I wonder why Saudi Arabia keeps arming itself to the teeth but never uses those weapons even when they're under attack.
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Vijigishu1 day ago
+837
Skill issue
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Ultra_Metal1 day ago
+159
If they know they can't wield those weapons, then why pay so much money for them?
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Jemsy11 day ago
+265
Borderline useless military, kept intentionally weak to prevent a coup. Might as well buy all the cool toys if you have the money. Can act as a deterrent if your neighbor has a bunch of high tech shit.
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milo_peng1 day ago
+151
To ensure the countries that they bought those weapons from stay vested in Saudi defense/geopolitics. (E.g Americans, Europeans).
Effectively, weapon purchases are just influence operations for the Saudis or outright bribes (the infamous Al Yamamah deals with the UK)
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Enough-Ocelot-18871 day ago
+40
Them Saudis sure like their toys. The more expensive the happier they are.
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BitterConstruction981 day ago
+44
They want Iran to think they can
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Overtwoandahalf1 day ago
+11
Money is no issue to these guys
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Money-Ad-5451 day ago
+5
Money is the issue, why should they fight for themselves? Just use monies and pay the poors to do it.
Aren’t expecting a rich person to learn how to fly a fighter jet or learn to fight are you? That requires effort.
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OnceIWasKovic1 day ago
+28
>money
Alliances. Get the latest and greatest Western tech and they'll defend your country
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grumpy_autist1 day ago
+2
Well, did they?
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_HIST23 hr ago
+1
Yeah? Were they invaded? No. Were 99% of shit shot down? Yes.
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PugilisticCat1 day ago
+7
Making friends in high places.
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belketeal1 day ago
+4
It makes them seem modern and advanced which is good for PR and gives citizens a sense of superiority and security. It also is a way to buy American protection by purchasing American weapons.
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Tango_D1 day ago
+2
To keep the Saud family in power by acting as a deterrent against any potential uprising
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Temporary_Stick_66641 day ago
+9
Quite literally 🤣
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Shafter1111 day ago
+1
Its a feature; not a bug
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lombardi-bug1 day ago
+78
I’ve heard the Saudi Air Force is more like a flying club for the royal family and their friends. Some countries even refuse to train with them because the Saudi pilots are so poorly trained.
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brainy_bearded_brown1 day ago
+40
Saudi pilots in fact had the highest rate of pilot error in the world on the F-15s
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gametime99361 day ago
+7
When they are trained they end up either never flying again or dying because of a dumbass who fucks up during maintenance. I dont know about the legitimacy of this story but a friend of a friend of mine, he had a great track record and was trained in the UK. He complained multiple times that the information systems he had were wrong or inaccurate and it was put off or ignored up until he did a night drill and crashed straight into the ground.
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copilot_husky1 day ago
+128
Trust issue.
Saudi unlike modern forces do not empower soldiers l, officers or generals. They literally have Pakistani generals as head and council to MBS.
All monarchies and dictators are more afraid of there people and army then outside invaders.
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TungstenEnthusiast1 day ago
+17
well makes sense for them, pakistan empowered generals and they took over the country
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Alib6681 day ago
+13
The deal in Saudi is America takes the losses so your citizens don’t have to, in response you sell oil in dollars.
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BoppityBop21 day ago
+11
One thing you have to understand is the Saudi don't have a military they have a glorified police forces whose main goal is to put down local unrest. If you though Iraq or Syria army is bad, wait till you learn about the Gulf States. If their armies left the country to fight a war, the country would literally be ripe for somerl rebellion.
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BigDickSeaLion1 day ago
+37
they spent years bombing the shit out of yemen
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Cippledtimmy1 day ago
+15
Which went terribly
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gametime99361 day ago
+4
That wedding in yemen was a real threat tho you can’t blame them. F****** young people living happily ever after. F*** that.
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Thuradzon1 day ago
+5
Doesn't matter how much money you have. Arab armies aren't great in warfare. They're good at keeping the population from revolting and overthrowing the dictatorships though. Saudi Arabia has a TON of weapons from all the major powers and weapons suppliers.
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williamgman1 day ago
+3
Because they know someone else always will.
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ExtraCan1 day ago
+1
Of all the Muslim denominations out there, Saudi Arabia is the weakest militarily and most likely to lose a Jihad.
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Nasli-Faqeer1 day ago
-6
They would've if it wasn't iran . MBS has recently been trying to soften Iranian and Saudi ties especially after the Qatar attacks by Israel.
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East-Ad-76651 day ago
+32
What? There were a bunch of reports coming out that MBS was one of the people pushing Trump hard to continue the war with Iran
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Nasli-Faqeer1 day ago
-3
https://www.ft.com/content/2721947c-613c-4496-8900-e9c87ae9f64f?syn-25a6b1a6=1
He bet hard on Iran before the war , they had some of the highest level dialougue in decades and even a couple days ago the Saudi FM and Iranian FM talked.
The only reason MBS might have asked trump to ramp up attacks is because Iran began to target oil infrastructure in Saudi leaving him with no choice.
Which I think in of itself is a bridge Iran will regret burning later on.
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mhornberger1 day ago
+2
Saudi Arabia was also working to normalize relations with Israel, which is why Iran helped fund and plan the 7 October attack to destabilize the situation and sideline the Abraham Accords. I don't think they're pro-Iran, rather they just want to reduce tensions in the region. Whereas Iran is still dedicated to the destruction of Israel, and wanting to be the hegemon of the region.
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rayEW1 day ago
-13
Are you all stupid?
Saudi has a thriving population with lots of business and a new open mentality for it, MBS regardless of Listnook opinion, is trying to create a developed country, bringing investment outside of oil.
Saudi starts retaliating at Iran and Iran achieves a major goal, which is to destroy the idea of a GCC paradise, they will bomb the shit of Riyadh and Aramco, end any interest in foreign investment in Saudi and setback MBS and his plans on 30+ years.
The war of Shia vs Sunni is Iran's objective of religious dominance, making the GCC block a global economic superpower is the Saudi's objective.
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scfade1 day ago
+7
> MBS regardless of Listnook opinion
You know full f****** well what he did, it's not "Listnookor opinions."
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rayEW1 day ago
+3
Iranian regime got less than 0.001% of the hate from killing 40k protesters than MBS got from killing one reporter.
Yeah I know he ain't the nicest guy in the park, but compared to all leaders in the region, he is one of the most reasonable and progressive.
You guys can downvote all you want, but the non basement dwellers who travel, work around the world, have been to the middle east, know there's a chasm between your opinion and reality.
I'm a westerner catholic living for over 8 years in the GCC in different countries. I would never even step a foot in Iran, even years before the war.
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tobiascuypers1 day ago
+5
This does nothing for answering the question about why Saudi doesn’t use their military in any meaningful way, even for defensive purposes it seems. In capable of protecting their own assets already, no wonder they don’t want to risk further provocation.
Iran is the bully that they can’t stand up to so they hide behind daddy yankee
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rayEW1 day ago
-1
What do you mean doesn't use for defensive purposes. Iran tried to encircle Saudi with proxies from underneath (Houthis) and from the north (Iraq Hezbollah) and Syria. They fought those proxy wars for years in conflicts of interest.
Iran attacked Saudi in a limited way for several reasons, they got 5% of what UAE got, that's deterrance. They are on the way to get F35s btw...
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SkinnyInABeanie1 day ago
-3
Most countries are (hopefully)never going to use their nuclear weaponary but it's good to have. Just in case.
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Hm462901 day ago
+4
Saudi does not have nuclear weapons.
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AdSufficient52291 day ago
-1
Let me introduce you to Yemen and Sudan
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d1andonly1 day ago
+147
Perfect timing!
After the dust has settled.
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Money-Can-1631 day ago
+15
Sand in v***** problem carry two meanings there
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rugbyspank1 day ago
-16
Ew sexism
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mcmonky1 day ago
Funded by the US.
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callsonreddit2 days ago
+69
>A Pakistani military contingent has arrived in Saudi Arabia’s Eastern Province under a joint defence agreement and at a time of risk of renewed Iranian drone and missile strikes.
>Saudi Arabia’s Ministry of Defence said on Saturday that the deployment to King Abdulaziz Air Base includes fighter jets and support aircraft from the Pakistan Air Force.
>The two countries signed a strategic defence agreement last year, with the aim of strengthening military co-ordination and raising the operational readiness of their armed forces.
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EquivalentOne2411 day ago
+80
Why didn't they send it during the 5 weeks of war when the Saudis were getting attacked? What's the point of sending it after the damage has been done and there is a ceasefire?
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rononoadakait1 day ago
+57
to keep appearances
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theytriedtoeatbushsr1 day ago
+22
Saudi Arabia never requested them to join. They can't randomly bring air power to a country.
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Groundbreaking_Can_41 day ago
+7
Yeah like a lot of people here seem not to understand that saudi would want the defense pact activated and Pakistan can't just barge in. Like how India didn't suddenly roll up even though they have defense agreement with UAE
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babloochoudhury1 day ago
+24
India's agreement with the UAE is not a defense pact like Saudi Arabia's and Pakistan's. Any attack on Saudi Arabia is viewed as a simultaneous attack on Pakistan as per their defense pact.
Pakistan is in between a rock and a hard place (i.e., Saudi Arabia and Iran) given Iran's attacks on Saudi Arabia. Pakistan shares a 900 km border with Iran and is also beholden to Saudi Arabia by the defense pact.
It is for this reason, Pakistan is desperately trying to mediate a ceasefire between the US and Iran.
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Pure-Toxicity1 day ago
+26
They don't have a defense treaty like the PSMDP they just agreed to "deepen military cooperation" Which could mean anything.
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gymAndmuthi1 day ago
+14
Indian defence pact is safe removal of Indians, nothing more. While the UAE does good for the Indian economy, India does not see it as a close ally like for example Israel and Russia. We will not interfere militarily in this conflict as it is a dumb AF conflict started by Pedos and religious fanatics. India has better things to do.
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woolcoat1 day ago
-1
Because this is about deterrence to try to keep the ceasefire, that’s why you’re hearing about China arming Iran. No one wants for this war to restart so everyone is upping the stakes.
Going in after the war started would’ve escalated this into ww3, hence everyone sat on the sidelines.
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Mysterious-Ad-99361 day ago
+2
Yeah but then why is UK sending a ton of interceptors to Bahrain?
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BadAzz22002 days ago
-16
What should pakistani military do Against Iran. Haven’t they see which respect Iran is getting from majority of the world . EU is not included, they are bastards .
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Vincensius_I1 day ago
+6
I'm asking myself if you are a American or an Iranian troll
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cyberianscribe2 days ago
+78
The tendrils of different wars are becoming intertwined.
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InternationalMix15211 day ago
+3
Said appendages seemingly have endless vines on which to prosper.
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RarelyReadReplies1 day ago
+1
When is it WW3? With all the proxies involved, it kind of feels like we're already there.
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cyberianscribe1 day ago
+1
Does seem like we heading in that direction.
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nishitd1 day ago
+63
Probably means the talks are going well and Pakistan knows it won't need to use them
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FrostyPiano49571 day ago
+5
It happened before the talks even started
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Ashryfinancial1 day ago
+102
Sending help after the war is almost over. Woah!
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Affectionate_Bee64341 day ago
+36
Who knows what will happen after the negotiations. The war is not over yet
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rapzeh1 day ago
+16
The war is almost over?!
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PraetorGold1 day ago
+8
The plot thins.
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SnooRegrets64281 day ago
+18
A deterrent but useless in action
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woolcoat1 day ago
+4
Why, they can help shoot down cruise missiles and drones at a minimum, on a defensive basis
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UrOpinionIsBadBuddy1 day ago
+1
Fighter jets are useless now? No offence but is Listnook just filled with f****** idiots?
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Diligent-Let76151 day ago
+6
Could be to guarantee a ceasefire with Iran. This war has taught the gcc countries that the US is not the protector of the gulf and they need to seek outside help to guarantee their own protection.
With Pakistani aircraft in Saudi it would deter Iran from attacking Saudi and hold the Iran to its ceasefire agreement.
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OnceIWasKovic1 day ago
+15
Saudi's have nearly 400 fighter jets but seems like there's only a handful of good pilots lmao
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npc_housecat1 day ago
+2
They might be lacking signalling intelligence / radar to properly track incoming missiles in time
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CommunicationLife7531 day ago
+2
A country which wants its future economy to be based on tourism shouldn't really let itself be part of a "WAR" which isn't started by them
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OnceIWasKovic1 day ago
+2
Do you think Pakistani jets ... Are going to strike Iran ... From Saudi bases? They're intended to defend KSA, which appears it can't seem to do by itself given the quality of their military despite having the seventh largest budget in the world. The RSAF is larger than the RAF.
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turb0_encapsulator1 day ago
+10
Trump has inadvertently turned Pakistan into a major world power.
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Mediocre-Till-39241 day ago
+9
And the credit goes to Modi too.
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Gold_Object_22981 day ago
+1
A country that has to beg IMF for funds is no major world power.
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expat901 day ago
+19
Iran has been shooting missiles and drones for over a month at Saudi.
Pakistan and Saudi have a mutual defence agreement. Pakistan has done nothing but issue strongly worded statements. The agreement isn’t worth the paper it’s written on. This is a lame attempt by Pakistan to salvage their reputation. Sending planes more than a month later during a ceasefire is purely performative.
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theytriedtoeatbushsr1 day ago
+21
They never requested Pakistan to join.
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expat901 day ago
+3
Lol yeah I’m sure Saudi was like we love these missiles hitting our critical infrastructure and killing our citizens please don’t help.
This situation is literally why they made the defense agreement. Please peddle your nonsense elsewhere we aren’t all so stupid.
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theytriedtoeatbushsr1 day ago
+14
Why didn't Saudi Arabia ask for Pakistani involvement? The pact was most likely targeted at rabid Israel as it came in the aftermath of the attack on Qatar.
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expat901 day ago
+3
Stop trumpeting government propaganda. Think for yourself. Pakistan cannot enter a war with its neighbour while it is at war with another neighbour and while it is going through an economic crisis. That is the reason.
The agreement was supposed to be a deterrent. It didn’t work. End of story. Pretending otherwise is just silly
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theytriedtoeatbushsr1 day ago
+9
It seems like you are under the impression that I consume Pakistani media. It seems logical that Pakistan won't enter a conflict where they are not called. Imagine sending a navy, armed forces and the Air Force to a country when they never asked for it.
Think for yourself.
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expat901 day ago
+5
I think we both said our points so agree to disagree. If it means anything the odds of Saudi Arabia intervening to defend Pakistan is also zero. As Pakistan is/was anyway under attack by the Taliban.
Useless defense pacts aside, Pakistan’s mediation efforts are commendable. I hope they succeed.
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Inevitable_Ad_498518 hr ago
+1
Because izreal was exploiting that defense pact
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gymAndmuthi1 day ago
We all have time, the future will reveal the strength and validity of the pact.
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Dr-Billa1 day ago
+1
Also, Saudi didn't want to be direct target of Iran by doing that. They were more focused on US. There's no need to get yourself in between.
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External-Savings10671 day ago
-1
By this logic the KSA should have stepped in during the India and Afghanistan wars
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Turbulent_Trifle_3861 day ago
+4
Crazy to think that Pakistan is the strongest muslim country out there when it comes to defense
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Equivalent-Eye-27821 day ago
+14
Now its Turkey
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king_of_river1 day ago
+15
Turkey has a better navy and drones but Pakistan has a superior air force, missile program, larger number of army personnel and their own nuclear weapons. Pakistan has more manpower and a younger population to draw from but Turkey has a much better economy.
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Equivalent-Eye-27821 day ago
+3
that's not me saying that, global firepower index says this with compiling all the data and numbers
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Beneficial-Rub-80491 day ago
+1
They literally put Russia above China like what. No trust in that Global firepower thingy.
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Equivalent-Eye-278223 hr ago
+1
Its still better than statements of random people.
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Turbulent_Trifle_3861 day ago
+5
Pak has nukes and Chinese defence equipment , that puts it much ahead of Turkey
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NateBerukAnjing1 day ago
+1
turkey is barely muslim
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Pixi_Dust_4081 day ago
+2
Maybe it’s just to be cautious? Pakistan doesn’t want the war to continue, maybe they’re confident that it will de-escalate?
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mbashs1 day ago
+3
Pakistan has friendly ties with Iran. Hence the negotiations taking place in Pakistan. Saudi Arabia didn’t want to escalate and conversations had been going on with Pakistan to use diplomacy to counter it. The fighters now coming in means things just got escalated and the war might get worse.
Obviously Listnookors in their armchairs who don’t follow regional politics and news know better lol
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Neither_Economist_161 day ago
+1
What if there is another wave, and all the higher people know about it and just preparing?
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apex_malik1 day ago
+1
Careful of the Kuwaiti's, just saying...
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theguyfromgermany1 day ago
+1
Money won't buy you soldiers only equipment.
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Remarkable-Canine1 day ago
+1
Allegiance ruled by expedience. One needs loan and/or free money to survive, It works for both,
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Additional_Oil75021 day ago
+1
All the backseat army generals in the comments 🤣🤣
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tripping_yarns2 days ago
-10
So, are they there to help defend SA from Iran or to defend against the inevitable attack from Israel?
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Pure-Toxicity1 day ago
+25
It really doesn't make sense for the Israelis to attack Saudi Arabia and make more enemies then it already has.
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tripping_yarns1 day ago
-2
I wasn’t really serious. After Lebanon it will probably be Syria anyway.
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thr12761 day ago
-3
right now but you never know in 20 years who would be the next existential threat or the next piece of land they need as a buffer
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dave_gormen_31 day ago
Maybe it allows them to tell USA to close down the American military bases, wouldnt that be nice?
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+2
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FictionFlexer2771 day ago
-1
Yeah because USA hasn’t even been able handle f**king Iran’s military.
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Pure-Toxicity1 day ago
+8
And guess who has agreed to help Pakistan economically?? Saudis have more support in Pakistan then the Iranians do.
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TT_player21 day ago
+4
Saudis will provide the financing. Pakistan provides the manpower and intelligence. Pakistan might even get richer.
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kr_blue1 day ago
+2
Pakistan won't be concerned. They are untouchable. It goes both ways. Any country attacking Pakistan is suicide
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Leviathn_Doom1 day ago
-7
A defeated force trying to defend someone else. Yeah that'll work!
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Electricity45213231 day ago
+2
PL-15
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Dr-Billa1 day ago
+4
Bro are you still licking your wounds? Get over it lmao
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Mean-Calendar-77901 day ago
lol they sent it after a ceasefire
looks like theyre trying to appear as "brothers" now that there is no immediate danger
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IonDaPrizee1 day ago
-5
Everything about this is absolutely disgusting.
If Pakistan is sending fighter jets at the direction of American officials, it won’t be for free.
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0neM0reLight1 day ago
-1
You mean china. China owns them these days.
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Lillienpud1 day ago
Hokay, Pakistani AF over the KSA, UK. RAF over th’ Emirates… hey, South Africa, got any spare fighter jets? Indonesia? Uh… does Algeria have a viable Aair force these days?
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