Operations Epic Fury / Roaring Lion Megathread

Israel is exactly the same terror. Exactly the same murdering of kids. Exactly the same raping of women and men. Exactly the same shit. That’s why people hate on Israel because the government murders kids rapes women for fun takes peoples houses and makes the person who was robbed pay a fine for being robbed while they continue murdering everyone next door.  I love Muslim people  I love Jewish people I love people  What I fuckin hate are murderers and rapers, wealthy thieves and privileged snakes, they can all go to hell

Israel you say? .. *hate* you say? .. How could *anybody* hate a regime that carries out double tap operations to make sure they murder the medics who\`ve responded? ..i mean who? ..*who* could hate them? .. Who could hate the people who have carried out a genocide of 37,000 innocent Men Women & Children ..& theye still adding to that i add, i mean who? .. I mean who could *really* hate the Israeli\`s for that? I mean sure whats 37,000 innocent lives when it keeps Bibi out of jail. It would be unfair to send Netanyahu to the International criminal courts to stand trial for war crimes, *because* sure.. Bibi suffers ADHD, he wouldnt be able to follow the trial because of attention deficit, I mean yea.. he murdered 37,000 innocent people but his mind was on other things because he\`s got ADHD1 ffs! I mean what sort of hater *is* it.. that would hate someone suffering ADHD? 37,000 innocent people is nothing when you think that 7,111,504 died from Covid & Netanyahu was nearly *one* of them! ..He came so close to dying he nearly wrote a *will!* Who could hate a Man who\`s nearly last earthly action was to make sure his family was provided for, its not as though theyre rich or something. *Yea,* i hear you! What about the 1000,s of alleged *rapes?* Well so what i mean nobody died right? Ok .. a few ..So? But what about Israelis live on camera openly protesting for the right to r*** their own prisoners? (google it, i know it sounds unbelievable but its true) Sure as said, whats a little r*** here or there who could hate on that? I mean who? .. Well what about the illegal war? While negotiating with Iranians you murdered them not once.. but twice & then murdered their Spiritual leader.. how would Israel like it if Iran raped.. i mean murdered.. no! I mean helped murder & r*** prisoners .. who could hate? So fcuking what! Big deal! ..Israel is an *insidious* horrific regime who\`s horrors creep into the minds of mortal men because they *have to!* *!Bow !! ..* ***Israel Are Gods Chosen People Doing Gods Work ..& All You Westerners Can Do Is Hate! 37,000*** ***Is Only A Number! Who Could Hate Numbers? ..*** ***Our Messianic Leader Walks Our Earth & All Before Him Will Tremble!!*** ***Learn To Love Hate & Learn To Love Death! ..*** ***Love From Jerusalem, x***

Islamic terror is a catchphrase used to justify imperialism

Speaking for the US alone, people are mad that we are funding the genocide Israel is doing against its neighbors. People don't want to be locked into a murder suicide pact with Israel anymore.

The aggressors typically aren't favored in conflicts. Recent examples include Russia and Hamas. Israel pissed away the sympathy we all had for them as they became the aggressor. Iran was IN THE MIDDLE OF NEGOTIATIONS when they were attacked. Israel was clearly the aggressor here so claiming "Islamic Terror" just sounds so tone deaf and victim-y.

Operation Epstein fury

It certainly benefits Putin in his quest to make Europe buy oil and natural gas from Russia.

There wasn’t a nuke situation until trump tore up the treaty. The real nuke situation is israel or trump deciding to use on on Iran.

Good list. I think an underrated reasoning is that America has no actual ideology anymore since we are 5 corporations in a trenchcoat, and capitalism has so thoroughly invaded every facet of our lives that the average American believes in nothing. Because of this, when Israel says "embrace violence, embrace suffering, embrace the void" no one really cares enough to even say no, despite that thought in the back of the head that this is some pretty fucked up shit.

The base case is that Iran has been a long-standing threat. Iran's current government's foreign relations predicated on opposing the general regional trend in the Gulf States toward normalizing relations with the west and Israel. There's obviously a long history of terrorism and violence spanning decades now (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_and_state-sponsored_terrorism). Iran engaged in substantial proxy violence toward American forces in Iraq. There are many in the defense and intelligence community who feel these attacks, the Marine barracks bombing, attacks in Argentina, etc. were not properly responded to and thus not effectively deterred. The current regime's reaction to Saudi, UAE, Kuwaiti, etc. moderation has been to attempt to destabilize and delegitimize these highly unrepresentative near absolute monarchies by appealing to their people that essentially "these people have betrayed Islam to the infidels, they are collaborators and sell outs." The same way that in the West we see the dissonance between the population of Iran and their government, Iran sees a dissonance between the sentiments of the populations in the Gulf States and their leaders and seeks to create a potentially fatal rift. The leaders in these states are concerned about this dynamic. Iran had also arrayed a number of proxies in Yemen, Syria, Lebanon, Gaza, etc. which triggered civil wars in Yemen and Lebanon, leaving both countries completely unstable. Lebanon's civilian government and army were essentially left at the mercy of Hezbollah. Yemen has been a complete mess of a proxy war between Iran and Saudi Arabia. The Syrian civil war was the result of the collapse of a repressive regime that persisted based on Iranian and Russian support. A lot of the rhetoric here focuses on Israel's desire to eliminate the threat it faces from Iran...but what is ignored is Saudi Arabia and other Gulf States lobbying just as hard to remove theirs. Iran has been public enemy for the House of Saud for at least a decade now. There is also a substantial body of evidence that Iran had an ongoing ballistic missile program and at least some manner of nuclear weapons program (although discerning whether this was active, an attempt to get to break out, or simply a bargaining chip without real intent is extremely difficult). Again, real threats. Threats of something happening soon, base case seems not. This seems a baseline moderate evaluation of the state of the Iranian threat. Add to that, Iran's regime has been brutally repressing its people for decades, including a recent spate of mass murder of civilians with estimates ranging from somewhere between ten thousand and tens of thousands of people. In short: Iran is bad. Iran has been doing bad stuff. It would be better if we could stop them. However, big fat f****** however: is that the case for this type of operation, at this time, in this manner? Remember, the US and Israel already launched fairly limited and at least somewhat effective attacks on Iran in the summer. Why not stick to the plan of making limited "as necessary" strikes? Why do this instead of what "worked" in June? The answer here is entirely dependent on two questions: was Iran a clear and present danger to the United States or its regional allies? was now some unique opportunity to topple the Islamic Republican regime with an exceedingly high possibility of success? The answer to the first question is probably not. America might have been vulnerable to terrorist violence from Iran, but that is a long-standing and simmering threat. It is also a threat that is unlikely to abate absent regime change. Further, threats to Israel, Saudi Arabia, etc. are very real, but have also been long-standing and unlikely to abate absent regime change. So imminence here is questionable at best, so the only real valid war aim is can this operation abate the long-term threat, liberate the Iranian people and hopefully end several ongoing civil wars by toppling the Islamic Republican regime? The entire conversation devolves into the second question: was this some unique opportunity to trigger positive regime change that did not exist in the past and was unlikely to emerge in the future? Again, the answer is unlikely. Triggering regime change through the use of military force has historically not been a very successful endeavor. Doing so in the Middle East, even less so. Then you deal with the question of what comes next, again a question whose answer has been uncertain, especially in the Middle East. So inherently we are doing something that has generally not proven to be a good idea with a very uncertain outcome. Further, the administration let the vanguard of popular resistance in Iran be murdered earlier in the year without response. So opportunistically, it would seem that an important moment was allowed to pass. I firmly believe that this operation was begun under the false assumption that the regime could be toppled quickly through targeted strikes on leadership. It did not. I believe we are already outside of the window for "case one." "Case two" is wider targeting of IRGC capabilities, military capabilities and internal security capabilities, etc. This case seems also seems to be akin to "kick the shit out of 'em and see what comes out." Obviously, this is not a sufficient strategic plan. It ignores escalation. It ignores the potential for further spool up of threats. So here we are. Involved in another conflict in the Middle East. Our base case for war has evaporated in the space of two weeks...and was probably not a good plan to begin with. Did anyone even go through this basic analysis? It seems unlikely. ...so even for me, a person who believes earnestly that Iranian regime has absolutely been a threat to peace in the region and beyond. Who supports the aim of regime change. Even for me, this war seems ill conceived.

Trump proudly boasted in June of 2025 during operation midnight hammer that they destroyed Iran's nuclear program. It now magically reappeared as a threat? Or was Trump lying back then as well? My point is you cannot trust this administration and I don't believe for a second that nukes were the cause for this war that's not a war but also is a war but is also a special military operation but is not a military operation but who even knows what they wanna call it now.

Israel wants American boots on the ground. That's the only possible explanation for why they keep escalating this. Yesterday they bombed near a nuclear power plant and this morning they bombed Iran's gas fields. Iran has said a hundred times this is their red line and they'll retaliate with taking out gulf/Saudi oil.

Bear in mind, I'm a complete idiot, but I'm guessing the last gasp of a dying empire. China has spent the last quarter century working on green tech and making alliances and the US doubled down on oil wars. Our current instability makes us weak at a pivotal time as the rest of the world is more interested in actually doing things to combat climate change. But the dirty little secret is China still needs a fuckton of oil to start this transition, hence the US oil war thing as a means of keeping in the superpower game because frankly, unregulated capitalism, violence, and oil is all we've got. We don't make anything. We're malnourished and uneducated. And the people who live here kinda all see all of the corruption on display. Oh yeah, and where does the oil in the EU come from? Russia. That's what I think's happening.

Israel wanted the war and Israel has the Epstein blackmail on Trump. Epstein used hidden cameras.

We’re doing this war for Saudi Arabia and because it destabilizes America

You missed the biggest one: Iran controls the third biggest oil supply in the world.  At the end of the day, it’s about money and power.

Dumbass dont you know better than to tell the truth!

It's pretty wild that the US attacks Iran then gets pissed Iran doesn't want to service them and asks others to go in and die for the US because the US whom started the war doesn't want to suffer casualties and wants someone else that had nothing to do with it to go and lose soldiers/resources for the US benefit.

Does make you wonder about the extent of damage the UAE has suffered. 

Although it is important to document, the actions somewhat make sense, for example, in Ukraine, unofficial posting of photos of damage is considered illegal, as it is used by the enemy to correct future attacks and improve targeting.

Looks like the thing to do in Dubai is document stuff, encrypt, and leave.

I think Israel is the actual Leroy jenkins here. Im still convinced they dragged the US in considering their objective seems to be to turn Iran into a complete failed state like Syria or Lybia incapable rebuilding to any level of former strength.  While the Americans simply wanted topple the Islamic Republic while preserving a functioning state and infrastructure where they have controlling interest in their oil with a more friendly puppet regime. But even then at this point I don't think the American government cares whether the Islamic Republic framework is still a thing or replaced, they just want a US friendly leader in charge. Which probably isn't good enough for Nethanyahu because he wants to complete bury them so he jumped the gun first.  If Israel's  true strategy, ambitions, and objectives aligned with the Americans, Israel wouldn't have bombed those oil facilities in Tehran poisoning the civilian population. 

If they don’t handle it right, Kharg will be a nightmare. Taking it would be the simple part, and even that will entail heavy aerial bombardments prior to landing troops. And any surviving military on the island will likely set up traps and ambushes as the Marines push into the only city and engage in urban warfare. Plus the Iranians are likely to set fire to the refinery if they believe it’s about to fall into American hands. And that’s the simple part. Holding it will be the real problem, as there is very little cover to speak of and it’s close enough to the Iranian mainland that military forces would be able to shell the island in addition to the usual drone barrage strategy. We would have to commit substantial anti-air resources onto the island to protect from that. All in all it unless this is planned and executed perfectly I’d expect a huge mess.

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It's probably the best option out of all the incredibly bad options. There's a potential route to Tehran if they can punch through the mountains where they wouldn't have to slog through quite so many mountain ranges. I'd imagine we're just going to attempt to occupy the coast along the gulf though. Cause Iran can hold us off in those mountains forever and it'd be a meatgrinder.

Even boats in the straight is a huge risk from missiles and sea drones. And mines if the Iranians sow the straight in a significant way.

Those ukranian drone videos are scary as f***

Tiny Planets, but with Ben and Don.

They've been attacking UAE continuously since this started. For Iran this is just business as usual.

NAFOid cope.

It takes a long time to replenish and the US was actually doing much of this with Ukraine using US loans, but Trump ended that too.

Operation Epstein Fury might take the Current Administration 35 years to finish if everything goes well but they really wanted it be under 18 years. Top leaders prefer it be under 10.

Epic fail 

It's a stupid name. Rising Lion was the name of the more limited 12 day operation. Obviously the Lion of Judah is the reference. I am not certain if they are aware that the same imagery has been used by Rastafarians and thus their operation sounds like a bad reggae album.

Same lmao

Even if they do, Iran has a homie named Pakistan that has nuclear weapons and non-Nato. If Iran does anything as their last hail mary to survive, they'll try keep a tight relationship with Pakistan and Oman or send their gangs of there. If the the Straight of Hormuz is the hole, Oman and Pakistan would be the cheeks. You need to pass the cheeks to get into the hole.

Trump wants Israel to pop a nuke in October.  The global destabilization will be his excuse to further tamper with the elections.  Plus with all the talk of starting Armageddon - come on, truly a world ending war? It's gonna be nuclear. 

I don't think even Trump is stupid enough to turn the entire world against him by breaking the nuclear taboo. Israel is definitely not. They would immediately lose any and all international support (except for maybe the US). I really don't think using a nuclear weapon will ever be worth it for anyone.

No nation will allow them to use a nuke offensively. They'll get wiped if they try it. Even the US won't back them up.

Using a nuke offensively in a war of aggression is a sure-fire way to trigger a retaliatory strike by both Russia and China that will wipe the entire nation of Israel off the map. Hell they may get nuked by US, Europe or even India, all parties with nuclear weapons have a vested interest in ensuring mutually assured destruction remains an effective deterrent. Using nukes against any nation, nuclear armed or not is probably going to get you nuked, potentially by multiple nations. Israelis are evil but not stupid.

This was always the endgame

Iran been on US hitlist for 50 years

4) Sanctions on Russian oil are lifted, allowing Putin to fully fund 5 more years of war against Ukraine.

3) Doomsday evangelicals trying to kickstart the rapture with a giant war of conquest in the middle east. A crusade to end all crusades. Hegseth literally believes this. He has crusader tattoos and everything. Same for Huckabee, the ambassador to Israel who recently endorsed Greater Israel. Also Lindsey Graham, who is openly working as an agent for Israel and meeting with them to pitch this war to Trump. There are millions of Americans checking the news each day expecting to read about the trumpets of the angels being sounded. Not even being hyperbolic.

"Roaring Lion" is the Israeli name.

If they choose to invade with a substantial ground force it will be much much worse than Afghanistan. Geography, sheer population + military size and sophistication of weapon systems make it pretty much impossible invade Iran. The border itself is made of giant mountains. This rules out landing a large amphibious force because it will get crushed on the beach. Even if it didn't get crushed on the beach you need to pass through the mountains into the interior, essentially impossible - especially with the US combined arms doctrine that relies heavily on being able to integrate armor into the invasion force. Leaves you with establishing air-superiority and dropping forces in. Which sounds better until you realize that makes getting out or resupplying your forces incredibly difficult and the IRGC is probably chilling in the mountains waiting for exactly that so that you will be entirely surrounded. Unlike Afghanistan Iran is a real country, wealthy and with very sophisticated weapon systems and a properly trained military that has been wargaming this for 40 years. US couldn't root out the Taliban which were effectively goat herders with RPGs and AKs. That was with mountains in the centre of the country which were easy to ignore or retreat from, entirely different to the mountain ringed fortress of Iran. The numbers also just don't make sense. In order to reasonably subjugate the Iranian military and population they would need like 3 million ground troops. US has nowhere near that number of troops even if they pooled all their infantry from all theatres (leaving Asia wide open at a very critical time). So yeah, it's just impossible. Trump needs to wait for the new Iranian leadership to get their shit together and regain control over the IRGC so he can go back and negotiate for peace, probably a much much worse deal than the one Iran offered or even what Obama negotiated because now they hold all the strategic cards.

Trump genuinely believes that he is not bound by the same rules that bind other people, and that includes historical precedent. He believes that he stands outside history and can choose to do anything he wants, with no negative consequences.

> Why do they never learn? Because learning would mean accepting the rapture isn't real and their religion is false. Or telling rich assholes who profit from this that they can't anymore.

> Likely to work out about how Afghanistan did, maybe worse. They should have picked Albania. Sounds similar, outside Asia... "A dog wags its tail as the dog is smarter than the tail. If the tail was smarter, it would wag the dog."