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News & Current Events May 12, 2026 at 8:12 AM

Oct. 7 sexual violence was patterned, documented, prosecutable, new report argues

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Sexual crimes committed during October 7 attack documented in extensive report | The Jerusalem Post
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Sexual crimes committed during October 7 attack documented in extensive report | The Jerusalem Post
Civil Commission says Hamas and its collaborators weaponized bodies, families, and digital platforms during massacre and captivity.

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almo2001 23 hr ago +1122
Ok so let's also prosecute the people who do this regardless of which side they're on. I mean this sincerely.
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alexwasashrimp 22 hr ago +559
This is a disgustingly centrist take. Any listnookor worth their salt should condemn one side and wholly support the other side regardless of what they do.
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Bitter_Tea442 22 hr ago +219
As a reminder, you aren't on the left if you are choosing sides between right wing authoritarian groups like they are sports teams.
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PieFuture3528 19 hr ago +34
'any listnookor worth their salt' just sent a chill down my spine
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kvikklunsjrevolver 12 hr ago +3
Movie idea: Listnook 2: It’s narwhal time.
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Noughmad 21 hr ago +49
Please mark your sarcasm, I almost missed it and downvoted, there are very similar serious comments around.
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joelfarris 20 hr ago +22
What, the Sarcasm Font is not loading on your work machine? Have you tried turning it off and on again?
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Fluffcake 17 hr ago +9
This conflict is a case of everyone sucks, a lot. Quantifying who sucks more is of academic interest at this point. War crimes against civilians across the board.
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Whole-Extension3561 21 hr ago +90
You are going to anger the "justificable resistance" crowd
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LothorBrune 19 hr ago +14
... Honestly, I don't even know which one you're referring to.
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ThePickleConnoisseur 15 hr ago +25
The people who quite literally said r*** is resistance
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Whole-Extension3561 18 hr ago +56
The one that says everything Palestinians do is justified because they are resisting Israel, including but not limited to supporting Hamas and other groups' terrorist actions.
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almo2001 18 hr ago +1
Yeah see I agree with justifiable resistance... to a point. That point does not include such crimes against civilians.
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Dry-Season-522 14 hr ago +33
And then "And because they have conscription then none of them are civilians really so it's okay to..."
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xmuskorx 18 hr ago +19
the people who do is Hamas leadership. there is no way to prosecuted them without removing them from power first. it's like saying In 1943 - hey let's prosecute people doing the Holocaust!
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whaboywan 12 hr ago +5
So Iran?
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BazingaODST 16 hr ago +4
I totally agree
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AtomicBlastCandy 1 day ago +1016
There’s a sexual assault support center in Canada that denied any violations occurred right after October 7th
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Bobb161 23 hr ago +528
Grace Tame, who received Australian of the year (an award she received for being an advocate for survivors of sexual assault), and sexual assault survivor herself, referred to sexual violence that occurred in relation to the 7th of October attack as Israeli propaganda.
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WolfySpice 14 hr ago +84
And recently chanted 'globalise the Intifada' at a rally then was shocked that she was losing speaking engagements, blaming Israel. Like, no. An anti-violence campaigner campaigning to globalise violence is just not something people want to be associated with.
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RobertTheAdventurer 12 hr ago +29
Her foundation closed due to trouble with funding. Apparently people didn't want to pay her or the foundation to speak at their events anymore. Of course she's claiming it's due to a "smear campaign". https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2026/apr/10/grace-tame-foundation-closes-funding-ntwnfb I personally don't understand why she needed her own foundation named after herself with its own administration costs if she wasn't going to care about how her personal behavior affected the foundation's funding and its cause.
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ShadeSilver90 23 hr ago +168
And yet the united nations have found credible proof of sexual assaults. I don't care what she says when a whole international body found it credible
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Bobb161 22 hr ago +99
I am not implying she should be held as a higher authority compared to the UN, that would be ridiculous. I am just mentioning how absurd her statement was, especially considering how she was/is an advocate for survivors of sexual assault. Just like that Canadian sexual assault support centre.
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PuffyPanda200 22 hr ago +140
IMO this is basically the expected result of a pro-Palistine (which I differentiate from pro-Palistinian, to be pro-Palistinian one must advocate for the well-being of the Palestinians/Arabs in the WB, Gaza, and Israel, who are about of equal number) position. One can't have a western, progressive mindset and also advocate for political/military groups that want to kill millions of people. So thus any kind of fact that could be seen as 'pro-israeli' is discarded as propaganda. You can't support Hamas without removing portions of the reality.
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guitman27 21 hr ago -9
Israel sucks. So does Hamas.
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PuffyPanda200 20 hr ago +61
It is completely reasonable to be critical of the Israeli state sponsored action to control land that is disputed (basically just in area C of the West Bank) and also see Hamas as a terror organization. These actions are also just not comparable. The Israeli land dispute is also far from unique in the world. Turkey has their own disputed territory that they functionally control in N Cypress. India and China literally fight eachother with sticks over land in the mountains. The US and Canada have a dispute around the Maine. None of these people launch rockets or send in commandos to randomly kill civilians. That is unique to Hamas and other terror groups. Further, I consider myself to be Pro-Palestinian (though find the need to label one as pro-X unnecessary). I want what is best for the ~7 million Palestinians living in Gaza, the WB, and Israel (the ones in Israel often identify as 'Arab'). By any metric those living in Israel experience better social, economic, and political freedom than the WB or Gaza. The Palestinians/Arabs living in Israel (20% of the population) are also better off than those living in neighboring nations too. Ra'am's priorities have been fairly basic services and infrastructure, not separatism. To put Israel into the same bucket as a terror group while the people that one supposedly advocates for have by far the best life outcomes in Israel is non-logical. Like being too cold and cranking up the AC to solve this problem.
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Ajaws24142822 18 hr ago +7
Jesus…
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Etherius 1 day ago +393
The First Lady of New York City denies that it happened too
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UseBackground2370 14 hr ago +17
She also used the N word repeatedly and made fun of people online...
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Etherius 11 hr ago +4
If these are the thing she believes it’s not a leap to guess at what the mayor himself believes behind closed doors
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UseBackground2370 8 hr ago +4
I mean, Islam is pretty clear on where it stands on this whole being gay thing. Just look what happens to gay people in Iran or Saudi Arabia. 
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ChapterN7 23 hr ago +136
That's disappointing. Sucks we live in a world where so many people can't accept there might be 2 wrongs in any given situation. Gotta pick a side and defend and deflect.
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deeznutz133769 22 hr ago +53
It's what happens when you care about the optics of words and not the truth of them. People this brainwashed don't hear about Oct. 7 and think, "I should investigate and see if this is true or not, and if it's true I should reevaluate my stance and beliefs." They think, "that sounds really bad *for my side* so I should deny that it happened or it makes *my side* look really bad."
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daveboy2000 16 hr ago +14
Literally no moral fortitude left in politics.
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butwhyisitso 22 hr ago +18
successive generations of brain dead hero plots.
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daveboy2000 16 hr ago +4
For real. Star Wars is not a geopolitical lecture folks.
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Angry_Anal 22 hr ago +16
Not even pick a side, kneel down and pledge loyalty to a side. No one is capable of critical thinking anymore.
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Acceptable_Tea_3685 20 hr ago +33
Wait, what? Are we saying that there was no attack on October 7th now? All the rapes and kidnapping and murders didn’t happen? Is there a news article? How the hell did Hamas end up with hostages then?
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Etherius 11 hr ago +15
According to the First Lady of NYC the violence was a result of Israeli oppression and the things they did that have no possible valid explanation (like rapes and baby murders) didn’t happen
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suzisatsuma 22 hr ago +50
It's how we know who are anti Israel's actions vs who are just anti-jew. Mandami's wife is racist.
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Vandergrif 16 hr ago +10
Why would a sexual assault support center in Canada be weighing in on events on the other side of the planet?
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MadeyesNL 16 hr ago +2
\#believeallwomen
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KillerKombo 23 hr ago +298
What gets me is the video of a militant hacking off the head of a Thai foreign worker with a garden hoe. Fuckheads like [uncivilized](https://youtu.be/BznL4d9BCGA?si=nU-HEmTHgE33tqzY) jerk off about how Hamas released the Thai hostages and treated them well... But doesn't mention the guy who got decapitated :/
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Stefouch 21 hr ago +69
I remember watching that video. I remember the garden hoe was a bad tool for the job and the thai worker had to suffer multiple strikes from the hamas militant before he died.
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KillerKombo 21 hr ago +46
I believe he was already unconscious or possibly deceased before the attempted beheading. This attack alone would solidify my position that Oct 7th was not a military assault against an armed adversary. Militants attacked people indiscriminately, and attempted to cause maximum damage and loss of life. People compare the IDF and Hamas as equals when they aren't anywhere close. The IDF is the recognized military of a country, has strict operating protocols, disciplinary procedures, defined command hierarchy, strict command and control structures. If an IDF soldier was filmed deliberately decapitating a civilian with a gardening tool, the world would f****** explode.
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Old_Leopard1844 17 hr ago +37
World exploded over less with Israel
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warsage 17 hr ago +41
The video I always remember is the guy tossing a grenade into a bomb shelter.
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StarrrBrite 15 hr ago +20
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KillerKombo 17 hr ago +32
That's was pretty fucked too. I believe it's the same clip that shows a civilian running out of the shelter out of fear and being fired at. The militant that beheaded a dead IDF soldier and took it back to Gaza... People explode over Hind Rajab but never talk about the civilian vehicles and SUVs that were deliberately fired upon knowing they were civilians. The video of an RPG being fired at a civilian SUV is fucked.
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Maleficent-Stormbee 22 hr ago +33
what the actual f***
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ThePickleConnoisseur 15 hr ago +33
It’s funny how they say they have a bleeding heart for the people who are “being genocided” until the side who started the war kidnaps, raped, and tortures civilians. I guess only non-Jew civilians can be innocent in their eyes
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AnomalyNexus 22 hr ago +140
>Hamas has denied allegations of sexual violence by its members Classic Hamas. Couldn't even tell how many hostages they had but somehow magically knew this with confidence
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MayDayBeFourth 10 hr ago +7
Then wikipeida rights this with zero other source denying or challenging this, meanwhile entire paragraphs are devoted for a single sentence "debunking" any info not negative about Israel.
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Fluid_Drummer1665 1 day ago +1744
This just in: Jihadists don't respect human dignity. That mass-rapes happened on Oct. 7th is not in question, and anyone that does/ did question it did so because it makes protesting for Palestine kind of awkward if ***this*** sort of shit is what their ***"freedom fighters"*** get up to.
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ziptagg 1 day ago +1769
The people of Palestine deserve to have a safe, self-governed homeland, despite the fact that Hamas is a bunch of shitbag terrorists. Also, Jewish people around the world should not be harassed, threatened, injured or made to feel complicit for the genocide conducted by the Israeli government. Nothing about this situation is simple and anyone who thinks it is, is wrong.
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elbenji 1 day ago +460
This is it exactly. F*** Hamas and Bibi is always a response
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OptimisticSkeleton 23 hr ago +70
F*** the evil people brutalizing others. Nobody gets to point a blood soaked finger at the other guy. The people everywhere deserve better, regardless of lineage.
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Noughmad 21 hr ago
Unfortunately, it's not exactly this. Both Hamas and Bibi enjoy widespread support among their populations. Both were voted in. It would be great if you could point to 2 people and say they are responsible for the whole conflict, if we get rid of them, we'll all live in harmony. But it's not that simple. There are many civilians on both sides that support the war, and even use every chance they get to hurt and/or provoke the other side. And that's not something you can just fix.
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ibadlyneedhelp 1 day ago +144
Of course the sensible comment that recognises the nuances has all of the replies deleted lmao
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ziptagg 1 day ago +74
I’m used to it. People like to pretend things are simple.
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Elekabi 23 hr ago -16
What nuances? There is no genocide. Downvote away.
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lingeringneutrophil 23 hr ago +10
Of course not, there is a bloody war conflict but trying to explain the difference is difficult to those who hold onto their preconceived beliefs
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Big-Distance-80 21 hr ago +20
Why should they have a self-government? AS IS they have have taken every opportunity to kill Israelis and self-sabotage in any peace effort. Alot would have to happen before that became a reasonable proposition. No country in the world would agree to that.
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VoteBananas 18 hr ago +27
[People of Palestine themselves elected the shitbag terrorists to self-govern themselves. ](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_Palestinian_legislative_election) * the election was a close fight between two shitbag terrorist groups, both at over 40% * the third option at 5% was Marxist-Leninist flavoured terrorists * 3% were won by a group that only wants terrorism against non-civilians and supports a national unity government by top two terrorist groups * 3% were won by non-terrorists that still support a national unity government with terrorists * 2.4% were won by non-terrorists who want a peaceful resolution and a restoration of pre-1967 borders, when Israel was attacked by all its Arab neighbours (Egypt, Jordan, Syria, Lebanon and Iraq)
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FuzzyCub20 1 day ago +60
THANK YOU. Nuance seems to be lost in the age of misinformation and Russian botnets. You can both abhor Hamas and wish for the people of Palestine to not be genocided, and the fact that Israel of all nations is carrying it out is beyond the pale.
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FYoCouchEddie 23 hr ago +38
> You can both abhor Hamas and wish for the people of Palestine to not be genocided A genocide is only [an attempt to physically destroy a group itself.](https://www.un.org/en/genocide-prevention/definition). Genocide isn’t when 2% of an areas civilians are killed in over a year of urban warfare. That’s not even close to a genocide. > the fact that Israel of all nations is carrying it out is beyond the pale. No, the fact that Israel of all nations is being falsely accused of it is beyond the pale.
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141_1337 23 hr ago +43
There is not a genocide happening in Gaza...
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I_Am_Vladimir_Putin 21 hr ago +39
The slowest, most unsuccessful genocide of all time, by a country that has ability to get it done in one day...
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LoaderOperator98 23 hr ago +24
All true, except it's not a genocide.
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NextGur3758 21 hr ago
Israel didn't do a genocide. A self defense war by the IDF which targets terrorists is NOT a genocide.
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stonertear 1 day ago +393
Yep the supporters seem to ignore that this occurred and the ongoing violence from Hamas against their own people.
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Eazy-Eid 1 day ago +162
They don't just ignore it. They actively deny it and spread false narratives.
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Regemony 1 day ago +50
They just call it Hasbara and move on
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ShadeSilver90 23 hr ago +10
No not ignore,they are actually DEFENDING it saying " well even if it happens they are to blame for it happening"
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Ajaws24142822 18 hr ago +9
We can simultaneously condemn IDF actions while also not glazing Hamas and I feel like that’s somehow a f****** “hot take”
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Etherius 1 day ago +51
October 7 mass rapes are heavily contested by some people… Zohran Mamdani’s wife for example
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runnerup1 1 day ago +26
You can support Palestinian rights without supporting hamas. If you think that is radical we can go into how supporting Israel gets awkward when you see the actions of IDF and “settler” terrorists, or even the words/actions of their government officials. I’m not defending either sides awful deeds, but the idea that you can’t support a people being starved and bombed and terrorized and raped and having their land stolen over just because there are monsters in their midst is just asinine. And with a prolonged history of being subject to that by a much more powerful neighbor while the world watches and doesn’t act may cause a certain percentage of your populace to indeed turn into monsters. What is Israel’s excuse?
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goatsandtotes 20 hr ago +17
How do you support the Palestinian right to elect and be governed by hamas, without supporting hamas?
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Safrel 5 hr ago +2
The correct answer is that they aren't exactly having elections out there. From what I understand, the last election was in 1984 so arguably there is a low legitimacy to claiming that Hamas is The government supported by the people. Like for example, there's already the Palestinian authority which is different and competing in terms of governmental powers. So there's no legitimate government going on.
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scrambledhelix 1 day ago +84
> You can support Palestinian rights without supporting hamas. You *can*, but yet so many *don't*.
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greiton 1 day ago -2
I'll say the same thing that gets me voted down to oblivion when talking about Isreal invading gaza, you cannot judge an entire people by it's most extremist members.
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Fluid_Drummer1665 1 day ago +42
The Nazis were the most extremist Germans, we still had to go in and bomb them. Don't pretend like the poor Palestinians don't have any agency of their own.
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AwesomoApple 1 day ago +778
At this point you have to be a full on idiot/nazi to deny this.
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Automatic-Speed-2513 1 day ago +695
I saw a lot of stories from close friends in 2024 saying Hamas was taking really good care of the hostages, getting them cake for their birthdays and whatnot. I don't know why some people are hell bent on portraying Hamas as the epitome of empathy and compassion.
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Big-Distance-80 21 hr ago +20
Because they hate Jews. A lot of people talked about the Nazis in a similar fashion. Hell, they still do.
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throwawayaccount_usu 1 day ago +372
Because they can't fathom "two sides" mentality Anyone criticising both parties in a war is automatically defending the worse party in their eyes.
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MadeyesNL 1 day ago +205
Yeah they have to whitewash Hamas so there's a clearly good and a clearly evil party. They believe Israel used Apaches to kill their own people at Nova festival, the Hamas fighters who flew in were just coming because they like psytrance or something. They get their morality from Hollywood movies. Maybe that doesn't apply to the most complex conflict in the world.
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Paraparo 22 hr ago +24
There seems to be a group of people whose entire sense of personal morality rests on being on the **right** side. They are **good people** because they are in the **good guy** camp and the **good guy camp** has no bad people. If they recognize their own side has faults, then that isn't just an acceptance of human nature, that parties have faults, that not everyone in a group is perfect. It is a direct attack on their ego, as they can no longer hold **being on the right side** as proof of their own good standing, that they might actually themselves be **bad people** despite thinking they've the correct position.
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ShadeSilver90 22 hr ago +38
One problem with that birthday cake story. The guy who supposedly got the cake was one of the rescued hostages and he says it was a fake story. They actually neve grave him the cake and in fact after doing a propaganda the Hamas men ate the cake I front of him and mocked him
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lukwes1 1 day ago +114
For me this is the same as people defending their families having slaves because they were so nice to them. Like no, being nice to your hostage doesn't make you any less immoral.
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ahkian 1 day ago +42
They also weren’t nice to the hostages. Many of the hostages reported torture, execution threats, starvation and sexual violence after they were freed.
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sizz 12 hr ago +7
Taking civilians hostages is a war crime.
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maverickhawk99 1 day ago +38
Tankies gonna tank.
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NumeralJoker 22 hr ago +9
It's this, I think Netanyahu is committing war crimes at minimum while Hamas is also one of the most evil groups on earth, but none of that matters because all of this was just an excuse to destroy western democracies and get Trump elected for whatever reason (usually either bots/trolls, or blatant accellerationism). The fact that so many in the left fully buy into this narrative is incredibly disturbing, making them in essence as unhinged as MAGA in at least this one topic.
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xmuskorx 23 hr ago +43
then listnook is apparently full of idiots/Nazis go on literally any sub about socialism or Palestine.... and many others subs
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Aromatic-Toe-7672 22 hr ago +1
Listnook calls the right nazis for wanting secure borders and then supports people whos stated constitutional goal is the extermination of the jews
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xmuskorx 22 hr ago +14
"non-human is illegal.... except for Jews wanting to live in Jewish homeland...."
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PungKuFanda 13 hr ago +7
So a large chunk of listnookors and US university students?
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Putrid_Anybody_2947 15 hr ago +2
In the 1940s the german government commissioned a report which proved the conditions in the camps were humane. This post article cites a gov report. Would you trust the people doing the holocaust to be honest about it? If your answer is yes please buy my bridge
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Beautiful_Finger4566 18 hr ago +6
the people supporting Nazis and Hamas are closer than you think they're both anti-semites, afterall
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lilac-forest 23 hr ago +70
Ive debated so many people that flat out denied this shit and clearly never read the reports from the scene. The gaul of these people.
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Elliot-Fletcher 18 hr ago +25
I started sending Telegram videos from Hamas terrorists to friends, asking for an earnest refutation. Go figure, most people, “don’t want to watch that kind of violence, it’s traumatic.” Hm. You don’t say.
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mcmonky 18 hr ago +12
It was crystal clear from the Hamas videos that same day or next.
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Capn_Chryssalid 23 hr ago +35
Indeed, bloody French! (gall not gaul. Not meant to insult, I just thought the spelling mistske created an amusing turn of phrase)
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Rasputins_Plum 1 day ago +160
People denying this happened or dismissing it as irrelevant in the same breath will remain one of the most disgusting thing I've ever witnessed. I feel for the victims, their families, and the survivors of Nova that had to watch those horrors around them that day.
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Spirited-Print-1097 1 day ago +138
I taught in Gaza 50 years ago. Back then the residents of Gaza were various ethnic groups. Hamas is an Iranian backed militia fighting for Iran. They are perpetuating extremism and martyrdom and their credo is to not recognize Israel’s right to exist. They exploit religion to justify their violent behavior. Their cruelty is the reason for the destruction of Gaza. Sadly Trump lacks the intellectual ability needed to stop Iran from committing atrocities in the name of Islam in the region.
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Electrical_Engineer_ 23 hr ago +8
And who does have the intellectual ability?
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SemperMementoMori 20 hr ago +6
The collective capacity of many other previous administrations, for one. It's not a perfect world but tearing up the playback and acting willy-nilly is rarely a successful gambit outside of fiction.
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Over-Willingness-933 1 day ago +192
I wish the genocide claims were placed on Hamas and the authorities around Gaza. The act may have killed only 1300 people, the intent was genocidal. The people who should be in the dock should be UNRWA who allowed their schools to be terrorist factories.
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TheGodPePe 1 day ago +226
Can someone send this to Hasan Piker please!
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Otomuss 1 day ago +237
He knows what he's doing, he could sit and defend this all day anyways.
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kvikklunsjrevolver 12 hr ago +5
I’m not super familiar but he’s the guy that claimed he was a white non-Muslim, and then some time later he claimed to be a non-white Muslim. I’ve seen some stuff from him, I find it so odd how he has followers, and they claim to be leftists and socialists. The guy is an actual grifter.
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moonmelonade 1 day ago +193
Hasan "it doesn't matter if rapes f****** happened" Piker?
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HauntingStar08 22 hr ago +24
The full discussion he had is "it doesn't matter if rapes happened, that doesn't justify genocide" and he's right.
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Similar_Rapier_7596 17 hr ago
But that's still an evil thing to say. He could have phrased it, "It's horrible if raped happened, but that doesn't justify genocide." Then, at least, he wouldn't be dismissive of r***. Saying or even implying that "rapes don't matter" is a despicable attitude.
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Thoughtcriminal91 21 hr ago +14
I think you underestimate just how batshit insane he and his followers are. They won't listen or care.
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maverickhawk99 1 day ago +9
Also Mamdanis wife plz.
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lunarinterlude 17 hr ago +16
Anyone who supports or tolerates Hamas can f*** right off, honestly.
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Organic-Feedback1686 1 day ago +63
I can't wait for people to say that this is fake.
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Sagittariusrat 1 day ago -34
To be fair, the Jerusalem Post isn't that credible of a source
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zexaf 15 hr ago +7
Jerusalem Post is a biased source, but that doesn't make it not credible. It omits things that don't fit their narrative, but what it prints is factually accurate.
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Falernum 1 day ago +18
It absolutely is
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Tezzybear 23 hr ago +36
If it was the other way around and Palestine had the power and military Israel have do you think they would have had the restraint that Israel have had to not just obliterate and kill every last Jew/arab/christian/Atheist in Israel? And you know all of Palestine would be cheering, just like they did on 9/11 and Oct 7th.
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Moon_Rose_Violet 1 day ago +32
Is the purpose of this article counter programming to the Kristoff article from yesterday about Palestinian rapes by Israelis? 
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FYoCouchEddie 23 hr ago +56
You mean the one that claimed Israel trains dogs to r*** Palestinians? The fact that that was even published shows how deranged the New York Times is when it comes to Israel. But, anyway, this article is about a report that was just published today which people have been working on for two years (as the first paragraph of the article says). I don’t think people have been working on a report for two years in case someone made up a r*** dog story.
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MechaAristotle 23 hr ago +4
There's plenty of evidence and testimony about Isreali abuse of Palestinian prisoners, no matter how you try to downplay it here.
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FYoCouchEddie 20 hr ago +20
I’m not doubting that there is abuse in Israeli prisons. But there is zero substantiation for the allegations made there, and the dog tale one is facially bizarre enough that it should require significant evidence for anyone to take seriously.
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MayDayBeFourth 10 hr ago +4
nice move the goalpost
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Trumpsabaldcuck 17 hr ago +10
Two things can be true. 1.  Hamas committed r***, murder, and other atrocities on October 7th AND 2.  The IDF committed atrocities in response to October 7th.
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kvikklunsjrevolver 12 hr ago +6
No one is arguing that. But Hamas needs to be destroyed and removed from the surface of this planet.
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PlatformVarious8941 21 hr ago +10
So, can we just agree on the following facts : Both Hamas and Israel f****** suck and should be under international sanctions. They should be prosecuted if they commit any crime whatsoever. Israel has a right to exist and a right to self defence. Palestinians have a right to exist and should be allowed full self governance. Hamas should be disarmed, dissolved and tried for crimes against humanity. They are a plague. Apartheid-like governance of Israel is problematic. Just a look at the marriage laws in that country makes me wanna puke. The settlement situation in the West Bank is problematic and need to be fixed. Palestinians are being unduly denied freedom of movement under the guise of security and against international law The Apatrid status of Palestinians is unsustainable. Bibi and his government are a plague, should be prosecuted and dissolved. Hamas actions on October 7 and the following days/years constitute crimes against humanity and should be prosecuted. Israel started committing crimes against humanity on October 8th against the Palestinians in Gaza. Now, I would excuse a lot of those crimes if they seemed like they were made with the purpose of liberating the hostages. However, it really seems like Israel was using the hostages as a pretext to attack Palestinians. So, Government and military officials should be prosecuted for crimes against humanity if they committed said crimes. Israel is not « *the Jews* » and criticising the country *doth not equal* antisemitism. It’s baffling that no government has the balls to say anything of the sort. So there was my militant centrist position.
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Big-Distance-80 21 hr ago -2
Crimes against humanity? By stiking at a salafist jihadist geoup that kidnapped and butchered 1200 of their citizens? No country would just do nothing. And no, neither the US nor Israel intentionally targets civilians.
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PlatformVarious8941 21 hr ago +3
Just as a very quick example here : Blockades of food, water and fuel do constitute crimes against humanity. This happened in 2023 and was conducted by Israel. It is documented. (Edit: Collective punishments are crimes against humanity and/or war crimes. Both are proscribed in international Humanitarian Law. One might easily argue that cutting food, water and fuel to a civilian population due to the actions of a group within that population constitutes a collective punishment against that population.) Targeting of journalists and non-combatants can also constitute crimes against humanity and/or war crimes. Edit : There could be valid claims against journalists and certain NGOs. Sorry man, Israel sucks bad here. Hamas too.
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Big-Distance-80 17 hr ago +11
What youre doing here is taking a highly contested legal/military situation and presenting your preferred conclusion like its already settled fact. No, cutting off food, water and fuel does not automatically equal crimes against humanity. Thats not how international law works. Blockades and sieges are not inherently illegal. The legal questions are military necessity, proportionality, intent, humanitarian access, whether civilians were deliberately targeted as civilians, etc. Youre also framing this like israel randomly deprived gaza of resources that belonged to gaza. In reality, before october 7, israel itself was supplying gaza with electricity, water, fuel access, medical coordination, and transit for huge amounts of humanitarian aid. Pretty much all humanitarian aid into gaza transited through israelian-controlled crossings. Even after october 7, aid still entered through mechanisms coordinated by israel, egypt, the UN, NGOs, etc. So this idea that israel just imposed some total exterminatory blockade is not reality. And after Oct. 7, after Hamas carried out mass killings, kidnappings and attacks on civilians, israel was under no legal obligation to continue providing free utilities and unrestricted flows of material into territory controlled by the group that just attacked it. Thats the part your framing completely dodges. The collective punishment argument is also being framed dishonestly. It only works if you basically erase Hamas as an actual governing and military force embedded throughout civilian infrastructure in gaza. Hamas did not operate from isolated military compounds away from civilians. They embedded themselves in dense civilian areas, tunnels, schools, hospitals, apartment blocks, civilian infrastructure, all of it. That massively complicates siege warfare and targeting under IHL. You can absolutely argue some israeli actions were disproportionate, excessively destructive, or potentially unlawful. Thats a legitimate debate. But saying “it is documented” therefore crimes against humanity is advocacy language, not serious legal analysis. Same with the journalist point. Journalists are civilians unless directly participating in hostilities, yes. That does not mean every journalist death automatically becomes a war crime. In urban warfare where militant infrastructure is embedded throughout civilian areas, legality depends on intent, intelligence, proportionality, the specific circumstances of the strike, etc. Youre collapsing an extremely complicated legal and military situation into a slogan and pretending the law is simpler and more categorical than it actually is. You don’t know what you’re talking about and your bias is showing.
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Acceptable_Tea_3685 19 hr ago +1
I don’t know why, but my brain just thinks it’s a lot more cruel and savage to capture, r***, and mutilate enemy women than it is to create blockades of food, water, and fuel. Like I understand that both will result in death of innocents, but one just seems more civilized than the other? Like if I had to be locked in a room with the man who raped, mutilated, and murdered a woman or the man who made the decision to blockade food water and fuel, I’d choose the second guy any day.
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PlatformVarious8941 19 hr ago +3
Following that logic, the guy managing and setting up the train system to transport jews and other prisoners efficiently to Death camps during the Holocaust is more « civilised » than a soldier executing the good olde fashioned extermination of the Kwarezhmid Sultanate under the orders of Genghis Khan. Your perception is mostly because in one, it’s systematic and a consequence that is far away from the eye of the perpetrator, whereas the other one is less efficiently killing civilians by doing it one by one. Both are horrendous gruesome crimes, however. One is simply less overtly violent. Edit : replaced holocaust as concept to a more precise example
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Acceptable_Tea_3685 14 hr ago +3
I mean, would you rather be trapped with a man who has to kill you because it’s his job, but he doesn’t hold anything against you personally? Or would you rather be trapped with a man who truly believes he’s fulfilling god’s desires by ridding the world of scum like you? And that you are part of the reason for all the misfortunes that he and his people have ever suffered? And also he’s been sexually repressed his whole life and taught that r*** is the reward he gets for capturing you? I’m boiling it down to this because this is genuinely my interpretation of the two sides based on what I’ve seen and heard. I’m sure I’m wrong here but where am I wrong?
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PlatformVarious8941 14 hr ago +3
You are not wrong, one might it last longer for « shits and gigs ». But they are both scums in much different ways.
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Big-Distance-80 17 hr ago +2
The analogy fails because you're erasing intent and objective. The Holocaust rail system existed specifically to exterminate civilians. Civilian death was the goal. A wartime blockade against a hostile governing force after a mass-casualty attack is not automatically equivalent just because civilians suffer. International law explicitly distinguishes between intentional extermination of civilians and military actions that foreseeably harm civilians while pursuing military objectives. You can argue israel’s actions were disproportionate or unlawful. Thats a legitimate debate. But jumping from “blockade” to Holocaust comparisons is mostly rhetorical inflation. Youre also ignoring that israel supplied gaza with water, electricity, fuel access, and transit for humanitarian aid before october 7, and aid continued entering afterward through coordinated channels. Thats not remotely comparable to building transport infrastructure for industrial extermination. The psychological point about systemic violence feeling less visceral than direct brutality is fair. The Holocaust comparison isnt. Nice Holocaust inversion btw. You really are obsessed with Jews, aren’t you?
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burno_inferno 8 hr ago +3
Interesting that these stories are being pushed the day after the New York Times published a story about rampant sexual assault against Palestinian prisoners in Israel, including using dogs to race inmates...
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Korgoth420 16 hr ago +5
Because the media used this against Joe Biden, they buried the absolute horrors of Oct 7th.
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