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SilentBumblebee3225 Apr 16, 2026 +270

Orban is still in power until May and Magyar would still needs to a sign and he wants Ukraine to fix Dryuzhba pipeline first. Not sure how Poland comes in here.

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Lenxor Apr 16, 2026 +25

I don't know where did you got that, he's gonna sign it. He only said that if previous agreements made in December are still up (that Hungary with Slovakia and Czech Republic don't take part in the loan), then he doesn't block it and signs it.

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prazulsaltaret Apr 16, 2026 -99

> he wants ukraine to Here we go, people did say he was Orban jr

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PrrrromotionGiven1 Apr 16, 2026 +48

You cannot expect the dude to prioritise Ukraine and the EU over Hungary in every single case lmao. In fact very few European leaders have ever prioritised Ukraine or the EU above themselves throughout this war. It's just that there is a large overlap between the self-interest of these countries, and what is good for Ukraine and the EU, since Ukraine is taking all the heat of Russian militarism and the EU is even more vital as a trading bloc now that business is leaving Russia and America is increasingly anti-Europe. What Orban was doing was much more extreme - prioritising Russian interests over everything, because it let him and his allies get rich personally.

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prazulsaltaret Apr 16, 2026 -23

> You cannot expect the dude to prioritise Ukraine and the EU over Hungary in every single case lmao. Dryuzhba was destroyed by Russia why would Ukraine have to fix it?

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PrrrromotionGiven1 Apr 16, 2026 +18

Someone needs to fix it, and it won't be Russia

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MeThinksYes Apr 16, 2026 -3

just like Mexico paying for the wall

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Aseitic Apr 16, 2026 +18

He is a right-wing nationalist that used to be in cahoots with Orban but I don't think that particular request is unreasonable.

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Luuk341 Apr 16, 2026 +4

I don't either. Depending on how feasible the request is.

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terrortara Apr 16, 2026

Yeah. But hopefully this shift in the Overton Window can be the start of some actual left-wing politics.

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prazulsaltaret Apr 16, 2026 -7

> but I don't think that particular request is unreasonable. Of course it is, Russia destroyed Dryuzhba why would Ukraine fix it

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Growlithez Apr 16, 2026 +81

Its important to remember this loan is not given just to be nice to Ukraine but also out of our own self-interest. Sharing a 90b loan among 30 countries is alot cheaper than having Russia invade you next.

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Abedeus Apr 16, 2026 +23

Also Ukraine supplies a lot of grain to Europe, which might be one of the reasons (the logical ones, at least) why Putin wanted to invade it.

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RandomPantsAppear Apr 16, 2026 +6

Tbh the area that Putin invaded/wants (Donbas) isn’t so much agriculture as the big money ticket - it has mining, steel, chemical production. Also the fields of Ukraine won’t be producing for quite a long time. It is hard to till fields full of landmines.

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Abedeus Apr 16, 2026 +12

Putin absolutely wanted ENTIRE Ukraine for himself. He just assumed he'd roll over to Kyiv in a week or less, fire some artillery shells and Ukrainians would capitulate.

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RandomPantsAppear Apr 16, 2026 +1

Yes initially that is true. But the priority has always been crimea and Donbas. It’s been very much broadcast as the priority - those were the ones they bothered to put into the Russian constitution.

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karyslav Apr 16, 2026 +74

Well Fico is still there unfortunately

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EnvironmentalTap1368 Apr 16, 2026 +68

Fico says he is pro-russian only to his voter base, but in truth he always sign what EU demands of him. Afterall he is a true populist cleptocrat

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karyslav Apr 16, 2026 +27

He was blocking EU support for ukraine too

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dannysleepwalker Apr 16, 2026 +48

"too" yes, he was when he wasn't the only one. I think (and hope) he won't dare to be the sole black sheep like Orban was. As the other commenter said, he's a populist kleptocrat. He likes the EU money too much. I believe he will talk anti Ukraine shit but ultimately, he won't obstruct nearly as much as when he could hide behind another country's obstructions.

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karyslav Apr 16, 2026 +7

he also aging, and orange head showed us that aging can be fun for the rest of the world.. Fingers crossed anyway, I hope that finds EU money more tempting than their dissappearence

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Dense-Friend6491 Apr 16, 2026 +6

Fico is 61... I wouldn't d******* someone at that age as losing his marbles.

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karyslav Apr 16, 2026 +2

Babiš is 71 :D we are screwed!

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RandomPantsAppear Apr 16, 2026 +2

As I understand it there is important subtext here. Basically neither Hungary or Slovakia would risk being booted from the EU (even for obvious Russian shilling) because the other would be able to block the ejection. With Orban gone, Fico no longer has that protection and is expected to fall into line more often.

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RandomPantsAppear Apr 17, 2026 +1

You’re technically correct. I overstated. I was referring to article 7. You lose influence, voting rights, become isolated but you are still a member of the EU.

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Kartonrealista Apr 17, 2026

Where are you getting those news? Polish PM Donald Tusk might have been the happiest man on Earth the minute it became apparent Orbán would lose.

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asddde Apr 16, 2026 +1

Why exactly is it so though, wouldn't he also need a reason to not go through with such c***? I think I saw mentions that his government is unstable or something.

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Zealousideal_War7843 Apr 16, 2026 +24

True but you can't block everything by yourself. If you do you can get your vote revoked under article 7 if I remember correctly. Because Fico and Orban both were allies then the revoking of the vote was not an option. Now without Orban it's possible.

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karyslav Apr 16, 2026 +7

I am little bit afraid what Babiš thinks now

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Raspry Apr 16, 2026 +1

Slovakia has agreed to let the loan go through, but will block the sanctions package that was being proposed.

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adamtheskill Apr 16, 2026 +25

You know what's crazy with this in hindsight? Orban was essentially blocking thr EU from spending €90bn stimulating the american military complex and yet the Trump administration and Orban were 'on the same side'.

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noir_lord Apr 16, 2026 +19

Not so much 90bn to the US, a lot of the money now has requirements to consider European equipment first. Germany, France and the UK (and others) have been expanding their military production to support Ukraine (and frankly their own needs) since 2014 which accelerated in 2022 stuff like this https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cm2kk8242jpo and big increases in AA missile/system production. Finland has also requested an audit of the money from Europe that *did* go to the US to make sure it's been delivered - I doubt the Finns would have done that unless they had some pretty strong suspicions of fuckery going on (or about to go on - cynically I think it might be an attempt to forestall such fuckery) and with the current US Gov would you rule it out? I wouldn't.

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WorstCPANA Apr 16, 2026 +15

Poland is unironically the best European country. If the countries to the west of them had similar attitudes to Russia, we probably wouldn't have gotten to this point. I can truly see Poland leading the next wave of resistance to Russian imperialism, because the old guard has clearly fell.

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RandomPantsAppear Apr 16, 2026 +4

This is especially fascinating considering that not that long ago, Poland was more similar to Hungary than not. Much closer to Russia, EU skeptic, etc.

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kahaveli Apr 16, 2026 +8

Yes, at the moment, Poland has KO led government. But previously, they had PiS led government, and on many aspects PiS is/was similar and close to Orban's Fidesz. PiS is not really pro-Russia like Orban, but on other aspects they are similar. Also regarding EU, Poland and Hungary protected and acted identically when the countries were led by PiS and Orban. There is high likelihood that Poland is going to be fully led by PiS government again in the future.

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WorstCPANA Apr 16, 2026 +2

It's crazy how quickly global politics can change, and how little it can change in some ways.

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Wingedball Apr 16, 2026 +1

Check how the previous government supported Ukraine at the start of the war. 300 tanks from the get go while Germany pondered over 5000 helmets.

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motorambler Apr 17, 2026 +1

Ursula wonder Liar is in for a surprise if she thinks Orban's replacement is gonna tongue her bunghole.

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OwnFollowing5653 Apr 17, 2026 +1

Well wildlands and Breakpoint are great games but Wildland differ witht he Ghodt game where you get slaughtered reaching tier 25 good luck

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Guaymaster Apr 16, 2026 +1

Question on the title and semantics alone: Was Orbán actually "ousted"? Like, he lost the election and the normal democratic transition of power happened, it's not like he was impeached and removed or toppled by force, he was just not reelected.

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Historical_Body6255 Apr 16, 2026 +4

I think the choice of the word is kinda fitting because he spent the last 16 years rebuilding the whole state to make sure he would never lose an election and come as close to being a dictator as possible. The fact he lost a democratic election kinda ousted him as a dictator.

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Guaymaster Apr 16, 2026 +1

I guess that makes sense, yeah.

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i-read-it-again Apr 16, 2026 -3

What will lord Jesus trump say about this ?

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no_choice99 Apr 17, 2026 +1

Nobody cares about him. He has less influence than Putler.

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itdev8 Apr 16, 2026 -16

It's not like EU is eager to do that

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Raspry Apr 16, 2026 +2

So the EU isn't eager to release the loan that the EU proposed? Are you perhaps a bit slow?

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Altruistic_Finger669 Apr 16, 2026 -8

They should be released when the democratic reforms are enforced. That was the reasons they were put in pæace in the first place

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Fantastic-Corner-605 Apr 16, 2026 -33

Looks like Trump wasn't the only one conducting regime change. Maybe he could take a few notes.

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DexJedi Apr 16, 2026 +5

You are implying?

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Prestigious_Long777 Apr 16, 2026 -85

No. No more money for killing. End the war.

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bloodbag Apr 16, 2026 +21

How?

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brainfreeze3 Apr 16, 2026 +16

only Putin can end the war you brainlet

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Fyfaenerremulig Apr 16, 2026 +28

Then the Russians can either leave freely, or be on the business end of what this money will be used for. They are free to leave at any point.

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UnoriginalStanger Apr 16, 2026 +9

Russia isn't interested in a ceasfire because they believe they get more from continuted fighting.

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LaserKittenz Apr 16, 2026 +10

Get fucked

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TheSJDRising Apr 16, 2026 +14

Jesus Christ. That's your take? Stop supporting the invaded country and the war goes away? How about we increase the money. More weapons. More money. More training. Give them everything they both want and need to drive the parasites from their homeland once and for all.

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Raspry Apr 16, 2026 +1

Perhaps you should report to your nearest Russian embassy and volunteer, you can help end it.

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