Scania is fantastically expensive... What did they expect lol
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Techies4lyf4 days ago
-38
Or chinese labour is horribly underpaid? Ever thought of that
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flukus4 days ago
+60
Labour in Senegal is even cheaper and will be used wherever possible.
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Haru1st4 days ago
+123
Or extensively state subsidized
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mrsbriteside4 days ago
+45
Like Chinese labour isn’t really that c**** anymore. It’s not the 90s any more, yes it’s cheaper than the west but there is much cheaper labour in other countries. It’s definitely not c**** enough to be a final determining factor for a contract.
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AegrusRS4 days ago
+65
As always the answer will always be somewhere in the middle, but it is also undeniable that China simply has the most infrastructure expertise in the world currently.
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Ok-Woodpecker-2234 days ago
+8
Cost of living. If food and goods in China cost fraction of what they do in Sweden (considering income tax, vat and other factors), being "underpaid" is very relative. Not saying there wouldn't be underpaid people, just that if basically everything you need daily is way cheaper, you don't need European income to survive. Unless you want that Ferrari, which I remember seeing hoards in Sweden last time I visited... /s
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Dear-Finding9253 days ago
+2
When western companies moved manufacturing to China yeah they definitely thought of that
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Captn_Platypus4 days ago
+35
There’s one EU company and two Chinese ones. So they were hoping to loan out the money to Senegal then have them pay that money back to the Swedish one with no other choice? How is this not corruption? And now they’re mad when their illusion of free market bites them in the ass?
If it bothers the EU so much they should’ve allowed only EU companies to bid as part of the deal with the loan
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TheMaskedTom4 days ago
+27
You know that there's more than one person in the EU parliament, right? With so many people, you'll find some people outraged with anything.
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[deleted]5 days ago
-137
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AyiHutha5 days ago
+112
The money is from the EU to buy Buses for Senegal. When Chinese fund projects they make it conditional that the primary contractor is Chinese.
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kblkbl1655 days ago
+40
Guess EU should’ve known better when funding projects?
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Furdodgems4 days ago
+37
...yes? That's precisely the point of this article to say how dumb they are ?
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earlandir5 days ago
+46
From my understanding I can't really blame Senegal or China, they are just doing smart business. This seems like a serious issue with how EU wrote their funding terms and should be updated.
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Unlikely-Complex37375 days ago
+7
Did you fall on your head or something?
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FanOpening30745 days ago
-76
hahaha, exactly, it makes clear that the objective is extraction not development.
i imagine you are american from the stupidity of your claims. Check your notes, these aren't free busses. actually i won't explain ask some questions to any AI bro. Are these free, what are the terms of the contract, at which interest rate, in which currency, why Europe finances such projects like these, how it benefits. depressing... sigh
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kabbage27194 days ago
+8
Firstly, I am not American. Secondly, don't call other people stupid when you write like that. Furthermore, notice how you asked a bunch of questions you don't even know the answer to. This is why your third world country needs handouts little favela boy
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Awkward_Research15734 days ago
You both need to chill
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Jebrowsejuste5 days ago
+8
The EU gibes Senegal money to buy busses. The busses are bought, it bears repeating, with EU money, not Senegalese money.
Where, pray tell, is the extraction ?
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tannatuva_03 days ago
Its a loan not free money handout, they were trying to increase demand for EU goods on top getting intrest on their investment, it's not charity.
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FanOpening30744 days ago
-14
europeans are so vulnerable, good and cute! giving free money away after enslaving half the world. (its not a gift)
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EasyE19794 days ago
+5
Right the fact you are totally unable to say anything specific kinda shows you're talking out of your ass?
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267aa37673a9fa6594905 days ago
+162
This isn't even the first time, the article mentions a similar case in 2019.
Frankly, it's the EU's fault for beating around the bush, China just straight up tells their company they'll be given money.
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Morfe5 days ago
+353
No tying the money to European contracts is indeed not smart
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SomeRandomGuydotdot5 days ago
+158
The Chinese company literally came in at half the price. Is it about building capacity in Africa or subsidizing EU businesses?
I, mean, shit. Why not just give Scania 160MM if it bothers you so much?
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Mayor__Defacto4 days ago
+153
Subsidizing EU businesses is the point. It’s no different from what China does with its stuff. It ties everything to hiring Chinese firms, because it’s about putting Chinese firms to work.
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SomeRandomGuydotdot4 days ago
+30
These aren't only jobs programs. This simplified way of viewing it. *Missing entirely* why China is so deeply embedded in the heavy industrial supply chains.
It's *also* industrial policy. They didn't just flip coins.
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pacman19935 days ago
+77
If it was a fair competition, I agree with you. If scania wants to win they need to get more competitive... However, the outrage comes from the Chinese company most likely being subsidized by the Chinese government, making it an unfair competition.
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SomeRandomGuydotdot5 days ago
+124
Ok. If it really is state subsidies right, then in essence it's China *essentially donating state money to develop Africa*. Literally, the same thing the EU is doing...
This period of involution capitalism in China *by definition* creates excess capacity. The opposite is true as well. *EU industrial capacity has been on the decline because of a lack of industrial policy*.
The EU was perfectly fine with China doing all the refining, mining, and polluting parts of the value chain *and* using involution to do it. Now, that they've reached the advanced portions of the value added manufacturing, they're pretending they have a problem with it.
But, there *is no serious interest in the EU to return to heavy industry*. As long as people keep pretending that the bottom parts of the value chain don't provide the foundation for the advanced portions, then *you're always going to lose in the bidding*. Even if they slowly withdraw subsidies from the advanced manufacturer, you're still not going to be low bid.
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tanbe1744 days ago
+13
So true , this and that basically European countries have high social security costs whereas Asian countries, in this case China do not have social security that employees have to pay
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SomeRandomGuydotdot4 days ago
+4
I don't consider that a good thing, but yea, I guess that helps keep labor costs down...
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tanbe1744 days ago
-4
It depends, Hong Kong and Singapore don’t have social security and they are thriving
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quangtit014 days ago
+5
Singapore CPF is mandatory for local worker at 20% of your salary.
Foreigner don't have to pay cpf though so it's great being a foreigner in Singapore
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loggywd4 days ago
+14
Hong Kong has mandatory 5% contribution from both employers and employees.
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tanbe1744 days ago
+7
Yes but capped to maximum 1500 HKD per month which is nothing depending on your income
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Uberj4ger4 days ago
+6
Sorry my dude but a Singapore has an equivalent
https://www.cpf.gov.sg/employer/employer-obligations
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SomeRandomGuydotdot4 days ago
-5
Shrug. Not places I'd want to live, but then again, different strokes for different folks.
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tanbe1744 days ago
+5
Sure to each their own. They have the same system as Switzerland and I love Switzerland…
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SomeRandomGuydotdot4 days ago
-4
Another place that's probably great to visit, but not one I'd like to live in.
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24sagis4 days ago
+1
Mate you’re in America
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SomeRandomGuydotdot4 days ago
+2
I'm certainly not going to be able to afford to move to the nice parts of either Hong Kong, Singapore, or Switzerland.
I'm not going to pretend that I'd be one of the people living in the nice parts or having a good job. So, yea, different strokes.
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tengo_harambe4 days ago
+31
Complaining about subsidies makes no sense because every government subsidizes its own.
Here, the EU was *itself* trying to subsidize Scania with the expectation that the funds would be paid to Scania and not a Chinese company. "Trying" is the key word here because they screwed the pooch by failing to make it a requirement that an EU company be selected.
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CeleryApple4 days ago
+28
How is Scania not subsidized when the EIB is forced to prefer EU companies....
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hoishinsauce4 days ago
+3
From EU's perspective it's unfair. Not from Senegal's.
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biblio_phile5 days ago
+14
How is a subsidized or nationalized industry unfair? Sweden is welcome to subsidize their own companies
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Tacenda82795 days ago
-15
How is it unfair... that chinese government subsidized industries... unfairly compete with european industries... and suffocate the european economy?
Geez I don't know!
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SurammuDanku5 days ago
+29
So why don't European countries do the same thing?
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Ender_Knight455 days ago
+26
Dudes just adopted austerity politics/neoliberalism as dogma and can't even fathom state intervention on the economy lol
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Tacenda82795 days ago
+3
Not even the point. It's generally not a good idea to kill your local industry by having unfair competition flood the market.
Ever heard of large corporations dropping prices to kill small businesses and then hiking them up when they have no competition...? Yeah, this is the same
Can you not fathom having a nuanced opinion on complex matters? Are we so far down the rabbit hole where saying "I believe we should protect local companies over outsider state-backed corporations" is seen as bad? Extremist? Toxic?
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Mayor__Defacto4 days ago
+18
But this isn’t local industry, this is a project in a third party country.
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Tacenda82794 days ago
-11
This HAS to be ragebait
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Crypt33x4 days ago
It a race to the bottom and who can hold out the longest until the country can't subsidize anymore.
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tannatuva_03 days ago
+1
The country with better demographics, eduction/innovation and financials.
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ExoticBamboo2 days ago
+1
The point is both no?
What does the EU gain from building capacity in Africa? Especially if its a Chinese company doin so
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Tressa_colzione5 days ago
+157
but at what cost?
\-half of the cost
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DDoubleDDog5 days ago
-36
Subsidized by the Chinese taxpayer. It's not really half the cost.
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tengo_harambe4 days ago
+24
If the project wasn't subsidized by Chinese taxpayers, it would have been subsidized by European taxpayer.
Consider this scenario: The EU gives Senegal money to pay an EU company. Apparently, this money is twice as much as a competitor can do it for. How is that not subsidizing the company?
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LikesAlgae5 days ago
+47
Would somebody think about the Chinese taxpayers?! The humanity!
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DDoubleDDog5 days ago
-23
I don't care, but Chinese taxpayers should care that their government is using their tax dollars to subsidize the profits of billionaires. It's not a very communist thing to do for a regime that calls itself communist.
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roneyxcx4 days ago
+25
Except CRRC is owned by the state, meanwhile Scania is owned by VW group. Hence why Scania has to make sure its billionaire owners make profit money from EU loan to Senegal.
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Mayor__Defacto4 days ago
+8
They don’t care, because they have a different economic system in which when companies get successful enough the government just seizes a controlling share.
China allows Billionaires to exist only as long as their existence serves the State’s interest. The moment a billionaire’s existence ceases to serve the State’s interest, the Billionaire ceases to be a Billionaire.
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enersto4 days ago
+1
As mentioned by another guy, state-owned company in China means, the government can get the profit of the company and put this profit as the public expending.
So what kind of billionaires subsidized by the gov do you mean in China?
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roneyxcx4 days ago
+15
If it's not half the cost how is it that Chinese company winning the contract? If you are not aware Sengal is on hook for paying this loan. European Infrastructure Bank is not donating any money, rather they they are just giving out an loan. Scania made no proposal to make it locally, on a technical merit Chinese bid seems far superior. If you are not aware Senegal has huge public debt problem. If you EU really want to help Sengal they shouldn't burdening an country with more debt. Offering worse solutions for access to financing is scummy at best.
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TheQuestionMaster81 day ago
+1
So the African country should pay twice the cost for the same project instead?
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Poupulino4 days ago
+1
That would be the case if it were a US/European company. In the case of China the lower costs are a combination of supply chain logistics, a colossal mining industry, extremely c**** energy and a massive industrial base bigger than the rest of the world combined.
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Rialagma4 days ago
+27
In an alternative reality: Outrage as EU gives overpriced €640M loan for buses to Finnish company. It's reported that the second tender was HALF the price for the same number of buses. Is this corruption at play?
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toran745 days ago
+23
But think of all that "soft power".
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Brief_Hospital_17665 days ago
+88
Yeah, we shouldn't be paying for Chinese infrastructure projects in Africa. The bid was less than half of what Scania (Sweden) proposed which likely means a split of the EU development monies amongst the local government leaders and the Chinese company.
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K_R_A_K_E_N_5405 days ago
+67
Scania is THE most expensive truck company, no wonder the Chinese bid is less than half.
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Brief_Hospital_17665 days ago
-80
China likely reverse engineered Scania technology to be able to bid on the project. Are you paying attention?
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Farsydi5 days ago
+90
"Reverse engineered". It's f****** buses.
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tengo_harambe4 days ago
+30
According to the article, the Chinese bid wins both on technical and financial evaluations. So if even if they did reverse engineer, they managed to make it better for less money.
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Brief_Hospital_17664 days ago
What part of Chinese government subsidy do you not understand? The ONLY way ANY company could provide a bid like that is with government backing.
This is not hard to understand, but yet, here we are...
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tannatuva_03 days ago
+6
So chinese taxpayers are essentially giving out free money to Africa through subsidies considering the chinese company is majority state owned.
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Brief_Hospital_17662 days ago
+1
Yes. But they gain a tremendous amount of soft power by doing these infrastructure projects. They're doing the same in central and south america, too. Just look at the new rail and metro lines going up in Mexico and Colombia. Without the Chinese government heavily subsidising the companies involved, there's no way they win those contracts.
It's basically what the Americans used to do before the masked slipped.
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tomatomater4 days ago
+2
Have you reinvented the wheel?
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TinkW5 days ago
+66
This doesn't even make sense.
You're saying that a company bidding less somehow means they are bribing people in order to bid LESS?
If a company bidding X means there's some bribe money in it, a company bidding 2X means what, then?
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FulltimeHobo5 days ago
+34
The question is what’s the actual profit and mark up on these projects. Are the Chinese cutting into their own bottom line to win, or is the Swedish firm just ripping EU off to fatten the oligarchs.
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tanbe1744 days ago
+15
The latter my friend, Scania just gave them the priced based on assumptions and expectations. I am quite sure half of the money is going into ceo or shareholders’s pockets
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SomeRandomGuydotdot5 days ago
+19
Involution means excess capacity by definition.
That excess capacity has to go somewhere. Historically, we'd call it dumping, but that doesn't make sense in the broader context. It's an industrial policy that allows China to create monopolies, which while not economically efficient in the western sense (at least in the short term), are geopolitically relevant.
This anger in the EU is misplaced. The EU population has little tolerance for the realities of modern mineral extraction or heavy industry. Functionally, it's abdication.
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sigmund144 days ago
+2
The Chinese are just making sure they get the majority market share in new geographic areas, business-wise. Guaranteed customers for a good few years.
They will get back the losses with renewals, extensions, additional contracts etc.
Chinese heavily invest into Africa, both in education and industries, tying Africa to China, basically making an empire.
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Brief_Hospital_17665 days ago
+4
1. The Chinese 'company' is only able to bid less because it, like all Chinese companies, are heavily subsidised by the government.
2. The company has just enough 'local' directors be considered Senegalese, when all of the direction, management, technical expertise, and production are Chinese.
3. If China wants to bid on infrastructure projects, then they can put up the money for it. In no way should we be paying China to do something our companies are perfectly capable of doing.
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big_pizza5 days ago
+20
Or how about, if they didn't want Chinese companies to bid on the projects, they should have that stipulation before they handed out the money?
If you give money to a homeless person but would be mad of they bought drugs instead of food, just buy them food. If you do give someone money, don't expect them to not spend it however they feel like, even if you feel like it's self destructive for them.
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Brief_Hospital_17664 days ago
+1
Perhaps you should have read the story. A shell company was created with Senegalese directors. However, everything else would be provided by the Chinese company.
The grant was to develop Senegalese businesses, not Chinese businesses masquerading as Senegalese.
This is not hard to understand, folks.
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Rich_Housing9715 days ago
+16
All of these are speculation.
>In no way should we be paying China to do something our companies are perfectly capable of doing.
so you want to pay a European company double for the same thing? If your companies are perfectly capable of doing it, they wouldn't have opened up the bid.
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Brief_Hospital_17664 days ago
+1
It is in no way 'speculation' to say Chinese companies are allowed to do business at the will of, and with the complete support of, the party.
I know you're not really suggesting otherwise, so your argument comes across as rather disingenuous.
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Alexexy5 days ago
+14
So instead of sliding 2 bucks from taxpayers into the pockets of European oligarchs for busses, we get mad that we are using 1 taxpayer dollar to pay for chinese busses?
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MrWFL5 days ago
+17
Instead of sliding 2 bucks in the pockets of European oligarchs, who pay for European jobs, pay 50% tax, and use that other 50% to pay other Europeans that pay 50% Tax. It goes to China, which pays 0% European tax.
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quangtit014 days ago
+2
Why don't Euroepans just loan money and stipulate that Senegal must use an European firm? It's European loan. Senegal must agree or they get no money.
Europe pretends to compete in the market, get beaten by state-sponsored actor, and now whine about it??? The answer is to make a better contract, not whining about unfairness. European is the lender. European has power to dictate where the fund goes. The fact that they f*** up enough to be undercut by China just shows that this loan was poorly inepted.
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Alexexy5 days ago
+2
Then whats with the roundabout way of making those aforementioned jobs?
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FuujinSama4 days ago
+3
This is a very ludicrous argument to make when the entire thing is about an European government subsidy that they're mad about because it was *meant* to be for Scania.
China just does this shit directly instead of subsidizing in weird loops.
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SomeRandomGuydotdot4 days ago
+10
*Think about the implications of that*.
If open bidding is considered *meant* for Scania, what does that imply about the bidding process?
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FuujinSama4 days ago
+5
That it's an absolute sham like most such bidding processes in the EU. Most of the times the technical details are discussed with one of the companies that will be bidding and engineered to rule out most direct competitors.
Anyone that's workers in the private sector with a company that bids on these projects knows it. It's not really a secret that the whole process is extremely corrupt.
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SomeRandomGuydotdot4 days ago
+11
So, if it's an open secret that open bidding is rigged in the EU, then we can fairly assume that the intent was to funnel public funds to Scania...
Why the outrage then? Why the claims of unfair competition?
Clearly, the plot has been lost by people.
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TheJeyK4 days ago
+5
Its a stupid european way to make them seem more "fair and democratic". The actual way to do it would be to explicitly state to Senegal that the loan is granted on the condition that Scania will get the contract, then the bank that issues the loan transfers the money directly to Scania while Senegal gradually repays the loan to the bank. The EUs stupid false pretenses just bit them in the ass and are bitching about it now, but Senegal's move is absolutely legit and to the benefit of their own people.
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SomeRandomGuydotdot4 days ago
+1
I agree that taking a bunch of extra subsidies is obviously to their benefit.
I disagree that it's just pretense. Public private partnerships in the West are nominally for *efficiency*. The act of open bidding is supposed to be where that efficiency is realized. That the bidding process isn't actually operating on auction mechanics and instead a political farse reveals that these large corporations aren't *private companies* in the way people love to pretend they are. (Most reasonable adults already know this)
Closed bidding carries an extra risk for corruption. It's why the GAO allows additional protest options for closed bidding! (I'm not sure what the EU or Senegalese equivalent are, but I'm sure at least the EU has it). That they choose an open bid, and that the EU interpreted this as a rigged bid, says a lot about how seriously they take accountability.
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lastethere5 days ago
I have read that on another similar case, China made also an c**** bid, but the final cost was same that what others offered.
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TheFamousHesham4 days ago
+2
It's a f****** loan.
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Brief_Hospital_17664 days ago
+1
Yes it is. In this case, a loan to China.
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ilovenoodles065 days ago
+38
Lmao EU getting butthurt.
Look at the facts: only ONE european bidder, evaluated technical/functional, half the cost.
How on earth is EU planning to win this bid? Lets assume they play the nationality card - isnt that worst because now u have ONE bidder and no one to choose from? If that is not corruption i dont know what is.
You want free market and yet you cannot handle the pressure its hilarious.
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Shirkir4 days ago
+19
Not only that, the EU company lost outright vs the technical specs of the Chinese company. So they lost twice.
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ilovenoodles064 days ago
+4
Exactly! How on earth does EU plan to even fight back against these facts? What clowns they are
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TheMaskedTom4 days ago
+3
Are you people really unable to separate "some EU parliament members" with the EU itself? It's no wonder clickbait journalism works so well.
The EU Parliament has dozens of different parties with different opinions on things. The majority created the current processes where Senegal can freely pick who they want to ask to build their project. This is the actual EU choice.
That _some people_ are mad doesn't mean the EU is butthurt. It means that some people are butthurt. Yet they are not the majority since the majority made the current processes. So this mixing of both is just factually wrong.
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Bill_Door_85 days ago
+53
If the project is being paid for by EU money then the contract should go to an EU company.
It's that simple.
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Spiritofhonour5 days ago
+34
The European rules don't actually necessarily say this.
[https://www.euractiv.com/news/eu-powerless-to-stop-china-winning-senegal-project-commission-admits/](https://www.euractiv.com/news/eu-powerless-to-stop-china-winning-senegal-project-commission-admits/)
>"For its part, the EIB said it could not ask clients “to discriminate against bidders based on nationality.” The bank did not immediately respond to *Euractiv’s* questions concerning inconsistencies between the EU’s single market rules and development policy."
Generally with bids (including this one) they will separate the financials from the technical specs and in this instance the Chinese firm beat them on both the technicals and also the financials.
>"Barry Andrews, who chairs the European Parliament’s development committee, downplayed the controversy and had a clear message for the Senegalese government. “Do what’s in your best interests,” Andrews told *Euractiv,* arguing that Europeans are essentially asking Senegal “to pay twice” by picking the Swedish bidder\*."\*
>"Senegal’s minister of transport, Yankhoba Diémé, said that the tender is done strictly by the numbers, but did not address *Euractiv’s* questions concerning whether CRRC received state aid from China. Senegalese authorities “apply exclusively the technical and financial criteria defined in the tender documents, on an equal basis for all bidders,” the minister said in an interview with *Euractiv*."
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roneyxcx4 days ago
+23
Except this is a loan, there is no free money. Ultimately Senegal has to pay back EU. Offering worse solutions for access to financing is scummy at best.
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Gustomucho5 days ago
+29
I mean, if they are made in Europe by Europeans, sure. If the European company can just turn around, buy the PV from China and stick their name on it for double the price… meh
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Traithor4 days ago
Which European car company does that?
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TheFamousHesham4 days ago
+7
Great, but I don't want to hear a single European ever b**** and moan about foreign aid because clearly it's not about foreign aid... but about propping up failing European businesses whose prices are far too expensive to be remotely competitive.
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ricecanister5 days ago
+14
if it's that simple then they should have stipulated it in the contract as a condition for providing funds, no?
does the EU prefer to pay more in their projects?
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Independent_Row_2245 days ago
+21
Then the EU shouldn’t even fund the project at all.
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Captn_Platypus4 days ago
+2
Then make that part of the deal when loaning that money out?
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Bill_Door_82 days ago
+1
Seriously, too late now though.
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Diplozo5 days ago
-1
Literally all research into foreign aid shows that that's how you make foreign aid ineffective.
-1
BunchaaMalarkey4 days ago
+4
This is a project funded by an EU institution, not directly EU money or loans. If they think they'll get money back plus interest,, then the EIB probably doesn't truly care.
I don't think the EU could possibly have not anticipated this result, other than SCANIA being beaten *also* in technical aspects. Let that be a wakeup call, I say.
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ai99094 days ago
+2
Technical specs on paper may or may not meet the rigors of accuracy, reliability, or repeatability.
May be a one-off, but I recently installed a variable frequency drive (EU product) for a client who purchased a brand new custom motor (China product). I configured the vfd to the given specs of that motor but when i put it through its paces, the motor info was clearly wrong; unable to handle its own full speed with stability, settling far above its stated nominal current, and severe harmonic issues at certain speeds. Had to make it fixed-speed at a much lower frequency to maintain reliable/stable operation.
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Charming_Beyond36395 days ago
+9
What was the competing bid? Oh right double the cost for less gained for senegal.
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h1nds4 days ago
+10
Why is the EU paying for a project in Senegal? Aren’t most of the big EU countries in debt/recession?
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TheJeyK4 days ago
+16
Its a loan, not free money.
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ai99094 days ago
+5
stimulates job retention/creation by artificially propping up international demand for EU services/products.
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Shoddy-Fan-5842 days ago
+2
It's a loan. They are trying to profit off their advantageous capital situation.
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Master-Rent50505 days ago
+23
Translation: China is paying (via subsides) a good chunk of the project, and some European company is unhappy that it cannot wet its beak
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bm_2006595 days ago
+14
Is this good for Senegal? Can they get more value for the money this way? Is the point of the "EU-funded contract" to help Senegal or to direct the funds back to EU? Altruism doesn't seem to be what it is these days.....
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Abridged62515 days ago
+4
Why can't they be more direct and use the money to create a company with 50/50 Senegalese/Scania ownership and hire locals and import Swedish experts? Would deepen ties between Senegal and the EU, Senegal gets revenue and technical support and EU gets influence and jobs. If they care about competing with China they need to be more hands-on.
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FuujinSama4 days ago
+7
Because rationally organizing an economy is communism, of course. Can't allow that. Neo-liberalism is our new god.
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Complete-Sort16175 days ago
+9
I’m so outraged
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IgnoranceIsTheEnemy4 days ago
+3
The EU being clowned on again
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Dio443 days ago
+1
The funniest thing here is the EU companies would be over budget and miss the timeline.
Specific to the US, states would be smart to consider China for major infrastructure projects if you want effluent tax dollar spending.
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evilfungi2 days ago
+1
It's good for Senegal, money loan from the EU and they get to save money on a business contract. A win win situation
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Pitiful-Target-30942 days ago
+1
Are they going to have the same level of outrage when projects are awarded to heavily subsidized American tech companies?
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PorgCT5 days ago
If you want to know what the future is going to look like, China is financing international green energy projects while the U.S. pays domestic projects to shut down.
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BadBadGrades4 days ago
+1
China allows for there companies to “give gifts, to decision makers. In eu they call it bribery and it’s forbidden.
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iannoyyou1014 days ago
-2
Just remove the money and tell Sénégal to f*** off
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Sbrubbles5 days ago
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Why not just pay 320 million to the chinese company for the infrastructure project then give 320 million in tax breaks to european companies?
Would cost the same as paying 640 million for an european company to do the infrastructure project in the first place.
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MrWFL5 days ago
+5
No, those tax dollars don't bring economies of scale, nor European jobs.
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WonderfulPotential293 days ago
Simple. Cancel the project. Let them pay for it themself
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brainrotxx5 days ago
-15
how about china get the f*** out? worry about your own land turning into a desert
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yksvaan4 days ago
EU crying because they're bad in making business and deals... what's new?
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