Netanyahu does not want Iran to be a functioning country in any capacity.
Netanyahu does not care about democracy and the rule of law in his own country - so why should he be expected to care about those things for Iran?
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DiscipleOfYeshua2 days ago
+17
Meh. Israelis love Iranians. They just want an Iran that cannot shoot nuclear weapons, does not want nuclear weapons, or both.
Preferably, also an Iran that doesnt fund, train, arm and send proxies 24/7/365.
The intelligence that claimed Iran can hit Israel thoroughly with ballistic missiles has been proven accurate. It's widely known and announced by ayatollah & co that these very missiles are designed to carry the nuclear warheads Iran nearly cooked up.
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Sweet_Concept22112 days ago
-7
Love is not love that carpet bombs what it finds.
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captain_decaption1 day ago
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what on earth do you think carpet bombing is?
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Sweet_Concept22111 day ago
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[Dropping a record number of bombs on a country in the shortest amount of time.](https://airwars.org/record-pace-of-strikes-in-iran-bombing-campaign-analysis/)
The first days of bombing in Iran saw far more sites targeted than any recent U.S. or Israeli military campaign, an Airwars analysis has found.
By comparing publicly released targeting figures from both the U.S. and Israeli militaries with historic data, the analysis found the initial days of the campaign hit significantly more targets per day than any campaign in recent decades.
Even in the opening days of Israel’s unprecedented bombardment on Gaza after October 7th, it appears that around half the number of targets were hit compared to the first days in Iran.
The closest paced campaign was the escalated wave of strikes on Lebanon in September 2024, where more than 1,600 Hezbollah targets were declared hit by Israel on the first day – but the rate dropped significantly after that.
While comparisons between conflicts are often imperfect as militaries release varying amounts and types of information, this Iran campaign appears to be vastly outpacing any other recent U.S. air war.
**In 100 hours the U.S. and Israel declared hitting more targets in Iran than in the first six months of the U.S.-led Coalition’s bombing campaign against the so-called Islamic State, the analysis found.**
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captain_decaption1 day ago
+2
You have failed to provide a definition of the thing. Carpet bombing is intended to have a bomb explode everywhere in an area, covering the area, like a carpet. By number of *bombs* rather than number of bombing missions, the US campaign against Iran has been quite light, and *certainly* not indiscriminate.
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captain_decaption1 day ago
+3
well, this user has blocked me, in order to have the last word. PERHAPS THIS BLOCK FEATURE IS A STUPID IDEA.
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Sweet_Concept22111 day ago
-1
Good job downplaying war crimes, Captain Pedantic.
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mschuster912 days ago
+15
>Netanyahu does not want Iran to be a functioning country in any capacity.
Given that Iran has sponsored terrorism against Israel for almost half a century... yeah, understandable. Need I remind you how my country Germany was treated post-WW1 and almost ("Morgenthau plan") after WW2?
Israel is rightfully sick and tired of Iran stirring shit allllllll the time, just as the world was sick and tired of us Germans causing wars every other decade. Either there's some sort of democracy, the return of the Shah (although Pahlavi seems to have fallen in disgrace with the US?) or anarchy - either of these outcomes is acceptable for Israel.
More important though is: it's not just Israel who wants that outcome. *Everyone else* in the region is fed up as well! Even Turkey's Erdogan, who just loves to present himself as an ally to Gazans, doesn't stand up against Iran. The MENA/Gulf Coast countries want stability and peace, they all learned over the decades that it's better for business to have at least an acceptance of Israel being there.
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ShoulderPast24332 days ago
+9
Why not? Flipping Iran over to the west would greatly increase stability in the region.
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Sweet_Concept22112 days ago
-12
Fantasize much?
Iran's not EVER flipping to the West.
Israel, Saudi Arabia, UAE, Qatar, Kuwait, etc do not want Iran to become even more regionally competitive than they already are.
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hurdurnotavailable2 days ago
+9
Everyone in the middle east would prefer a more powerful and competitive Iran as long as they're not ruled by lunatics. Especially Israel.
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Leschnitzky2 days ago
+2
I'm israeli and I think that israeli is currently ruled by lunatics.
Both countries are due to a regime change decades ago
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hurdurnotavailable2 days ago
-2
That'S a massive false equivalence. Your "lunatic" doesn't massacre tens of thousands for protesting.
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ShoulderPast24332 days ago
+2
You right. Not for protesting.
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Leschnitzky2 days ago
-4
And Iran doesn't? It massacres it's own people, let alone Israel
Don't think you're right there
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hurdurnotavailable2 days ago
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Huh? I meant that Netanyahu doesnt massacre tens of thousands for protesting. The iranian regime did in january.
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Leschnitzky2 days ago
+2
While I don't believe that they target civilians, I do think with the help of Hamas their bombs do harm alot of civilians as well, and even if it's a price of war, I do believe an inspection is in order. The same army that brought us the 7th of October should also be tried for the war it conducted.
But only after the war is done
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ShoulderPast24332 days ago
Fantasize what?
I was responding to someone's statement that Izrael doesn't want regime change in Iran.
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DDoubleDDog2 days ago
+2
False. Netanyahu wants Iran to be a functioning ally, like it was before 1979.
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Sweet_Concept22112 days ago
+6
Bull. F******. Shit.
Nothing Netanyahu has done indicates what you say is true.
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DDoubleDDog2 days ago
+11
Nothing you said indicates you know anything about the subject.
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HardlyW0rkingHard1 day ago
-1
Lol my guy. They literally call Netanyahu bibi Joon (dear BiBi) in Iran. He's way more popular in Iran than he is in Israel. this guy literally makes videos directed at Iranians and gets crazy views on them.
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babybirdingURgrandma1 day ago
He wants all of his neighbors to descend into civil war while Israel gobbles up pieces. Remember how he pined for "balkanization" of Syria? He wanted bite-sized chunks
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TheColourOfHeartache2 days ago
+15
There's an election this year.
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Sweet_Concept22112 days ago
+3
Unlikely.
The majority of Israelis are f****** sick of "their" Trump. And they are not praying for an even worse authoritarian.
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beonk1 day ago
+3
How about we start talking about Israel regime change?
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itsref2 days ago
+2
We actually need a regime change in Israel and the United States.
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DDoubleDDog2 days ago
-2
Regime change in Iran will lead to a much more peaceful era in the region, since the Islamic Republic is by far the biggest generator of war, chaos, tyranny and instability in the region. Regime change in Iran should be the main goal. The people of Iran deserve to be free. The people of Iran do not deserve to be oppressed by the criminal gang of illegitimate usurpers who took power by force in 1979.
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Bartimeo6662 days ago
-7
>since the Islamic Republic is by far the biggest generator of war, chaos, tyranny and instability in the region.
I think this particular gold medal goes for Israel.
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HardlyW0rkingHard1 day ago
+2
Insane thing to say
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DDoubleDDog2 days ago
-2
False. Israel only reacts in self defense.
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Bartimeo6662 days ago
+1
Of course. They are forced into killing thousands of children in Gaza and commiting ethnic cleansing in the West Bank and Lebanon.
/s
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DDoubleDDog2 days ago
-2
Israel is always attacked and is forced to react in self defense.
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Front_Promise_59912 days ago
-6
“Is it possible? Yes. Is it guaranteed? No,”
Shouldn't you think about that before the war? Well, Israeli reached most of their goals, so good for them.
As a European, I just need stable economy and low oil/gas prices. I don't care about Middle East for years.
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mschuster912 days ago
+18
>As a European, I just need stable economy and low oil/gas prices. I don't care about Middle East for years.
That's incredibly short-sighted. This attitude is what led us to getting blasted with refugees from Ukraine, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, Palestine and a bunch of other places just in the last two decades.
Either we care and use our power to prevent people from having to flee - or we have to live with the decisions others make for us.
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Front_Promise_59912 days ago
-3
Refugees from Ukraine are OK for the EU ( for now ).
To prevent what? If the US and Israel want to fight there? Why/how we should to prevent that?
Immigration policies are changing, so I see no problem about that region ( except the oil prices ).
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mschuster912 days ago
+8
>Refugees from Ukraine are OK for the EU ( for now ).
Patience of some governments - especially Germany - is running thin, even with Ukrainians. Money is drying up and so is the support from populations. I do not like it at all because the Ukrainians are the ones dying in masses to defend our asses against Russia, but unfortunately, Russian propaganda (plus the consequences of austerity bullshit) has done quite the number on our populations.
>To prevent what? If the US and Israel want to fight there? Why/how we should to prevent that?
Let's see...
* all the way back in the Arab Spring movements, we did jack shit to support the populations in uprise against their kleptocrats - who often enough still hide their wealth in Swiss bank accounts or send their children to school in Switzerland or in Austria's Vienna. We could have offered logistical support, diplomatic support, money, arms, propaganda, whatever. Instead we stood by idle as most uprisings were crushed by the dictators, and we let down the democracies that formed (Tunisia and Egypt).
* We didn't do shit after Russia's "little green men" invaded Donbas and Crimea, we didn't even do much after the Russians shot down a civilian airplane (MH 17). We didn't even stop building Nord Stream.
* We didn't do shit to support Lebanon's democracy, despite the situation turning into an untenable gridlock, culminating in the giant explosion of Beirut.
* instead of finishing the job after Ghaddafi was gone, we just let Libya fall to pieces
* 'member "Kony 2012"? This mofo is still running free.
* We didn't do shit despite Assad throwing gas bombs on his population, a war crime, instead our (and America's) inaction allowed Russia to swoop in with their no-fly zone instead of ours that ended up protecting Assad until he was driven out after many years by Islamists that now regularly massacre their Druze and other non-Muslim minorities
* We didn't do shit when Erdogan began to massacre the same Kurds that picked up our slack in dealing with ISIS, and we didn't do shit when al-Jolani finished the job and hunted the Kurds down
* We didn't do shit when Hamas and Fatah stayed in office *far* after their 2006 election's terms expired, leading to both devolving into kleptocracies that by now have zero trust among the populations
* We didn't do shit about Hamas diverting our construction aid deliveries to construct Gaza Metro and our food aid to resale to fund their terrorism, which ended up causing Oct 7th
* We didn't do shit about Israeli settlers slaughtering Palestinians in West Bank or about Netanyahu turning into a baby dictator
* We didn't do shit about all the MENA countries happily doing deals with terrorists, hosting their "exile governments" and managing their money
* We didn't do shit when Russian PMCs took over half of Africa
* We didn't do shit when China overfished Africa's coast to the point of it causing African fishers to flee to Europe as they couldn't survive any more
* We didn't do shit when the Houthis in Yemen threatened ships with arms and piracy
There is a lot of things, a lot of them eventually leading back to Iran and Russia, where we preferred to sitting on the sidelines and hoping that conflicts would just go away. On top of that, we drastically cut back our development aid funds.
And it cost us dearly. We barely have any soft power left in Africa, instead of them following *our* lead on international issues (Covid, UA invasion, climate change), they now do China's and Russia's bidding. Terrorism is a massive threat in Europe even to this day. The US is bi-partisanly removing themselves from NATO and a lot of other international organisations, Biden was the last true transatlanticists on the Democrat side and the Republicans have gone full-on isolationist after the MAGA takeover.
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Front_Promise_59912 days ago
-3
Israel and The US want to place friendly governments there, so they can fight and invest there as much as they want.
I am really OK that EU dropping some money to Ukraine to fight against the russia.
I hope we will invest more to green energy and nuclear power and find ways for other energy sources ( diversified ).
EU should support themselves, but not other regions.
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mschuster912 days ago
+5
>EU should support themselves, but not other regions.
The problem is, that is incredibly short-sighted. We have interests of our own - think, a decent climate change prevention and management protocol, nuclear non-proliferation or resources we simply do not have any more (lithium, coal, iron ore, rare-earth metals, ...). But we cannot get this passed on the global stage unless we have widespread support, and we cannot get that support if we do not support other regions in turn.
And we cannot expect other markets to be willing to prefer *our* goods over, say, Chinese ones when we don't provide anything in return either.
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Front_Promise_59912 days ago
+1
EU is busy for rebuilding their military. Russia from the east, the US threatened to take over Greenland, tried to influence elections and cut off intelligence data like did with the Ukraine.
So no, now is bad time for other regions. But for the trade agreements and diversification it's the perfect time.
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mschuster912 days ago
+1
>So no, now is bad time for other regions.
We have to think 5 years ahead. As you mentioned, we have to deal with hostile Russia right now and potentially a hostile US. We need all the allies we can get.
>But for the trade agreements and diversification it's the perfect time.
Trade agreements aren't a panacea. Usually, only large megacorporations on both sides of a trade agreement benefit from these and it takes well over a decade until enough trickles down to the masses to be noticeable.
And same for diversification. The only ones profiting from these are large mining conglomerates.
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Front_Promise_59912 days ago
+1
We can't save all the world.
If the US or any country doing mess, let them deal with it or sink in it
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DDoubleDDog2 days ago
+2
So you just care about your wallet. You don't care about the tens of thousands of innocent people the Islamic Republic massacred, tortured or raped. Don't ever lecture anyone about human rights ever again, European.
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Front_Promise_59912 days ago
+1
I am taking example from the US and Israel - I only care about my nation and Europe.
Europe didn't start any wars. So please stop with this nonsense. And we still have democracy and will have.
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BackgroundPass13552 days ago
+3
> Europe didn't start any wars.
🤡🤡🤡
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DDoubleDDog1 day ago
+1
Thank you for confirming you don't care about the tens of thousands of innocent people the Islamic Republic massacred, tortured or raped.
Oh, and by the way, Europe started WW1 and WW2, the two biggest and most destructive wars in history. It seems your country needs to improve its schools, because it sounds like you failed history class.
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captain_decaption1 day ago
+1
30% of the worlds oil comes from the gulf. It sounds lke you care about it a lot.
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