The stock market is a real-life example of the “this is fine” meme right now.
855
TheBalzy1 day ago
+312
Yup.
Nothing has fundamentally changed in the supply chain or world events in the past 9 weeks since hitting $120/barrel, and yet everyone is pretending it's not real.
312
son_et_lumiere1 day ago
+272
This is what 2007 and 2008 looked like leading up to the crash. There was a big run up (looked like an acceleration curve). Then a steep drop off.
272
Black-Shoe23 hr ago
+109
Every f****** time.
109
lucid_green16 hr ago
+27
Why would Obama do this?!
27
Different_Victory_8916 hr ago
+11
Damnit Biden!
How much worse it would be I'd SHE was president!
/s
11
Sufficient-Dinner31912 hr ago
+2
Alot worse apparently
/s
2
GoodIdea32113 hr ago
+8
I know you're being sarcastic. And yet, it's crazy people still blame Obama for the financial crisis, when it happened before he was elected President.
8
DirtyTacoKid12 hr ago
+2
It always happens
Until of course...it doesn't
2
Pumpkins_Are_Fruits14 hr ago
+5
And idiots will sell and I’ll hold
5
Ok_Calligrapher_130616 hr ago
+5
Make sure u have capital on hand to be ready to buy the dip.
5
OsmerusMordax10 hr ago
+2
Great. I couldn’t have picked a worse year to start investing and building a nest egg.
2
Venat141 day ago
+80
Rich people aren't impacted by oil prices, and they control the stock market.
80
Inner-Conclusion297723 hr ago
+36
Yes, the rich have to park their hoards of wealth somewhere
36
fodeethal21 hr ago
+36
I have everything I need AND everything I want.... but how can I have more?
36
StaysAwakeAllWeek20 hr ago
+16
Rich people consume *shocking* amounts of fuel in their yachts and jets, and the vehicles their various servants drive on their behalf. Some billionaires have 7 figure annual fuel bills. They can afford it, but it definitely impacts them
16
HaximusPrime19 hr ago
+6
Yes but “impacts” means things like “reduced resiudual income from lower NetJets bookings”, which is just extra anyway.
When it starts impacting \_actual\_ investments is when it will matter.
6
Cephalopirate19 hr ago
+5
They care about those numbers even if it doesn't affect their lifestyle.
They are addicted to Cookie Clicker.
5
SpikyCactusJuice16 hr ago
+3
Rich person complaining about the trivial inconvenience of their fuel bill being multiple orders of magnitude more than any of us will ever see in our lifetimes: “Oh no, my diamond shoes are too tight :(
3
StaysAwakeAllWeek16 hr ago
+5
Absolutely. But they will complain about it. A lot. To the right people.
Nobody likes high fuel prices.
5
Steve_didit17 hr ago
+2
Absolutely nothing compared to shipping, a literal drop in the bucket
2
Mysterious-Tie703921 hr ago
+19
I could be totally off base (especially since it’s divorced from reality) but I believe the market’s going to crash hard & fast when it goes.
19
tryCharlie21 hr ago
+40
Easily. We are just before the biggest recession of our lives. Oil supply is looking worse than during the Gulf War and the late 70s and gallon to gallon losing one these days hurts more than then.
Buckle up. It may not be avoidable and we still have not recovered after Covid cause corporation thought that it is a great idea to turn up the greed meter and blame it on the inflation.
40
Durandal_Tycho18 hr ago
+7
Don't forget the AI bubble with all the overextended data center plans, and circular financing of AI industry and server components.
7
Woody_Guthrie190420 hr ago
+3
I actually think there is an unmeasured glut in the oil markets and we are over priced right now.
3
girlnamedJane23 hr ago
+7
Ponzi scheme
7
Initial_Brush_6420 hr ago
+2
The hormuz straight closed. That was a change in the supply chain.
2
TheBalzy19 hr ago
+8
No shit. The Strait is STILL closed btw, and refineries have been completely destroyed in the region or shutdown major production out of fear of being destroyed.
The supply change is STILL affected by the war in Iran. Nothing has changed.
8
rgvtim23 hr ago
+56
The magic of the 401k, IRA and 403b, every week, two weeks and month the stock market gets and infusion of capital on auto pilot. This creates and an upward pressure on the market.
56
Legitimate-Type438723 hr ago
+52
Some might even call it another forced wealth transfer from workers to owners.
Owners figured out how to eliminate their defined pension liabilities and transfer a significant portion of their workers income back to themselves with this one easy trick.
52
rgvtim22 hr ago
+38
This cements the stock markets place, as more people invest you cant let it fail, too many people hurt. That's part of what happened in 2008, that would have been a natural correction a lot of rich people losing everything, new opportunities for new folks to rise, but in part because so many people are invested in the market as their retirement savings we could not let that happen, and those at the top have their place cemented, they can't fail.
38
gehnrahl15 hr ago
+12
Had the government paid off all the mortgages instead of paying out banks our society would be in a much better place.
12
the_last_0ne22 hr ago
+9
How does a 401k transfer money back to the employer?
9
1369ic22 hr ago
+20
Before 401Ks became a thing, most big companies had to offer pensions. When they replaced pensions with a 401K (with some matching contributions from the company), it cut how much businesses had to put toward their workers' retirements. And since not everybody could or would take advantage of a 401K, the companies that did match some of their contributions didn't have to spend any money on those people. The more of a person's paycheck it takes them to survive, the more people stop contributing to a 401K, and therefore the less companies have to match.
20
Legitimate-Type438722 hr ago
+19
That’s only the direct savings for the employer.
It doesn’t account for the fact that the workers contributions also serve to juice the markets. The same stock markets that just happen to be majority owned by the same owners/employers.
19
janosslyntsjowls6 hr ago
+2
And any change to the market, such as congress passing a new law to clamp down on some nefarious actions by big investors, then the correction will overwhelmingly affect the workers' retirements more than the rich themselves. This incentivizes working class to vote against their own interests to protect the richest Americans.
2
nitrojunky2423 hr ago
+9
It's fine just invest in oil stocks bro and you will cash in. Another persons suffering is another fat dividend check and investment portfolio going up in value unfortunately. For while anyways.
9
Some-Band222523 hr ago
+10
The issue is that the US is comparatively insulated from the crisis, even though they started it. Creating global catastrophes causes capital to flee instability to the relative safe harbour of the US. People want to put money somewhere and a catastrophe makes the US more relatively appealing, not because it got better but because everything else got worse.
10
A_Shadow23 hr ago
+11
>People want to put money somewhere and a catastrophe makes the US more relatively appealing, not because it got better but because everything else got worse.
International stocks are doing better fyi. So that kinda puts your theory to shame.
VIIIX is 5.7% YTD
https://investor.vanguard.com/investment-products/mutual-funds/profile/viiix
VTPSX is 10.07% YTD
https://investor.vanguard.com/investment-products/mutual-funds/profile/vtpsx#portfolio-composition
Hell the Korean Market is up 88% YTD and they get about 70% of their oil through the Strait.
11
Kind_Silver_192121 hr ago
+10
To be fair Samsung had like 700% increase in profits
and for the US $750 BILLION is being invested in data centers for AI
AI boom is causing this
Trumps like the luckiest president in history. tariffs and wars etc. would normally have caused a recession by now if not for AI
10
Worth-Lead-594420 hr ago
+4
You're overlooking the impact of a declining dollar. The value of a portfolio loaded with foreign assets is going to rise in nominal dollar terms.
4
lifting_cardio23 hr ago
+9
The stock market right now is a real life example of a Ponzi scheme that is uninterrupted.
Dark pools make up close 45% of actual trading that occurs, if I recall. it isn’t done publicly which means there is no immediate impact on price.
Wait until those trades become realized.
9
UndoxxableOhioan23 hr ago
+39
The stock market is nothing more than a graph of rich people feelings.
39
EmotionalBag7771 day ago
+15
A truth social post will come out and all will be fine
15
garbagecan199223 hr ago
+5
why do you think that?
do you think the risk of the dollar losing value is lower than assets in sp500 doing so?
if everything is pumping the truth is that money is losing value
5
Halbaras19 hr ago
+4
It got 2022 wrong as well, and almost rallied back up to the all time high on hopes of a ceasefire which never happened. The 'war is bullish' crowd forget that we have an incredibly recent case study about what energy and fertiliser/food price shocks do to the global economy.
4
spazz72023 hr ago
+8
High oil is actually good for the stock market.
The market is no longer controlled by the spending habits of middle America…it is now operating on the spending habits of the top 5%.
8
lordpanda19 hr ago
+5
Considered an advance indicator but these days it looks more like a lagging indicator lol
5
TheBalzy19 hr ago
+2
I'm convinced it's just AI algorithms that take whatever is hitting on Twitter to make trades.
2
lordpanda19 hr ago
+2
There are many levels to it but measuring the buzz on social media is definitely a part of it.
2
nevans8923 hr ago
+2
Watch for the shorts though. Im pessimistic enough to see this admin rip funding away from orphanages to buy russian oil and f*** up OPEC just to bring it to $99 and make a killing THEN let it skyrocket again.
Disclaimer is im not an economist so that could be way wrong.
2
redditismylawyer10 hr ago
+2
“We’re going to make so much money off these stupid Americans haha lololol omg wtf!”
2
jjax200322 hr ago
+2
Since when does the stock market care about the actual reality? The stockmarket is about making money and siphoning money from the avg Joe to the ultra rich.
2
Fritzo216223 hr ago
+316
But that's down from $150, and $50 is half of $100, so some would say Trump slashed the price of oil by 50%!!!!
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Psychadelic_Potato22 hr ago
+129
What are you talking about??? It’s clearly a 500% saving!
129
SpiritualB0x320 hr ago
+8
They go by like this.. the increase from 100 to 150 is 1.5x or some people call it 150% so if you reduce it from 150 to 100 then you -150% decrease. This is literally what is known as lying through statistics (or false presentation of data).
8
[deleted]20 hr ago
+13
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Fritzo216220 hr ago
+2
Some say $400 and even $500!
2
Boys4Ever1 day ago
+232
Oil soon will out pace eggs and memory but we don’t care because we
Buy
Buy
Buy
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SUBLIMEskillz17 hr ago
+15
I don’t need eggs and memory, but I need gas to get to work
15
EnvironmentalYou483316 hr ago
+4
My bad, let me spend thousands I don't have because of gas prices to uproot my life entirely and live somewhere hours away with a functioning public transportation system
4
not_suddenly_satire23 hr ago
+275
By then we'll be used to $4+ gas so it will never go back down.
275
TThor22 hr ago
+82
Key thing to remember: 14 years ago cost of oil per barrel was similarly high, yet gas at pump cost a full dollar less.
We are actively getting fucked over for profit.
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Mountain_Top80217 hr ago
+20
Oil companies have always been f****** everyone over for profit.
They didn’t suddenly get extra greedy… they’ve always been greedy.
This is a result of supply and demand and a dumbass president who’s messing with the global market
20
willwork4pii15 hr ago
+4
Fucked over for a profit. Again.
None of this is new. History repeats itself yet everybody has shocked pikachu face when they’re taking it up the ass from the politicians.
4
mudratdetector8922 hr ago
+116
$4? Try $7. F*** this shit none of us pay the same amount.
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AgUnityDD13 hr ago
+8
The rest of the world has seen much greater increases on average, Pump price of Petrol and Diesel in US is artificially manipulated LOWER at the moment as you are burning through US reserves and suspiciously feeding the domestic market before exporting for better prices.
I used to work at Goldman when they manipulated Aluminum, a move that was equally brilliant and abhorrent, there are quite a few good models for how this will play out.
When other developed nations reserves are depleted (around June/July) and they become desperate and willing to pay way more, they have the money to outbid the US domestic market and THEN your pump prices will really skyrocket. Just in time for midterms. And even if Hormuz was completely open tomorrow (no chance) then the supply will not be fixed before the end of the year at the earliest.
Soon US public will start to feel the same pain the rest of the world does.
8
shamberra8 hr ago
+3
> Soon US public will start to feel the same pain the rest of the world does.
Good.
3
onthefence92823 hr ago
+60
This. People will budget around it and tell themselves “it’s not that bad” or change their life around it until they’ve forgotten the pain
60
moosekin1621 hr ago
+44
I don't know how Trump managed to do it, but I can fit more gas in my car now! Previously I could fit about 45 dollars of gas, now I can fit 70 dollars of gas. It's a miracle!
/s
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qtx21 hr ago
+10
It's not about regular citizens, it's about companies. Like you said normal people can sort of work around it but companies can't. They'll have to increase prices and/or lay off people.
People still expect their next day deliveries and stocked supermarkets after all.
10
imahugemoron19 hr ago
+3
By that point it gets too convoluted for Americans and they don’t know who to blame so they blame whoever they’re told to blame. While prices continue to soar.
3
smp50119 hr ago
+8
Not to mention the buffoon decided to water down our gas from E10 to E15, so we pay more, get worse gas mileage, and food prices step up even more!
8
awfulsome21 hr ago
+6
in the long run, there will be a gas glut because this shit is going to push EVs, hard. but the next 3-5 years is going to be hell, because getting EV infrastructure with the current admin is harder than getting RFK to pass by roadkill.
6
Mountain_Top80217 hr ago
+3
EV infrastructure is a lot less complex than people make it out to be.
If you drive less than around 40 miles per day, you can just charge on a normal outlet and be totally fine.
Those normal outlets already are everywhere.
And if you really need to, just top up at a super charger for road trips.
3
TrixnTim23 hr ago
+20
5$+ in my area. Filled up last night and it was awful.
20
iCantCallit22 hr ago
+20
yea $4.89 here in South jersey. I drive 35 minutes to work and took a big paycut last year to pivot and start work "in my dream scenario". not only do i absolutely hate the move i made to this field but i make $18/hr and its just not even worth the cost in gas to come here. Id rather walk to the target down the street from my house and make $17 an hour lol.
20
L3onskii22 hr ago
+8
5.65 in my area on the west coast. Won't be surprised if it reaches $6
8
TrixnTim21 hr ago
+2
Awful. I commute 100 miles total per day. And so have a strict budget for gas. 3 months ago I was elated to finally receive 2 days remote in my contract. Save on gas! Now this price increase that will not go away in my opinion crushed that savings. Iran destroyed oil refineries to choke hold petrol dependent America. Mission accomplished.
2
iDanzaiver22 hr ago
+6
Wish we had gas that c****. It's been over 10 bucks for past decade, spiked at probably 13-14 at worst times. Americans still have very c**** fuel :D
6
welmoe19 hr ago
+2
It’s going to rocket to $10/gal and dear leader will claim it a victory as he miraculously negotiates it down to $7. So much winning.
2
BlipBlapBloppityBoop22 hr ago
+142
I wonder if Americans will get more upset or they’ll just normalize to this abuse as well.
142
620five22 hr ago
+90
We americans are dense as f***. So we will just remain upset at Obama and Biden.
90
keintime21 hr ago
+38
GAS PRICES ARE HIGH! THANKS JIMMY CARTER!
yes we deserve this abuse
38
Villag3Idiot17 hr ago
+8
Both.
MAGA will be mad but still support Trump because the alternative is to lose their community and having to admit they were fooled.
Everyone else will be mad, but won't do anything and hope that the mid terms will do something.
8
willwork4pii15 hr ago
+3
Normalize. It’s pathetic.
3
Ocktohber14 hr ago
+3
It's already happening.
A coworker told me today "It is what it is." Can't do anything about it, so why fight at all.
And that's why *none* of this is going to change.
3
socialistrob19 hr ago
+4
In 2004 we saw incredibly high gas prices in the US and W Bush was reelected. I'm kind of skeptical that high oil prices automatically spells trouble for Republicans. Then again Trump has suffered about a 3% drop in his aggregate approval rating since the Iran war started and given how tight election margins are that's actually fairly significant.
4
loganro23 hr ago
+92
Meanwhile every company is pushing for RTO
92
drwhogwarts17 hr ago
+16
Exactly my first thought! At least in the US. I've read several articles lately about WFH making a comeback in Asia and Europe to offset the energy crisis.
16
LordTegucigalpa17 hr ago
+12
Who is pushing for RTO? Everyone already did that a couple years ago. Who is left??
12
Annual-Reason297021 hr ago
+27
we are off the cliff already, just waiting to see how deep the ravine is..
fertilizer hit is coming soon..
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socialistrob19 hr ago
+5
And the damage isn't just about prices. There are a lot of poorer countries that are barely holding things together as is and if we see big increases in food and energy costs they could become failed states which would prompt waves of refugees, increase security risks and cause more trade breakdowns.
5
VoddieMC21 hr ago
+17
So. Much. Winning.
17
Va1crist21 hr ago
+12
America voted for this … and America has a chance to start fixing it at the end of the year but sadly they won’t
12
L3onskii22 hr ago
+23
And oil companies will post record profits during that time as well
23
shit_happe21 hr ago
+18
Q1 profits are already out and they already made a killing, and that's just from the price boost in March. Full year profits will be astronomical.
18
discfunctional23 hr ago
+11
People will go broke just keeping there house at a survivable temperature this winter
Edit- I meant even more broke.
11
pistoffcynic22 hr ago
+37
Yes, Donald Trump and his band of merry idiots did this… all to distract from the Epstein files.
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jert318 hr ago
+6
Probably closer to the truth: Epstein's child sex abuse network was funded by Mossad for the purposes of blackmailing and compromising prominent elites, and Trump dove head first into that, and now was basically maneuvered into this war by Israel.
(Not pulling this out of my ass, many experts believe this to be the case.)
6
hakuryou6 hr ago
+2
Can you name/point to these experts?
2
5Gmeme23 hr ago
+18
So next year will be better! Right!?
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uber_poutine21 hr ago
+18
Honest question, when was the last time that you believed this? For me, it was probably 2020. Then there was The Great Unpleasantness™️, which was followed quickly by the concurrent financialization and enshittification of absolutely everything imaginable.
18
Grouchy-Donkey-860919 hr ago
+16
I dunno man.
2016, Pokemon Go release. I think humanity was never closer to world peace. Its been downhill from there.
16
5Gmeme20 hr ago
+7
I'm 46 and never. Like everyone I've watch last summer's high become the new year low. Year after year after year..
7
UnexpectedAnanas19 hr ago
+4
I think the enshitification started post 2010, but really took a nose dive in 2020.
4
Impossible-Flight25017 hr ago
+2
At least the job market was really good under Biden. The prices keep going up though.
2
JustAConfusedFella19 hr ago
+2
Better for the oil companies, yes.
2
poestavern23 hr ago
+8
Thanks for nothing you criminal trump…..👎👎👎
8
GuidetoRealGrilling23 hr ago
+5
Golden Age
5
MagicSPA18 hr ago
+7
**MAGA:** "High oil prices are GOOD now."
7
sten4523 hr ago
+3
Well yeah, oil companies like record profits
3
SUBLIMEskillz17 hr ago
+3
Meanwhile oil companies are at record profit
3
toolsnchains14 hr ago
+5
F*** Donald Trump
5
lonigus1 day ago
+30
Oil prices still relatively stable on 100 usd because USA is managing to balance the demand and ofcourse because many countries still substitute the shortages from their reserves. Like China or Japan to name two of the main players in Asia. It is way worse in other Asian countries, but still managable... For now. If it wasnt for the USA, the market would be way more "bullish" and prices would shoot up past 150 already. If this continues for more than a month better get ready for a global recesion in 2027. We will earn less, pay more for rent and food and the only question is by how much.
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FuggyGlasses1 day ago
+88
And if it wasn't for the USA the prices would be under 90 dollars.
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mankind_is_beautiful23 hr ago
+51
It was at 60
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Crypt33x23 hr ago
+16
Right at the mark where it wouldn't be profitable anymore for the US. mmh
16
Onphone_irl23 hr ago
+8
more specifically trump
8
Four_beastlings22 hr ago
+13
And everyone who voted for him, and everyone who was on enough with it not to vote. So, the US.
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tackleboxjohnson1 day ago
+49
A lot of refinery capacity in the middle east was destroyed. It ain’t getting better anytime soon.
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TrixnTim23 hr ago
+3
And that was purposeful in order to put a permanent choke hold on petrol dependence America.
3
higashinakanoeki1 day ago
+14
> We will earn less, pay more for rent and food and the only question is by how much.
Yeah well what else is new.
14
Neat-Attempt36811 day ago
+12
Honestly lol, this is what the rest of my life feels like it’s destined for.
12
ActivatingEMP23 hr ago
+6
It's stable in the sense that the road off a cliff is stable. We've got 2 months to either fix the strait or shed almost two pandemics of oil demand
6
socialistrob19 hr ago
+2
> We've got 2 months to either fix the strait or shed almost two pandemics of oil demand
I just don't see the situation getting resolved in two months. Iran is hurting economically but even the most pessimistic (from their POV) estimates generally say they can last at least 3 or 4 more months.
Opening it up sooner than that would either require the US to agree to a lot of Iranian demands or alternatively to go back to fighting options and try to force it open militarily.
2
son_et_lumiere1 day ago
+4
What happens when the reserves run dry?
4
Spanklaser23 hr ago
+19
There's been talk in the oil sector that US tanks might hit bottom by July 4th (ironic). It's a very real possibility that the US faces a fuel shortage that makes the 70s look like a joke. I'm talking empty grocery stores and empty gas pumps all over rural America. I hope it doesn't get to that, but I'm not seeing any action to prevent it.
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hakenwithbacon21 hr ago
+8
Rural America did vote for this tbf
8
socialistrob19 hr ago
+2
It also depends on what level of actions the US is willing to take to address domestic shortages. For instance if the US banned exporting oil then that would go a long way to prevent 70s style shortages in the US. On the other hand the economy is global and effectively removing the US and much of the Middle East from the global oil markets would absolutely devastate other countries which would in turn impact the US.
2
stugautz23 hr ago
+5
Welp looks like everyone is going to work from home this summer. Zoom calls on the patio.
5
Old_Ladies22 hr ago
+10
A lot of people will lose their jobs.
10
redpandafire23 hr ago
+4
we haven;t been in a recession for two years already?
4
stonertear23 hr ago
+3
Not officially - ATH's actually.
3
redpandafire23 hr ago
+8
man that's whack. Everything costs too much to make. Demand is too low to sell it. The only buyers are already wealthy corporations. This last 2 years are the year of "f*** the average consumer".
8
NickelFish13 hr ago
+3
Woo Hoo! The billionaires will be so happy!
3
rimshot9923 hr ago
+4
Thanks America.
4
C1andestino23 hr ago
+4
Prices down on day one! Thanks a bunch MAGA!
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_groovesharkmalone23 hr ago
+5
Congrats, we all got Trumped!
5
AdAppropriate679519 hr ago
+2
And then above $200 next year
2
Wildest1219 hr ago
+2
I fuckin love paying 2$ a litre hell ya
2
apeTrader17 hr ago
+2
US needs the prices above 60, so they are happy with the results of the invasion
2
despenser41211 hr ago
+2
Prices are up because our billionaire pedophile president doesn't want to be a man and face the Epstein files. So he starts a hissyfit war that he and his administration can't fully explain. Which is also costing us billions.
2
tilucko23 hr ago
+4
And the most obvious yet pretending to be shocking yet also demoralizing headline goes to...
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No-Guess-46441 day ago
+11
I hope so. I wanna see 6 bucks a gallon sustained.
Folks would drive less, transition to more efficient vehicles, buy more EVs and pollute less.
Power companies would install more renewables.
And things like electric semis may begin to be used by some companies if their use enables them to bid much lower to ship stuff.
Then folks will f*** up the earth less.
Also people will get fed up, be angry and vote against the US becoming a fascist shithole. The orange assholes stupidity can wreck his plan of dismantling our democracy and he can be voted out due to folks being pissed they can’t afford shit.
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Patsanon121223 hr ago
+38
Upto 70% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck. Many also live in places without bike infrastructure or strong public transit.
High gas prices are a strong incentive to make changes, but many, many people cannot make those changes and will just be crushed.
Your point is isn't without merit, but it does sit in an ivory tower.
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Old_Ladies22 hr ago
+8
Yeah it would have to take government intervention to ease the pain. Remember during the great depression the government put a bunch of people to work. We would need something like that again and this time putting those people to work building renewables and battery infrastructure and building homes and EVs and charging network. The US is too far right wing to do something sane like that though.
8
invisible3222 hr ago
+5
The people most affected will disproportionately be the people who voted for the party responsible for it, at least.
5
WigglyLimpo23 hr ago
+6
No.
Thanks to Ford, this is not a country where you can really viably survive without a car. It's just a huge car park with some stores and houses dotted throughought. So, no, people will never just "drive less" unless everything gets locked down again.
Unless EVs are made substantially cheaper and you can somehow convince large swaths of people who doggedly defend gasoline cars to make the switch, not enough people would make said switch.
Gas could be $10 a gallon and nobody would change their driving habits, they'd just pay whatever the gas price is because it's easier to do that than change their routine. It's why gas prices are at an all time high and people are driving more than ever.
This also shows that there's really not an incentive for gas to ever be below what it's at now; people will pay it and just look the other way. Why would it ever go back down?
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Grmpybear31 day ago
+20
I dislike that I agreed with what you wrote because of the suffering it will inflict.
But expensive lessons are the ones most often remembered
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Venat141 day ago
+35
This is America, with one of the dumbest voting populations on Earth. We could have $15 a gallon gas, and people could be spending $1000 a week for groceries, and half the country would still vote Republican. Nothing will be learned, I 100% guarantee it. The myth that Republicans are good for the economy will persist, despite Republicans always destroying the economy.
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knefr23 hr ago
+7
I feel like some of them also just…enjoy seeing other people suffer.
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hakenwithbacon21 hr ago
+2
No, they're just bigots.
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The_Aztecks23 hr ago
+6
People did not learn from Covid. This will be no different I fear.
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Za_Lords_Guard_0123 hr ago
+8
> But expensive lessons are the ones most often remembered
Easy to say when you're not the one doing the suffering.
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WillDigForFood1 day ago
+4
EV purchases in most of Europe are already up 50%. In most countries with large automobile markets they're up dramatically, actually.
The US is the sole exception, because the administration is doing next to nothing to help incentivize their sales (beyond making owning an IC vehicle more expensive) - but even there, rentals and leases of EV's are up dramatically, and the cheaper secondhand EV market is going through the roof.
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glmory22 hr ago
+4
Even in the US EV usage has gone up dramatically over the past decade and is in no way negligible. The slowdown from Trump won't delay the transition more than a year or two.
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Intrepidy17 hr ago
+2
I guess the poor should just starve and freeze then?
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Venat141 day ago
+4
I think we'd have more EVs if they were more affordable and reliable. Cars in general are just way too expensive these days and EVs are typically very expensive for a decent one.
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No-Guess-46441 day ago
+7
Chevy equinox is 30k new.
I don’t know what you’re meaning with reliability. Theres like.. no maintenance. No oil changes. Brakes last 150k miles.
Plug it in. Drive it. Change tires and wiper blades.
You can get mustang mach Es used for under 20k
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IamAkevinJames23 hr ago
+5
I get just over 20k a year on disability. So I'm stuck with my old truck. I'm not allowed to have over 2000 in my account either unless I want to report and take a hit on the benefits I get.
Also no one will give me a loan to do so either. So to me having an electric vehicle is nothing but a pipe dream.
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Venat141 day ago
+4
Reliability in terms of concern over distance and having somewhere to charge. I know you typically charge at home, but I've heard concerns from people who are worried about long drives and not having access to a charger that keeps them away from pure EVs. They typically go with Hybrids in that case.
30,000 is a lot for a car considering how insanely bad the economy is and tens of millions of people are being laid off.
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No-Guess-464423 hr ago
+3
Buy used. Most people don need to buy new cars. Used EVs are c**** as f***.
Most people aren’t road tripping every day. They doing work and groceries.
There’s a ton of chargers. Download “a better route planner” enter a to and from. It plots you a route from your location to anywhere with charging included. Also the supercharger network is opened to most cars now so that’s even more.
Most people shouldn’t buy new cars. Used EVs are c**** as f***. Like late model cars for very affordable.
And if folks still can’t do that, trade in gas guzzlers for a civic. Or a whatever. Too many SUVs and trucks.
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Maverick12823 hr ago
+2
*For the rest of the Presidency ftfy
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N9131216 hr ago
+3
So far it was kinda amusing to see americans get what they voted for, but now it's getting annoying
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Traditional-Look883923 hr ago
+1
Not if a truth social post along with a pump and dump scheme have anything to say about it!
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MD90__23 hr ago
+1
How long til it hits over $200 a barrel?
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mca116923 hr ago
+1
go ahead, it will be the best sustained PR for electric cars and against the incompetent and out of touch GOP leadership we have seen in years!
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meleecow23 hr ago
+1
Better give me a pay raise so I can afford to get to work....
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Joenoob86422 hr ago
+1
Grrrrrrrrrr
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nickelundertone22 hr ago
+1
Good. Voters meed to remember the pain Trump is causing when they go to the polls
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frank193421 hr ago
+1
Yay
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JeffreyDonaldMusk21 hr ago
+1
Americans in red states still gonna vote red?
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BritishAnimator21 hr ago
+1
And now we are all driving like grandma used too.
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Certain_Event55821 hr ago
+1
32 million an hour in windfall profits. Will make stay that way
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lm28ness21 hr ago
+1
Nope - it will be a sine wave, as trump will pump and dump all the way to the bank for his friends and family.
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Alert-Notice-751621 hr ago
+1
Well f***
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RagsZa21 hr ago
+1
RIP interest rates.
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LezBreal8720 hr ago
+1
In the most backwards move ever, Trump might just be better for global warming then previously led to believe as we all start walking, riding bikes, and taking public transport just to not become homeless.
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itchylol74220 hr ago
+1
https://www.marketwatch.com/investing/future/cl.1 Oil futures are $83.38USD in Dec 2026. Why don't they show they believe what they're saying by proving that they've bought a bunch of oil futures?
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Stiggalicious20 hr ago
+1
The longer oil remains high like this, the more and more people will turn against Trump and the Republican Party.
If the war ends shortly and oil quickly goes back down, that gives Trump a way to say “look at me and how quickly I made oil come back down in price” and people will go back to the status quo because people have a memory span of about 2 months.
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smashingcabage20 hr ago
+1
Energy prices will remain unstable while the US destabilizes the Middle East with war
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ChiknBreast20 hr ago
+1
Stock market is so entirely disconnected from reality it's crazy
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Grand_Public20 hr ago
+1
All caused by one crazy person voted in by even more crazy and not right in the head people
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scubachris20 hr ago
+1
The industry is prepping for $150-200/barrel for oil. We are looking at, operational reserve minimum , where they will not be able to refine oil.
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