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Oracle laid off over 30,000 employees that too without notice given how big firms are firing people, what do you think will happen in the long run?

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RonDFong Apr 1, 2026 +2082
as more and more companies follow suit, they will have fewer people to buy their product or use their service. companies need to be like unto costco.
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supercali45 Apr 1, 2026 +713
It’s all funneling to the top Every industry is being consolidated to a few companies or even 1 company
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tonysopranosalive Apr 1, 2026 +376
I find this whole Amazon health shit coming out absolutely abhorrent
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PlanesandAquariums Apr 1, 2026 +122
I didn’t even think of that in terms of a gross corporate monopoly on like… everything. But I don’t think this problem is going away at all. Even my very liberal, educated family shrugs their shoulders when I mention cancelling their prime. And even I used it a for a few things when I moved to buy furniture for my house :( between their return policy, prices and convenience, I can see how it seems difficult to boycott.
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neverlearn9 Apr 2, 2026 +51
All the convenience is to attract customers and destroy the local competition and then comes the cost cutting and poor quality products.
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pizzapit Apr 2, 2026 +12
I talked about this all the time with my family and friends and have the same result. It's maddening to feel like I'm screaming into the void. So, yeah, so, yeah, they're all complaining about how they hate being treated like they have no alternative options. But love to empower the companies that are taking away other options. It feels like everybody is waiting for somebody else to boycott.Somebody else to take action
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ScrewedThePooch Apr 2, 2026 +15
It isn't hard at all. I've never had Prime. Not having it keeps me from buying shit there, because I don't want to pay for shipping. Also, I am so sick of the entire platform being plagued by low-quality third party sellers who now have their own return policy that differs from Amazon's. Why would I buy on Amazon if all they provide is a portal to purchase the item with no added benefit like the return policy?
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TomasNavarro Apr 2, 2026 +5
Saying "I wish I could cancel Prime" is a bit stronger than my feelings, I'd like to get on without it, but it makes a huge amount of things easier than other companies do. Summer last year I spent multiple hours going into every clothes shop in my town, and finding nothing I wanted, ordering some new trousers and shorts online was the best option, it felt like all the clothes shops just had whatever the popular thing was. Similarly, ordering anything online other than using Prime can be so awkward, because I can plan to order something on Friday and have it arrive on Saturday, when I'm not at work, at best other companies say 3-5 business days. Amazon literally is the difference between being able to easily get stuff and either just not bothering or having to make do with what's available. I couldn't find anywhere near where I live that sells big thick socks for example
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Independent_Taste220 Apr 2, 2026 +26
Can you clue me into what about Amazon Health you are referring to? I am out of the loop … I thought Amazon had been pulling back from that space, heavily.
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Holdmywhiskeyhun Apr 2, 2026 +49
There was an infographic quite a few years ago showing how everything is owned by pretty much 7 companies. I can only imagine it's gotten smaller.
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themeddlingkid Apr 2, 2026 +36
Wall-E will be our future
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xdevnullx Apr 2, 2026 +24
And we thought Idocracy was going to be the one…
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poopmarketer Apr 2, 2026 +12
Why not both? we can be both fat and stupid!
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OnlyFuzzy13 Apr 2, 2026 +10
Both feature a giant trash mountain
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Reden-Orvillebacher Apr 2, 2026 +11
Welcome to Costco. I love you. …Welcome to Costco. I love you. …
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krldrummerboy Apr 2, 2026 +8
weyland yutani
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KnowledgeFast1804 Apr 2, 2026 +10
The company I work for was once great for it's staff. Made great money everyone was happy and they looked after us for Xmas parties etc. Now they are owned by a company that owns multiple companies. They are cutting everything . Celebrating more profits in the employees faces while employees get nothing from it. Its pure late stage capitalism . Everyone is penny pinching citing the economy . But they are making more than ever. Same with the housing market . Everyone with money gets more money and the rest are squeezed.
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Mysterious-Tie7039 Apr 2, 2026 +130
As I told my kid, the problem is the Blackrocks of the world. A company can post their biggest profit in history and Blackrock’s take on it is, “Cool, now make even more profit.”
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AngryTree76 Apr 2, 2026 +59
When we build the everything on the idea "The line must always go up," things are going to go directly to shit when the the line can no longer go up.
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DaveyBoyXXZ Apr 2, 2026 +10
The problem is capitalism, not a particular set of actors within the system.
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darkandark Apr 1, 2026 +92
This is Oracle we’re talking about not Netflix. Oracle is majority massively a business to business company. They sell cloud service services, cloud databases; SaaS shit. Having fewer “people” to buy makes no difference to them because “people” are not buying from them, only massive companies are. I know what you’re trying to say but this absolutely doesn’t apply to Oracle and they’re gonna continue to do great business because companies are not actually losing money they’re getting more liquid cash because everyone is firing people
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drewster23 Apr 2, 2026 +10
One of my friends who works for a massive bank here told me they just got news they're dropping Oracle. After only 2 years and umpteenth issues the bosses at the top said f*** this shit. So it's not all roses n Daisy's for em. But nothing false with what you said. People need to realize Oracle is part of the ai fugazi. This isn't them caring about some new world older. This is just corpo bs to act like things are going amazing till the house of cards collapse.
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logaruski73 Apr 2, 2026 +14
On the other hand It’s the tech people and definitely not the executives who decide what cloud service to use, what database to use, etc. etc. and the ones being fired are our people. I’ve been involved with several of these decisions. Needing to select a database. More than Half the large company was on Oracle and a smaller number on SQL Server. Our tech paper and recommendation was Microsoft. Oracle was a pain in the ass to deal with. Their salesman was shocked. 3 Financial systems. Different backends. Not a decision by Finance although they advised. MS-DOS vs IBM-DOS. decision by tech Server and Network software - Tech decision. Cloud Services. - decision by tech
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Prisoner34 Apr 2, 2026 +39
I beg to differ, but I work for a large corp. Our CEO, CIO, and CFO make all decisions based on "Cost savings" and leave it to the IT people to clean up the mess.
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bfffca Apr 2, 2026 +7
Yes, in every single 1000 people + company it's not the tech people that make decisions. It's the c suites and higher management.
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drewster23 Apr 2, 2026 +5
Yeah Microsoft the other tech company who is pro ai , fires swathes of people at a time ...and definitely so much more altruistic?
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njmh Apr 2, 2026 +4
If you follow the B2B2B2B2B… paths far enough, they’ll eventually lead back to individual consumers.
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AMadWalrus Apr 2, 2026 +3
Well a lot of SaaS related stuff are licensed-based per headcount of the customer. So if their customer has 5k licenses maybe they need 4k of them. If companies follow suit, as the other guy says, then they will indeed sell less. What the other guy said looks correct to me.
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Trust_8067 Apr 2, 2026 +3
I made the same point, they don't know how to read apparently.
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AwakePlatypus Apr 2, 2026 +10
Costco employee here....we are quickly sliding downhill as well.
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_amosburton Apr 2, 2026 +3
How so?
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ScrewedThePooch Apr 2, 2026 +2
Return policy is still baller as hell, but I've noticed a few things. You're still better than everyone else as far as I can tell.
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Good-Definition-1977 Apr 2, 2026 +2
yeah, people can’t support brands that don’t support them back. Treat customers right and they’ll stay, it’s really that simple.
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wowzeemissjane Apr 2, 2026 +2
Capitalism eating itself.
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DoCrashOut Apr 2, 2026 +2
Well most of their business is B2B, not B2C.
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Ok_Put_5567 Apr 1, 2026 +1342
They’ll continue to do so until the Ai bubble pops. Corporations don’t give a f*** about people, and I hope this continues to convince people company loyalty is a sham
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slayosorus Apr 1, 2026 +147
Genuine question - how can the AI bubble pop?
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Kina_Kai Apr 1, 2026 +254
There is no actual proof that any of the frontier models are profitable. OpenAI claims that inference generates money, but evidence indicates that training models is extremely expensive and it is not clear that it’ll ever get c**** enough to turn a profit. Moreover, you have to constantly train these models with new data. So, even if inference is profitable, it’s not clear if it is profitable _enough_ or if it is a lie, as they provide no data to back their assertions. However, more to the point, most of the money isn’t going to this. It’s to build out nonsense data centers for demand that does not yet exist. This is why all of the major players seem to keep moving money between themselves. Private equity finances building out the data centers, which then seems to get trapped in circular financing deals. You get situations right now where OpenAI gets funding from Microsoft and NVIDIA, then goes and buys cloud compute from Microsoft and NVIDIA. NVIDIA investing in their customers so that they buy more GPUs. Oracle raising debt to finance the build outs and also putting money into NVIDIA..and on and on it goes. Eventually people are going to demand an actual return and I think we are starting to see that as it’s getting harder for the folks to just say numbers and sales figures without people asking what the end product is.
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Difficult-Square-689 Apr 2, 2026 +90
All of this investment is banking on AGI. A model that can truly replace 100% of a worker, and not just accelerate parts of their work.  I work in big tech, but I still hope this never happens. We aren't ready as a society for that kind of upheaval, with the current crop of absolute morons in charge of the federal government. 
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BdoubleDNG Apr 2, 2026 +53
I'm willing to bet money that we won't be getting AGI with next token prediction. LLMs are pretty impressive but in the end they're just probabilistic text models, which are already trained an all the data available. Reinforcement learning is primarily done to improve standardized test solving capability, which does not translate to intelligence.
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Difficult-Square-689 Apr 2, 2026 +4
You're probably right. But larger LLMs have demonstrated emergent behavior (e.g. chain of thought) not observed in smaller ones. I am not versed enough to know for sure that AGI is completely impossible. 
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BdoubleDNG Apr 2, 2026 +19
This paper (https://ml-site.cdn-apple.com/papers/the-illusion-of-thinking.pdf) argues that Chain of Thought is an "illusion of thinking" because LLMs rely on pattern matching rather than true logic. Performance collapses on the GSM-Symbolic benchmark when irrelevant variables are added. This proves models are just predicting tokens based on training data. They lack the genuine reasoning needed to ignore distractions or understand abstract mathematical concepts.
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dearth_of_passion Apr 2, 2026 +4
None of our silicon is near powerful enough for what people actually think of when they hear the word "AI" (ie, what CEOs think they'll get) and probably won't be in our lifetime.
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juggles_geese4 Apr 2, 2026 +27
What good could come from all jobs being replaced? I mean a lot but people can’t have socialism. Investors won’t settle for that. Nobody’s buying anything if nobody has a job to make money. Somethings not going to end well.
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hoosiergamecock Apr 2, 2026 +17
Ive been studying AI in my free time from a legal standpoint for the past few years and that is something I havent been able to wrap my head around. If we replace workers then who is paying taxes, who is buying the products? I work in health law and have to constantly remind executives that just bc its the big new shiny object doesnt mean its always necessary or a good idea. Its kind of a microcosm of society as a whole. AI is a useful tool, but it isnt meant to be a replacement. I dont think it will implode like the .com bubble, but I think its still so infant that companies will eventually realize people are the drivers of an economy and that money is only valuable if people can spend it.
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juggles_geese4 Apr 2, 2026 +6
That’s what my thought was. Like there’s a fine (maybe not fine at all) line where the rich profit from taking advantage of the poor. If they decimate jobs replacing them with AI, when does the lack of available funds and income to buy even basic needs become a rich person problem as well? I’d argue relatively quickly as their money will just become meaningless. Like if nobody has jobs because all cooperations have replaced us with AI than humans are going to be left to essentially group together as communities and support each other. We’ll grow our own food and build our own everything and cut out corporations entirely because we don’t have physical money to show for our skills anymore. They’re only going to f*** themselves if that’s their end goal. Now I might assume that AI will end up finding its place or becoming obsolete because of that reason. I think in there’s always been the fear that robots or machines will take our jobs and the reality is they might be able to replace certain types of jobs (for good or bad) but we’ve always adjusted in the past and people shift what their jobs require of them as new computers are designed. 🤷‍♀️
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OkFineIllUseTheApp Apr 2, 2026 +2
It doesn't matter for the elite. They'll have their AI slop, they'll automate just enough to keep them happy, and the rest of us can die. They do not care about you. They do not care about society. They are, by every definition, a parasite.
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Ok-Till-1040 Apr 2, 2026 +52
> Eventually people are going to demand an actual return That eventually could be forever and a day away. I thought Tesla losing sales would slow their stock down a lot more than it has but somehow even with that the fantasy pivoted and they're still 1.43T w/ a 353 PE. I keep wondering what's going on but at the same time I guess there are just investors out there with tremendous piles of money just falling all over themselves to invest it anything. If it's anything like Elon's autopilot you never have to actually deliver but just keep promising the AI profit is just around the corner.
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Next-While-9755 Apr 2, 2026 +11
At this point it feels less like fundamentals and more like people buying into a story they don’t want to stop believing. The hype keeps carrying it even when the numbers are trying to say something else.
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drewster23 Apr 2, 2026 +23
>Eventually people are going to demand an actual return and I think we are starting to see that as it’s getting harder for the folks to just say numbers and sales figures without people asking what the end product is. It's not even just that, because "people" make money as long as stock goes up but money has to eventually change hands , boots n shovels have to eventually hit ground. You can't keep making "promissory notes" regarding future investments you have no actual ability/nor plan to keep. You're seeing less n less effect from their fugazi pandering because it's meaningless.
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topohunt Apr 2, 2026 +9
Uber didn’t make money for like fifteen years. This can go on a long long time
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Aethien Apr 2, 2026 +3
> OpenAI claims that inference generates money They claim that yes, for as far as anyone has delved into the numbers and been able to figure things out they're still losing a lof of money on inference to the tune of $2+ for every $1 they make.
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peoriagrace Apr 1, 2026 +179
AI costing more than it's worth and not working very well. It gonna go haywire frequently. Banks don't like that, hospitals don't like that, and I'm sure others don't too. I'm sure the want to take away the need for doctors too.
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challengeseniorz Apr 1, 2026 +57
I don't like being forced to use it and will switch wherever I can.
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AleksandrNevsky Apr 2, 2026 +22
I actively avoid it when I can. It's difficult because it's shoved into everything now but possible.
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Aethien Apr 2, 2026 +11
It won't be for too much longer. Oracle has bet the company on OpenAI being able to pay them $30 billion a year until 2030, OpenAI lost about $12 billion in Q3 2025. And even if OpenAI manages to pay Oracle all that money, Oracle has borrowed so much to build daracenters they still won't make a profit. The math just does not add up. OpenAI kiled their video generator Sora because if was reportedly costing them $15 millon a day. Anthropic has severely reduced rate limits in Claude because until recently subscribers could spend $8-13 in compute per $1 they paid Anthropic. Oracle is now laying off 30k people, Amazon, Google, Microsoft are all hiding how much this AI shit is costing them in their financial statememts by blending it in with other categories and changing depreciation timelines for their GPU's so the cost is spread out more and doesn't look as bad. On top of all this the orange idiot and his genocidal Israeli friends started a war with Iran which affects the AI industry in multiple ways. Datacenters either aee or have to generate their own power, they do so by burning LNG which is now much more expensive. Interest rates will also go up which makes the many billions in loans taken out by companies like Oracle but also VC companies that fund AI startups a lot more expensive. And it makes investing in risky startups far less attractive since there's easier, safer money to be made elsewhere.
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peoriagrace Apr 2, 2026 +5
Me too.
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Musclecar123 Apr 2, 2026 +34
Even if the bubble pops, the infrastructure will remain. All of the data centres and all of the tech will still exist and it’s important to learn how to use it and leverage it to your advantage. That’s the future proofing of yourself and your relevance as a worker in certain industries.  People will adapt and workplaces will change just as they did when electricity was invented. 
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kevintxu Apr 2, 2026 +13
Computer hardware, unlike physical infrastructures, becomes obsolete very fast.
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Aethien Apr 2, 2026 +5
Surprisingly little of all this AI datacenter infrastructure is actually getting built and what has been built is running on near zero or even negative margins even in the current infinite VC money stage. Everybody except Nvidia is losing fucktons of money on AI, meanwhile even at the heavily subsidised costs it doesn't provide meaningful boost to productivity basically anywhere.
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The_Hoopla Apr 2, 2026 +12
I think AI is extremely problematic but you’re downplaying the **permanent** impact it’s going to have on the labor market. You have no idea the amount of jobs that have an appetite for “going haywire” if it means it costs them 30% of the price of a human employee. All we have to hit is 15% unemployment (and yes, that permanent) before this because a catastrophic problem. There’s at least 20% of the labor market today, assuming AI doesn’t improve AT ALL, that can and will be replaced inside the next 6 years. Doctors, security, pilots can all be completely untouched and it won’t matter from an economic standpoint when an entire chunk of the pyramid gets erased. Call me a doomer, and downvote me all you like, all I ask is you set a reminder for 2028 and comeback to read this comment to see how wrong I am.
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ColorPiePhilosopher Apr 2, 2026 +2
I appreciate you trying to be a martyr but I don't think 2028 is far out enough to make any conclusions. Even if what you say does come true, it has to fail catastrophically for awhile before humanity gives up on it. It will be an event, just like Grok's meltdowns. There's a lot of possibilities and a lot of them suck, but most of them aren't going to end humanity. The problem is nothing is being done safely to make sure those things don't happen, but I digress.
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The_Hoopla Apr 2, 2026 +2
End humanity? No. Completely refactor the US economy? Yes. I’m not saying it’s going to happen by 2028. I’m saying it will be exceedingly clear that it’s going to happen by 2028.
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Nickynui Apr 2, 2026 +7
I work for a payroll SAAS company and theyre all in on it. Its horrible and I'm honestly waiting for it to blow up in their faces
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thatredditdude101 Apr 2, 2026 +5
hospitals are already trying to replace radiologists with AI. https://radiologybusiness.com/topics/artificial-intelligence/ceo-americas-largest-public-hospital-system-says-hes-ready-replace-radiologists-ai
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Aethien Apr 2, 2026 +5
Hospitals are also [outsourcing their emergency physicians](https://www.statnews.com/2026/03/09/peacehealth-er-doctors-replaced-apollomd-backlash/) to save money. Just because American healthcare parasites see a way to make more profit doesn't make it a good or smart thing to do.
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drewster23 Apr 2, 2026 +6
And for routine, manual labour /time intensive stuff , with human oversight like that is exactly what ai is actually good for. It's not meant to replace radiologists completely it is meant to cut down on workforce needed. Similar to other niches.
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abhimanyudogra Apr 1, 2026 +21
“it’s gonna go haywire frequently” - Listnookor 2026
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The_Hoopla Apr 2, 2026 +5
Literally I want to set a remindMe for 2028 and message this person to the f****** tsunami that’s coming. “Yeah, still think LLMs aren’t going to be a permanent problem for the workforce?”
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TraderJulz Apr 2, 2026 +11
Yup!
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EBeerman1 Apr 2, 2026 +2
Yeah maybe 3 months ago. But people are now running businesses with sub-agents. It already is profitable. As usual its people not knowing what they are talking about and upvoting each other
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Aethien Apr 2, 2026 +3
> It already is profitable. It's really not, you're paying 5-10% of the actual cost for AI. Once the subsidies stop the value proposition is fucked.
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abhimanyudogra Apr 2, 2026 +2
He meant it is profitable for people who are using it, not the model owners. If you cant see the value prop of something this disruptive, idk what to say. Wait for a few more months and let the integrations span beyond software development and youll see.
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slayosorus Apr 1, 2026 +2
Thank you!
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Available_Quote_5567 Apr 1, 2026 +30
People/companies invest and build and invest and build. Perceived value goes up and draws in more investors. Then one day an investor wants to sell but no one wants to buy. Then everyone wants to sell to offload the liability. Value plummets to near 0 and the bubble bursts. Look up Tulip Mania
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Wayne Apr 1, 2026 +6
The same thing happened in the .com days. People invested in lots of fiber, until the marker crashed. Then others bought that fiber dirt c****, relatively speaking. I believe the same happened with railroads and other infrastructure in the past. It's a cycle that people know will happen, they just want to be on the profitable side of the cycle.
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Aethien Apr 2, 2026 +2
The AI bubble is not so much like the .com bubble and more like the subprime mortgage bubble. It's all working on *heavily* subsidised and unsustainable rates. The way the housing crisis was built on unsustainable mortgages with too low teaser rates and the promise that you could "just refinance later" because house prices would always rise until people couldn't refinance, couldn't pay their increased mortgage payments and couldn't sell their house to anyone either. The AI bubble is built on hyperscalers spending untold billions on GPU's to sell the compute at a loss to AI companies who sell it at a loss to consumers and various startups who then sell it at a loss to consumers. Everybody is losing money with heavily subsidised pricing. Only Nvidia is actually making any money. At some point the teaser rates have to end at which point nobody is buying AI anymore because it isn't worth 20, 30, 40+ times what it costs now. And then it all implodes because there's nobody to sell any of it to at full price. edit: although the AI bubble is thankfully only a fraction of the size of the housing bubble and it won't so much be people losing their home because they can't afford to keep or sell it and more hyperscalers who will be left holding the bag as they end up with big, expensive datacenters full of rapidly depreciating GPU's and nobody to sell the compute to. And nothing is worth bailing out; the big tech companies will lose a lot of stock value and profits but likely won't die; the AI companies can just die same with the venture firms that bet the house on them and the only company left that comes close to being system critical is Oracle where it's most likely better for some other company to buy up the SaaS part and let the datacenters die.
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centran Apr 2, 2026 +8
Look at history with the .com bubble. One way is throwing money at a bunch of AI startups and not all of them can be winners in the long term. I'm not sure that's happening with AI as much as .com though. Seems like the AI companies are just being acquired so it's little different.  The other way is supposedly the big AI players are creating companies to build out the needed data centers for AI. They then loan the company they created to build. This keeps the main companies "books" still looking good to investors and/or shareholders since it doesn't show up as debt. So what's going to happened to careful shuffling of finances when things aren't as profitable as they hoped for? Some people fear a "house of cards" is being built where any misstep is going to violently cause everything to collapse.
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lesnaubr Apr 2, 2026 +2
Part of it is that that AI companies are not charging enough money yet. They’ll lose users when they raise prices. Also, there are too many companies selling AI for them each to make enough money. I’m sure there are plenty of other reasons too.
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Sillypugpugpugpug Apr 2, 2026 +2
Same way every bubble pops: companies begin to fail and money is lost.
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OrangeJuliusCaesr Apr 2, 2026 +2
Eventually they need to make a profit. All the compute is being sold at a d*******
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drewster23 Apr 2, 2026 +4
Because everything you hear from business leaders who stand to profit from ai is all either fugazi over embellished or downright lie to push stock price up. So unless you've done research on the actual capabilities of this tech your perception of the disruption happening/going to happen is 100% skewed. Ai doing it's job bad (like in military applications it's being rushed into) is more of a risk then ai disrupting the entire world economy from being too good.
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Admirable-Repair4094 Apr 1, 2026 +63
True, but I don’t see the AI bubble popping anytime soon. If anything, it might lead to more unemployment and with inflation, the end result seems really scary.
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Tripp723 Apr 1, 2026 +38
That's the thing, nobody knows when it will pop. All bubbles pop eventually, science bitches!
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kindathra Apr 1, 2026 +9
What about the industrial boom?
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drewster23 Apr 2, 2026 +2
What about it ?
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SlightSurround5449 Apr 1, 2026 +5
Then what if it's not a bubble?
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drewster23 Apr 2, 2026 +7
Then the tech has somehow got light-years better in an extremely short amount of time, unparallel to anything before to bridge the current economic feasibility gap. Which doesn't look like the most probable outcome currently
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Cassius_Corodes Apr 2, 2026 +8
It does seem to be getting better quickly. In software engineering I'm seeing a pretty large shift in the last 12 month from AI scepticism to embracing AI. I myself have gone from not using it at all to making it a decent part of my work. I'm starting to get concerned about the future of my career.
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drewster23 Apr 2, 2026 +2
Ai has plenty of uses it's still leap years from generating the amount of revenue necessary to sustain such investment. Just like Internet commerce still exists post .com burst , ai will too
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smalltowndogmom1029 Apr 1, 2026 +5
It seems super scary. Desperate people so desperate things.
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Pickle_ninja Apr 1, 2026 +5
But lets run the country like a business!
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permanentmarker1 Apr 1, 2026 +2
Exactly who gives a f*** about people. Certainly not our government
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RottenBananaCore Apr 2, 2026 +538
Please proofread your post titles.
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mdavis360 Apr 2, 2026 +206
Seriously. I’m having a stroke trying to read this shit.
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rockytop24 Apr 2, 2026 +12
Somebody set us up the bomb.
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Zealousideal-Emu9013 Apr 2, 2026 +4
r/titlegore
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Admirable-Repair4094 Apr 2, 2026 +49
English isn’t my first language, so I apologize for any confusion. What I’m actually asking is: with big companies laying off so many people without prior notice, what do you think will happen in the long run to the job market and the tech industry? 
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woowoo293 Apr 2, 2026 +3
Would it really matter, for your question, if they provided notice? It actually may help employees a bit if the company clearly violated the WARN Act.
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MorteSaava Apr 2, 2026 +21
you wrote it just fine here though so it is possible.
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mentho-lyptus Apr 2, 2026 +148
I’m struggling to make sense of the question
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dude_stfu Apr 2, 2026 +56
Bizarre that people are answering this shit when it’s completely nonsensical. Probably bots, which I guess could be some type of meta point?
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pm_me_ur_th0ng_gurl Apr 2, 2026 +27
It is nonsensical, but you can figure it out from the context. What do you think will happen in the long run with big firms laying off lots of people without notice?
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RB440 Apr 2, 2026 +5
Jumping to blame bots when it's just people with better reading comprehension. Let me try. The person above me must be AI slop since it can't read between the mistakes and figure out the question like a lot of other people have. This is why we will never lose the war since AI isn't "English is my second language" proof. This is you right now /u/dude_stfu
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Queasy_Estimate_8211 Apr 2, 2026 +10
Yeah the wording's a bit messy. I think they're asking what the long-term impact will be when huge companies keep doing mass layoffs suddenly.
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mckirkus Apr 1, 2026 +205
They never give notice. The very big companies that are buying data warehouses are doing this because they have to pay for billions of dollars of GPUs. Smaller companies that don't have to worry about massive infrastructure buildouts aren't doing this. Software engineer hiring is increasing, but junior roles are getting hit hard. Given the average age on listnook is 20 something you get a tilted perspective.
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Svennis79 Apr 1, 2026 +120
10-15 years time there is going to be a massive skills shortage. Entry level (learning) positions are vanishing fast. Its fine now, because there is a lot of seasoned employees out there, but as they exit the workforce, they are not getting replaced. Eventually you run out
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Ok-Competition1471 Apr 1, 2026 +87
Hell, we're already learning this with the semiconductor industry. Most senior techs are in their 60's and getting ready to retire. Now management is desperately trying to get them to stay longer to train up the new people. I can't learn in 2 years, what the senior tech learned over 40. It's gonna be an absolute dumpster fire in 5 years.
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badamant Apr 1, 2026 +32
The idea is that the ‘ai’s are learning skills to replace higher and higher skills. This really is the only way to justify all that investment.
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Noctrin Apr 2, 2026 +8
The problem is most advancements in software engineering were (mostly) deterministic abstraction layers. They all come with downsides and doom and gloom but it mostly came down to optimization vs time saving. The problem with AI is that it's completely non-deterministic, and that's by design, there's no secret advancement to the current architecture to fix this. It's inherently random. Will these be a problem? I personally think so, but this was said about previous abstractions as well..
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HotPersonality8126 Apr 2, 2026 +14
Oracle employees get up to 26 weeks of severance pay. That’s the notice.
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SomeGuyInSanJoseCa Apr 2, 2026 +3
I got laid off from Oracle years ago, I had about 6 months of pay. Because of California law, they had to actually wait and employ me for 2 months before giving me the other 4 months of cash.
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kliu67 Apr 1, 2026 +9
Thats a great point I’ve been overlooking when considering listnook demographics. A lot more young adults voice their opinions here
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Undercover92500 Apr 1, 2026 +54
In the long run? Probably more job-hopping, less loyalty to companies, and people prioritizing stability over ‘dream jobs.’ It’s hard to trust a system that can drop you overnight.
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SomeGuyInSanJoseCa Apr 2, 2026 +14
I worked for Oracle for about 6 or 7 years (laid off from there 5 years ago). I can assure you that no one viewed Oracle as a "dream job" or felt loyalty to the Oracle brand name. We all the knew the deal. They pay you well, but part of the premium was due to the lack of stability. If they do let you go, at least you get a nice package (I got 6 months). All big tech is like this. I can go to government and get $175K a year and never worry about layoffs. Or I can go to Big Tech and get $700K with the knowledge that I can be let go any day. We all take the risk of Big Tech for the massive pay. It's a calculated risk we all take. No one should view the employees as victims of some evil corporation. We are all well aware of what we signed up for.
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0rganicMach1ne Apr 1, 2026 +23
We’re heading down a path that’s not sustainable. Eventually we’re going to have to start talking about how to alter a society that now has more people than jobs due to AI and the automation that it brings, because these companies are going to do what they do either way because the ones at the top have enough wealth to sustain themselves when it crashes. WE need to fix this because they will not.
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J_A_Kn_Daxter Apr 2, 2026 +18
These job firings are not due to AI, they will use that as a cover of course, but AI is not at the point of replacing tens of thousands of white collar jobs yet. These people got fired because we are in a recession and companies can cook the books a bit and look more profitable than they are for another quarter by doing mass layoffs.
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Slow-Ad-2431 Apr 2, 2026 +2
This is what the warehouse purchases are for. 
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Coldin228 Apr 1, 2026 +173
In the long run most of positions laid off will be hired back over the course of 5-10 years. It will be a slow process, the people who did the layoffs will never admit it was a mistake. By the time they have to start correcting someone else will be in charge. The people in charge now will all get pats on the back for reducing expenditures while the actual concequences of lost labor are spread between the existing employees and however much time management can burn to avoid telling their bosses they actually needed some of those people.
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Admirable-Repair4094 Apr 1, 2026 +22
True, they’ll need humans eventually but until then, rising inflation and unemployment are scary. Tech used to have the most opportunities, and now seeing tech graduates unemployed highlights a serious flaw in the system.
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drewster23 Apr 2, 2026 +3
>Tech used to have the most opportunities, and now seeing tech graduates unemployed highlights a serious flaw in the system. You're just seeing the effects of cycle of the markets/economy and what happens after over hiring during a "boon".
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ComfortablyMild Apr 1, 2026 +19
So I was in a meeting with an executive at my company. It was disgusting, he was bragging about having laid off 300 employees in IT to streamline. The meeting was about how IT was letting us down recently.
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91108MitSolar Apr 1, 2026 +44
house prices collapse....people unable to afford their mortgages, car payments. Banks losing untold amounts of money on loans they can no longer collect ...Tremendous turmoil coming when you just keep taking away people's ability to earn money....I can't even image.....I suspect a lot of civil unrest
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FuckTrumpFuckElon Apr 1, 2026 +8
Just have an amnesty on robot hunting season should sort it out
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91108MitSolar Apr 1, 2026 +4
Hunger Games x10000
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mitchsn Apr 1, 2026 +18
How is this legal in CA? https://edd.ca.gov/en/jobs_and_training/Layoff_Services_WARN/
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blueg3 Apr 1, 2026 +24
It's disingenuous to call it completely without notice. To comply with WARN, they put people on 60 day garden leave. So you're still an employee, you got your notice, but all access is revoked.
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flcinusa Apr 2, 2026 +6
Can't have disgruntled employees spearding seeds of dissention
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drewster23 Apr 2, 2026 +7
No it's a security issue and would be dumb af to let fired employees stay....no big company does that.
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swd120 Apr 2, 2026 +2
They generally do at my former company - FTE's were kept on between 2 weeks and multiple months depending on KT and stuff for the multiple layoffs they've done over the years. (Of course your severance could be revoked if you didn't stay and keep working to do the KT and stuff, and I'm not aware of anyone that sabotaged anything). Lower end of the Fortune 500 as far as company size.
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CoopertheFluffy Apr 1, 2026 +10
Haven't researched Oracle layoffs, but for other big tech they announce the layoffs and put people on garden leave at the same time. The role is officially eliminated 60/90/whatever days later when the WARN period expires and employees get paid for that entire duration without working.
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flcinusa Apr 2, 2026 +2
This happened to me with Lowe's, been on leave since middle of February
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SomeGuyInSanJoseCa Apr 2, 2026 +6
I was laid off by Oracle years ago. They don't stop employment. They take away your access and laptop, but keep you employed for the entire WARN period. You are employed with nothing to do for 2 months in California. They, they give you the rest of your layoff package the day the 2 months are over. My total layoff package was about 6 months. So, they gave me a 2 month vacation and then gave me a lump sum of 4 months. I got a job offer during the WARN notice period, so I had to wait until the day after the WARN period to start my new job to get the package. Even though they laid me off, Oracle treated me right. I have no complaints.
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Yandoji Apr 1, 2026 +8
Remote workers are a WARN loophole, and a lot were converted to remote during the pandemic.
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blueg3 Apr 1, 2026 +9
You're still subject to the laws of the state in which the employee works from. Converting a CA employee to remote doesn't do you any good. At this many people, it's not all remote. It's got to include a ton of CA people.
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kulahlezulu Apr 1, 2026 +3
Consider the WARN notice starting with the layoff. The time required by WARN is from when they were told they’re laid off and lose their access until their severance runs out. The WARN timeframe is basically their severance period.
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Gofastrun Apr 1, 2026 +2
Usually “without notice” is actually pay in lieu of notice. They just get a severance package
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Cool_Guy_McFly Apr 2, 2026 +18
It leads to a completely transactional relationship between employers and employees, which ultimately hurts both people and companies in the long run. There is something to be said about the days when employers actually did try to take care of their people. This gets employee buy in and develops strong company cultures. The modern U.S. work environment can be best described as “I don’t give a f***”. People are treated as disposable, and as such they only do what is required of them or what will look good on their resume for their next job. When people are treated as disposable by their company, they in return treat their company as disposable and provide zero loyalty. There used to be such a thing as a “company man”. Loyalty was rewarded, and people took pride in their work and in the brand they represented. Those days are long gone.
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co678 Apr 2, 2026 +7
Any company I work for is my adversary, and I’m always on the lookout to get as much as I can before they decide some arbitrary bullshit that it doesn’t pan out anymore. I do work hard, I have a good work ethic, and bring a lot to the table, but I know there are always arms of any company looking to try to eliminate me as soon as I’m hired. I take mine, I get my own, and beat down as much as that shit as I can. The bean counters, the HR, the disconnected higher ups, are always the enemies of my path and how to actually get things rolling. So I do what I can, and get what I can without them harming me. Loyalty hasn’t ever been a thing since I’ve entered the job market 20+ years ago. I f*** them before they can f*** me.
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TonyTheSwisher Apr 1, 2026 +35
The toothpaste ain’t going back in the tube. Prepare for a post-AI economy where your education means nothing and a machine can outthink you. Learning a real useful skill has never been more important and a college degree has never been more useless. 
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Admirable-Repair4094 Apr 1, 2026 +20
True, but what even counts as a useful skill these days?
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OlasNah Apr 2, 2026 +17
Physical labor
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Slow-Ad-2431 Apr 2, 2026 +11
Robots can or will soon do that too. 
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TonyTheSwisher Apr 2, 2026 +2
If you can do something that provides value in the real world, that counts. 
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LilithRising90 Apr 1, 2026 +78
Do you remember reading about the French revolution?
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Nordyyyyyy Apr 1, 2026 +36
I feel like a huge flaw in the comparison that I constantly see is that the tech we have now would make something like that a billion times harder
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Spoliationcomplation Apr 1, 2026 +40
I think you may be overestimating technology and underestimating starving people
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HorpinBlorpin Apr 1, 2026 +32
You don't even have to be starving. I saw the numbers at the last No Kings protest and it was unfathomable to me how you can get that many people together to collectively do nothing.  You think the French would have ever gathered in those numbers only to peacefully walk around then go home? This is a mindset problem.
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Lord__Abaddon Apr 1, 2026 +27
I think you're looking at this the wrong way, if no kings protest can gather that many people for a peaceful protest imagine how many people will gather when they're angry/hungry/desperate. they're coming out of free will now not necessity.
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LaborumVult Apr 2, 2026 +5
Imagine how many fewer would do so if they knew their lives were on the line though. I am not trying to besmirch the peaceful protester, but the reality is not even 10% would be ready to really go full revolution.
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Lord__Abaddon Apr 2, 2026 +3
Hunger or despair is a powerful motivator. You think people will sit idly by as their kids starve, lose their homes or worst? Revolutions happen when there is no other option or hope. We're heading towards that scenario and at that point yes we will see a massice upheaval.
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ElderberryNatural527 Apr 2, 2026 +16
America is a powder keg. Everyone is waiting for the shot heard round the world. Nobody should want to hear it. No Kings is a de-escalation attempt, a hope that peaceful protest is still possible.  There is an implicit threat behind such large crowds. The gun owners in those crowds could arm everyone five times over.  Rioting like the French is a one way ticket to civil war, millions dead. It is a mindset problem to hope for that. I am also pessimistic of the effectiveness of this weak lib shit. All protests should be armed if you ask me… but there is some historical precedent in their favor. Pinochet’s reign of terror was ended by an election. Stalin’s by heart disease. Dictatorships can end with a whimper.
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cwx149 Apr 1, 2026 +3
I mean France is also only the size of Texas and has enough trains to move a lot of people to the capital or other places to group up Protests also only really work if the people in power care and I don't think Trump et all cares at all if they're popular or not as long as they're in power
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Spoliationcomplation Apr 2, 2026 +5
This is wrong, he starts to make changes and throw his advisors and cabinet under the bus immediately when the heat gets turned up, we saw it happen 100 times during the last administration, and he just fired Kristi Noem for how she handled the DHS and embarrassed him, he has started criticizing his cabinet more recently and giving them credit for his unpopular policies He cares more than you would think about what the country as a whole thinks of him, he is a proven narcissist, he is hardwired in a way that he cannot ignore it Just 30 minutes ago he started talking about firing Pete Hegseth https://www.listnook.com/r/USNEWS/s/pTDxiZ2CqP
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cwx149 Apr 2, 2026 +3
Firing people ≠ changes in policy He can fire everyone you can name but if their replacements are just gonna do the same things it's all performative and just to keep people distracted And when they have a literal playbook in project 2025 and other heritage foundation stuff any right wing person in these roles are gonna follow the same templates Trump can turnover his cabinet every week if he wants but if every secretary he appoints is gonna have the same goals and the same road map to get there it doesn't matter
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Nordyyyyyy Apr 1, 2026 +3
I mean I certainly hope I’m wrong, I don’t think it’s impossible, but definitely has to be taken into account in that comparison
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mc_security Apr 2, 2026 +2
Starving people are very passive.  Revolutions are usually led and fought by people who are inflamed by ideas and /or   feeling disenfranchised or poorer but are not quite starving.
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challengeseniorz Apr 1, 2026 +3
Yeah being HUNGRY is a huge motivator.
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inhocfaf Apr 2, 2026 +8
40% of the terminated employees were based out of India. The French revolution was also largely lead by the bourgeoisie. Why would lawyers, doctors, and businessmen lead this revolution that you're referencing?
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shryke12 Apr 1, 2026 +8
The French revolution led to an emperor no one wanted and continent wide war. Why do people keep putting that on a pedestal? It wasn't a good outcome for the poor at all. They still starved and died in Napoleon's armies.
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33RhyvehR Apr 1, 2026 +5
Companies not understanding that AI being able to do all this stuff for them will mean AI can do it for others.   big companies rn will become a pattern AI can reconstruct from a query at some point. Their current advantages as companies will dissolve, so a smarter play would be trying to restructure to use AI to new ends, not getting rid of their workforce. I guess thats an abstravt pivot but better then destroying the economy imho
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cueballspeaking Apr 2, 2026 +6
I believe AI will continue to compress many knowledge worker roles across the US. Starting with big tech companies. We've seen Block Inc frame it this way, now Oracle. Microsoft just posted its worst quarter since 2008 so I imagine some more heads will roll there. Meta, Amazon, etc. They will continue to compress and do "more with less", as Satya Nadella would say. On the flip side you're seeing a lot of hiring take place at Anthropic, Open AI etc, relatively speaking... but those are plum, elite jobs that you pretty much need to know someone to land.. and I'm of the opinion a lot of those roles are strategic in the "who" department. In other words, people with big pipeline for sales, or connections in high places. They know they won't last long, but the compensation packages for 2 years of work is life changing. It's a very get in while the getting is *still possible* type of scenario. These past few years the tech industry broadly has been compressing, and it's only going to accelerate. Past 90 days a lot has changed to the point where I went from thinking, oh I should be good another 5 years, to oh... I hope I'm not fired within 18 months, despite being a highly awarded, high performing employee with 14 years of experience. This will eventually trickle down to other knowledge work sectors over next few years, and then broadly to other fields as robotics catch up. Anyone doubting this isn't close enough to what is happening. The minute you can say you've used GitHub copilot CLI, Claude Cowork, OpenAI Codex, etc and start spinning up swarms of agents on company dollar... it quickly becomes evident where this is going.
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RealModeX86 Apr 2, 2026 +7
Depends how long-term you're talking about. I fully expect it to work very similarly to outsourcing. Cut labor costs by ramping up AI, publish a few quarters of lower costs, then realize that you're not getting the same quality of help, and go on a hiring spree. The same old boom/bust cycle, overcorrecting in both directions. That cycle could even be the thing that starts tipping the bubble towards a pop
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Comfortable_Oil_7189 Apr 1, 2026 +5
The blue-collar workers' wages will decline in the end as more unemployed engineers won't get jobs, more layoffs happen, and more rush into the blue-collar market.
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SeriousGeorge2 Apr 2, 2026 +6
Nothing will happen because the public doesn't really care about this stuff. Questions like how should our society adapt to AI won't be big issues in the upcoming midterm elections in the US. Even horrible sociopaths like Elon Musk are saying things like we need to implement UBI, but the most people aren't thinking about these things.
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Medill1919 Apr 1, 2026 +4
Mass poverty in the streets. Pitchforks and torches, pandemics and pestilence. Watch.
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TN_REDDIT Apr 2, 2026 +5
foreigners will be employed at lower wages both in the US and abroad.
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Significant_Fill6992 Apr 1, 2026 +7
recession
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NewToTradingStock Apr 1, 2026 +3
Kinda surprised is in the red today.
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HavartiBob Apr 1, 2026 +3
20,000 - 25,000 will be rehired. Maybe not the same people, but they’ll bloat back up.
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lunarwhisperq Apr 2, 2026 +3
The brutal delivery of these layoffs (6 a.m. emails and instant lockout) effectively ends the era of employee loyalty. We are moving toward a "Mercenary Culture" where workers treat jobs as short-term gigs, leading to higher turnover and a lack of institutional knowledge within big firms.
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co678 Apr 2, 2026 +2
I’ve treated every job like that since I’ve started working 20+ years ago. They are never your friend, you take what you can get as much as you can before they decide that’s it. You f*** them before they can f*** you. You might have a good supervisor or division, but the scummy fucks of HR and disconnected higher ups don’t ever get it, so you have to fight for yourself and do what you can then move on.
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NinjaKoala Apr 2, 2026 +3
Note that the 30,000 are eligible for two weeks severance plus a week per year worked there, so the "without notice" isn't as horrible as being straight fired. (Yes, you lose out on unemployment but it's quite a bit more money.)
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MoMoney3205 Apr 1, 2026 +3
This is why democrats wanted to regulate tech a while back, and why tech, now donates so much money to politicians.
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gaypiest Apr 1, 2026 +9
People need to wake the f*** up and push back against AI. Do not let data centers go up in your cities, do not let AI or big corps get tax cuts in your city, do not let rich people live comfortably if they're in your neighborhood. F****** do something real or otherwise shut up and get cucked
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drewster23 Apr 2, 2026 +6
>Do not let data centers go up in your cities, do not let AI or big corps get tax cuts in your city Ah yes big civilian choices.
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Swaglfar Apr 2, 2026 +2
I also read his post and thought, "tell me you don't live in America without telling me you don't live in America." Like we the public have any say over anything.
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Burns70800 Apr 1, 2026 +2
This is only the beginning
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ptraugot Apr 1, 2026 +2
The quality of product and support will continue to falter until the systems we rely upon have subtly failed and cause world wide financial disaster.
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valleysally Apr 2, 2026 +2
I recently read a comparison of layoffs being modern day human sacrifices and i can't unsee it.
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Dixa Apr 2, 2026 +2
they will be sued for WARN act violation for one.
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Barrack64 Apr 2, 2026 +2
I think we’ve been in recession for the past year and that the AI implementation has been an excuse for the layoffs. Small time investors will be the bag holders when it comes crashing down.
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ahspaghett69 Apr 2, 2026 +2
After the AI bubble pops many of these large enterprises will be stuck in the lurch and will face either falling into obscurity or struggling to justify their valuation. This will be a boom for startups and new companies. Remember CISCO? What the f*** does *oracle even do lmao*. But, for the foreseeable future it's going to suck big time
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HistoricalSuspect580 Apr 2, 2026 +2
The systematic destruction of the middle class
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Mountain-Exit-1687 Apr 2, 2026 +2
They'll probably figure out it wasn't such a good idea after all...
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Lucky_Foam Apr 2, 2026 +2
In the long run it will be 1 CEO billionaire (trillionaire?) and millions of AI bots running all the big tech companies. I picture all CEOs to be like Bud Askins in Fallout. Just a brain on a Roomba. They spend their days farming people to use as fuel for the AI bots. [https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/Bud\_Askins](https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/Bud_Askins)
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graypurpleblack Apr 2, 2026 +2
The economy will suffer long term as a growing number of people foreclose on homes, lose their cars and flood the job market for lower wage jobs which will inevitably wipe out unskilled labor even more to what’s left of government assistance.
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Legitimate-Wash-6336 Apr 1, 2026 +5
They will replace humans with AI and have AI write codes that continue to improve in a way the ceo wants, eventually the AI becomes Skynet. And we all know where the roads end up.
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Admirable-Repair4094 Apr 1, 2026 +9
Most people in tech know that AI isn’t as handy as it’s being hyped to be, and in the long run, humans will still be needed to run things. I don’t get why these big firms are so delusional about it.
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naz8587 Apr 1, 2026 +3
Sunk cost fallacy
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ReviewStuff2 Apr 2, 2026 +2
> Most people in tech know that AI isn’t as handy as it’s being hyped to be Those people do not comprehend how good AI really is because they aren't using the right models in the right ways. Those of us who have figured that out what to use and how to use it are realizing it's even more "handy" than the hype can even capture.
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phoenix14830 Apr 1, 2026 +2
The terrifying part is there still needs to be people operating the systems that make Skynet. They know what they are building and do it anyway. We are building Skynet already. The drones, AI, robotics, nuclear proliferation, reliance on sophisticated systems over reasoning, and an ever-increasing realization that dwindling natural resources means force is increasingly more necessary to get what you want. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8A-jwqhLcV8](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8A-jwqhLcV8)
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sowhat4 Apr 1, 2026 +3
I just read the 'firing letter'. Strange that when a ~~worker~~ bee drone signals his intention to leave he must give the Master at least a two-week notice. The Master, though, can throw the drone's ass out with no warning whatsoever. What will happen in the long run? Lots and lots of people will undergo enormous stress. Houses and cars will be repossessed - after all retirement and savings accounts are drained - and families will buckle/split under the strain. The little guy will suffer and Larry Ellison will simply get richer and richer. Oh, and the people who depended on the custom of the laid off workers are going to be getting by on less and less money and so thus it cascades in a big old fat recession or even a depression. Didn't even take a 100 years before we did the same old shit again. Next are bank failures.
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Poptotum Apr 1, 2026 +6
Giving a two-weeks notice is a norm and a courtesy. It’s not a “must”.
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83franks Apr 2, 2026 +3
What the f*** are you asking?
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SharpAardvark8699 Apr 1, 2026 +2
Oracle is run by a very pro Israel billionaire. He's a ruthless guy. This company was set up purely for political power. It's a sht service 
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Eastcoastpal Apr 2, 2026 +2
When a company fires so many people don’t they have to give a warn notice to the states? I don’t think Oracle gave a warn notice.
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drewster23 Apr 2, 2026 +2
Yeah it starts the moment they "fire you" and you're not actually fired till the period is done. Aka they just get paid out for it.
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SilvermistInc Apr 2, 2026 +2
I stroked out reading this
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TheGaussianMan Apr 1, 2026 +1
The talented employees will go and make competing companies and try their best to d*** down everyone they felt was responsible for them being laid off.
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