The condition to the ceasefire on Lebanon is a disarmament of Hezbollah. They’re not going to agree to that, and the strikes will likely continue.
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Inevitable-Corgi-4371 day ago
+76
Who is " They're" in this situation? The Lebanese gov't wants to disarm Hezbollah but it doesn't have the resources to do so. Their military doesn't want to fight them.
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Foreign_Cable_95301 day ago
+75
Hezbollah. Hezbollah is a party in Lebanon with actual seats in their government, as well as a theocratic militia. They will not agree to disarm.
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Inevitable-Corgi-4371 day ago
+50
Yeah..They won't agree to disarm. Which is why the state needs to step in and disarm them. You can't have a state within a state. They can become a political party if they want.
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Strong-Broccoli-80331 day ago
+35
You cant have a state within a state attacking its neighbor and not expect the neighbor to have restraint. I hope for Lebanon the state can finally punt Iran from their twenty
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Longy_LTB1 day ago
+3
There's restraint and there's dropping 1000lb bombs in an urban centre and calling it a surgical strike
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Foreign_Cable_95301 day ago
+5
Maybe the United States or Europe could do that. But Iran will prevent that, and the leaders of Lebanon are cautious to put themselves into another civil war. They don’t want to become another Sudan because they know no one will come to help them unless they sell off their assets.
The United States government already funds and trains the Lebanese army. And they’re already getting worldwide hate for combating Iran, so there’s a very low likelihood that they 1.) could step in to help Lebanon without destabilizing the nation and causing mass death or 2.) would step in to help them around a midterm or election cycle, especially when they’re already engaging Iran.
It’s a very complex and unstable situation.
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cobrachicken261 day ago
+3
They ARE a political party, though they'll never be allowed to get full power (even if hypothetically most of Lebanon supported them) because their constitution mandates that the President be a Maronite Christian and the Prime Minister be a Sunni Muslim. On one side I can see how this seems unfair for them and the Shi'as but I also see the point of the clause so that no one singular group (like Hezbollah) doesn't attain absolute power. Shitty for the Shia's tho, they don't have as much representation in government as the Maronites and Sunnis do, specially the Christians since they get 50% of seats in parliament despite only making ~30% of the population.
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Heydickhead1 day ago
+1
Religion should be left out of politics. Such a strange way to run a country.
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kittenman1 day ago
-2
so are you being serious? your solution for the ceasefire is a civil war? lol kay
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Few-Being-10481 day ago
That sounds really bad lol. They should get rid of those guys.
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Sweet_Class19851 day ago
+4
OK, so the international community can get together and send Lebanon the money and resources to let them do it themselves?
Because what else can you do?
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[deleted]1 day ago
+1
They changed it to "war objectives".
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Cobrastrikenana1 day ago
-23
Should be the disarmament of Israel.
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yosisoy1 day ago
+16
Good luck with that buddy
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Inevitable-Corgi-4371 day ago
+15
Why? so Hezbollah can continue firing rockets at northern Israel which has displaced over 100,000 in Israel?
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Cobrastrikenana1 day ago
-20
How many in Palestine and Lebanon over the last 70 years?
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Strong-Broccoli-80331 day ago
+4
Israel has not started a single war. They surely end them though
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DrogoOmega1 day ago
-8
Started this one in Iran. Killing kids is all fair though am I right?!
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Cobrastrikenana1 day ago
-1
They use this lie all the time. But they skip the fact that they struck first in each of those conflicts.
Just like with Iran they say “we struck first to defend ourselves.”
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Cobrastrikenana1 day ago
-6
“Preemptive” is a lie. I’m pretty sure they were the first to strike in all of their wars.
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Blazin_Rathalos1 day ago
+7
So... You want the massacre of every single person living in Israel? Because you're aware that's what the people who would still be holding weapons want?
They're all as bad or worse than Israel, they're just less well equipped.
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Letterkenny-Wayne1 day ago
-7
Kinda sounds like maybe another country entirely oughta just take control of everyone in the region…Canada.
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Blazin_Rathalos1 day ago
+2
Honestly, it's either that, or disarming *everyone*, or replacing leadership on all sides with people that will not *use* the weapons they have.
So yeah, good luck. (and you still need an outside power to actually make that happen).
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Letterkenny-Wayne1 day ago
+1
I think it’s time for the Maple Leaf to start slinging Maple Lead. Timmy Hortons for all, f*** the French, Celine Dion’s “My Heart Will Go On” for world anthem. **Canadian Goose noise**
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Divinialion1 day ago
+50
To all of you saying Israel to be disarmed and stop attacking.. can we look at what happens every time Israel steps away from the very areas UN is supposed to "peacekeep"?
Oh Hezbollah rearms and rebuilds? Gee who would have thought.
If no one is willing to do the job that needs doing in Lebanon, then why should Israel be the one to stop doing something about it?
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NeverSober19001 day ago
+26
Ya the UN "peacekeepers" in Lebanon are the actual problem. Terms were agreed upon and they are flat out not being enforced and people get mad when one side decides enough is enough. People only want the peace to be enforced from one side apparently.
It's bizarre.
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Capable-Schedule17531 day ago
-31
Hezbollah exists because of Israel.
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RoyU161 day ago
+43
Hezbollah is the sole reason Israel is bombing Lebanon
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Capable-Schedule17531 day ago
-16
I guess those schoolchildren were secretly Hezbollah.
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yosisoy1 day ago
+37
I guess the school children Hezbollah killed in a football game were secretly IDF
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Nerupe1 day ago
-9
Yes, it's a circular problem that cannot be solved without aggressive third party intervention.
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Disabrained1 day ago
-17
I don't want Israel to be disarmed but it's separate to stop attacking.
A powerful country like this has much more ways to defend itself than bombing civilians and rolling tanks abroad.
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Divinialion1 day ago
+5
All of these can be true. Every civilian death is too many. Israel should stop attacking, and Hezbollah needs to be eradicated.
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presidentbaltar1 day ago
+45
Did Europe "abhor" the decades of rocket fire coming from Lebanon to target Israeli citizens? Maybe if they had been more concerned with that, we wouldn't be in this situation.
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GSNadav1 day ago
+29
neither they or most commentators are looking for actual solution, nor are they interested in one
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Best_Change41551 day ago
+35
The commentators seem to think if Israel didn't exist, there would be peace in the Middle East. Ignoring the millions of deaths in conflicts that didn't involve Israel at all, of course. Sudanese Civil War, Yemeni Civil War, Syrian Civil War, Lebanese Civil War, etc.
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Capable-Schedule17531 day ago
-29
But there would clearly be less conflict, no?
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slim-picking1 day ago
+10
Right? If we all just got together and got rid of Ukraine there'd be peace in Europe!
On a more serious note, if we work toward eliminating the atmosphere we won't have to be worried about climate change.
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frosthowler1 day ago
+11
What in the world makes you think that?
Why would Palestine be any more peaceful than its neighbors?
Arguably the only reason there's peace in Jordan, Egypt, and Israel is Israel's existence. If it didn't exist, the Jordanian dictatorship would have fallen long ago as it is propped by the US, and nothing would stop Egypt from being at war with Palestine.
Just as Syria saw Lebanon as part of it and tried to conquer it, both Jordan and Egypt originally considered big parts of Israel to be land that should be theirs, and only gave up on it when Israel won 1948.
See the original Arab plan for what would happen if the Arab armies won in 1948.
Hint: There wouldn't have been a Palestine. Mostly Syria, Egypt, and Jordan fighting over it. Jordan saw Jerusalem as theirs and had annexed the West Bank anyway despite losing 1948, Egypt wanted the Negev, Syria wanted the Golan (along with Lebanon, which they failed to conquer due to the civil war which involved Palestinians and Israel).
If Israel didn't exist, there's a very good chance neither would Lebanon, and almost certainly: neither would Palestine.
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Capable-Schedule17531 day ago
-10
I wonder what triggered that… certainly not an Israeli invasion of Lebanon right?
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presidentbaltar1 day ago
+13
It you want to play the cause and effect game, you can go all the way back to Lebanon invading Israel in 1948. The hard facts are that every neighboring county that stopped trying to attack Israel had stopped being attacked by Israel.
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Capable-Schedule17531 day ago
+4
It’s funny you choose to stop right before the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians to create a Jewish state of Israel…
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presidentbaltar1 day ago
+14
The 1948 invasion actually happened before the so called "Nakba".
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Capable-Schedule17531 day ago
+13
So called? Do you think it didn’t happen?
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presidentbaltar1 day ago
+10
There was certainly population displacement on both sides as the result of the Arab invasion. I would dispute that it can be considered ethnic cleansing.
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Capable-Schedule17531 day ago
+15
You believe the expulsion of 600,000 Palestinians isn’t ethnic cleansing?
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frosthowler1 day ago
-2
Yeah, for example the Turks whitewash their own by calling what they did to the indigenous Greeks ""population exchange.""
The guys you're arguing with are all hypocrites.
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KardalSpindal1 day ago
+2
[You are wrong.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nakba#The_1948_Nakba)
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AdInfamous62901 day ago
+92
Israel needs to be denuclearized and the regime needs to be changed.
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Holiday_Smell89121 day ago
+33
Lol, classic listnook comment. No country with nukes, especially one who continuously has their existence threatened, would give up nukes barring a catastrophic war that would kill countless people. I swear some of you don’t live on this planet.
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AdInfamous62901 day ago
-12
Who said anything about giving them up? I’d fully expect that the US would have to invade and remove the nukes, and the government, by force. Israeli nukes can’t reach the continental US, and if it is solely a US operation what are they going to do, nuke the ocean?
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Holiday_Smell89121 day ago
+21
Is this some sort of wet dream of yours? You are not a serious person so you don’t deserve a serious response. The United States isn’t going to invade an important strategic ally and weaken them. I could go on with why what you said is so devoid of reality but there is really no point because you, like many others, don’t live in this reality. But just for fun I will educate you, Israel could absolutely strike North America in your ridiculous scenario. Israel has Dolphin-Class submarines which can carry and deploy nuclear weapons.
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AdInfamous62901 day ago
-5
Why has the US threatened to invade Canada and Denmark, then? The times are changing, allies don’t mean much to America and if the US is leaving the Middle East, Israel looses its strategic importance.
It is only my opinion I have not national political power. But I think it is our moral duty to do this one, last regime change war before we leave the region for good.
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Holiday_Smell89121 day ago
+10
Ok Tucker
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AdInfamous62901 day ago
Hey, the other option is to just let Iran have nukes so they can balance out Israel’s strategic dominance. Would be more realistic, easier and a whole lot cheaper to achieve. Could work out like Pakistan and India, or the US and USSR.
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Stepfordhusband691 day ago
+2
The other option is to flatten Iran and give them to disarm. Seems more likely
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AdInfamous62901 day ago
+2
I wish Israel luck with doing that on there own.
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BabaRoomFan1 day ago
+7
Are you on drugs?
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Holiday_Smell89121 day ago
IDS (Israel Derangement Syndrome)
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AdInfamous62901 day ago
+1
Naw I’m just sick of shoveling Israel’s shit.
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Holiday_Smell89121 day ago
+1
Lol the privilege. You aren’t doing anything except pounding on a key board. Israelis are the ones running in and out of bomb shelters, this war has zero impact on you precious 😘
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AdInfamous62901 day ago
+2
I do wonder what Israel plans to do when America no longer tolerates its entitled attitude. What will Israel do when they have no more friends in the world and are left surrounded by enemies?
I do not think it is Iranian civilization that will be ended.
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Stepfordhusband691 day ago
+1
What an unhinged comment
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No-Space9371 day ago
+85
Lol, regime change in democracies are called elections. Give it a few more months, with the aftermath of the Iran war I doubt Likud retains control.
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AdInfamous62901 day ago
-35
Israel is about as much of a democracy as apartheid South Africa was. Come to think of it, apartheid South Africa also had illegal nukes.
Aftermath? It’s still going on, and Netanyahu actively wants it to continue. He is the longest serving prime minister in Israeli history at nearly 20 years, interrupted I grant you. But it’s clear that he has been using emergency war powers to dodge the corruption charges that have been hanging over him and stay in power, and he is absolutely incentivized to keep doing so. The leadership literally needs war to stay in power, so why would they stop?
I’m sick of waiting for the election that will “fix” Israel. They are a warmongering, oppressive state and the entire governmental apparatus needs to ripped out, destroyed, and replaced with a secular democracy with equal power sharing between the Israelis and Palestinians.
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Holiday_Smell89121 day ago
+25
Lol an Arab Israeli supreme court judge sent a PM to jail, but whatever you say buddy. Quick respond with ur list of buzz words
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Extreme_Garlic46461 day ago
+30
If he was elected to prime minister it is a democracy. A democracy isn’t only vote for who you want, in a country you don’t live in.
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AdInfamous62901 day ago
-27
Why does it matter if they are a democracy? The entire government still needs to be replaced for their to be peace and justice.
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Extreme_Garlic46461 day ago
+33
Then why say it’s not a democracy? You make a false statement then get called out. Your response is it doesn’t matter.
It matter enough for you to lie.
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AdInfamous62901 day ago
-3
I said they are about as much of a democracy as apartheid South Africa was. That country had elections and allowed *some* of its people to vote democratically, just like Israel.
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rtea7771 day ago
+21
Care to elaborate on which Israeli citizens aren't allowed to vote (I'll save you some time - 20% of Israelis are Israeli-Palestinians…and sure enough, they can vote just like anyone else)? Or are you too busy throwing big words around without understanding their meaning?
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AdInfamous62901 day ago
+6
The Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank (5.6 million people) are not allowed to vote.
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Extreme_Garlic46461 day ago
+8
Just like Americans can’t vote in Mexicos or Canadas elections or Israelis don’t vote in Palestinian elections. Why would they be allowed to vote?
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rtea7771 day ago
+17
Interesting. There I was thinking that Palestinians in the West Bank are under the jurisdiction of the Palestinian Authority, and the Palestinians in Gaza are under the jurisdiction of Hamas (ever since the Palestinian Authority lost the elections in 2006 and was massacred and booted out by Hamas). And of course, neither of them are Israeli citizens.
Now here's the interesting part…
1. Either you knew that, and you're a bad actor - feigning ignorance, ignoring Palestinian self-determination, ignoring the Oslo accords, and only using Palestinians as a prop to be able to hurl insults towards Israel.
2. Or you didn't know any of that, and you're actually ignorant (which would make you a typical Listnookor who talks out of their ass without knowing squat).
I have my suspicion which one it is…
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DevilDjinn1 day ago
+4
No shit Sherlock I'm not allowed to vote in Israeli elections either considering I'm not f****** israeli
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No-Space9371 day ago
+11
What does that even mean. You want some coalition of the willing world police to go in and militarily remove the leadership of Iran, Hezbollah, Israel and Hamas and the Palestinian Authority to force peace and justice on the region?
That sounds like the current conflict just massively expanded. Or are you just blowing hot air with naive views on the geopolitics of the region.
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AdInfamous62901 day ago
+2
Huh? No, only the government of Israel needs to be replaced. And it is the US’ responsibility to do it, our last regime change war in the Middle East.
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No-Space9371 day ago
+6
I suspect that even you know how ridiculous that stance is when viewed through the lens of offensive military action taken by all sides of the conflict, throughout the modern history of the region and that Israel is far from the only bad actor in the region.
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AdInfamous62901 day ago
+2
Israel is far from the only bad guy, but they are the only bad guy with illegal nukes and whose intelligence services and influence networks are entrenched in my country, the US.
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Sarah_Incognito1 day ago
-15
I think technically a regime change for a democracy requires not being a democracy.
Different parties sharing power are just part of the same regime.
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Evening_Grass_80731 day ago
-35
As if that would absolve Israel of any blame for killing dozens of thousands of Arabs. You can’t democracy your way out of that.
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Strong-Broccoli-80331 day ago
+5
Then dont start a war if you dont want arabs to die bc their coward fighters hide behind their own people
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[deleted]1 day ago
+31
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squintytoast1 day ago
-16
>Everybody wins.
tell that to the ~70k palestinian dead.
tell that to the 50 odd villages in Lebanon that have been razed.
nobody f****** "wins".
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[deleted]1 day ago
+6
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squintytoast1 day ago
-9
death and destruction is not a f****** football match, how is that hard to grasp?
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[deleted]1 day ago
+4
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squintytoast1 day ago
-7
huh. TIL that needless death and wanton destruction is "keeping score".
as you yourself have typed "the only solution is political".
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BuildAnything41 day ago
-22
They already tried that many times. Israel keeps breaking ceasefires.
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EmperorChaos1 day ago
+17
Hezbollah has never once tried to drop their arms for peace. Hezbollah started the last 3 wars between Israel and Lebanon (2006, 2023, 2026).
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Shinobismaster1 day ago
+21
I mean Hezbollah broke the most recent ceasefire
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frosthowler1 day ago
+9
wat
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RazzleLikesCandy1 day ago
+5
Okay adolf
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Ultra_Metal1 day ago
-2
No it doesn't. Israel needs nukes to survive. The government is a democracy, not a regime. Leaders in Israel can be voted out.
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yosisoy1 day ago
+2
What regime do you propose?
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Letterkenny-Wayne1 day ago
+1
Dr. Phil, Mike Tyson, Peter Griffin.
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denNISI1 day ago
-7
Israel in conflict? The people are taking back control of their countries from powers that be?
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taisui1 day ago
+2
Don't trust this f***
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StemCellPirate1 day ago
-5
Europe was smart to stay away from Trumps and Netanyahus attempt to initiate larger regional conflict!
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[deleted]1 day ago
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arajajaja1 day ago
+1
can you explain
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Capable-Schedule17531 day ago
No one believes this anymore, right?
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BenTramer1 day ago
+2
What a f****** psycho
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evildrtran1 day ago
+1
This f****** guy
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Fluffy-Republic86101 day ago
-13
Israel isn't going to enjoy the new world it helped usher in.
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HoustonHous1 day ago
-11
Are you advocating for the elimination of a whole country? Are you insane or just like posturing for fake internet points?
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KardalSpindal1 day ago
+16
They didn't say anything like that. Weird that your mind just goes to that.
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taacademico1 day ago
-7
AI bots tend to make these kinds of mistakes. You're not talking to a real person.
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HoustonHous1 day ago
+1
Between the 2 of usnim the only one with comments unhidden. What are you talking about
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HoustonHous1 day ago
-4
Maybe I read it wrong... at least I hope so.
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KardalSpindal1 day ago
+3
Seems like you think the new world Israel has ushered in is one where "elimination of a whole country" is a thing. If you have such a low opinion of Israel, why are you rushing to their defense?
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HoustonHous1 day ago
+10
Now you are putting words in my mouth.
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KardalSpindal1 day ago
+7
Funny accusation, given you literally put words in Fluffy-Republics mouth.
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HoustonHous1 day ago
+7
So I already acknowledged that I might have read it wrong. And your reply, is to do that to me? Are we just arguing for the sake of arguing at this point?
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KardalSpindal1 day ago
+6
What I'm saying vs what you are saying are entirely different. I made a pretty direct inference from your questions, which you still haven't addressed. You reading the initial statement as "advocating for the elimination of a whole country" is coming out of nowhere.
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HoustonHous1 day ago
+6
Ok. This is circular at this point. Ill let you get the last word in, because it seem tonbe important to you. I wish you nothing but happiness in your life.
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Letterkenny-Wayne1 day ago
+11
You’re reaching
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HoustonHous1 day ago
-14
I hope so. I hope it's not as sinister as I took it.
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Capable-Schedule17531 day ago
-5
Lots of people advocate the non existence of states without being crazy. I don’t think North Korea should exist, for example.
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HoustonHous1 day ago
+9
Imagine someone saying the same about Palestine or Iran, or Germany post WWII... it's one thing to advocate for gornement removal and holding them accountable for past action... but talking about eliminating a country with 10MM people (20% being Muslim), is insanity. I hope you guys are doing it for internet points, because the alternative is alarming.
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Capable-Schedule17531 day ago
+5
North Korea has 26.6 million people. Funny you bring up Germany post WWII because dissolution of the country was heavily discussed and considered.
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HoustonHous1 day ago
+6
If it's not clear I think that your opinion is insane too.
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Capable-Schedule17531 day ago
+6
Can you defend your position?
I think holding a position you can’t logically defend is the insane thing.
People have the right to exist. States are not people.
Let’s make it easier. Does ISIS have the right to exist? They claim to be a state. Do you support ISIS not existing? I do.
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Letterkenny-Wayne1 day ago
-4
This whole thing of “let’s bomb the shit out of a lesser country” and then just sue for peace thing is so tiring
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BigDaddyVagabond1 day ago
+1
"Local terrorist says he may stop shooting at people long enough to deliver his terms to continue not shooting at people"
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Ultra_Metal1 day ago
-5
European leaders don't care if terrorists murder Jews. Europe is telling us what its new values are: terrorism, tyranny and religious extremism. They have abandoned freedom, democracy and the enlightenment.
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Immediate-Charge-4501 day ago
-3
Israel truly needs to f*** off now. It’s about time. They have caused enough destruction and devastation.
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goasttbuster1 day ago
-8
War crimes are to be prosecuted. For the whole command chain.
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theweekendwolf1 day ago
-1
Isn’t he dead?
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cyclingkingsley1 day ago
-14
I bet US called Israel and gave them a good pep talk
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Tabbyredcat1 day ago
-5
100%. The US wants to sell itself as the victor in this war, and hindering the ceasefire gets in the way of that goal.
Only the US could make Israel "signal peace talks with Lebanon".
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Lonely_Ad17161 day ago
Who THE F*** are these people.
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denNISI1 day ago
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Bibi is either hiding or his family mourned his fake death? All AI images?
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