RFK Jr is a big proponent of at psychs so it’s likely just him pushing it
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LetsGetElevated15 hr ago
+19
Rogan had been distancing himself from Trump a bit lately, he’s buying his loyalty back ahead of the midterms, still happy to see a good policy slip through the cracks
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StealYaNicks14 hr ago
+9
Ketamine therapy was advertised everywhere a few years back so I looked into it one time out of curiosity. It was hundreds of dollars per session for an amount that would cost like only tens of dollars if you procured it other ways. There's medical professionals and all involved so obviously it's gonna cost more, but seems like those places are making pretty good profit. They'll end up charging hundreds of dollars for a little bit of shrooms.
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anivex9 hr ago
+2
Lmao you aren’t paying 10s of dollars for medical-grade IV Ketamine injections on the street, if you can even find it like that.
The shit you snort at a festival is way different than what you get in a medical setting.
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Yesitshismom8 hr ago
+2
No, but is more affordable to those seeking treatment that can't afford the medical professionals in america
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anivex8 hr ago
Getting drugs off the street is not seeking treatment. Ketamine therapy isn't just "here do some ketamine"...it's a theraputic process involving therapy(hence the name).
As someone who has done a lot of "street" psychedelics, and has also lived in poverty most of my life - I get it. It's frustrating and I agree that it shouldn't be so expensive, that the American healthcare system is fucked; and I would prefer if it was at least covered by insurance because of how much I've seen it help people.
However, that doesn't make it right to assume false equivalencies in your arguments.
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OonaPelota8 hr ago
+1
This is exactly it. We have a coin operated president. He doesn’t have any opinions of anything other than who is paying him and when and how much. If you read into this the drug in question is ibogaine, many ties to his inner circle.
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AssociateGreat235019 hr ago
+210
This will be about as effective as the Marijuana reschedule EO from last year. Nothing will come of it
But pres needs a PR distraction again, so
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Gash_Stretchum17 hr ago
+35
You’re doing marketing. Yuck.
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Kind-Hat-989716 hr ago
-32
More like Ron Swanson. I’m happy to take your checks for services if you think the rapture is tomorrow as well.
The guy who invented the pet rock is my hero.
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badbrotha15 hr ago
+7
Satan has a special circle for people like you
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Kind-Hat-989715 hr ago
-15
Dude if I was ACTUALLY evil, I would be an evangelist. Satan isn’t real dummy.
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badbrotha14 hr ago
+4
Metaphor for the spiritual my guy.
Fraudsters were on the 8th circle
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Kind-Hat-989714 hr ago
-2
Lmao so the made up part that even the people who follow the religion say is total bullshit is the thing that’s supposed to impress an idea on me and make me worried?
This is going to blow your mind but all your little spiritual ideas are complete and utter horseshit. Worth as much as they make you feel. What I understand is the world and the universe is utterly indifferent to you and your suffering. No one is in control. It’s all fugazi.
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badbrotha13 hr ago
+2
I'm an atheist, actually. But I like the idea of spiritualism, being at one with oneself and being a positive force in a world of negativity. It reverberates, in one way or another.
But Pop off king. Rats gonna rat
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Kind-Hat-989713 hr ago
-1
You know what. You convinced me. I’m gonna place a bet that aliens exist now. You inspired me to do the right thing man.
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gunglejim14 hr ago
+8
Only poor people say “poors” lmfao. You’re showing your class, mate.
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Kind-Hat-989714 hr ago
-8
Oh definitely started there. It’s weird to be surrounded by people whom repeatedly do everything that they are told NOT to do, end up poor, and then blame…everyone else? The system? No, it’s you. You are a poor.
I figured it out early. I used to feel bad about taking money from people but once I realized they were always going to lose it, why shouldn’t I be the one to gain it?
Calling people mates either means youre putting on airs(which would make your comment deeply ironic) or you are from outside the US. If you are from outside the US, don’t tell me what to do to the stupid people here and I won’t tell you what to do with your growing stupid population that is there.
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gunglejim12 hr ago
+5
I can tell I’m right by how triggered you are.
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silverado8317 hr ago
Just checked out Kalshi, didn't realize the government was still shut down 🤣🤣🤣
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Kind-Hat-989716 hr ago
-6
Stay away from that bet. Only insiders have a clue when it’s going to hit.
There’s some really for sure bets now that have better yearly returns then you will ever get from the stock market. I’m not like throwing a significant portion of my portfolio at it but I’m very excited for January 1st. I have a ton of bets maturing at that point. I did gamble on one this year. Had 50$ extra in the app and put it on at least one gop member calling for impeachment of Trump. Looking back, that was pretty dumb of me.
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silverado8316 hr ago
Ya it's just fun for small bets. I'd never do it for any sort of real profit, just beer money basically.. But seems we can't use that site in Canada. Our government lotto site has some Political bets you can make, but no where near what this site has. I've made $80 on a few $5 bets since Trump took office the last time. I keep a big chunk of my real investments in mining startups, high risk, but big rewards, and I got lotsa time till retirement.
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Kind-Hat-989716 hr ago
+1
I mean it’s probably a good thing. The site shouldn’t exist at all but it’s pretty impossible to stop a fool from separating from their money
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silverado8317 hr ago
-6
Damn, can't trade from Canada 🤣
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purpleassmonkey17 hr ago
-9
Do you really think the gov will never reschedule pot? Curious of your opinion on the matter.
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Old-Suspect412917 hr ago
+10
Canada did in 2018. Now it's better then ever. Cheaper then ever. Government gets a cut. And wow! no anxiety when I smoke.
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Xszit17 hr ago
+16
We've now had two presidents, one from each major party, order the DEA to reschedule and both times the DEA just... didn't do it.
If they were serious the head of the DEA would have been fired and replaced by someone who follows orders better. That didn't happen. They aren't serious, just using the promise of rescheduling to try to drum up some votes around election times and then its forgotten once the news moves on to the next thing.
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Kind-Hat-989716 hr ago
+1
Probably not! But anyone who thinks it’s going to be Trump has to be mixing lead paint into their coffee.
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Sleepingguitarman16 hr ago
+12
Based on the article i'm only seeing things suggesting this is just for ibogaine? That's extremely disappointing if that's the case, considering there's other psychedelics that seem to generally be considered much safer and easier on the patient from a side effect perspective.
I feel like this would be much more beneficial if applied to other psychedelics as well, so long as the "fast tracking" doesn't mean we're sacraficing the quality of the studies. Ideally we'd just be making it more accessible to study and allocating resources towards these studies.
I think lots of people are very aware that psychedelic drug treatments can, and hopefully will be become a life saving treatment option for lots of people, but how they'll most effectively be integrated into treatment is arguably the big question.
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casser0le9812 hr ago
+4
thank god i found a comment from someone educated on this. 💀was beginning to lose hope
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MegaRadCool810 hr ago
+2
NYT's The Daily podcast had an episode about this drug last weekend. Rick Perry is a big proponent of this drug as is a Democrat congresswoman whose name I can't remember. The podcast mentioned the neural plasticity that this drug allows which suggests medical avenues for people with Alzheimer's and other types of dementia, but studies are stymied by the drugs classification.
As a daughter of an Alzheimer's patient and a dementia patient, I'm glad this specific drug will potentially be available for study. Though as a cancer patient, I'm also rooting for psilocybin.
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Sleepingguitarman9 hr ago
+2
Do you happen to remember if they talked about the neuralplasticity component being more of a feature with ibogaine in comparison to other psychedelics?
I was under the impression that many psychedelics (like Lsd and Mushrooms) also were theorized to create states of increased neuralplasticity, but it's been a year or two since i was really into reading about that stuff, so maybe i'm misremembering.
I believe Ketamine is another substance (though not a psychedelic) that temporarily increases neuroplasticity, but this is the first i'm hearing about neuroplasticity in regards to alzheimers/dementia treatment.
I hope they do find a new treatment for alzheimers/dementia as well, and i'm truely sorry to hear about your cancer diagnosis. Sending my best wishes your way my friend!
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r0cafe1a14 hr ago
+9
I was part of a clinical trial for psilocybin and saw how hard these doctors were busting their asses to make sure everything was sound and not screw up in any little way to derail psychedelic medicine going forward.
Joe Rogan wants to take steps toward legalization and legitimacy? Done.
Love the outcome, pisses me off who can move the bar that fast. Here’s to all the doctors for the past decades whose names we’ll never hear.
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eventfarm6 hr ago
+1
This is only about ibogaine, specifically.
I am 100% for psychedelic drugs being studied and approved for use medicinally. However I don't support this current news. From my understanding, ibogaine has some serious side effects that are extremely concerning. It's coming up in this discussion because it's backed by companies who've been able to synthesize it. This is a cash grab for people invested in those companies.
Remember that just a year ago the FDA denied MDMA as a medicine. The literature behind MDMA as a treatment for PTSD is pretty significant, but still failed FDA approval.
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Spot_Mysterious15 hr ago
+4
So Rogan will stop talking about the Epstein files
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Wide__Stance15 hr ago
+9
Bicycle Day is tomorrow; there are several psychedelic conferences happening this weekend.
I’m sure this will go nowhere, just like the cannabis EO, but whoever came up with this idea (I assume RFK Jr) timed it well.
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AdhesivenessFun206018 hr ago
+16
This is a good thing but this administration will absolutely bungle it. It'll get caught between the nuts and the antidrug people. Ending up with drug companies charging half a million dollars for a half assed version and killing any chance of success.
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Sad-Math-203915 hr ago
+5
*New federal order aims to fast track *profits* of psychedelic drug treatments
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Philly51418 hr ago
+12
Broken clocks, twice a day, yada yada
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ACorania18 hr ago
+6
Why do they need fast track instead the same as any other drug? What is special about them?
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FreelyFound18 hr ago
+16
Double blind studies are difficult to do with psychedelics. The studies that were done before prohibition, and those that have been done in the last decade do demonstrate remarkable efficacy in treating certain conditions such as depression and PTSD. They are not especially profitable for drug companies though, because it’s not something that people will take every day for the rest of their life. The non-fast track process is expensive, and without the financial incentive of life-long users, who will pay for those studies?
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returnofthechief17 hr ago
-7
Yeah but how can we hate this and want it aborted since Trump is involved?
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SofaKingStewPadd15 hr ago
+2
Why does basic decency have to be a propaganda photo op? Should an abused wife and thank her abuser for letting her eat a c******?
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TheCrowScare18 hr ago
Medication approval in the US is leagues behind other countries. For example, because sunscreen falls under the purview of the FDA as a topical medication, its difficult to get approval for better sunscreen. That's why Korean sunscreen is far superior, because they don't have to go through the same process.
With psychedelics, because they have been illegal they have not been able to have clinical trials or as much widespread research. Fast tracking them will help them become available to patients faster as there has been a large amount of potential efficacy. The conditions they treat, such as anxiety, depression, ocd, and ptsd to name a few, affect millions of Americans.
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ACorania18 hr ago
-5
But why do we want them available to patients faster as the research hasn't been done to know they are more effective than existing options or safer. I agree we have to research them and it was a bad call not to, but no idea why they need a rush.
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TheCrowScare18 hr ago
+3
By fast tracking, it doesn't mean that they're going to necessarily cut corners and provide the drugs without the research. Fast trucking in this context means that they're going to funnel money towards these drugs so that the research can occur. It's hard to do research without adequate financial support. By fast tracking it and giving some 50 million or what have you, that money can then be used to facilitate the research to get them to the clinical stage and then to patients faster.
Without that, then there be less money which means less research which would mean a slower progression to that patient stage.
Of course it's the Trump era so I can really speak to safeguards, but generally speaking the United States does not approve medications without the science and testing to back it. The fast tracking by funneling money just helps get to that stage quicker, but doesn't mean that the research is less thorough.
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ACorania18 hr ago
-8
Right. I understand that.
There is no reason to think these drugs will be safer or more efficacious than other drugs in the pipeline. Why not fast track the ones most promising rather than something because it is natural or popular publicly?
This feels like pushing something through because of popular opinion rather than any scientific evidence. If the process itself is to onerous than work on that. Fast tracking this does not help get relief to those with these issues because it could come at the cost of other, better options. But we don't know until the science is done.
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Agondonter18 hr ago
+7
The EO is about fast tracking the research, not availability. I hate this administration, but I watched the EO signing and heard the veterans talk about how much it helped them with suicide, PTSD, depression etc. This seems like a good thing and, in time, will help people. But medical research is a lengthy and fraught process, no matter who is POTUS.
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Pleasant-Shallot-70718 hr ago
+3
Jesus f****** Christ… yes there is! And providing support for more research is a good thing
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TheCrowScare17 hr ago
+1
There is scientific evidence...
Popular opinion is reflective of the science coming out of states that have loosened restrictions on these substances and international scientific measures. This isn't just "Hey, lets get fucked up on shrooms!"
Because of the rigorous standards needed in this country, because of the promising evidence shown thus far, and because of popular sentiment, this is why they are fast tracking it. It's both something people want and something shown to be potentially miraculous for mental health, which is why they are now funneling money into research in order to show efficacy and get it through trials as quickly and safely as possible.
What other, better options is this at the cost of? I have a feeling you do not understand how medical research works based on your posts. This hasn't taken away any money from other medical trials. We have existing medicine, that works decently for some, terribly for others.
Also, what are the "most promising" drugs in the pipeline you think are there? Currently, the "most promising" in the pipeline IS psychedelics.
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Extension-Toe-702717 hr ago
+6
Because they work, it's been known they work for a while now, so that is not longer the purpose of the research, people have been using them on their own and therefore the individual experience has no scientific value so maybe that is problem that can be solved by bringing this in to a control environment and I would say the rush is necessary due to a mental health crisis with a side kick of suicides, so any thing that can help stop that is a step in the right direction.
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neatyouth4414 hr ago
+1
Because there are so many of us resistant to or who can’t take current treatments such as SSRI’s.
We are dying while we wait for them. I’m not saying that as an appeal to emotion, I’m being extremely factual. We do need guardrails and oversight in case something *does* go wrong, quality and dose control, and information about harm reduction and contraindications, before it is released to the general public. That doesn’t mean all harm can be prevented or that we should even try to; treatments of last resort are called that for a reason. It’s a balance of preventing harm to self, harm to others, harm to society, and a hefty dose of patient centered, informed consent care and autonomy.
Unfortunately, that makes the middle men and companies also drug dealing profiteers because of how the field of medicine is structured in the US.
“Move fast, break stuff” has a human death toll.
Just look at what’s happening with AI and Meta, and that’s just “digital drugs”.
At the same time, human life spans and development stages are time limited. Delays or restriction can also cost lives, so there shouldn’t be *unncessary* ones at the cost of “politics”. Look at what’s happening in trans medicine for that perspective, or disability poverty.
It is a complex issue, and I say this as a former psychonaut who checked out the psychadelic industry in Colorado first hand.
Psychedelics saved my life, and have had lasting effects on my conditions including severe, catatonic PTSD and addiction. However, like many, I came into them in a grey area without true clinical support, and that lack of support and oversight did its own damage despite education from places like Dance Safe.
And I see what the unregulated Delta8 is doing.
I really do not think we will see vast improvements in this field until such things are all available by prescription without stigma and as legitimate medication, but also have universal healthcare and access. It doesn’t work without both, just makes it a class based system of access and expense.
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KryptCeeper18 hr ago
Trump wanted to try some psychedelics for his "severe anxiety and depression"
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UniversityNew925414 hr ago
+2
I thought there was no money for anything health related?
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wastelandingstrip14 hr ago
+2
If a government is going to reboot MKUltra, it's this one, just saying...
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dontfookwitdachook7 hr ago
+2
Man, Joe Rogan is f****** uggly
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Kegelz16 hr ago
+2
The fact that it has to be synthetic is kind of wild
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ithinkitslupis19 hr ago
+4
Well, at least having RFK JR making suggestions is going to let you get fucked up enough to leave a bear in Central Park. Might take your mind off of dying of easily preventable diseases we used to vaccinate for.
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blankvoidoid15 hr ago
+3
Can't get vaccinated against real diseases? Don't get anxious about it, just smoke pot and trip instead. F*** this administration.
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AlanShore6060718 hr ago
+1
Yeah, I wanna be on whatever Trump is on. That must be some good shit if it makes you think you’re smort for bankrupting multiple businesses.
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DramaticApple659016 hr ago
+1
The only good thing he's done. People are gonna need that shit.
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PurpleCoat665615 hr ago
+1
Please give Trump Ibogaine.
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eventfarm6 hr ago
+1
According to Mother jones, apparently he asked for it at the end of the signing of the EO
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ksgt6912 hr ago
+1
They're probably going to use it for Trump, anything to stave off the dementia.
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Nytshaed19 hr ago
-5
RFK has been a disaster, but this could be a silver lining.
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uhohnotafarteither18 hr ago
You will be sorely disappointed, I hope you dont actually expect anything to come from this
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origanalsameasiwas17 hr ago
-1
It’s for trump to use.
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furrysalesman6912 hr ago
-1
Less people mentally competent enough to rage against the machine, I guess.
Doing drugs is the fastest way to get to the backwards thinking that the administration has been trying; they’re recruiting.
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lateralspin14 hr ago
-2
Who needs to face the consequences of Real Life, when you can hallucinate it?
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