Fun fact: Iraqi jets bombed Iran using conventional and chemical weapons during the Iran–Iraq War, then a few years later, those exact same jets flew back to Iran and their pilots took the bus home, stranding the planes in Iran.
It was because Iraq was being bombed by coalition forces during the Gulf War and it was better to strand your planes in a former enemy's territory rather than have them destroyed on the ground.
Ironically, it's even possible that one of Iranian jets now parked in Pakistan was originally used by Iraq to bomb Iran.
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AstrocoderMay 12, 2026
+177
Then at the end of the war Iran didnt return the jets.
177
TinyFugueMay 12, 2026
+190
*I, against my brothers. I and my brothers against my cousins. I and my brothers and my cousins against the world.*
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ProfessorPetrusMay 12, 2026
+20
This is encapuslating. What it from?
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iLikeSaintsMay 12, 2026
+39
Seems to be an "old Bedouin saying".
39
MaybeTheDoctorMay 12, 2026
+26
So Pakistan now have new jets?
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PieHole_PokerMay 12, 2026
+42
No they're really old
42
StatusCount7032May 12, 2026
+20
With one, F5, reportedly being able to sneak in and doing a bombing raid in Kuwait.
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PieHole_PokerMay 12, 2026
+16
People often confuse low tech with bad tech. The only problem with these low tech planes is supply and logistics...
If it were me and I had a small little Air Force I would have P-51 mustangs built to today's standards and with modern tech.
Get low. get fast. get dirty
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ivan927May 12, 2026
+13
I like this idea. a fleet of Super Tucanos.
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PieHole_PokerMay 12, 2026
+3
Super duper
3
2NailsMay 12, 2026
+21
The infamous Pakistani "3000 Black Jets of Allah"
21
xerberosMay 12, 2026
+5
Painting small bombs on the side of the aircraft to symbolize completed bombing missions must get a little awkward.
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[deleted]May 12, 2026
+1424
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ValuableUpset9348May 12, 2026
+449
And not just any military base,, but one of the most important ones where all high level pak officers are also trained and live, and closest military base to capital lol.
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TadpoleOfDoomMay 12, 2026
+91
Wasn't it their air force academy or something?
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algos_are_aliveMay 12, 2026
+140
It's like the West Point of USA: most important for leadership training.
140
Pani_ki_bottleMay 12, 2026
+17
Was he a guest lecturer or something?
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HuckleberryHot4551May 12, 2026
+16
He was there as guest faculty. They just had to dial 911 to summon him.
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[deleted]May 12, 2026
+33
[removed]
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ValuableUpset9348May 12, 2026
+35
It has everything. That's why most important one.
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ArsiCharsiMay 12, 2026
+8
It’s a Military Academy, not a base. And all the high ranking officers are in GHQ which is in Rawalpindi (Different city) not Abbottabad. Still pretty important.
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TheDarthSnarfMay 12, 2026
+3
> and closest military base to capital lol.
This isn't quite true.
The location of the house where Osama Bin Laden was hiding, and the nearby Pakistan Military Academy, are in Abbottabad, ~2 hours north of the capital of Islamabad.
There are multiple military bases in the immediate vicinity of Islamabad/Rawalpindi including, but not limited to, the Islamabad Defense Complex, Noor Khan Airbase, Dhamial Airbase, the 111th Infantry Brigade HQ (Capital Security).
There are still several other facilities, PAF Minhas (Air Force Base) for example, which are closer to Islamabad than the military Pakistan Military Academy/Abbottabad.
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Nederlander1May 12, 2026
+125
Pakistan may need some freedom from the sound of it
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marshalistMay 12, 2026
+88
They don't have oil I'm afraid.
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LaconicLacedaemonianMay 12, 2026
+42
Just sprinkle some when they're not looking
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VellusMay 13, 2026
+1
Open and shut case Johnson. Now let's get out of here.
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Mobile-Base7387May 12, 2026
+3
didn't they discover a bunch off the coast in the past couple years?
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sol-4May 12, 2026
+1
They keep discovering it wherever their military needs a new distraction and needs something that feels like hope to fool their ever so willing populace.
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deja-rooMay 12, 2026
+3
Neither did Afghanistan?
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redpoemageMay 12, 2026
+15
Having oil or not is way less important than having nukes.
15
jbrunsonfanMay 12, 2026
+16
Than making* nukes
Actually having them is the safest thing for you
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tirigbasanMay 12, 2026
+51
They have nukes so it's a no go I'm afraid
51
Ecureuil02May 12, 2026
+11
Nukes and nuts. What could go wrong.
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AkiasakiasMay 12, 2026
+3
Tell that to OBL
3
Anxiety_FitMay 12, 2026
+28
Why they always stirring the pot? Past performance something something future fuckery?
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Time-Weekend-8611May 12, 2026
+42
Because if the conflict ends, so does the gravy train. It's in Pakistan's interest to keep any conflicts that they're tangentially involved in going as long as possible.
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marshalistMay 12, 2026
+6
The gravey train concept is for US audiences. Pakistani strategic goals are not dependent on US political squabbling.
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pineapplesuit7May 12, 2026
+21
Their whole way of survival is handouts. For that to happen, they need constant turmoil in the region so US becomes involved and they use their bases to run their operations. That was literally their whole role in the Afgan war where they egged US to find Bin Laden by bombing it only to have him sheltered on their military bases for years.
Even this diplomacy stunt is to keep them in their good books so the next IMF loan passes or they’ll need to sell some more assets to China otherwise.
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FlacidPhilMay 12, 2026
+14
Being the world police is awesome. 10 more wars! 10 more wars!
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Raccoon_RatatouilleMay 12, 2026
+4
Bold of you to assume the Pakistani govt and military is competent enough to pull that off
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TheHomersapienMay 12, 2026
+14
And Obama did nothing.
Then Trump took office and his first overseas trip was to...England? Germany? Israel? Nope. Straight to his Wahhabi terrorist pals in The Kingdom, where he partied, danced, and cosplayed Jihad. Now he has his Qatar bribe jet, crypto fraud, and is still selling strangely overpriced Trump properties to men in robes.
The American government bends the knee to terrorist Islamic states and nobody really seems to care (in the U.S., anyway).
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SignorJCMay 12, 2026
+32
> And Obama did nothing.
i mean he did authorize the strike that killed bin laden without informing them, so not exactly nothing.
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Vegetable_Maize_2054May 12, 2026
+136
How weird is this shit? Pakistan has jets in Saudi Arabia to protect against Iran but then is protecting Iranian jets.
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Royal-Hunter3892May 12, 2026
+703
Deja vu moment.!
Similar situation happened before
They were major non nato ally of America, they took billions of dollars from US for fighting against taliban and Al qaeda, but they played "double game" with US by sheltering and providing safe havens to them especially to "OBL".
Here's what Trump said In his tweet about Pakistan in his first term .
Donald J Trump
The United States has foolishly given Pakistan more than 33 billion dollars in aid over the last 15 years, and they have given us nothing but lies & deceit, thinking of our leaders as fools. They give safe haven to the terrorists we hunt in Afghanistan, with little help. No more!
1 Jan 2018.
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BendicantMiasMay 12, 2026
+309
>thinking of our leaders as fools. They give safe haven to the terrorists we hunt in Afghanistan, with little help. No more!
Well he's not wrong. It's just that he's the fool now. He's even proved it by them doing it to him too now.
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Royal-Hunter3892May 12, 2026
+120
The fact that the American president Trump has put the US in a position where he has to take assistance and rely on "pakistan" for a face saving offramp from the iran conflict is in itself a big humiliation and a downfall.
US pakistan are like a couple trapped in a obsessive toxic relationship. First they become FWB , but then they start abusing and hurting each other , then they break up .then after some time they agree to become FWB and the cycle repeats .
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Alone_Again_2May 12, 2026
+24
I guess the simple math is friends with nukes are preferable to enemies with nukes.
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BendicantMiasMay 12, 2026
+29
The US supported Pakistan during the Cold War even before it had nuclear weapons. Realpolitik has no place for friendship, only utility. Pakistan was a 'friend' cos the US was hostile to India then, and in fact to the whole Non-Aligned Movement (NAM) project.
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Worth-Lead-5944May 12, 2026
+15
You have that backwards. Pakistan wasn't befriended because the US was hostile to India. The US had no intention of being hostile to India, it sought to use Pakistan as part of its containment strategy vs the USSR and accidentally found itself aligned against India as a byproduct of coordinating with Pakistan.
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veeyoMay 12, 2026
+14
I hate Trump but agree fully with that tweet from 2018.
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Hector_P_CattMay 12, 2026
+125
Pakistan is the poster child for why places like North Korea and Iran want nuclear weapons. After 9/11, Afghanistan was invaded and occupied for helping Al Qaeda, while Pakistan, which was just as dirty, got billions in aid. The difference? The Bomb.
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Hjem_DMay 12, 2026
+56
not to mention their chief scientist gave tech to Iran and North Korea.
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SeaworthinessSome454May 12, 2026
+29
It’s no secret that having a nuke is a good thing for your country. That doesn’t mean we should let everyone have one.
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Hector_P_CattMay 12, 2026
+21
The problem is the notion that we can just "let" countries have nukes, or not "let" them have them as we see fit. The reality is a bit more difficult, as Trump should be discovering about now, but probably isn't. North Korea was one of the poorest and most isolated countries in the world, and yet they managed to build a bomb. Sanctions can only do so much, and as we're seeing, the military alternative isn't a cake walk.
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SeaworthinessSome454May 12, 2026
+3
Yeah, the military option isn’t a cakewalk but it’s a hell of a lot better than letting a country that has said they want to destroy your country for nearly 50 years get a nuclear bomb. There’s no good options here, only less terrible
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Crimson_MarksmanMay 13, 2026
+2
You can't really stop a country from trying to make one unless you do a full on invasion. Despite the sanctions, North Korea got it's nuke.
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385727883419May 13, 2026
+1
The fact that Americans think they should be the ones to "let" or not "let" other countries have nuclear sovereignty is precisely why every country should have a dozen nukes or so, and missiles that can reach the continental US.
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Time-Weekend-8611May 12, 2026
+99
Pakistan has a whole business model built around playing the US for a sucker. It's possibly their single largest source of revenue.
Ever since George Bush's war on terror, each incoming US President has believed that Pakistan "is with us" that *this time* they could be counted on to do what the US wants of them and by the time the sitting President grows disillusioned, their term is over and a new President comes in, and the whole cycle starts all over again.
Every single time it ends the same way and yet the US never learns. Pakistan *will* stab the US in the back, *always.* Because if they don't the conflict gets wrapped up in the US' favor and as soon as the conflict is wrapped up, the gravy train to Pakistan ends. So it is in their best interests to keep conflicts going as long as possible. Because as long as that's happening, they're a needed US ally and that comes with privileges and favors - privileges and favors like the US turning a blind eye to Pakistan sponsoring terrorist groups to deploy against India.
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ShakethatYamMay 12, 2026
+20
Meanwhile India: "They can't keep getting away with this!"
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DescriptionOld6832May 12, 2026
+14
Been happening for way longer than Bush.
We've been giving billions to Pakistan since the 70s. They've been playing us for fools since the 70s.
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evangeMay 12, 2026
+17
That sounds way too coherent to be a trump quote.
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borkmeisterMay 12, 2026
+26
Look at his tweets/Truths from 2015, 2020, and then now and you'll see a pretty interesting pattern. They are becoming more and more like the tone and rhetoric of his speech; I think he started with aides tweeting for him, but now we are getting things direct from the source.
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Jordan_JacksonMay 12, 2026
+17
You have to remember that this is Trump in 2018. That’s 8 years ago. That’s a long time for dementia/Alzheimer’s or whatever he has, to wreak havoc. I’m not going to say that the things he was saying were smart but he was a lot more coherent and able to formulate ideas and sentences back then. Watch Trump talk back then vs now and you will see a stark contrast in cognition and overall body language.
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LastXmasIGaveYouHSVMay 12, 2026
+3
Donald "Broken Clock" Trump.
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DraanoMay 12, 2026
+2
> The United States has foolishly given Pakistan more than 33 billion dollars in aid over the last 15 years, and they have given us nothing but lies & deceit, thinking of our leaders as fools. They give safe haven to the terrorists we hunt in Afghanistan, with little help. No more!
Didn't he also invite the Taliban to Camp David for secret talks?
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bestestopinionMay 12, 2026
+413
Is this the same Pakistan who hosted Osama Bin Laden?
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innocent_bystanderMay 12, 2026
+99
Also gave shelter to the Taliban post 9/11.
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Longjumping-Bat8347May 12, 2026
+198
Yes. The same Pakistan that had Govt officials attend a terrorist’s funeral along with fellow terrorists and head of a banned organisation, yet insisted they were civilians.
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socalwrxxMay 12, 2026
+15
And the same Osama Bin Laden who was part of the mujahideen funded, well equiped, and trained by the CIA ?
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wellwaffledMay 12, 2026
+58
That was decades before 9/11 when he was usefully fighting the Russians, not American civilians.
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BendicantMiasMay 12, 2026
+31
The point is he's another example of how Americas' fuckery abroad keeps coming back to bite it in the ass eventually. Even Iran is an example of that actually - [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953\_Iranian\_coup\_d%27%C3%A9tat](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d%27%C3%A9tat)
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Mara_avs01May 12, 2026
+167
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pakistan%E2%80%93NATO\_relations](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pakistan%E2%80%93NATO_relations)
Isnt Pakistan a major non nato ally and is presently a negotiatior? How does this even work.
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yuikkiuyMay 12, 2026
+140
They are a strategic ally but have always been a major ideological foe, this has not changed ever.
And are mainly relevant due to having nukes and as a check against India during the cold war.
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Wheres_my_wank_sockMay 12, 2026
+80
Let's also not forget that the bulk of the fertilizer used to make IEDs also came from Pakistan during the war in Afghanistan.
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marshalistMay 12, 2026
+9
How many IEDs were made with fertiliser? This sounds like US claims during the Iraq war that Iran was supplying bits and bobs for IEDs. I remember when that was in the news cycle with photos of blankets with said bits and bobs (used) there was a report that the US had lost 125000 small arms in Iraq. Where they went well who can know these things.
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jaa101May 12, 2026
+36
> How does this even work.
Well if there was a declared war then a neutral nation would find harbouring the military assets of a combatant nation to be a problem, as in, risking its status as neutral. But, as it's only a special military operation, it's much less clear. All the traditional rules and conventions are out the window with the Orange Entity anyway, and his attitude reverses twice weekly, so who knows.
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BendicantMiasMay 12, 2026
+21
If this was a declared war, then said war would be already over by now as it hasn't been authorized by Congress post the 60 days limit. *But ofc that war is already over now!* The US is now in the ***second undeclared war*** \- *with the same nation that it was just in an undeclared war with the previous day!*
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PiotrekDGMay 12, 2026
+5
Aren't undeclared wars fun? This message was brought to you by the military-industrial complex.
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ChangsManagementMay 12, 2026
+4
I suspect some anonymous Pakistani official will be buying a lot of Trump coin soon
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TraditionalAlps722May 12, 2026
+3
As a neutral mediator it makes complete sense to provide a neutral shelter imo. Proves commitment to peaceful resolution.
As long as Iranian jets arent taking off and taking part in operations i dont see anything wrong with it.
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huangsede69May 12, 2026
+1
Yes, it's a reflection of either incompetency and disagreement at the highest levels of their own government or it is an actual example of 4D chess.
They are playing all sides, which any good middle power country basically has to do. They have to balance security and relationships with Iran, Saudi, US, India, and Russia effectively surrounding them. Not to mention at soft state of war with Afghanistan. No choice but to get crafty.
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imthefakeagentMay 12, 2026
+42
Sounds like free fighter jets for Pakistan?
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BendicantMiasMay 12, 2026
+37
They aren't gonna steal them lol. The last thing Pakistan wants is its own war with Iran when it's already dealing with the oil shock from the US' war, a stalemated potential forever war with Afghanistan, and an ever more assertive India ready to hit back at Pakistan for all the shit they pull against it. Even its patron China would be against them doing that.
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deja-rooMay 12, 2026
+11
Iran cannot afford a conflict with Pakistan. You have this all backwards. The only thing holding up Pakistan is its ongoing conflict with the Taliban, which is getting more protracted than they expected.
Tehran has no ability to project military force across its Pakistani border at this point and doesn't need *another* nation itching to drop bombs on it.
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imthefakeagentMay 12, 2026
+9
I mean if Iran never comes to collect as with Iraqi jets in Iran, who's gonna stop them from being claimed?
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FirstDaggerMay 12, 2026
+10
Pakistan already has miles better jets than this, they don't need them.
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akmalhotMay 12, 2026
+83
Good thing the US spent the last 7 decades siding with Pakistan over india
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SinistralGuyMay 12, 2026
+14
Have we not learned that US alliances mean nothing? They've been threatening NATO allies for the past year.
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Intrepid_Top_2300May 12, 2026
+21
Pakistan? You mean Trumps buddies in the negotiations? Who would have guessed that?
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nvgroupsMay 12, 2026
+39
Pak is the epicenter of double game.
Western powers poured billions and got nothing
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Moriar-TMay 13, 2026
+3
The Pakistanis got nothing as well.
Oligarchs stashed it overseas
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Zanina_wolfMay 13, 2026
+2
Even the Chinese government disliked them. During some confrontation between US and Chinese diplomats over Chinese support for Pakistan, one of them sarcastically remarked that "pakistan to us is what Israel is to the US"
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yaknowdadrillMay 12, 2026
+4
They learned a lot from the US and Israel
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Mishka_1994May 12, 2026
+9
The country that hosted Bin Laden and allowed the Taliban to operate from there is doing this this? Im shocked I tell you.... /s
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Creepy-Bell-4527May 12, 2026
+48
Why do we pretend these people are our allies when they take advantage and laugh at us at every turn?
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TwoMarcMay 12, 2026
+48
You could make the same statement about the USA.
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SegullMay 12, 2026
+18
No idea man, after they hid Osama from us we should have cut relations (and definitely all aid). They are playing us and are not our ally
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shu-toMay 12, 2026
+4
Friends don't let friends get their jets blown up while helping their other friends end the war or some such nonsense.
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Pumpkins_Are_FruitsMay 12, 2026
+4
Like we give a f***
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ImaRiskitMay 12, 2026
+6
Not a shocker at all. Most of the terrorists in Afghanistan when I was working there from 2013-2019 came across the border from Pakistan into Afghanistan.
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WeakBlueberry5071May 12, 2026
+8
But they was oblitneianreted!! 😠
^/s
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Trid1977May 12, 2026
+4
The peace talks are being mediated through Pakistan.
How neutral is Pakistan?
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_x_oOo_x_May 12, 2026
+27
Will be interesting to see if the Americans will shy away from striking Pakistan or not. After all it's a country with a nuclear arsenal
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BendicantMiasMay 12, 2026
+26
Nukes or no nukes, *you want Trump to start a war with yet another country?* Hasn't he messed up enough?
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Kind_Silver_1921May 12, 2026
+9
Listnookors be like war is evil
And then when Trump doesn't bomb civilians after he said he was going to, they make fun of him and call him taco
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ineververifyMay 12, 2026
+2
It has Nukes so it’s a legit sovereign country. Otherwise see: Ukraine, Iran.
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DDoubleDDogMay 12, 2026
+13
Pakistan is a state sponsor of terrorism and deserves to be sanctioned and boycotted.
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Worth-Lead-5944May 12, 2026
+7
The US is a state sponsor of Pakistan and...
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DDoubleDDogMay 12, 2026
+7
Pakistan is a state sponsor of terrorism. I'm not going to let you change the subject.
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Full_Reputation_7419May 12, 2026
+13
I think you missed the point here, he's not disagreeing with you.
Let's accept your premise, if you sponsor something then you're responsible for it and that Pakistan sponsors terror. Sure, fine, no arguments there. We create a chain and responsibility flows up the chain.
You're saying the chain goes
Pakistan -> Terror groups
The problem is that the US funds and supports Pakistan. Everyone agrees on that. It's in the official US budget. It's above the table. The chain is objectively
United States -> Pakistan -> Terror groups
That means that if we're accepting all of your points as uncontested, if we're agreeing that sponsoring = responsibility and that Pakistan = state sponsor of terrorism, then we have a problem.
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toronto1572May 12, 2026
+2
Very interesting… considering Pakistan has some kind of defense agreement with Saudi Arabia…… wonder what kind of background deals are going on…. No wonder the UAE is willing to attack with jets .
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KreidlerMay 12, 2026
+5
Pakistan is in da bag 🍇
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cursortoxyzMay 12, 2026
+6
PILOT, GRAPE! 🍇🇵🇰
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Niceguy955May 12, 2026
+5
Just like they let Bin Laden park his ass in their country while the US spent years looking for him in the Afghanistan tunnels. Pakistan received funds and support from the US for years only to shiv it in the back. Now they're pretending they're a "neutral mediator".
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AkiasakiasMay 12, 2026
+3
The US would never attack into Pakistan.
Oh wait...
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BendicantMiasMay 12, 2026
+2
>Pakistan, while it played a diplomatic conduit between Tehran and Washington, reportedly allowed Iranian military planes to use its airfields as parking, following the outbreak of conflict in the Middle East, potentially shielding them from American and Israeli airstrikes. Tehran also parked some of its civilian aircraft in neighbouring Afghanistan, though it was not clear if military planes were among those flights, CBS News reported, quoting sources.
>Sources told the American publication that Tehran moved several of its key defence assets to Pakistan Air Force Base in Nur Khan, located just outside Rawalpindi. The strategically important military installation, located near Islamabad, provided a secure shelter for Iran to protect its military and aviation assets while Pakistan officially mediated truce efforts between Tehran and Washington.
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GoldenBowlerhatMay 12, 2026
+2
...but Spain, Italy, the UK, Germany: THEY are the bad allies, amirite?
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StatisticianIll4425May 12, 2026
+1
So, per Iran thinking, the US could take them out in Pakistan?
Like Iran has done to anyone letting the US use their country for military bases?
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Magical-MycologistMay 12, 2026
+2
Pakistan has nukes. No one is f****** with them, and even if this is true watch the US do nothing about it.
One more reason that countries around the world should seek the nuke. It truly keeps your sovereignty safe from the bully-powers.
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RexRonnyMay 12, 2026
+1
Well worth to remember is that Pakistan has tribal areas outside government reach in in practice without jurisdiction. Nearby the Afgan border is the most well known. On both sides of the border. These areas are very hard to access due to mountainous terrain, lack of roads, infrastructure and general hostility to most outsiders; both domestic or foreign.
These «wild west territories» been a safe haven for Taliban and other islamist warriors for years. Based on Tribal ruling, not governmental. These regions also operate as a country within their country; by both Afganistan and Pakistan and reject any governmental meddling.
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BendicantMiasMay 12, 2026
+27
>Sources told the American publication that Tehran moved several of its key defence assets to Pakistan Air Force Base in Nur Khan, ***located just outside Rawalpindi***. The strategically important military installation, ***located near Islamabad***,
This is very much within the Pakistani govts. control. Irans' planes are there with their blessing.
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hastinapurMay 12, 2026
+1
American non NATO ally with president’s favorite field marshal
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