Shouldn't the elected government of Palestinians have some say or influence in this? The ones which collect taxes from the locals and are tasked with protecting Palestinians?
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scrambledhelix1 day ago
+89
You mean the same government that built more miles of tunnel under Gaza than the London Underground has and refused to shelter civilians in during the war?
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Drak_is_Right22 hr ago
+17
Diversion of supplies to rebuild is one of the major issues Gaza is facing. Some due to corruption, some due to tunnel construction. Things like pipes to restore water will also see mass reallocation to build rockets.
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Rock_mage1 day ago
+4
You will need to have Hamas, Isreal, and another country work together to get concrete through to re-build them (other materials as well let's just say concrete for now). Politicans right now are rewarded for going the opposite direction.
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HatCat55661 day ago
+50
1: Helping Gaza will continue to be an issue as long as Hamas refuses to surrender. They started this war and won't end it. Not only is the government of Gaza not interested in helping rebuild, or use the billions they stole to rebuild, they are actively making it too dangerous for other aid groups to help.
2: The money just isn't there. Western nations are very sad about Gaza, but the billions and billions have to come from somewhere. The world is full of desperate situations and Gaza is just one. I'd love to see their fellow Islamists or the 48 Muslim nations to chip in here. Maybe Iran and Qatar could fund it since they funded hamas's attacks on Israel that started this war.
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Adept-Read-75291 day ago
+12
Trumps “Board of Peace” has got 17 billion in pledges, including 1.2 billion that he had the state department stroke a check for. Of course he has final say about the distribution of those funds with zero oversight. So you’re right, the money most likely just isn’t there.
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Icy-Ask39431 day ago
+10
Hamas needs to step up, stop spending on palatial homes in Qatar and booze and channel its funds once for building out its people's land. You know, the one THEY are willing to sacrifice Palestinians for.
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NegevThunderstorm1 day ago
+10
They get plenty of money to fund their own rebuilding
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GateDeep32821 day ago
+3
Hopefully they won't turn around and use that to rebuild the tunnels. Hopefully the cycle will change.
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Aristosus23 hr ago
-16
Conservatives will unironically say that Palestinians shouldn't be helped as long as Hamas exists, then never wonder why Hamas continues to exist as Palestinians continue to suffer.
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FedBySheep21 hr ago
+10
This is nonsense. Palestinians were being helped prior to this war. That was part of the aid which people keep saying Netanyahu should not have allowed in to Gaza.
Hamas existing is entirely unrelated to whether Palestine is given any help or not. Their existence largely depends on sentiment amongst Palestinians - as to whether armed opposition to Israel is considered a viable option or not.
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Aristosus21 hr ago
-17
You're conveniently ignoring why the Palestinians "were being helped" in the first place. Why has there been such a humanitarian crisis happening in Gaza prior to Oct 7? Could that also coincidentally be why certain Palestinians became desperate enough to justify armed resistance?
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Twofer-Cat19 hr ago
+14
The blockade began in 2006. Rocket fire began in 2001. The occupation began in 1967. Armed incursions into Israel began in the 1950s. The Naqba was in 1948. The Hebron massacre was in 1929. But please, teach us more about how peaceful things used to be.
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Aristosus18 hr ago
-10
Ah yes, started with the Hebron massacre and that's how we got to the IDF shooting children today. Very good point you made.
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Twofer-Cat18 hr ago
+14
Not very well, apparently. The point is that it's historically illiterate to assume Palestinians only began murdering random Israelis because of the Gaza blockade when in fact they've been so doing for a century. I'm not editorialising about the merits of Israel's response.
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Aristosus18 hr ago
+2
I'm not arguing that Palestinian violence just started recently. Both Palestinians and Israelis have been killing innocents for decades. The difference is the power dynamic at the *present* and who is currently dictating the allocation of resources, and while the goal should be to seek a mutual solution.
As long as there are men in power like Ben Gvir and illegal settlers who go unpunished, there will always be men like Sinwar and those who support Hamas.
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Twofer-Cat18 hr ago
+10
Why are you confident Ben Gvir is an important causal factor behind Palestinian violence when it began decades before he was born? Certainly his actions are provocative, but no less certain is that provocations have never been needed before.
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Aristosus18 hr ago
+1
I dropped his name because he's someone who is currently alive and has influence, and both Israel and Palestine are worse off because of it.
Even though they have existed for decades, the world does not need a single person who believes in a one state solution, no.
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UnionBalloonCorps19 hr ago
+5
How’s that working out for them?
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Aristosus18 hr ago
+1
Some people would rather die standing up than on their knees.
How's the global support of Israel doing nowadays?
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FedBySheep10 hr ago
+2
You have just skipped past your earlier lie.
Hamas existing has nothing to do with aid being provided.
If you want to have an honest conversation, admit when you speak falsehoods. Then you can carry on and try to make your point.
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shubirabiru19 hr ago
-4
For real
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Surfer_Rick1 day ago
-25
The US/Israel plan is to kill off the remaining people before building a luxury seaside resort.
So this makes sense.
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SidewalkRacoon1 day ago
+21
Ah yes the remaining 95%. Surely.
Someone get this guy a straight jacket
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+7
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I_Never_Use_Slash_S1 day ago
-78
US really needs to step it up and get rebuilding what Israel destroyed.
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NegevThunderstorm1 day ago
+15
Why? The terrorists chose to attack Americans as well
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GarbonzoBeanSprout1 day ago
+52
Hamas leaders are billionaires.... they can figure it out.
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toeknn1 day ago
+48
It really dosnt.
But if it must then it must have a willing peaceminded partner. Hamas is no such partner.
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ACompletelyLostCause1 day ago
+10
Honest question. Why MUST US taxpayers specifically pay to rebuild what Israel destroyed?
I'm not saying Gaza shouldn't be helped, but why is the US uniquely responsible? Israel isn't a proxy of the US, and in many ways it's the reverse.
No one, even in the Middle East, ever says Israel should pay to rebuild, it's automatically the USA and often Europe.
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Wild-Yogurtcloset9211 day ago
-30
The USA supplied the weapons and political
Cover for Israel’s actions
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ACompletelyLostCause1 day ago
+6
I accept that the US supplied many of the weapons Isreal used, but I'm not sure the US supplied political cover specifically in the case of Gaza, more than any other country, including many of the countries in the Middle East.
China & North Korea supplies many of the wespons Russia uses on Ukraine, and political cover in the case of China, but no one is demanding China compensates Ukraine.
I'm not defending the US or denying a degree of culpablity, but it's almost as if Israel gets an automatic pass and the US is expected to automatically pick up the tab.
I've had similar conversations with people blaming Europe for israel's actions and holding them equally guilty for not stopping Israel, even though they can't explain how Europe could stop Israel, but don't equally blame other countries in the Middle East for not stopping Isreal.
Again, why do people not say Israel should pay, but instead assume the US is more responsible for Isreals actions than Isreal itself?
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GlassBit708119 hr ago
+4
Or....and this is CRAZY.....maybe Palestinians should take responsibility for themselves and stop attacking Israel.
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GlassBit70811 day ago
-6
Can you explain why? Hamas was funded previously by Qatar and Israel. They chose to launch a war against Israel and refuse to surrender. Are you saying Israel has to keep funding wars against itself?
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SidewalkRacoon1 day ago
+20
Israel didn’t fund Hamas. They allowed payments to be transferred to them.
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