The coverage of this is spotty, but the law has been a draft for a while, but was just signed into law today by Zelensky.
https://itd.rada.gov.ua/billinfo/Bills/Card/25585
Here's an older BBC article that covers the law when it was first brought to parliament.
https://www.bbc.com/ukrainian/news-58649173
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MeringueComplex50353 days ago
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Im sure this comment section will be totally normal and sane
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Smugg-Fruit3 days ago
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It's a shame, because the details of the law are actually interesting, especially why it took so long to be signed.
https://www.bbc.com/ukrainian/articles/c4g443jgjx8o
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smltor3 days ago
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I am not sure I can drink enough to tolerate it or join in...
Might go have a nice snooze.
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PeterServo3 days ago
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And the responses will be polite and balanced.
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GreatBayTemple3 days ago
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When it involves Israel it's sort of impossible for it to ever fall into the category of normal or sane.
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Impressive-Glass-6423 days ago
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Zelensky and Israel on the same post. The bots are going crazy as we speak
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BadMuthaSchmucka3 days ago
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Good. My ancestors were forced to leave Ukraine because of antisemititism(pogroms) in the 1890s. I wonder what Zelensky's family story was and how they were able to remain, must have been tough.
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Thefivedoubleus3 days ago
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You really don't have to go that far back. There were about 500,000 Jews in Ukraine just before the Soviet Union collapsed.
Now there are about 30,000. The vast majority left because the situation wasn't so great for them.
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sofixa113 days ago
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>Now there are about 30,000. The vast majority left because the situation wasn't so great for them.
I know a couple, they left because Israel provided an easy path to residency with drastically better living conditions.
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Thefivedoubleus3 days ago
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It takes more than a pull to get that much of a community to leave. There was a push as well; rampant institutional antisemitism. They would have left earlier but the Soviet Union generally didn't let people leave.
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jimmylogan3 days ago
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Your comment may be read as if the situation got significantly worse for jews in Ukraine AFTER the fall of the Soviet Union. That is simply not the case. Most moved simply because they were finally able to. Iron curtain and all that. It was very difficult to leave before the ‘90s. Anecdotal example from my family but the experience was pretty universal during the Soviet times. My dad was told a jew would never set foot in the local med school as long as the provost was alive. This shit came from the top aka Moscow. After Ukraine gained independence no one cared about him being jewish. He still lives in Ukraine, speaks Russian, is still jewish, and no one harasses him outside of an occasional denazifying missile or shahed here and there.
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purple_spikey_dragon3 days ago
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They left after the Soviet Union collapsed because they weren't allowed to before. Everyone who managed to leave before it collapsed did their best to do so. My husband's grandmother lived there during the Holodomor, they went from having 3 fields to one, and even that one was constantly robbed. And even after it it didn't get any better. The moment they got the green light to leave, she took her husband and children and looked for the first chance to leave the place.
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Druncle_Stevie3 days ago
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There were many that left before the collapse because it was one of the few approved immigration paths out was to declare being Jewish and that you want to emigrate to Israel.
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Thefivedoubleus2 days ago
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From the entire Soviet Union, 300k Jews left during the 70ish years of Communism.
After 1991, about 1.8 million left in one decade.
It's quite a difference of scale.
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BadMuthaSchmucka3 days ago
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Yeah, many of them moved to my area too.
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Thefivedoubleus3 days ago
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Where is that?
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BadMuthaSchmucka2 days ago
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North East Philadelphia area
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GateDeep32823 days ago
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Mine as well. Fled to Argentina and led pretty good lives.
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thotuthot3 days ago
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Che, boludo!
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crispdude3 days ago
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Mine fled Poland to Argentina. Failed horrendously to keep up a farm then came to the US
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urielsalis3 days ago
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Same for mine!
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Ultra_Metal3 days ago
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Same with my ancestors. My great grandfather was kidnapped by the Tsar's forces in the early 20th century during a pogrom against his tiny Jewish village (somewhere in either Ukraine or Moldova). He was imprisoned in a camp in Siberia for a while. Eventually he was released and the first thing he did was go home to his wife and tell her it's time to leave Russia. They ended up in Argentina, as far away from Russia as they could get.
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Happy_Feet3333 days ago
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Same here. My family fled from Chernihiv and Poltava.
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sofixa113 days ago
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>My ancestors were forced to leave Ukraine because of antisemititism(pogroms) in the 1890s.
Just a note for anyone not aware, this was under the Russian Empire that did a few rounds of pogroms all around the country.
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ThePickleConnoisseur3 days ago
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Mine did it around the Sam time too
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MyHobbyAndMore33 days ago
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probably the smartest decision in their life given what happened to the jewish population after german invasion in 1941
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NegevThunderstorm3 days ago
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glad they made it out
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EnhancedWithAi3 days ago
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Hey man, I dont know you but I want to tell you. Im not a jew however I am your ally and always have and will be. And I fight antisemitism with vigor every time I experience and see it.
Im not alone ill always be there for you guys.
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BadMuthaSchmucka3 days ago
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Thanks dude! We all appreciate it so much! It means so much.
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bestestopinion3 days ago
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Same
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GENERALVONDEATH3 days ago
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Twitch streamers don't approve of this
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Amathyst75643 days ago
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Since Hasan was pro Russia and pro Iran, he's going to go apeshit.
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Seeker-N73 days ago
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Shocking relevation. Back to you, Kaya.
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Boltboys3 days ago
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This is a good thing.
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DaHomieNelson923 days ago
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Not for the bots tho
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Boltboys3 days ago
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Ship them to Palestine.
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Captain-Starshield2 days ago
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Why does there need to be a law specific to antisemitism? Why not have harsh punishments for any kind of hate crime?
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Longjumping_Belt_4053 days ago
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The bots will now have to explain why this is bad but russias criminalization of it is based and trad acksually
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Superest223 days ago
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I’m sure people will have the nuance to appreciate that Zelenskyy is doing this from a realist perspective to have it noted as a significant event and newsworthy, thus increasing likelihood of Israeli and therefore US support.
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P4cer03 days ago
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>likelihood of Israeli and therefore US support
Oof
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Stable_Orange_Genius3 days ago
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>likelihood of Israeli and therefore US support.
They couldn't care less. They have their own agenda, they don't care about the rest
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dev-ai3 days ago
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Except that when they strike Iran, they indirectly help Ukraine. For example, the Israelis recently bombed a Caspian port trying to break up the Russia-Iran logistic corridor there
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wowlock_taylan3 days ago
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You know this Iran war actually HELPED Russia right? Those Oil price hike literally gave Russia so much money.
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dev-ai3 days ago
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During the war, yes, oil price hike helps Russia. But if Iran falls, it will be a disaster for Russia.
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Ultra_Metal3 days ago
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Zelensky is also doing it because it's the right thing to do. Zelensky isn't the type of leader who only considers realpolitik. He's a good person too and that factors into his decisions.
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King_Scorpia_IV3 days ago
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Watch the tankies and fascists get butthurt over this. Slava Ukraini, Common Zelenskyy W
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Ultra_Metal3 days ago
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Hatred of Jews is the one issue that unites fascists and communists.
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Aoimoku913 days ago
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Which is funny because, before 1945, being a communist or a socialist was the only way to join a party without (too many) anti-Semites.
This encouraged the far right to claim that Marxism was a Jewish conspiracy, which in turn led other Jews to support Marxist parties, which led other conservatives to say that...
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ArchitectNebulous3 days ago
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Common Ukraine Win.
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Randomnesse3 days ago
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Ahh, it's fun to see yet another thread deteriorate into arguments between closeted antisemites and normal people! /s
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zonzon19993 days ago
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Some of them are not that closeted
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RazzleThatTazzle3 days ago
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Seems like you could have a "dont discriminate based on religion" rule, and not give a special carve out to one specific religion.
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EasyMode5563 days ago
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Suddenly everyone likes to play "all lives matter" when it comes to antisemtism, but would never even think of applying that same standard to biggotry against other minorities.
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David_Ign3 days ago
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Judaism is an ethnicity as much as it is a religion
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gankindustries3 days ago
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Correct. They are an ethnoreligious group similar to the Druze or Sikhs
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ThePickleConnoisseur3 days ago
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Until it doesn’t help someone’s argument against Jews. Then they separate the two
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Beautiful_Bag67073 days ago
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Jews never separate the two. 90% of Jews also don't separate Israel from the equation. The homeland of the Jewish people, and Jews are in fact a people, is Israel. That is woven into every aspect of Judaism whether you're religious or not. Athiest Jews (and there are many) ascribe to that without religion. It is estimated that 8.5-9M of the whopping 15M global Jews are either secular or non-religious. As many as 3.5M are estimated to be fully athiest.
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ThePickleConnoisseur3 days ago
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I know many people who don’t practice at all yet the culture and the big holidays still play a key role. As I recently heard this Passover “It only takes one experience to remember who your people is and to re-establish your identity”. No other religion would someone who hasn’t been to a service in two decades be considered equal to one who has every week
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CuriousButNotJewish3 days ago
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And there is a reason for "next year in Jerusalem"...
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TheGazelle3 days ago
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There is, but I suspect most non Jews probably don't get that it's not really about the *literal* Jerusalem.
The Haggadah was put together centuries before Zionism was even a twinkle in anyone's eye, but centuries *since* Jews had become a diaspora people.
Saying "next year in Jerusalem" isn't about literally hoping to go to the city of Jerusalem in the state of Israel. It's about hoping for a future where the Jewish people can be *together* again. "Jerusalem" calls back to the time of the temple, when it was the center of Jewish *life*, and it should thus be understood as a desire to return to a time when the Jewish people were all together, and not forcibly spread out.
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ShotStatistician79793 days ago
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It’s both.
There’s a lot of Jewish theology pre-Herzl that talks about Jews returning to literal Tzion/ Jerusalem and there were numerous times throughout history when entire communities either moved, or tried to move, to Jerusalem from all over the Jewish world pre-modern political Zionism.
I’m not sure who taught you it wasn’t about literal Jerusalem, but they weren’t really telling the truth.
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royi97293 days ago
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There's a grotesque saying, "we all smell the same coming out of the chimneys", regarding how antisemites don't differentiate between Jews whether they're religious or not, so we shouldn't do that either.
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Ultra_Metal3 days ago
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Yep. I'm a secular Jew who supports Israel because it is the indigenous homeland of the Jews and a liberal democracy. I support native people having sovereignty over their own homelands and I support democracies. Religion does not factor into my support for Israel at all.
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sofixa113 days ago
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>I support native people having sovereignty over their own homelands and I support democracies
Then you should know the vast majority of inhabitants of modern Israel are not native to the region in any sense of that word. Check the last Ottoman census for the province of Palestine, Jews were a tiny minority. Migration started after WWI, accelerated in the interwar period, and was turbocharged after WWII.
And no, a people being from a region doesn't make them "native" to it after 2000 years outside of it. Otherwise everyone is native to everywhere - Hungarians to Central Asia, Bulgarians to half of European Russia, Arabs in Iberia, etc etc etc.
And yes, Israel has a right to exist. But not because the millions of people who migrated there after WWII are magically "native" to it.
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Beautiful_Bag67073 days ago
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>Then you should know the vast majority of inhabitants of modern Israel are not native to the region in any sense of that word.
65% of Israelis have zero European ancestry.
Most Ashkenazi Jews are genetically from the Levant.
>Check the last Ottoman census for the province of Palestine, Jews were a tiny minority.
Why? Do you think that was a natural occurrence or by design? The dhimmi, subjugated Jews (and Christians) were under population control throughout Ottoman lands. Jews were a forced minority. You can't keep Jews from a place and then say "they're really not from this place".
A fairer population audit would be to share that Jews were the higher population in Jerusalem (>50%) and the area that is now Israel, West Bank, and Gaza had a total population of just 600k in 1900. We know the Jewish population went from 50k to 600k mostly by immigration and most consisting of Jewish *refugees* fleeing persecution and death (>100k Jews were murdered in Russian pogroms before the Holocaust). We also know the Muslim population went from <500k to 1.4M (yes, more than *trippled*!), yet people like to pretend that's all birthrate. In 47 years. Sure, Sure.
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Ultra_Metal3 days ago
+2
Everything you said is false. Jews have the right to return to their ancient homeland and have their own independent state so that they can defend themselves against the antisemitic criminals who want to murder them.
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LateralEntry3 days ago
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It’s worth doing when that one religion is the subject of more hate crimes than all other religions combined.
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Raulr1003 days ago
+93
Yeah they've literally been one of the go to targets for thousands of years. You could erase the Holocaust from history and they would still be one of the most persecuted ethnic groups.
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BabaRoomFan3 days ago
+43
All lives matter ass comment
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Teletzeri3 days ago
+99
Just here to add to the pile-on because you deserve it for this weak-ass shit.
One more time for the kids at the back: Jews are an ethnoreligious group.
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PiperPeriwinkle3 days ago
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> Seems like you could have a "dont discriminate based on religion" rule, and not give a special carve out to one specific religion.
"All lives matter"-ass response.
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Careless-Vehicle-2863 days ago
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If it was every religion then he'd say:
"Seems like you could have a "don't discriminate based on any segregated group" rule, and not give a special carve out to religions.
But I think Ukraine is doing this specifically right now to strengthen ties with Israel against the Iran-Russia alliance.
Either way it's a good thing.
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expectingthexpected3 days ago
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You’re a big “all lives matter” person aren’t you?
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TheFrickinThrowAway3 days ago
-6
Oh boy here we go…
This is some all lives matter bullshit
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Not_To_Smart3 days ago
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Was BLM advocating to enact race-specific laws?
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Caspica3 days ago
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Weren't they advocating actions and punishment based on the target's race? They definitely advocated for black separatism/racial segregation.
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Not_To_Smart3 days ago
+22
The entire thrust of BLM and their protest is rooted in the fact that police were discriminating against African Americans in spite of existing laws.
They werent saying "we need new laws that outlaw racialized police violence" they were saying "police are breaking the law and need to be treated like regular citizens and punished accordingly".
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Caspica3 days ago
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That's certainly not all BLM were saying. It was the very foundation the movement was built on, yes, but it was not what it was restricted to when people asked what changes BLM proposed to accomplish their goals.
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Not_To_Smart3 days ago
+5
My 2 sentence comment really didn't cover the entirety of the specific goals of a massive, decentralized, decades-old movement? My bad.
Point still stands though. They were not by and large advocating that new race-specific laws be adopted to handle discrimination.
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Alternative-Put-39323 days ago
+8
No? It was to highlight discrimination by law enforcement and never advocates for separatism wtf are you talking about. Weird ass fucks.
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Caspica3 days ago
+6
BLM advocates absolutely proposed black separatist solutions to accomplish their goals.
It's the problem with decentralised organizations though: when you claim no single person speaks for the entire movement then every single person also speaks for it. That's why the social rights movement was so successful and BLM wasn't.
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smithdog2233 days ago
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All the bots responding to you with the exact same comment lol.
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RazzleThatTazzle3 days ago
+5
Yeah, did you know that this is a black lives matter ass comment?
Thanks for saying something, I felt like I was going crazy
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Schuperman1616163 days ago
+2
So that's what this was about. Got it.
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Magerfaker2 days ago
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In a country with a troubled past of antisemitic violence and far right groups, this seems like a sensible choice
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Love-for-everyone3 days ago
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Popcorn out and ready for listnook
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Fluffy-Mix-51953 days ago
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And still they celebrate Bandera and Azov battalion.
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Poonis53 days ago
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Azov isn't a battalion.
It's a brigade. A great one. Law abiding.
Their reputation in Ukraine is so good Chief Rabbi recorded a video congratulating them on their birthday.
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Red_black_flag_073 days ago
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"20 rubles"
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Fluffy-Mix-51953 days ago
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So you call this a lie?
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Red_black_flag_073 days ago
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~~"40 rubles"~~ "3 rubles"
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ThatUsrnameIsAlready3 days ago
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> “A strong state is one where the dignity of every person is respected."
\- chief rabbi, Moshe Azman
Would you please tell that to Israel?
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BANKSLAVE013 days ago
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"Your opinion is now illegal."
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PleaseStayStrong3 days ago
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This man is genuinely one of my favorite people in this world.
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w1nt3rh3art3d3 days ago
+1
I bet you are not Ukrainian
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Poonis53 days ago
+5
I'm Ukrainian, I love this guy.
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Ultra_Metal3 days ago
He is the greatest world leader currently in power.
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kevin402can3 days ago
+3
Religion keeps demanding special protection while refusing to play by the same rules as everyone else. That double standard is exhausting.
I don’t have an issue with people practicing their beliefs privately, but once religion starts influencing laws, education, or public policy, it deserves the same level of scrutiny and criticism as anything else. Too often, it gets a free pass under the banner of “respect.”
What frustrates me is watching governments pass laws around religious sensitivity while real human rights issues are treated as secondary. If we’re going to legislate morality, it should be based on universal human rights—not religious doctrine or political convenience.
If religious institutions want tolerance, they need to show it first—consistently, and not just when it benefits them.
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maxofJupiter13 days ago
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Have you tried hating Jews more? Thats a good inoculation against logic
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Ultra_Metal3 days ago
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Zelensky is the greatest world leader currently in office. He is an example for all to follow.
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