Netflix spent ‘a fortune’ editing out earphones from Beef season 2 after Oscar Isaac and Carey Mulligan decided to listen to music while performing their various scenes together.
Well, after reading the article it sounds just as mad as the headline. I think that director just got walked all over. Maybe during some kind of rehearsal but when filming for real?
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Sir_Myshkin2 days ago
+3912
Article implies the director encouraged it, it started from a scripted scene, tried in a few more and they just snowballed. Purely on the director for feeding what was essentially method-acting their emotions through private audio tracks.
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Ghost2Eleven2 days ago
+2453
Netflix would have approved the spend. This is PR to get people talking about the show. The headline is manufactured drama and it’s working based on this comment section.
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Kanwarsation1 day ago
+317
Are you a media PR professional? Because the number of lay people who don't understand (what you so nicely explained) always surprises me.
I keep thinking audiences will soon get blasé about stories like this, but the magic cow of concocted conflicts continues to be milked successfully for cheesy comms campaigns.
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leaky_eddie1 day ago
+105
Way to keep the dairy metaphor tight!
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Few-Weather68451 day ago
+32
No whey, all cream.
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rampaging_gorillaz1 day ago
+4
Tight! Tight! Tight!
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MooseTots1 day ago
+18
Never heard of this show, now I have. +1 for marketing.
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Nobodyinpartic32 days ago
+139
Yup, just like how Sergio Leone had the music ready for the actors on set and allow them to act along side the music. To his credit, a lot of films are classics.
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mcnutty962 days ago
+75
A lot of Italian films made in the 40-70s had dialogue recorded in post as the cameras were noisy, Cinecitta is near an airport and then It lead to becoming a production quirk/director style
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merelyadoptedthedark1 day ago
+19
Pretty much every Hollywood movie you've ever watched has most of the dialogue recorded in post. It's called ADR, and it's just done a lot better usually.
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TeddyAlderson1 day ago
+8
I don't know about "most" -- we're definitely _not_ making films the old Italian way. ADR is less about re-recording dialogue and more about the script constantly being rewritten during the edit
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hardsoftware2 days ago
+67
Italian movies didn't record dialog, that's why they all have that god awful dubbing.
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solo_d0lo1 day ago
+15
He had the actors speak in their native language. To make it all sound similar they would dub it afterwards.
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luigi-mario-jr2 days ago
+14
I am glad you mentioned this. His movies are such a good example of having the music be the driver of the rest of the process.
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bjankles2 days ago
+902
Gotta say their performances were fantastic too so hard to question it.
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AngryGardenGnomes2 days ago
+138
Actors have been performing for more than a hundred years without getting up to nonsense like this. So it's not hard to question.
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rusmo2 days ago
+88
Couldn’t get the earbuds off those fuckers from the 1800s, though.
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reddituserno92 days ago
+29
*Sophocles has entered the chat* “A hundred years?”
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Amish_guy_with_WiFi2 days ago
+14
Acting is an evolving art. Actors been doing weird expensive shit for forever.
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Vladmerius2 days ago
+248
And it's only going to get easier and easier to edit this kind of stuff out in post as time goes on. I really don't see the issue.
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Big-Soup70132 days ago
+351
It’s still a giant and expensive pain to deal with, I know post on this season took a long time and this explains a bit of that.
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Status_Confidence_262 days ago
+101
One man's pain is another man's money for their family.
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slicerprime2 days ago
+76
Imagine if your job description was, *"Fix dumb shit actors do"*.
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crazy_gambit2 days ago
+78
Isn't this a lot of people's job description? (Minus the actors part of course). Like right now, I'm literally working on fixing dumb shit people who really should know better did.
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AndNowAStoryAboutMe2 days ago
+19
Sadly, my job boils down to "Get dumb people to do things in a smarter way in such a subtle manner they don't know you're changing them"
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TheRecordDrop2 days ago
+53
As a dialogue editor I shudder to think of the work it took! This is my nightmare!
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andygchicago2 days ago
+23
I think the issue was that it cost a fortune
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Underwater_Karma2 days ago
+16
The issue is it cost "a fortune"
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Alikona_052 days ago
+44
Where do you think Netflix recoups this wasted time/money?
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revpidgeon2 days ago
+239
Reminds me of that bond film where Daniel Craig decided to wear nice gloves in a scene with a fingerprint activated gun and they had to CGI them out.
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confusing_roundabout2 days ago
+190
CGI them out by painting them skin coloured so he has really fat hands in the scene.
Actually hilarious that something like that can happen on a 200m dollar movie.
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danny_healy_raygun1 day ago
+12
Does it even have to happen? Can't they just edit it in a way that they don't need the CGI? Feels like directors are just being too rigid with these things sometimes and using CGI just because they can.
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confusing_roundabout1 day ago
+31
Daniel Craig found some gloves at a shop that he liked and he asked the director if he could wear them and the director thought "sure why not?".
They shot a big action scene with him wearing the gloves. Lots of shooting, James bond stuff, etc.
It was only when they were editing the movie did they realise that the gimmick with his gun was that it was fingerprint activated so only Bond could use it.
If it's fingerprint activated, how does he use the gun?
As it was a big action sequence they couldn't reshoot it and other elements of the plot relied on the fingerprint thing, so they had no choice but the CGI them.
I just find it crazy how an off-the-cuff choice on the day and a plot detail that the actor and director both missed led to tons of extra work.
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SirJolt1 day ago
+5
I always suspected they shot some of the action early on and the script was still in development. The fingerprint gun could have been written in late
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IntoTheMusic2 days ago
+52
The gloves can still be seen in the first promotional picture they released for the movie.
https://www.jamesbondlifestyle.com/sites/default/files/styles/fancybox_popup/public/images/product/cl055-dents-leather-gloves-skyfall-shanghai.jpg
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sourcefourmini1 day ago
+24
At least that one was a genuine mistake. Kinda wild though that 30 years ago, they would've had no choice but to release it anyway, and then it would end up alongside PotC cowboy hat guy on listicles about movie goofs. Now they can literally just fix it in post.
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tinygloves_inc2 days ago
+49
Yeah, this feels like something you experiment with in rehearsal, not lock into production. Wild that no one just said “cool, but lose the AirPods.”
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Nerf_Me_Please2 days ago
+569
By reading the headline I thought they were listening to music because they didn't care, but actually they claim it helped them to act with more intensity, which sounds like a valid enough reason to me.
Maybe they just could have found a cheaper solution.
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JIMMYJAWN2 days ago
+2066
They could have tried acting without headphones like people have been doing for thousands of years.
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SupervillainMustache2 days ago
+853
_"My dear boy, why don't you just try acting?"_ - Laurence Olivier.
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zoobs2 days ago
+138
“Sir Ian, Sir Ian, Sir Ian, action, wizard "You shall not pass!", cut. Sir Ian, Sir Ian, Sir Ian.”
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mr_yoghurt2 days ago
+26
You’re aware that I’m not actually a wizard?
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FlyYouFoolyCooly2 days ago
+15
And there will be no script on the day.
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ChevToTheLev2 days ago
+82
There’s a lot of really good podcasts out there and it can be hard to keep up. I get it
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nobot43212 days ago
+18
You just have to listen to them at 3x speed.
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armand112 days ago
+225
Yea if that’s their reasoning that’s bullshit and unprofessional. Do your job.
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Efficient-Goose21552 days ago
+170
Lots of actors & actress have used music to get them in the right mood for a scene. But they are professional enough not to do it during the scene. To me that is poor acting skills if they can't stay present in the scene.
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Werthead2 days ago
+126
Tatiana Maslany used different soundtracks to help her switch character mid-scene on **Orphan Black** (where she plays a dozen or so clones). She had a playlist for each character and by listening to each playlist for a few minutes, she'd find it much easier to switch character. That worked exceptionally well for her.
However, she wasn't listening to music *whilst* acting, that would have been weird.
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exgiexpcv1 day ago
+12
She was ***incredible*** as well. Just marvelous.
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IshOfTheSea2 days ago
+58
I agree completely, but it’s especially baffling as they’re both provably excellent actors. Struggling to wrap my head around why the director didn’t shut this down straight away. Equally flummoxed as to why the actors thought it was appropriate, as neither of them have seemed to be that type of person previously.
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cruelhumor2 days ago
+22
Seems more likely that the director suggested it or something tbh
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KnowledgeIsDangerous2 days ago
+77
The actors can try anything and everything in pursuit of their craft. It's up to the director and producers to run the cost/benefit and then, you know, direct the actors to take off the damn headphones.
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iwishihadnobones2 days ago
+8
Impossible!
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bethemanwithaplan2 days ago
+34
Yeah like small earbuds? Way easier to conceal
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ThisWhomps9992 days ago
+34
gaming headphones that go over the ear and has a microphone.
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Stormtemplar2 days ago
+116
To quote Laurence Olivier when confronted with method acting bullshit (which, to be clear, is less stupid than this): My dear boy, why don't you just try acting?
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Taraxian2 days ago
+97
Tbf this is because Olivier knew that "method acting" was just Dustin Hoffman's excuse for showing up to work a mess because he stayed up all night at coke parties
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chubby-rain2 days ago
+34
Specifically Dustin Hoffman staying up all night to appear strung out while filming Marathon Man.
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Thybro2 days ago
+32
Wtf, so not only do people gotta deal with the bullshit from Method actors, now they gotta deal with Metronome actors too?
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KryptonianJesus2 days ago
+9
What I don't understand is if the director was encouraging this, they couldn't get a prosthetic ear cover for each of them or something? There would be so much less CGI required thanks to probably a $10 piece of silicone
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Bionic_Bromando2 days ago
+1385
That’s hilarious, Fellini used to do this but since he wasn’t an idiot he would pipe the music over speakers so that the actors appeared to move with a certain kind of rhythm. It worked wonderfully, and would probably work again today considering how much dialogue is ADR’d it wouldn’t be much different from those 1960s days!
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Pentax252 days ago
+649
Similarly with Baby Driver. A lot of the actors had earpieces that would allow them to act in sync to music and make the in time movements within one-shots to feel more deliberate and concise
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PossumCock1 day ago
+356
Baby Driver is essentially an hour and a half long music video, and I ain't mad about it lol. If you haven't seen it, the movie was born from a music video Edgar Wright directed for the band Mint Royale, [Blue Song](https://youtu.be/dfrcZsKcVxU?si=co1lLh4sim_7Yiau)
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non-squitr1 day ago
+24
I like to imagine they went to the pitch meeting and played just 5 seconds of noel fielding dancing in a car and the execs were like "stop, stop, take our money" lol
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Niblonian311 day ago
+42
As soon as I saw Noel fielding and Julian Barrett, I knew it was gonna be good. So simple but great video and a good song too, thanks for that stranger!
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BeezyBates1 day ago
+47
That’s so f****** metal. That’s a directing detail that just chefs kiss. I get now why people loved the movie on a weird level. It was subconscious. I have to watch it again with this in mind. Thank you for that. Love finding details like this in the wild.
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ijustfarteditsmells1 day ago
+27
A lot if action is straight synced to the background music. Gunshots on the beat, etc. The whole movie is constructed round the soundtrack
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Detective-Crashmore-1 day ago
+32
lol it's kinda hard to miss if you've seen the movie. There's literally song lyrics written on the wall as he walks around, and the gunshots and car crashes happen on beat.
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Pentax251 day ago
+10
Yeah but even in the opening heist sequence you can see the actors closing their doors in time to the music as a more subtle way to indicate their synchronicity
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Slight-Coat171 day ago
+11
Hell, at the end of the opening, even the pillars are passing the camera on tempo to the song.
Amazing film.
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josephus_the_wise1 day ago
+5
The flashing police lights in the opening are also in time to the music
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SkyMagnet1 day ago
+5
I’m a music playback operator for film/TV, and the guy who got me into it was the playback operator for Baby Driver.
Lots of creative ways to get the music to the actors during that shoot.
The earpieces used are called “ear wigs” in the industry and they are tiny devices made by a company that specialized in hearing aids.
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SpaceJackRabbit2 days ago
+125
I mean Fellini movies – like most Italian movies – almost never recorded live sound and were post-synchronized.
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CherryDarling102 days ago
+41
Also, they didn’t have Beats by Dre in 1960.
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SpaceJackRabbit2 days ago
+19
I mean even today when they shoot a scene in a nightclub, they usually don't play music. It is added in post.
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luce41182 days ago
+33
Scenes where people are basically whispering in a night club is one of my biggest TV pet peeves
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CartographicalHeist1 day ago
+5
You may enjoy this:
https://youtu.be/ZobEiZCuCs8?is=-S0gU6hgPqz0OLNr
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CubitsTNE2 days ago
+6
Wow, just like madame web!
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3v0lutionary2 days ago
+861
Guys the article states they were earwigs not AirPods lol. They hide fairly well in your ear canal. I bet it was some close ups where if anything you’d see a tiny skin toned antenna sticking out of their ear.
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m0nk_3y_gw2 days ago
+56
> they were earwigs
I googled "earwigs"
and now I'm picturing them putting insects in their ears to sing to them... training them to sing in time and on key must have been where the budget went
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redditproha1 day ago
+11
yeah I shouldn't have googled that. they need to rename that thing
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Fuj_san92472 days ago
+174
So what’s with the costing a fortune part?
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JDDJS2 days ago
+425
Hyperbole. It was on a podcast promoting the show.
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3v0lutionary2 days ago
+52
Yeah probably more of a fun story and was something they eventually planned for? Idk man it’s just an inflammatory article you must know that.
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babayetuyetu2 days ago
+39
The article isn't even that inflammatory, it's just the reactions in here that are a bit unhinged
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Confused_Rock1 day ago
+5
Yea honestly it sounds like it was a really fun acting experience for them and integrating musicality in non-musical theatre can be an absolute blast for the actors. Clever promotion too because it makes you curious to see whether it elevates the performances or not
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likwitsnake2 days ago
+39
Post is just marketing, 2,839 points upvotes top rated post in the sub in one hour of going live not organic at all, there's only one post in the top 10 on the front page right now that has anywhere near as many upvotes in their entire duration (multiple hours)
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Mister_Uncredible2 days ago
+28
Same as when someone "slams" or "destroys" someone else when they say something mildly critical
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Presently_Absent2 days ago
+5
hyperbolic anecdote and the telephone game of the modern content mill
podcast - "haha funny anecdote, probably cost a fortune"
first round content mill - "film thing said to cost a fortune"
second round ai slop writing mill - "serious issue happened, film production company nearly bankrupted, director SLAMS actors for BONKERS habits that cost many literal fortunes "
listnook, reading only headlines - "wow that's nuts that director sucks and man actors are so crazy"
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HorrorDevotee2 days ago
+2342
Good god, what director allowed this?
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SailingBroat2 days ago
+1886
Directors indulge stupid behaviours by egotistical cast members all. the. f******. time and crew end up working 14 hour days (on set and in post) just to fix it. Directors are protected from the consequences of these indulgences and bad behaviour, and the crew absorbs the blow of gruelling extra hours, every single time.
Oh, you wanted to put your kid to bed a few times this year, Mr.VFX Worker? Nah, sorry, Carey Mulligan and Oscar Isaac had the cute lil idea of wearing earbuds and now you're sleeping under your desk painting those out. Soweeeee.
EDIT: I guarantee every single one of you who comment along the lines of "tHaT's wHaT tHeY'rE pAiD fOr" would tap out after one standard film industry work week, let alone the kind of grinding overtime and stress on a real shitshow set for months on end. You simply have no fuckin idea what you're talking about.
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On_Wings_Of_Pastrami2 days ago
+269
I did Visual effects for a Tyler Perry movie, and he was the lazy one. It was one of the Madea movies, and dude didn't want to shave every day, so we would have to digitally shave him for every shot.
He also didn't like to wear pants when you couldn't see his legs, but he would leave them around the set, so we had to remove them from random shots so their wouldn't be a random pair of pants on like the cars passenger seat or something.
He supposedly shot very quickly, so Directors definitely think about that more than VFX costs. After all, having a full crew working on location is incredibly expensive, so if he's wasting 15 minutes shaving or something, or making sure the sets are perfect, it probably costs more than one roto monkey sitting at a computer for >$20/hr
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SailingBroat2 days ago
+123
Leaving pants all over the set sent me.
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cchaudio2 days ago
+50
That makes a lot of sense. I remember a scene in six triple eight where one of the actors flubs a line and they all stop for a beat and look off set where someone clearly said "keep going" and the scene just continues. The guy is like a successful Ed Wood
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elderlybrain1 day ago
+7
The Mr Chocolate Atlanta parody is spot on it seems.
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BackroomDST2 days ago
+75
This is absolutely one of the reasons I left film work. I was an AD and the amount of people who are fine with 100 people not getting a full weekend so they could have a little extra turnaround was so depressing. My longest day on set was 18.5 hours. My shortest was 12.
Though I will give it to Britt Robertson. She was entitled to refuse a force one day but let us specifically so we could all have more weekend.
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forever871 day ago
+9
> Though I will give it to Britt Robertson. She was entitled to refuse a force one day but let us specifically so we could all have more weekend.
oooh any more details? I've been watching since *life unexpected* and have been rooting for her ever since! *secret circle*, *girlboss*, *for the people*, and *rookie feds*
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BackroomDST1 day ago
+58
She was very professional on set. Did her job and did it well. Was never late (she was 1 on the call sheet and the top 4 are always late all the time).
But she also understood her rights and responsibilities. Stood her ground on some of the forces, nothing like diva or anything. Just she worked under a union (SAG) and had rights based on that. The difference is, she saw the crew as human. She didn't mind being inconvenienced to help the team. Some actors think the crew work for them, she believed she worked WITH us.
She was pretty serious most of the time so I wouldn't say we all were FRIENDS with her, but she respected the PAs and much as the producers.
I was in the trailers at the time. In the morning it can be tough getting everyone through HMC cause they'll be a brat about the makeup, or be late, or take forever eating, but she was always watching the clock for when we had to travel.
Omg I would give 10 minute travel warnings and I didn't even need to go back in when the vans got there. She was always ready to go. Part of your job as a trailer AD (4th AD in the US I think?) is to worry. If you don't worry, things don't get done, actors don't get to set on time. I NEVER had to worry about her.
Wherever you are Britt, I hope you're doing good.
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forever871 day ago
+7
awww I'd like to know which tv show this was!
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[deleted]2 days ago
+209
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riegspsych3252 days ago
+122
“Somebody get me a PA to feed me baby food or I will drop a D in the green room! You all thought I was bluffing last week, didn’t ya?”
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goldenboy21911 day ago
+15
Jane Krasink’s performance of Jenna Maroney is what make this character a legend. There is some magical air of unhinged genuine that makes the character endearing and not annoying as f***.
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dblan92 days ago
+21
Dealbreaker....Shut It Down!
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HorrorDevotee2 days ago
+256
yeah, I can't stand directors who won't stand their ground. It's their job to tell people no. I think the same thing about directors who allow disruptive method acting to affect the production. Like yeah, I do blame the actors, but I more blame the director for failing at their job to keep people in line
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fionapickles2 days ago
+64
I feel the same way about bosses who do this and don’t stand up for their team. It’s a problem in all jobs!
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3FtDick2 days ago
+30
Having worked on set and directed, sometimes it's a game of crazy chicken the actor and director are playing. The director asks actors to wade around in knee deep cold water for 6 hours day 1 without warning, or someone hurt their foot and asked to change some blocking so they don't have to walk and instead the director makes them walk longer, the next day your actor is going to make some wild request to assert dominance or test the director. It's wildly childish but sometimes the way their contracts are written also instigates this, because the person who triggers a line in the contract is the one who has to make a concession, so they're avoiding a backdoor responsibility they didn't realize they were agreeing to. You'd just be amazed at how much of a production can be hostile to another department or stakeholder in the same production. Sometimes what looks petty from the outside is malicious compliance to jump through patronizing hoops set by even crazier people somewhere else.
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usernameis__taken2 days ago
+5
This sounds hilarious. Can you share some examples?!
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3FtDick2 days ago
+15
Uh, nicest one was a dancer who was booked for a certain number of hours with an expected choreography and then given a completely different more intense performance she was expected to do. So she essentially fulfilled 2/3rds of her hours the first day, didn't come in for the second day, and came in for the 3rd and only worked for an hour at a time and left set instead of taking OT and she wasn't part of a larger group shot we needed her for and she gambled on us needing her to do that shot and I pushed for us to pay her for more days and give her a split work schedule so she could rest and she agreed and worked hard again. If you knew her, she was sooooooo nice and sweet but they tried to leverage that and made her work more than she'd complain, but instead she strategically arrived and left until they treated her right then she was johnny on the spot. I know of more outrageous or funny stuff from other people's set, or more industry famous examples.
A common example is if you see a main actor talk to or ask a background actor questions. They're trying to get an extra full SAG or in non-union shoots just speaking credit/benefits, and likely trying to piss the producers off because they're probably c****.
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jgainit1 day ago
+5
As a former extra I ain't mad about that last bit
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SailingBroat2 days ago
+79
It's because, at the end of the day, they have huge power, a huge paycheck and get all the credit. They do NOT care about the human cost or impact on the crew because all the crew's hard graft ends up with the director's (and casts') name rubber stamped on top of it. So, what do they care? If it's a success the studio forgives ANY sins and they get another gig. I am 10 years into the industry and ready for the out. Most of listnook's favourite actors and directors (even the ones who can play it relatable on Hot Ones or talk shows) are f****** sociopaths.
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Born_Fee_8402 days ago
+52
Thank you. I work in production and I now just hate actors with a passion. Theres a few that are great but so many just take advantage of the huge power they have.
On the topic of PR social media videos and stuff, i watched an actor scream and be angry while walking down a corridor like "why the f*** do i have to do this?" And then open the door and be the nicest person ever because there were cameras. Its all an act and i hate it.
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SailingBroat2 days ago
+43
Right there with you. I can't STAND watching their gushing podcast appearances and Hot Ones appearances and see people fawn over them knowing that most of them are deeply spoiled, horrible humans whose main skill is precisely being able to switch charm on-and-off like a light switch. Professional sociopaths.
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parkernorwood2 days ago
+13
I imagine you’re a big fan of those Variety roundtable circlejerks
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SailingBroat2 days ago
+30
An impossible watch. Ditto podcasts like Amy Poehler's Good Hang or Smartless where actors almost literally suck each other off for an hour.
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parkernorwood2 days ago
+14
And, tangentially, it pisses me off a bit that there are so many small podcasts that do fantastic journalism, commentary, etc., yet all of the prestige media awards recognition (like the new Golden Globes category) goes to the half-assed celeb suckfests you mentioned
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Cards2WS1 day ago
+3
I love hearing about “behind the scenes” shitheads that cosplay as good people to the public. Do you have any names or stories you could share? Either to my comment or I’d be happy to chat over DM. If not, totally understand
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metalbracelet1 day ago
+4
No one should be treating the crew like shit but I also think plenty of us can relate to whining about having to go into some bullshit meeting before slipping into our professional mask.
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heephap2 days ago
+10
Who are the worst?
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SailingBroat2 days ago
+88
Jason Statham, Tom Hardy and Angelina Jolie were all certifiably out of their f****** minds. Pedro Pascal treated some AD friends of mine like total shit and yet is the internet's cosy 'daddy'. Orlando Bloom also treated my best friend like shit for weeks, and she is the sweetest most diligent person I know, and he will literally will not make eye contact with anyone on set who he deems unimportant, which is almost everyone except the director.
All actors can seem cosy n' down to earth for 15 minute increments on talk shows but MOST A-List lead actors are deeply narcissist, insecure, broken and mean. You have much better luck with character actors.
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East-Set65162 days ago
+4
Okay now who was the least worst?
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SailingBroat2 days ago
+35
Elle Fanning was sweet, acknowledged all levels of crew in our room, came prepared, and did the work accurately and efficiently.
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GrallochThis2 days ago
+21
Jamie Lee Curtis - if she arrived early, she would tell people to ignore her and sit in her car. Also came with scene blocking ideas, and was polite to everyone.
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Hans_Memling_Bruges2 days ago
+5
What did Angelina Jolie do exactly?
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unknownmichael2 days ago
+20
I just got a ride from a dude in New Orleans who said the same about Angelina Jolie. He worked with her and Brad Pitt on their foundation and apparently Angelina wouldn't let anyone look at her or speak to her unless spoken to.
Brad Pitt, on the other hand, was extremely down to earth and cool.
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punchanaziisethical2 days ago
+40
Which is crazy cause Brad Pitt is an actual psycho himself. That dude abused the f*** out her and those kids, that plane story only got out cause the staff were also witnesses, imagine what happened behind truly closed doors.
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funky_duck2 days ago
+35
> It's their job to tell people no.
It is their job to get profitable media out the door. Sometimes that means saying "Yes" to the stars you have on set for a limited time and "F*** you" to the rest of the crew. It is cheaper to pay the VFX team overtime than bring these actors back in for reshoots.
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groovyplatypus2 days ago
+16
As a vfx artist, this type of work is a technical nightmare and completely soul crushing.
Thanks for thinking of us!
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_ships2 days ago
+13
People don’t understand this is usually handed off to us and we have to do it over the course of a weekend with a skeleton crew. If this was a normal 9-5, you’ll get it done when you’re done type thing then yeah it’s nbd, but deadlines are a thing and you end up working 18 hour days
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soozerain2 days ago
+20
You don’t understand, they’re *stars*. There’s always another VFX guy waiting to work for poverty wages on the streets.
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I_am_Magog2 days ago
+41
Should’ve called Les Grossman.
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m0nk_3y_gw2 days ago
+17
lol, I thought you wrote Lev Grossman
"sure... he wrote the Magicians and had a short scene in season 1 (edit: season 1 of "The Magicians" on SyFy, not Beef season 1), but the wtf do you expect him to do here?" /s
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MappleStarsSky2 days ago
+68
This is not the first time something like this happened, I remember a lot of complaints from people that worked on sets during Moon Night with some of the same main actors being quite a diva and making it a mess to fix stuff in post-production. I had friends that worked there lol, but I prefer to not make any names as I don' t want to get sued lol.
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SeekingTheRoad2 days ago
+52
Gee, I wonder what actor was in both this and Moon Knight.
I'm not sure why you are "not naming any names" when the only person you could be referring to is Oscar Isaac. That's like saying, "I'm not naming any names, but I once met a former US president who is black!"
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breuh1 day ago
+9
You met Bill Clinton!?
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jgainit1 day ago
+6
get out of here lol
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PeopleCallMeSimon1 day ago
+7
Allow? You dont think it was the director who proposed it?
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JDDJS2 days ago
+152
After actually reading the article, it sounds like the "fortune" was hyperbole. They felt that it allowed for them to play their scenes together better when they were doing to the beat of the music. Production didn't seem to actually mind.
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dgellow2 days ago
+101
Complete non story and people are eating it
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KD_422 days ago
+30
No wonder social media corps encourage rage baiting because just look at all these comments, these actors who are known for having great performances and barely any scandal are being called unprofessional, douchebags and divas. People just love to get outraged
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KidDelicious142 days ago
+11
Also, I've read tons of threads on this sub before, but I've never seen so many people in the same thread claim to be in the industry before and try to use it as a claim of authority to shit on how actors are as people off camera. Seems weird.
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Gbrown5462 days ago
+7
Yep, people are over-reacting here and goes to show up Listnook in general
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KnowledgeIsDangerous2 days ago
+626
I feel like this is on the director/producers for allowing this.
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decidedlyindecisive2 days ago
+113
The director was in on it. He brings it up with them on the Beef podcast. A lot of the music was the official ssoundtrack.
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KnowledgeIsDangerous2 days ago
+31
So questionable decisions made all around. I think the title is just clickbait.
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decidedlyindecisive2 days ago
+43
It absolutely is. I watched the podcast. Also, given Carey Mulligan's hairstyle in the show, I'd be surprised if they had to edit anything for her. Her hair covers her ears in pretty much every scene.
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Permanenceisall2 days ago
+28
Well it worked. There’s 430 angry comments here like Oscar Isaac and Cary mulligan ran over someone’s dog. Talk about engagement.
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TimeTimeTickingAway1 day ago
+7
They also both put in fantastic performances, so you can’t deny the results of the process
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NBCaz2 days ago
+159
Agree. Don't let the inmates run the asylum.
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YoungKeys2 days ago
+6
This isn't unusual. Many things are edited or added in post due to mistakes made during production. Reason La La Land spent an entire year in post is because of decisions made after production (i.e. many dancers clothes in the opening number were replaced with CGI, adding dancers to other numbers, adding or removing street lights, etc).
No one even noticed there was so much CGI/post work and La La Land was nominated for like 14 Academy Awards and even built a reputation for looking like a 'realistic' musical.
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DJfunkyPuddle2 days ago
+33
Performative outrage over an actors request is way more fun /s
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4InchesOfury2 days ago
+974
Pretty unprofessional from the actors.
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TiredMisanthrope2 days ago
+147
I’m pretty sure they explained in an interview that for obvious reasons they aren’t able to play the music that goes over the scene while they are filming it and that they felt the music helped set the scenes emotionally. So in an effort to I guess enhance their performance or really set the scene for themselves, they’d listen to the music that would be in the scene while acting their parts.
I don’t know if I’d characterise it as unprofessional, I can certainly see the train of thought they had. Whether it legitimately helped them I don’t know.
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DrBeetlejuiceMcRib2 days ago
+87
Famous quote comes to mind -
“My dear boy, why don’t you just try acting?”
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RemnantEvil2 days ago
+29
It's not like they're *not* acting, it's not like either of them can't act, or that somehow playing music magically makes someone a better actor, it was just an aid to help them out a bit.
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AFourEyedGeek2 days ago
+7
Which was said with tongue in cheek.
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hidden_secret2 days ago
+316
They didn't listen to music because they were bored while acting.
Actors have near infinite downtime where they can listen to all the music they want.
They were listening to music while shooting to enhance their performance. The music was there to inspire emotions.
I can't really fault them... If they asked the director if it was ok and he said yes, then they had no reason to believe it was a problem.
The real unprofessional person is the director for thinking that it would be trivial to remove the earphones in post production.
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InstagramLincoln2 days ago
+103
Oh hey, somebody actually read the article instead of just blindly reacting to the headline!
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r3dditr0x2 days ago
+63
Do they maybe not like one another?
Just a theory bc this seems odd. Two co-leads having to wear headphones to kiss on screen kinda screams they don't.
(Like a wealthy, famous, talented actor can't create a romantic mood but a song can?)
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DomitiusAhenobarbus_2 days ago
+145
Did yall even read the article? They liked to time their kissing scenes so the beat dropped while they tongued 🤢
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No_Fairweathers2 days ago
+83
If you're not keeping your sexual rhythm to the beat of Sandstorm by Darude, you're doing both you and your partner a disservice.
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Torgo732 days ago
+39
Some of us prefer Cbat
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-August_West-2 days ago
+21
lmfao
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WiretapStudios2 days ago
+7
One of us
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missthugisolation2 days ago
+35
No, in fact they wanted to work together. There’s a podcast about the show where they mentioned how badly they wanted to work together again before they got casted for this.
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somms9992 days ago
+13
This is the third time they've played a couple, so I doubt it.
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billlwoo2 days ago
+29
earphones mentioned in headline, earwigs mentioned in article. that's a very common thing on sets for people who are singing or don't know their lines. I don't think this is a real story!
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JDDJS2 days ago
+20
No. It's a fun little tidbit that they openly shared on a podcast to promote the show. The "fortune" comment seems to be hyperbole.
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fordangliacanfly2 days ago
+31
This comment section is abysmal
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overitallofittoo1 day ago
+3
Honest to God. People who've never worked in television trying to parse the ins and outs.
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YourmomgoestocolIege1 day ago
+6
Seriously. If people want to b**** about something, do it about these shifty click bait articles. READ THE ARTICLES OR DON'T SAY ANYTHING. You'd think people would have learned by now
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SpecialistSix2 days ago
+115
bit of an odd choice not to just....pipe in music. On a speaker. Like a million other productions have done for those kind of moments.
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Jerrymeyers112 days ago
+68
It says in the article, they can't do that because then they don't have all their dialogue cleanly. They would have to pay to have the actors come back in to record ADR for all their dialogue.
Also, they were using earwigs which are often worn on sets for one reason or another. They wore them when filming Les Mis and other movies where live singing is done. And are usually much smaller than an airpod. I did a commercial years ago that required a lot of improv, so I wore an earwig so the director could give me instructions during takes. They mostly shot around it, but there were shots that they had to edit it out.
I know the headline is written in a way to make it sound like they were just lazily listening to podcasts when they were supposed to be acting. And who knows, maybe they were basically bullying the director, but this is definitely a thing that happens in all levels of production.
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spleeble2 days ago
+27
They definitely weren't. The creator interviewed the two actors and it was a lighthearted exchange about acting/filming. The creator is doing the interview and he asks them a question about it because he clearly wants them to talk about it, and they are all happy with the result.
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jtrain492 days ago
+44
You would then have to ADR every single line of dialog.
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spleeble2 days ago
+18
Then they can't use any of the on set audio.
I sincerely doubt that he meant "cost a fortune" as in "it was a big deal". "Cost a fortune" could mean "we spent five figures on that but it was worth it."
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Anal_Nectarine2 days ago
+22
This thread is the perfect example of people falling for a clickbait headline and not actually reading the f****** article lol.
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+294
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MightyKrakyn2 days ago
+164
It sounds like the director was supportive or at least did not push back, if you read the article
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woodford862 days ago
+14
I suspect given the theme of S2 and that both of them did it…somebody probably had the idea that it would help them come off as disconnected from their conversations and focused only on themselves
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Sir_Myshkin2 days ago
+18
For those too lazy to actually read the article, here’s your tl;dr:
Isaac had headphones on for a scene (scripted), made comment “this interesting.”
Director intrigued, let Isaac try (unscripted) in more scenes.
Carey wanted onboard.
Cast got carried away.
Director’s fault for costing unplanned expense by getting actors hooked on using sync’d earbuds to have mood music for their scenes.
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czyzczyz2 days ago
+44
It sounds like it was in a couple of scenes, and the cost to paint out earphones would probably be a rounding error in either of their paychecks for a single episode. You’re paying good money for great actors, you don’t question it if they’re finding something useful to their performance and it isn’t an actual problem.
Actual problems that came up during the shoot? — the director is not going to talk about those while on a PR tour. This is just something that was probably thought to seem interesting-enough to get clicks and drive some people who wouldn’t otherwise have heard of the show to be curious.
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truckstick_burns2 days ago
+14
Yea, they both had the same song playing in those scenes are they thought it really helped their performance.
I'm never going to side with Netflix spending money over an artist doing something they feel helps their performance.
Netflix can afford it.
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brokenmessiah2 days ago
+117
Why do actors do this? Like that shit with Wesley Snipes not wanting his eyes open lol.
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Inside_Dimension23192 days ago
+183
I think this story has gotten a little twisted. I believe they had the shot of him with his eyes closed, as was written in the script; then the director decided later he wanted to have him open his eyes for the shot but Snipes refused to come back for reshoots. So they just CGI’d the shot they already had.
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HankScorpio302 days ago
+60
The scene would also be better with his eyes closed, he's supposed to be dead and just grabs one of them by the throat doesn't he? It would be much better if he does it with eyes shut, more bad ass
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samwheat902 days ago
+42
TBF , I think Snipes was in the right on the reason not to open his eyes for that scene
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ReginaldAppleby2 days ago
+5
Scrolling through the article on that god awful site made me understand how my 2 year old touches everything that’s wrong on any device.
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LionBig17601 day ago
+5
The amount of people here who are reacting to the headline because they didnt read the story is not at all surprising, but it is endlessly disappointing.
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fatvaderz1 day ago
+5
plenty of movies use well hidden/masked earpieces. This is 100% director + production's faults
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sdwoodchuck2 days ago
+13
So it helped folks get work hours that Netflix has to foot the bill for? I got no beef with that.
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JDDJS2 days ago
+4
Pun intended?
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acyland2 days ago
+4
Right? Like, are people actually acting mad....on Netflix's behalf? They're actors, the director obviously was okay with it, especially now that they're talking about it jokingly in interviews. I don't understand the big deal...
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+38
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SnooDrawings78762 days ago
+18
You're lying or you're new. If you worked in film you would immediately know they were wearing in ear earwigs, not airpods. Actors wear these literally all the time if they choose to have lines fed to them. Recently Stellan Sarsgard wore one in every single on his scenes in Andor. Extremely, extremely common. This comment section is insanely uninformed.
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elkstwit2 days ago
+32
Define “very common” because I also work in film and that’s not something I’ve ever encountered or even heard of happening.
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Anal_Nectarine2 days ago
+7
Lmao you definitely did not read the article if you think they were wearing AirPods during the scene.
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Tifoso892 days ago
+4
So they have to ADR the whole thing?
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glittercrotch2 days ago
+3
Um yeah bc they were definitely listening to music to enhance their on set performance, only to replace said performances in a stale adr booth? Are you sure you work in film?
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spate422 days ago
+6
Isaac added: “Yeah, the rhythm was lining up. We had to do that because you couldn't have the music playing to cover up the audio, so we liked [wearing the earwigs] so much. We were like, ‘Why don't we keep doing that in other scenes?’ And so we started doing that and it was great.”
Idk i think this is fine 🤷🏽♂️
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