Orban is still in power until May and Magyar would still needs to a sign and he wants Ukraine to fix Dryuzhba pipeline first. Not sure how Poland comes in here.
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Lenxor2 days ago
+25
I don't know where did you got that, he's gonna sign it.
He only said that if previous agreements made in December are still up (that Hungary with Slovakia and Czech Republic don't take part in the loan), then he doesn't block it and signs it.
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prazulsaltaret3 days ago
-99
> he wants ukraine to
Here we go, people did say he was Orban jr
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PrrrromotionGiven13 days ago
+48
You cannot expect the dude to prioritise Ukraine and the EU over Hungary in every single case lmao.
In fact very few European leaders have ever prioritised Ukraine or the EU above themselves throughout this war. It's just that there is a large overlap between the self-interest of these countries, and what is good for Ukraine and the EU, since Ukraine is taking all the heat of Russian militarism and the EU is even more vital as a trading bloc now that business is leaving Russia and America is increasingly anti-Europe.
What Orban was doing was much more extreme - prioritising Russian interests over everything, because it let him and his allies get rich personally.
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prazulsaltaret3 days ago
-23
> You cannot expect the dude to prioritise Ukraine and the EU over Hungary in every single case lmao.
Dryuzhba was destroyed by Russia why would Ukraine have to fix it?
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PrrrromotionGiven13 days ago
+18
Someone needs to fix it, and it won't be Russia
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MeThinksYes3 days ago
-3
just like Mexico paying for the wall
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Aseitic3 days ago
+18
He is a right-wing nationalist that used to be in cahoots with Orban but I don't think that particular request is unreasonable.
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Luuk3413 days ago
+4
I don't either. Depending on how feasible the request is.
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terrortara2 days ago
Yeah. But hopefully this shift in the Overton Window can be the start of some actual left-wing politics.
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prazulsaltaret3 days ago
-7
> but I don't think that particular request is unreasonable.
Of course it is, Russia destroyed Dryuzhba why would Ukraine fix it
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Growlithez3 days ago
+81
Its important to remember this loan is not given just to be nice to Ukraine but also out of our own self-interest. Sharing a 90b loan among 30 countries is alot cheaper than having Russia invade you next.
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Abedeus3 days ago
+23
Also Ukraine supplies a lot of grain to Europe, which might be one of the reasons (the logical ones, at least) why Putin wanted to invade it.
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RandomPantsAppear3 days ago
+6
Tbh the area that Putin invaded/wants (Donbas) isn’t so much agriculture as the big money ticket - it has mining, steel, chemical production.
Also the fields of Ukraine won’t be producing for quite a long time. It is hard to till fields full of landmines.
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Abedeus3 days ago
+12
Putin absolutely wanted ENTIRE Ukraine for himself. He just assumed he'd roll over to Kyiv in a week or less, fire some artillery shells and Ukrainians would capitulate.
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RandomPantsAppear3 days ago
+1
Yes initially that is true. But the priority has always been crimea and Donbas. It’s been very much broadcast as the priority - those were the ones they bothered to put into the Russian constitution.
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karyslav3 days ago
+74
Well Fico is still there unfortunately
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EnvironmentalTap13683 days ago
+68
Fico says he is pro-russian only to his voter base, but in truth he always sign what EU demands of him.
Afterall he is a true populist cleptocrat
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karyslav3 days ago
+27
He was blocking EU support for ukraine too
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dannysleepwalker3 days ago
+48
"too" yes, he was when he wasn't the only one. I think (and hope) he won't dare to be the sole black sheep like Orban was.
As the other commenter said, he's a populist kleptocrat. He likes the EU money too much. I believe he will talk anti Ukraine shit but ultimately, he won't obstruct nearly as much as when he could hide behind another country's obstructions.
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karyslav3 days ago
+7
he also aging, and orange head showed us that aging can be fun for the rest of the world.. Fingers crossed anyway, I hope that finds EU money more tempting than their dissappearence
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Dense-Friend64913 days ago
+6
Fico is 61... I wouldn't d******* someone at that age as losing his marbles.
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karyslav3 days ago
+2
Babiš is 71 :D we are screwed!
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RandomPantsAppear3 days ago
+2
As I understand it there is important subtext here.
Basically neither Hungary or Slovakia would risk being booted from the EU (even for obvious Russian shilling) because the other would be able to block the ejection.
With Orban gone, Fico no longer has that protection and is expected to fall into line more often.
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RandomPantsAppear2 days ago
+1
You’re technically correct. I overstated. I was referring to article 7. You lose influence, voting rights, become isolated but you are still a member of the EU.
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Kartonrealista2 days ago
Where are you getting those news? Polish PM Donald Tusk might have been the happiest man on Earth the minute it became apparent Orbán would lose.
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asddde3 days ago
+1
Why exactly is it so though, wouldn't he also need a reason to not go through with such c***? I think I saw mentions that his government is unstable or something.
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Zealousideal_War78433 days ago
+24
True but you can't block everything by yourself. If you do you can get your vote revoked under article 7 if I remember correctly. Because Fico and Orban both were allies then the revoking of the vote was not an option. Now without Orban it's possible.
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karyslav3 days ago
+7
I am little bit afraid what Babiš thinks now
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Raspry2 days ago
+1
Slovakia has agreed to let the loan go through, but will block the sanctions package that was being proposed.
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adamtheskill3 days ago
+25
You know what's crazy with this in hindsight? Orban was essentially blocking thr EU from spending €90bn stimulating the american military complex and yet the Trump administration and Orban were 'on the same side'.
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noir_lord3 days ago
+19
Not so much 90bn to the US, a lot of the money now has requirements to consider European equipment first.
Germany, France and the UK (and others) have been expanding their military production to support Ukraine (and frankly their own needs) since 2014 which accelerated in 2022 stuff like this https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cm2kk8242jpo and big increases in AA missile/system production.
Finland has also requested an audit of the money from Europe that *did* go to the US to make sure it's been delivered - I doubt the Finns would have done that unless they had some pretty strong suspicions of fuckery going on (or about to go on - cynically I think it might be an attempt to forestall such fuckery) and with the current US Gov would you rule it out? I wouldn't.
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WorstCPANA3 days ago
+15
Poland is unironically the best European country. If the countries to the west of them had similar attitudes to Russia, we probably wouldn't have gotten to this point. I can truly see Poland leading the next wave of resistance to Russian imperialism, because the old guard has clearly fell.
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RandomPantsAppear3 days ago
+4
This is especially fascinating considering that not that long ago, Poland was more similar to Hungary than not. Much closer to Russia, EU skeptic, etc.
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kahaveli3 days ago
+8
Yes, at the moment, Poland has KO led government. But previously, they had PiS led government, and on many aspects PiS is/was similar and close to Orban's Fidesz. PiS is not really pro-Russia like Orban, but on other aspects they are similar. Also regarding EU, Poland and Hungary protected and acted identically when the countries were led by PiS and Orban. There is high likelihood that Poland is going to be fully led by PiS government again in the future.
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WorstCPANA3 days ago
+2
It's crazy how quickly global politics can change, and how little it can change in some ways.
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Wingedball2 days ago
+1
Check how the previous government supported Ukraine at the start of the war. 300 tanks from the get go while Germany pondered over 5000 helmets.
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motorambler2 days ago
+1
Ursula wonder Liar is in for a surprise if she thinks Orban's replacement is gonna tongue her bunghole.
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OwnFollowing56532 days ago
+1
Well wildlands and Breakpoint are great games but Wildland differ witht he Ghodt game where you get slaughtered reaching tier 25 good luck
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Guaymaster3 days ago
+1
Question on the title and semantics alone: Was Orbán actually "ousted"? Like, he lost the election and the normal democratic transition of power happened, it's not like he was impeached and removed or toppled by force, he was just not reelected.
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Historical_Body62552 days ago
+4
I think the choice of the word is kinda fitting because he spent the last 16 years rebuilding the whole state to make sure he would never lose an election and come as close to being a dictator as possible.
The fact he lost a democratic election kinda ousted him as a dictator.
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Guaymaster2 days ago
+1
I guess that makes sense, yeah.
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i-read-it-again3 days ago
-3
What will lord Jesus trump say about this ?
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no_choice992 days ago
+1
Nobody cares about him. He has less influence than Putler.
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itdev83 days ago
-16
It's not like EU is eager to do that
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Raspry2 days ago
+2
So the EU isn't eager to release the loan that the EU proposed? Are you perhaps a bit slow?
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Altruistic_Finger6693 days ago
-8
They should be released when the democratic reforms are enforced. That was the reasons they were put in pæace in the first place
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Fantastic-Corner-6053 days ago
-33
Looks like Trump wasn't the only one conducting regime change. Maybe he could take a few notes.
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DexJedi3 days ago
+5
You are implying?
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Prestigious_Long7773 days ago
-85
No.
No more money for killing.
End the war.
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bloodbag3 days ago
+21
How?
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brainfreeze33 days ago
+16
only Putin can end the war you brainlet
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Fyfaenerremulig3 days ago
+28
Then the Russians can either leave freely, or be on the business end of what this money will be used for.
They are free to leave at any point.
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UnoriginalStanger3 days ago
+9
Russia isn't interested in a ceasfire because they believe they get more from continuted fighting.
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LaserKittenz3 days ago
+10
Get fucked
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TheSJDRising3 days ago
+14
Jesus Christ. That's your take? Stop supporting the invaded country and the war goes away?
How about we increase the money. More weapons. More money. More training. Give them everything they both want and need to drive the parasites from their homeland once and for all.
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Raspry2 days ago
+1
Perhaps you should report to your nearest Russian embassy and volunteer, you can help end it.
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