For the "WHY DIDN'T THEY SHOOT IT DOWN" horde, here's a lesson in reading "intercept" headlines:
* If the headline doesn't explicitly mention a violation of national/sovereign airspace, it almost certainly happened in international airspace and they omitted that fact from the headline because then you wouldn't click it.
* If the headline mentions an Air Defense Identification Zone or similar, it happened in international airspace. The ADIZ typically spans well past the actual sovereign airspace, in the case of Taiwan it spans *over mainland China* (although "violations" are usually only reported once the planes cross the median line, which is still international airspace).
* If the headline claims a violation of airspace, it's worth a closer look, but there's still a good chance the journalist confused national airspace with an ADIZ or similar, either due to incompetence or to get you to click.
From the article, emphasis on the parts that give you hints or outright tell you what happened:
> ... during a patrol **over the Baltic Sea** on April 9, ...
> The aircraft was flying **in international airspace** without a filed flight plan and with its transponder turned off
--> They were being dicks and provoking, but within their rights and there was no justification to shoot it down. Western countries do the same, with planes *and* ships, sometimes just to assert that international laws still apply and ships/planes are allowed to go where they are going.
Actual airspace violations do happen but they are quite rare. Stuff like this, on the other hand, is extremely common.
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michal_hanu_la21 hr ago
+42
Thank you for being the voice of basic sanity.
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justlurkshere3 hr ago
+1
Sir, this is a Wendy's (and/or Listnook).
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weregunnalose12 hr ago
+11
While I respect your sane take, I am rather insane, and I say shoot it down anyway
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softlittlepaws12 hr ago
+4
Insane in the membrane!
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ManagerOfLove20 hr ago
+10
At least one sane person
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AristodemusMessalla5 hr ago
+2
Thank you for the explanation.
I hate that, with titles and articles today, I have to have that paranoid approach to see if they were super cunning in using words and were tricking me into misunderstanding what was going on.
I'm here to inform myself and you're there to inform people. Why are you subtly lying to me so we have a layer of distrust between us now?
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AschAschAsch19 hr ago
+5
You might want to read what else Turkey did after that.
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_BlueFire_19 hr ago
-1
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Ghe1st22 hr ago
+367
Just shoot it down
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vincedarling5 hr ago
+3
Agree. And Warsaw would be in the right.
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[deleted]21 hr ago
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Conscious-Map695721 hr ago
+247
Get a load of this guy
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East-Ad-766520 hr ago
+104
Poland has arguably the strongest army in Europe besides Ukraine
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RaverSMS20 hr ago
+65
Hes obviously ragebaiting or braindead, I wouldnt engage
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Consistent_Cap_692019 hr ago
-162
Strongest army in europe means as much as the best public healthcare program in the US.
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Dr_W00t_14 hr ago
+14
That's a pretty bad example at the moment looking at the current "strategic success" of the American army. I am not sure being the number one army in the world is so relevant when the orders are coming from a bunch of ignorant idiots.
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ivo20009421 hr ago
+159
Poland can 1v1 moscovia before their soldiers even sober up
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AschAschAsch20 hr ago
-180
And they aren't doing it out of kindness, I presume?
Edit: your comment has the same "we haven't started yet" energy that vatniks use.
Edit2: lmao, listnookors of worldnews are pathetic - upvoting baseless "my country can solve half of the current world issues but we are not doing it", but angrily downvoting anyone who doubts it. More downvotes, please. I've heard Poland will finally do the stuff above only after this comment is below -100.
Edit3: come on, guys! Only a few downvotes until Poland saves the world.
Edit4: yay! We did it. Though I doubt strong Poland will do anything except for some of its online warriors dreaming of 3-hour conquest of Moscow.
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PhysicsKey909219 hr ago
+76
Well we wouldn't start a war you goof. But to say Poland's developed military with NATO tech and resources couldn't beat Russia is ridiculous
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AschAschAsch19 hr ago
-96
I'm not saying they can't. I'm asking why they don't do it and make the world a much better place if it's so easy according to the person above?
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Cupdzilla19 hr ago
+49
Why would we waste lives of our citizens unless absolutely necessary? Are you insane?
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AschAschAsch18 hr ago
-64
Then perhaps there's no need to boast that you can easily do it?
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Cupdzilla18 hr ago
+29
Why not ? It is true.
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AschAschAsch17 hr ago
-1
Russia said the same about Ukraine.
US said the same about Iran.
I'll believe it when I see it. Otherwise it's winning imaginary wars online.
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drkTwrCnt20 hr ago
+60
what a good, russian friendly dog you are.
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MagicBoyUK19 hr ago
+30
You know Poland joined NATO in 1999?
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Consistent_Cap_692019 hr ago
-73
Uhhh and? So did Estonia, a well known military powerhouse, right guys?
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MagicBoyUK18 hr ago
+14
Estonia with 1/30th the population of Poland. That Estonia?
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batmansthebomb18 hr ago
+19
It's a well known fact that there are only two countries in NATO, Poland and Estonia. That's it.
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Consistent_Cap_692016 hr ago
-19
There isn't two countries in NATO, there is just one. The USA. Everyone else is irrelevant.
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Imperialbucket15 hr ago
+10
That's why the US has "won the war" in Iran like a dozen times in the last month, right?
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darthdodd18 hr ago
+10
Fuckin moron
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RayTracerX17 hr ago
+16
The sheer ignorance is crazy. Poland is probably the most battle ready army in the world, they have been prepping for a possible invasion with Russia for decades. They lead ton of NATO exercises. They could very probably take on Russia by themselves.
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PhoenixProtocol15 hr ago
+4
Both Poland and Finland are all you need for northern-central European protection.
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Consistent_Cap_692016 hr ago
-16
hahahahaha
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RayTracerX15 hr ago
+6
They are literally much better than Ukraine in every military metric. Both pre war and now. And Ukraine has held on for 4 years. Whats so funny?
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Consistent_Cap_692014 hr ago
-5
Losing half of your population and most of your 16-40 men isn't ''holding on''. It's a catastrophe.
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No-Brain941315 hr ago
+2
You definitely laughed when told Ukraine could take on Russia - I’m correct there, yeah?
How about this.. since it’s clear that you’re very likely a coward, you don’t have to respond. You can just go away.
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Bomber_Max19 hr ago
+14
Consistently capping, I see.
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teh_herper15 hr ago
+4
"They have no nukes, so they should just give up" hmmmmmmmmm where have I heard this before...
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lerpo16 hr ago
Pahahah. What are you talking about 😂
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totallyRebb20 hr ago
+27
Most of the current bullshit in the world ( even Trump ) can be traced to Russian actions.
Imagine a world without a country that constantly has to mess with everyone and everything because thats the only thing that makes them feel good about themselves.
( in b4 "Herpaderp but the US" )
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Electric4ce19 hr ago
-3
The thing with Russia is that the people are great but for a long time in history, bad people have had the power, and they don't give it up.
The people would need to rise up against the regime, but they are too scared.
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eadgar15 hr ago
+7
At some point the leaders reflect the population.
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TheShipEliza11 hr ago
+2
After the Hungary flip we may see these kinda planes not come back
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LupoWolf214 hr ago
+3
Shoot first, ask questions later.
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General-Researcher-219 hr ago
-2
A Russian aircraft was flying from Saint Petersburg to Kaliningrad over international waters. Shocking, I can’t believe it, how dare those Russians. But seriously, why is the most upvoted comment ‘shoot it down’? If you want to start a war, why not strike military bases? Why shoot down an unarmed aircraft over neutral waters and then wait for a military response?
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FederalGovernmentUS18 hr ago
+1
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not_just_putin22 hr ago
-13
Still no balls to shoot it down which is only going to encourage russians to escalate.
The only thing russians understand is force.
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michal_hanu_la21 hr ago
+17
International airspace. Rude, but not a reason to shoot them down.
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F705TY20 hr ago
+3
That's just not true.
Russia is losing in Ukraine at the moment.
When momentum is on your side, it's best to chill.
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wubbawubba21 hr ago
-1
It seems like it might not be a very good spy plane.
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Weird-Hovercraft-68922 hr ago
-53
So recon planes flying in international airspace is a crime now
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nekonight22 hr ago
+18
Reminder that russia tried ramming one unmanned US recon drone down and tried firing on a British manned recon plane in the black sea.
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SPQR-Tightanus22 hr ago
+17
Why does it suddenly matter whether they are Black Sea countries or not if this was international airspace?
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michal_hanu_la22 hr ago
+5
Note that they called it "provocative", which it is, but not a crime, which it probably is not.
(edit: typo)
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Weird-Hovercraft-68921 hr ago
-8
How is it even provacative, Russians have kaliningrad there, a very important enclave with naval installations. Why wouldn't they run recon flights around it. You guys are not the heroes you think you are lol
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michal_hanu_la21 hr ago
+7
I don't think I am a hero. Not sure about the other guys.
Generally, flying a military plane near (outside, yes) airspace of countries you consider your enemies (and publicly say so) without ADS-B could be considered somewhat rude.
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Weird-Hovercraft-68921 hr ago
-8
Its clearly mentioned it was international airspace, you don't own everything. Go watch the vid of CNN journos onboard us recon plane flying near chinese coast and they get radioed by Chinese jets to fk off. Nauseating hypocrisy
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michal_hanu_la17 hr ago
+3
And you will notice me saying in an other comment that it is not a crime and also that it was international airspace.
Can you please explain the position you are arguing?
Are you arguing that someone says it was a crime (they didn't) and it isn't (it isn't indeed)? Are you arguing that sending jets to meet them is wrong (it is not)? What are you arguing, exactly?
> you don't own everything
What do you mean, _you_? I do not work for the Polish Air Force (though I have flown in Poland a bit in Poland a bit).
Edit: About those CNN video, which airspace were they in? Did they have their transponder on? These details matter.
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