Not just ICE: Do we need DHS?

No. We need some of the agencies within DHS, like FEMA and the Coast Guard, but it doesn't need to be all under one big thing. (Sources: John Oliver's segment on DHS and one of Heather Cox Richardson's videos.)

i'm old enough to remember when the W admin invented the DHS and remember hoping someone would dismantle it again after the clowns left office. word to the wise, never underestimate the capacity of a clown car

unrelated, but not really: i saw a video the other day from a mass shooting in january. when cops arrived on scene they murdered a young unarmed black man who was running for his life from the shooter. we need to abolish ice, we need to cripple dhs, we need to greatly defund policing in this country -- and fundamentally we need to reevaluate how we police, investigate, and enforce laws in this country. we've surrendered our privacy. not only do we allow 30 f****** redundant law enforcement agencies to now track and monitor us, making us a surveillance state, but our rights have been so stripped that any f****** private corporation can track us and trade our private information without our consent. we are the country the beats, arrests, shoots in the f****** back first - and asks questions later. due process was already stripped long before ice started serving fake warrants, detaining without cause, deporting without conviction, etc.

NO. This agency wasnt even a thing until after I was out of college. It’s a hammer in search of a nail.

We don't need a lot of the c*** we did after 9/11.

Nope. That's what the FBI and the CIA are for. Also, while we are at it, can we open up the border between Canada and the US again like it used to be before Bush Jr. screwed it up? You used to be able to go from one country to another using only your driver's license. Now you need a passport. It was so much easier back then for everyone. Especially for people who worked on one side of the border but lived on the other side of the border as well as for people who had relatives on both sides. So many people who live far away from either side of the border don't realize how thin that border was and how people used to go back and forth like they were going from one state to another or from one providence to another every single day. So many Canadians have American relatives and so many Americans have Canadian relatives.

Man I was 21 years old and could tell the Patriot Act was not something any serious country would call a set of laws. Calling the us the "homeland"? That's insane! Department of Homeland Security? Terrifying! I was 21 and all this was obvious to me. I was sure we'd sort it out in a couple of years, especially after Dubya left office. We never did; wtf.

With ICE what is gained is most certainly NOT JUST ICE.

Nope

We didn’t have it when I was growing up, so it’s not needed. That’s my MAGA dad’s argument for the Department of Education. Why are we slashing budgets for the good stuff and enhancing them for the bad stuff (spying on citizens, assassinating protesters, terrorizing people of color)?

Now we're asking the right questions.

Yes. We need it. What we really need is a better way to pick a president. ALL federally elected persons should have a complete background check and check on their knowledge of how the constitution works. If the candidate refuses to participate, they don't get to be put on the election.