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bitchcoin5000 19 hr ago +1004

NATO/ Europe is being attacked every day by Russia, right now

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resjudicata2 19 hr ago +361

Yeah, his name is Donald Trump.

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qtechno 12 hr ago +92

Not only Trump. Cyberattacks on German infrastructure are daily, im sure the same goes for other NATO countries

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letruf 11 hr ago +30

>Spain’s Industrial Cybersecurity Center (ZIUR) said Poland had overtaken Ukraine and Israel in the ranking of hacktivism frequency in the second quarter of 2025, with more than 450 attacks recorded. >In its first-quarter report, the center warned of a “drastic increase” in cyberattacks against state entities across Europe, with [pro-Russian](https://tvpworld.com/84466557/-pro-russian-hackers-target-italian-government-and-public-service-websites) groups named as the chief culprits. >Europe bears the brunt of hacktivist activity globally with over 2,500 successful denial-of-service attacks recorded in the second quarter of 2025. >Supporters of Ukraine are particularly susceptible to attack, with Poland topping the list, ZIUR reported. The rest of the top 10 was made up of Ukraine, the U.K, France, [Germany](https://tvpworld.com/77901031/hacker-attack-on-cdu-servers-more-serious-than-previously-thought), the Netherlands, Finland, Lithuania, Romania, and Israel. [https://tvpworld.com/88500047/poland-most-targeted-country-by-hackers-report#:\~:text=Poland%20most%20targeted%20country%20for,Lithuania%2C%20Romania%2C%20and%20Israel](https://tvpworld.com/88500047/poland-most-targeted-country-by-hackers-report#:~:text=Poland%20most%20targeted%20country%20for,Lithuania%2C%20Romania%2C%20and%20Israel)

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Ragnarawr 10 hr ago +1

Yeah, f*** Trump and his country. Putin and his country too.

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IllSalad3669 17 hr ago +24

This

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trjkdavid 19 hr ago +440

I’m so sick of russia, I can’t even tell you.

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Lefty4444 13 hr ago +70

We have for more than 500 years. - Sweden 🇸🇪

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Kekkonen-Kakkonen 9 hr ago +1

Those are rookie numbers •FInland 🇫🇮

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Lefty4444 9 hr ago +1

Haha fair enough 🤝

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U_Kitten_Me 13 hr ago +38

Even Russia is sick of Russia.

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nyanbatman 15 hr ago +79

Me too, and they have somehow infested South east Asia too and are hiding here

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Kioz 13 hr ago +35

Shockingly, nobody wants to die in a useless war

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EngineerNo2650 13 hr ago +26

They still somehow manage to draw a lot of attention to themselves, despite hiding away from the _draft_ and _being disagreeing with their government_.

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someones1 10 hr ago +1

I mean you can pick a Russian man out of a crowd 99.9% of the time by their terrible clothes, hair, and facial expression.

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DonasAskan 9 hr ago +1

You don’t need to pick them out, they usually let you know who they are by the level of “politeness”

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SoFloFella50 14 hr ago +24

And the American puppet they own.

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Paraphrasing_ 13 hr ago +16

Puppets. It's not just the orange one.

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longlostkingdoms 16 hr ago +7

No, tell me.

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b3iAAoLZOH9Y265cujFh 15 hr ago +8

Have you ever seen the Mr. Creosote scene from Python's "The Meaning of Life"?

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The_Existentialist 15 hr ago +98

On one hand it makes no sense but on the other hand they need to attack while they have a Russian POTUS in place.

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TransBrandi 11 hr ago +23

Yup. Russia attacks NATO and then Trump says "US won't help because you guys didn't help with the Strait of Hormuz!"

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hagenissen999 10 hr ago +1

Not as big of a deal as you'd think. We can annihilate anything that Russia can muster, without US help. What happens next is the big question.

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DisastrousAcshin 13 hr ago +15

I would assume attacking a NATO member could mean say bombing a company situated in a NATO country that supporters Ukraine with weapons or technology

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Wayss37 11 hr ago +8

Like when they bombed ammunition depot in the Czech Republic several years ago?

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dreamoforganon 11 hr ago +5

Yup, getting things done before the mid-terms hamstring their asset.

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MarsWalker69 13 hr ago +13

With what??!!

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Cactusfan86 18 hr ago +106

NATO should absolutely prepare for Russian trouble, but some of these warnings are ridiculous. Putin is stubborn, not stupid. I just don’t see a scenario where he attacks NATO while still struggling with Ukraine. Even if the US refused to help he would still lose badly and then open the door to Europe directly acting in Ukraine to top it all off

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Balgorius 12 hr ago +17

Honestly, i see that happening if his control over Russia started slipping. War, a big one is always somehow tool for dictators to keep power. Or as a way to deal with economy. Many people forget that by the time Germany attacked Poland it was on a edge of economic implosion. Hjalmar Sacht openly warned Hitler, that economy is gonna colapse if he does not change something, abandoning the military spending and heavy industry boost.

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Few-Advantage2538 11 hr ago +3

I wouldnt say he is not stupid, just that he is not completely irrational as some try to claim

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DecembersDragons 19 hr ago +328

So Russia can't beat Ukraine so they attack NATO too? That makes zero sense. Also NATO has nukes. Even without the USA. Q

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Historical_Owl_1635 19 hr ago +200

> That makes zero sense. Chaos is a game plan, especially when you’re struggling. Escalate and get a lot of other nations involved, we have to remember not every nation is anti-Russia and they’ll have allies too. Also it would force us to find out how solid NATO and the EU really are, and the answer isn’t necessarily a good one.

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kal14144 18 hr ago +53

They’re struggling with slow unstealthy Ukrainian drones. How the f*** are they supposed to cope with hundreds of fifth generation fighters?

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scarlettforever 11 hr ago +7

They are counting on other European countries not sending soldiers to die for the Baltics.

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LingLangLei 11 hr ago +14

What are you saying? The Ukrainian military are pioneers of this kind of drone warfare and have, as of now, the best strategies and knowledge as well as the best drones that have been proven to work in combat.

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raul_lebeau 12 hr ago +6

Because us will send thoughts and prayers

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Montaigne314 19 hr ago +70

But again, Russia is totally bogged down with Ukraine What can they reasonably do against Nato? And how would possibly not crumble under attack against their vital systems if even a few of the NATO members decided to do damage?

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faffc260 18 hr ago +28

the only option they'd have against nato is a nuclear first strike, hell even just against the EU. I doubt they could stop finland taking st petersburg within weeks and moscow has basically nothing between the front lines and it as we saw when wagner rebelled...

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Montaigne314 18 hr ago +20

You know, as to how it plays out I don't speculate because I have no clue tbh But I just don't see the incentive for Putin to do it

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Historical_Course587 16 hr ago +35

> > > But I just don't see the incentive for Putin to do it He's completely cornered. His war in Ukraine is essentially a failure, even if they are winning, because they aren't winning fast enough. Iran is getting hammered, which looks good for oil but is their best ally against the West. Oil shortages extend their expiration date, but it's still hanging out there. Orban is gone, so now Ukraine is getting a massive boost from Europe. Trump is his ally, but Trump is slipping into Orban-levels of popularity as a politician. Everywhere the trend is Putin's game board looking worse and worse. Whether he's trading influence and power for short-term considerations, his pawns and power are being marginalized across the globe. Invading NATO is not a silver bullet. It's not a crazy strategy to win a war. All it offers him is a last ditch effort to reframe the state of Russia in the minds of Russians - total war, against the totality of Russia's enemies, in which every sacrifice is demanded of the people in order for victory to be possible. All ages conscription, millions of Russians, all shipped West to do the only thing Russia can do in the face of such overwhelming evil: die so that the country may survive. Putin needs an excuse to increase the domestic pressure of his war machine. Ukraine isn't acceptable, because it was sold as an easy war that they've been winning all this time. Putin needs an enemy so dangerously powerful that it threatens the every existence of Russia - and he's been building NATO into that monster for decades.

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Montaigne314 16 hr ago +10

An interesting perspective I can also imagine more war and chaos only further pissing Russians off and eroding his own support, further reducing birth rates, and furthering economic damage

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TransBrandi 11 hr ago +3

This assumes that Putin will spin it as a war that he started in Russian media.

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lordm30 14 hr ago +7

I don't think this will happen. Someone from his inner circle would backstab Putin if he attempted an all-out war.

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Goldnglam 15 hr ago +13

come November Trumps political power is going to be cut off at the knees, it doesn't matter if he avoids impeachment he wont have the house nor the senate anymore to put up with his bullshit and guardrails start getting put into law to make sure their wont be another trump style president who overreaches. if russia is attacking "in months" that doesnt leave them a large window of time before anything Donnie says is pointless as votes go through while he tweets at 4amthat it unfair and hes the most special boy.

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xavia91 14 hr ago +13

I hope you're right; it would relieve a lot of stress from the whole world.

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lordm30 14 hr ago +5

Are you from the USA? What is the general voter sentiment?

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twoworldman 13 hr ago +8

>come November Trumps political power is going to be cut off at the knees Americans keep saying this, but I honestly want to know what's your game plan if that doesn't happen? He's crossed red line after red line, and Americans have just mostly given stood aside and taken it. This just seems to be the next red line ignored. Would people loudly conplain, but ultimately, just shrug their shoulders and say, 'we'll get him next time?' He's talked about canceling the elections, disenfranchising voters, and vote rigging. A duly elected congresswoman was rendered powerless because they refused to swear her in. The Supreme Court appears to be enabling him in some of their decisions. The court of last resort is overwhelming conservatve. People pin their salvation on the DNC party, whose leadership hasn't really risen to the occasion. The party seems fractured, breaking ranks sometimes to aid Trump legislation.

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raul_lebeau 12 hr ago +2

But Nato not joining Iran has dafanged that narrative keeping being a defensive alliance. So it's harder now to paint Nato as a war mongering threat.

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theerrantpanda99 14 hr ago +2

They would stop Finland easily. As much as I hate what Russia is; they and Ukraine are now the most experienced military powers in the world when it comes to drone warfare. I have no doubts they could stymie any advance into their territory from the Baltic region with c****, disposable fpv drones. NATO just isn’t equipped to fight in a modern drone war.

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Left-Night-1125 16 hr ago +5

Be defeated even faster?

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kobemustard 18 hr ago +29

It could work in that NATO countries could stop sending weapons to Ukraine as they think they need it for themselves. It is unlikely Europe would go on an offensive and attack Russia, just keep things as defensive. So stage a small attack, Europe hunkers down in a defensive position, stopping supples to Ukraine. Now you can attack Ukraine without Europe interference.

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Gecks777 16 hr ago +16

I could see Russia making those assumptions, but in reality even if Europe was playing defensively, a solid defensive move when your enemy is in a two front war is to deploy on both fronts. It would make sense for NATO forces already in Europe to play defense and NATO forces outside of Europe to ship directly to Ukraine to push hard on that front. Who knows what the US would do, but I think other NATO members would treat a Russian attack as the official start of the next world war and deploy forces accordingly. Even with their strong drone game, I think Russia would quickly find itself facing more well-trained, well-equipped soldiers than it could reasonably handle.

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asoap 15 hr ago +5

You would think NATO countries would push on any front besides Ukraine. Majority of Russia's defences I assume would be in Ukraine. They would likely take another front. Then try to bomb some military targets. Like sending storm shadows deep into Russia. I am assuming here.

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series-hybrid 16 hr ago +11

Kaliningrad seems to be fairly vulnerable to NATO. St Petersburg might not survive a war between Russia and NATO... At the beginning of the conflict between Ukraine and Russia about four years ago, the US and EU agreed to send money and weapons as long as Ukraine didn't hit any targets inside Russia. They were only to attack Russian soldiers inside Ukraine. Then, they could hit military targets just inside the Russian border. Then, they were "allowed" to knock out power stations to cities. Now, the Tuapse oil refinery has been in flames for over a week, which represents about 10% of Russian oil product exports. The Russians seem to be helpless to stop it. They may still strike at Ukraine, but every week that Russia continues, another large refinery is destroyed. How long will it take for Russia to rebuild them all, now that their economy has been hollowed out? Will Russians work for free? The oil pipelines, refineries, ship-loading facilities, were all targets of last resort, because if Putin had withdrawn sooner, the Russians could still sell c**** oil to the west. And Putin would NEED to sell oil to rebuild his infrastructure and military.

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Montaigne314 18 hr ago +17

They won't stop supplies unless the attack appears serious enough It's a catch 22 wit your plan And they don't have to do a full scale offensive to f*** up their shit. Just see how Ukraine targets their oil infrastructure with drones Imagine NATO doing the same at scale

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kobemustard 17 hr ago +4

Ukraine is doing it because they have to and have no options. I am not sure if Europe would do the same unless it was also an existential crisis.

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unfunnysexface 18 hr ago +8

But russia would need a credible threat to make Europe hunker down. Like tanks on the border. If not you've just brought in a fresh flank from which your enemies will bomb/cruise missile you.

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Left-Night-1125 16 hr ago +4

It wouldnt work, several factories here are made specificly for production of weaponry for Ukraine, including a drone factory in the Netherlands. Europe has the weapons for Europe and Ukraine divided.

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Lepurten 13 hr ago +5

Russia is still a country with nukes. We would probably not invade for that reason. But there is land in Ukraine we don't consider to be Russia anyway. I think the best strategy would be to push together with Ukraine in Ukraine and hope Russia collapses from the pressure. Loosing their holdings in Ukraine they got in 2014 would probably collapse Putin's regime, if not earlier.

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itszaidbtw 17 hr ago +4

Uh, problem is they can send troops to Ukraine. NATO is huge, so Russia cant attack all members at the same time.

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mrMalloc 9 hr ago +1

The thing is we are sending our old systems. While getting newer systems for our own armies. It would be a slaughter. Also they got borders to EU at Poland / Finland / Baltikums but also in turkey. Everyone would lose yes as there is no winners. But Russia can’t win in that scenario. And really Russia is weaker now that Iran is getting pelted as the amount of Iranian drones sent to them drops off. Als assuming that China would go for TW at the same time is not going to happen. It would crush the countries economy. A country that is built around investions in to the housing markets. There is 2x amount of houses more then needed many just empty shells of concrete. Once the bubble pop. The entire country goes in to recession. With a population losing its retirement plan as well as a low amount of children born.

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RyanBLKST 18 hr ago +12

We nust not underestimate Russia, it can still be an immense pain in the ass even if they cannot capture territories. They can harass with drones and it would cost a lot of money to defend, we would have to use missiles intended for Ukraine

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Montaigne314 18 hr ago +13

Maybe Or NATO ramps up production of c**** any drone tech just like Ukraine has Their harassment would have to be so significant that EU can't support Ukraine So it's a catch22 for Russia I wager this ain't happening. Putin is a coward, unless he really believes NATO is a paper tiger, he won't do shit that really aggravates them to conflict Although NATO has certainly pussyfooted enough to give him that impression

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RyanBLKST 18 hr ago +9

Even if nato starts production, it would take years to setup the supply chain.. we have a grave issue of ammo stock on europe. Also, putin attacked Ukraine because he thought it would collapse, we have no idea what he thinks about EU. We have no excuses.. we had since 2014 to prepare and we preferred to turn the eye

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Historical_Course587 16 hr ago +6

NATO's strategy would be to do the one thing Ukraine wasn't equipped to do but Europe is - precision strikes in Russia. Russia wouldn't have the capacity to mount a sustained push, and European forces would push Russia off of the Black Sea and choke them out. Between disrupting delivery routes and raw production, Russia wouldn't have enough oil to export to fund their economy. Europe isn't strong enough for a sustained war, but it's very modern and Russia is very worn down. Defending pushes from the South from Ukraine, West from Poland, Northwest from Scandanavia, and over the Arctic from Canada would be hell on Russia. Even moreso if Japan or other countries wanted to get involved. The world is running out of patience with oil suppliers causing energy instability. Nobody will help Russia extend a war against Europe that sees the West destroying Russian oil production.

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Montaigne314 18 hr ago +7

I mean anything is possible NATO has ramped up defense spending considerably tho I think if push came to shove, a lot of the anti drone tech isn't all that complicated to manufacture, I'm not talking patriots, Ukraine does it on the c****. But yea, we don't know his internal logic. But if Ukraine can fight Russia for years, the wealthiest economic bloc in the world can easily manage, even if it takes time to get into a war footing

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RyanBLKST 18 hr ago +2

I hope Russia doesn't do something stupid.. because it would lead us to some very dark possible futures

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Montaigne314 18 hr ago +2

That's true These old fucks who are afraid of death are f****** things up for everyone

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scarlettforever 11 hr ago +2

Just do a joint production with Ukrainian companies. Latest tech, very c****.

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_evilalien_ 15 hr ago +2

They can’t, they’d be crushed by only part of Europe much less the whole of European NATO members. They would be gambling that Europe doesn’t have the will for another mass conflict, and the long game is probably to chip away piece by piece.

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Various-Salt488 14 hr ago +2

It would give the US cover to not deploy NATO forces and effectively neuter the alliance methinks.

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GingerSnapSurprise 13 hr ago +2

Logically, you're absolutely right. But consider things from the perspective of a megalomanic and paranoid dictator who couldn't care less about the real flesh-and-blood people of his country. Putin is rapidly, if not already, totally dependent on the war, a foreign enemy to keep his power. Consider too that that man has just lost his key ally in the EU. Russia's military has been gutted by Ukraine, but they also haven't pulled the mass-conscription lever. Perhaps for Putin it's "better to rule in hell than to serve in Heaven"? Don't get me wrong, attacking NATO would be colossally stupid, and I would be surprised if it came to pass. But, we also have to stop assuming that we're dealing with rational actors.

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RarelyReadReplies 18 hr ago +6

It could be kind of like a cornered animal. Things aren't going his way, and he might do something crazy because he's losing. Logical or not.

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Montaigne314 18 hr ago +3

Putin is fundamentally a coward afraid of death I just don't see him increasing his odds this way, but again he is a madman who makes irrational decisions

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HolyKnightHun 18 hr ago +14

Yeah that backwards logic sounds like how people argued about the Nordstream incident. "Actually it makes perfect sense for Russia to destroy it's own infrastructure if you think about it." No it would not benefit Russia to attack NATO. Tusk is being a politician here, saying what he must to gather support that he wants. That's actually what's happening.

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svenbreakfast 16 hr ago +5

Putin's end of life ambition requires Türkiye out of NATO. Or the USA out of NATO so he stands a chance. My little opinion is that he blew his load on Ukraine- even if the USA left NATO I can't imagine his taxed military standing a chance against Europe. I'm sure Ukrainian drone operators would drool at the prospect of Russian navy being forced into arm's length.

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Goldnglam 15 hr ago +3

russias friends are shrinking quite rapidly. Hungary: Orban is out and buggering off to the US to stay with his daughter Syria: Asaad is crashing in his spare bedroom China: Only around so much as it benefits them, at a certain point if they feel that being lumped with Russia hurt prospects for not enough rewards they'll dump them North Korea: if China leave then Kim will too he needs their backing to maintain his own legitimacy

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nostromo99 16 hr ago +2

Fully agree with the last part. I don't think anybody in Russia truly believes they could win a conventional war against NATO, but why not start a little incursion into one of the Baltic states and then just sit back and watch the guaranteed shit show that is going to start within NATO on how to react? Especially with the current state of the US. The US won't lift a finger and probably even still encourage Putin with some ridiculous excuses, why this isn't an actual Article 5 trigger. This is my major concern. Not that Russia will take over Poland and Germany.

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hagenissen999 14 hr ago +4

Defense of the Baltics isn't something that happens after a meeting, it is automatic for the forces stationed there and politicians have little say about it. That's why they are there. 50 thousand are stationed in the Baltic countries, more are available on very short notice. Russians would need hundreds of thousands of troops massed on the borders for there to be any effect. Massed troops die together.

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takeda64 17 hr ago +29

This is common misconception. Russia isn't making tiny advancements because they are weak. Russia is struggling because Ukraine is actually very strong. This misconception is extremely dangerous. We have the biggest military in Europe (Russia ~1 million soldiers) fighting with the 2nd biggest military in Europe (Ukraine ~900 thousand soldiers). Sure that Europe has some gadgets that Ukraine has no access to, but with drones, most of them are not as useful as they used to be, because they can be overwhelmed with c**** drones. Just look how easily was for Iran to attack US bases in Persian gulf and how trump is unable to unlock the strait. > Also NATO has nukes. Even without the USA. So does Russia and a lot more. putin doesn't believe UK or France would fire nukes toward Moscow if he would attack Baltic states. The goal in attacking NATO right now isn't really about territory, but to create conflict where not all members would join in defense. When that happens, NATO will fall apart and then individual nations can be picked up one by one.

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socialistrob 14 hr ago +2

Glad to see a fellow Anders Puck Nielsen fan!

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lmaberley 19 hr ago +9

Well as long as Europe knows that should Russia attack someone, they absolutely cannot depend on the US.

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MarkMew 14 hr ago +3

>That makes zero sense Attacking Ukraine in tbe first place made zero sense too, has that ever stopped them?

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masixx 14 hr ago +2

Sounds absolutely like something a Russian would do. They're known for doubling down until they lose it all.

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ipsilon90 13 hr ago +2

There’s another way they might look at it, in the sense that their window for doing anything is closing. The EU is rearming, and will most likely have a joint military soon. Hungary back in the fold removes the most significant obstacle to this. Trump might very well lose in the midterms unless he is willing to go apeshit (which will further weaken the US).

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SenoSoloma00 14 hr ago +4

1. Send men without insignia to invade Estonia to protect “russian population” in Narva. 2. “We aren’t going to die for Narva!!!” 3. EU and nato becomes disorganised, unable to consolidate and respond to threats 4. Ukraine looses support, receives less if any fundings, becomes weaker 5. You get both Ukraine and Narva/all Baltic states + weak if not dissolved NATO Edit/ seriously, idk why people act as if there’s no point of poking at NATO, or that NATO will definitely fight russia as soon as they will make a move. Article 5 is just words on paper, but is there willingness to actually go to war when Russians will come? Especially for some small Estonian town? Even if whole nato personnel in Estonia gets killed by russians soldiers, still not a guarantee that NATO will actually fight. People are so used to security they are afraid to even question willingness of NATO/EU to actively fight back Besides, I for some reason think, that people whi claims “russia will not attack” or “it’s all warmongering” or “but article 5” is the same people who will be against the war with Russia when it actually attacks, straight invasion or hybrid one. Edit 2: If anything goes wrong for Russia, they just pull out their “green man” out of Estonia and claim they were never there to begin with. Literally ZERO risks

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Bearded_Hobbit 18 hr ago +2

Iran's plan is to terrorize and inconvenience until the world economy suffers. Russia is capable of this on a grand scale plus nukes.

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grby1812 15 hr ago +2

A friend of mine was at home when a burglar broke into his house. He confronted the burglar with a rifle and suddenly realized he wasn't prepared to pull the trigger. The burglar took the rifle away from him but luckily, he was able to talk his way out of it. European NATO has a rifle but the Russian burglar knows they aren't prepared to pull the trigger. Europe isn't going to deploy a tactical nuke. It makes complete sense for them to attack, especially with the loss of Hungary. The EU will try to talk their way out of it by giving strongly worded speeches while their weaker member states have their citizens raped and murdered. Poland, Latvia, Estonia, Lithuania, Finland are all vulnerable. Finland would be the most challenging militarily but less difficult than Ukraine. The others should be preparing now.

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sol-4 17 hr ago +1

It doesn't make sense because it is propaganda, and Europeans eat up everything their leaders say without giving it a single thought, so the result is low effort nonsense like what Tusk is saying.

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Crypt33x 17 hr ago +1

It makes sense if you want to get reelected and and just want to say some popular stuff to your population. It gives your billionaire friends at the news some stuff to speak about. It's populism/capitalism and it's annoying.

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not_old_redditor 16 hr ago +1

Maybe he's saying Russia *could* attack nato tomorrow. I mean, they won't, but technically they *could*.

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Epaminodas_ 14 hr ago +1

Attack can take many forms

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luisa65-L 19 hr ago +66

Attacking NATO while still bogged down in Ukraine would be the geopolitical equivalent of suicide by cop.

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ImprovementExpert511 14 hr ago +15

Unless Putin believes NATO is spineless and will allow Russia to land grab some small Baltic nations in hopes of avoiding a larger more costly conflict for Europe.

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socialistrob 14 hr ago +9

Not just "grab land" but the hope is that NATO would stop sending weapons to Ukraine if there was an attack on a NATO country. It may not even be directed at the NATO military in general but rather at weapons headed for Ukraine. If they started to be bombed Putin may hope that European countries would just say "let's not send anymore weapons" rather than retaliate in kind. The worse the war gets in Ukraine for Russia the higher the odds they pull something like this.

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Falkenmond79 12 hr ago +3

That would ignore the possibility of every European country invading Russian soil. True, the Russian doctrine for nuclear says they can use it for defending their own territory, but i would argue there are some countries just itching for the chance to take back some land lost in the last few centuries. Finland especially would just love a smaller border with Russia I’d wager. 🤣 Also it would seem to be pretty easy since Russia is geared for attacking only. Just look at Wagners run for Moscow. Discounting some token resistance and some scrambled helicopters they had a clear run. Why they stopped we‘ll possibly never know, but it was stupid. Even just defending would be hugely detrimental to Russia. Attacking is harder by leagues.

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herping_asia 18 hr ago +14

But with Trump in the whitehouse, some could argue this could be the best time to attack NATO *edited because of typo*

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ChipRockets 17 hr ago +14

NATO doesn’t need the US to roll over Russia

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ZeDominion 17 hr ago +4

You forgot France

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bookworm1398 17 hr ago +10

Unlikely as it, Europe should atleast have a plan for what to do if it happens. Decide now if the response will be air strikes on Moscow, land invasion, whatever

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HistorianOrdinary833 16 hr ago +4

Genuine question from someone not from the EU. Except for missiles, drones and nukes, does Russia have any capacity at all left to directly attack the EU? They can't even conquer half of Ukraine or fly planes into Ukrainian territory. How are they going to attack Poland or the Baltic nations with anything meaningful?

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PotentialIncident7 14 hr ago +10

Russia can't. It's ridiculous. Even if the US left the NATO alliance. It's still absolutely ridiculous.

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PomegranateOk2600 18 hr ago +47

Nah, stop this bullshit posts. This type of alerts have been given continuously for over 2 years already. Why it isn't Russia attacking already? They can't win in Ukraine and they are going to attack us?

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TheGoodspeed15 18 hr ago +10

They'll just poke at one of the Baltics to test NATO's resolve. I personally don't believe NATO would attack Russia proper even if they did go for the Baltics. Push them out sure. I really don't think NATO has the balls to attack inside Russia short of a full scale invasion of Europe

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bjnono001 18 hr ago +9

I think if Russia attacked the baltics, you'd definitely see air/drone strikes inside Russian soil.

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dweaver987 15 hr ago +4

Don’t count out the Finns. They are the country Russia would invade first (excluding Ukraine). The Finns know this and have been seriously preparing for this eventuality since Putin first attacked Ukraine. Russia is getting to the point where they will need to draft men from families in Moscow. That will shatter the support Putin has had through the war from wealthy upper class families in Moscow.

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Slick-Fork 18 hr ago +6

And to what end. Ukraine at least makes some sense but an attack on Europe has absolutely nothing to offer Russia.

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Tits_McgeeD 19 hr ago +18

Sooner the better for Russia, Europe is rearming slowly and needs a clear united front for any current and future threats.

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faffc260 19 hr ago +10

with what army, what money, and what navy? their barely advancing in ukraine as is. if you think ukraines damage to the russian economy is bad think of what europeans who can contest russian airspace would do?

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Left-Night-1125 16 hr ago +3

Isnt Russia attacking just another Tuesday in Finland? And Poland been saying this for ages. Besides alot of borders with Russia have already been strengthened, so maybe Russia opening a new front will hasten its own demise. If that happens Europe can probably take out Russia pretty fast, than invade & remove leadership from Russia, and follow up in dividing Russia in smaller states so it wont ever be such a threat ever again. Wouldnt suprise me if China backstabs Russia, they been eying several plots of land in Russia. Certain lakes close to their borders to be precise.

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Incorrigible_Gaymer 14 hr ago +3

Yeah, yeah, they've been saying it since 2022.

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Federal-Piglet 19 hr ago +12

If the US is stupid enough to get in a land war in Iran, I can see it. Try to shatter Europe in fear by attacking Estonia or something. To show the west is weak. China then goes for Taiwan

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Old_Soc 19 hr ago +13

And that right there is WW3.

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faffc260 19 hr ago +7

don't worry we're at least one year away, xi ordered the military to be ready to take it by 2027. lets just hope they aren't ahead of schedule... :\\

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one_save 19 hr ago +13

There is a genuine non-zero chance we are already in it and just haven't realized it yet.

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Flat-Emergency4891 18 hr ago +4

I don’t think he’s wrong. Without territorial gains, and questionable support from the US if any at all, what to stop Poopin from popping off some missiles in exchange for some ridiculous concessions for them to stop popping off missiles. Then barring the possibility of any chance of a successful invasion, which they cannot achieve, the escalation will expand to nuclear rhetoric and it’s a new chapter towards the eventual, inevitable use of a nuclear weapon. Granted, things could play out in infinite ways, but considering the geopolitical trajectory, I consider it a strong possibility. Of course, Europe could make concessions to prevent a Russian attack also. But I think that would only buy them time to ramp up. Scary world right now. Trump didn’t make it any easier or better, in fact, he bears tremendous responsibility. If there were only some accountability left within that office anymore. It’s all very bleak and depressing. I hope all of you people who voted for Trump are happy. This is the world he’s ushered in. It didn’t have to go that way if we continued to respect the international hegemonic position we CREATED for ourselves. If you agree with Trump or not, the fact that we are all less safe today is indisputable. Thanks a lot.

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eskimospy212 16 hr ago +7

Depends on what you mean by ‘attack’. In one sense Russia has been attacking NATO for years through attacks on democracy, society, etc. If we mean a military attack - lol. Russia is at best stalemated in its current war that it has devoted everything too. It cannot handle a second front and would collapse in short order.

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TauCabalander 15 hr ago +6

It would likely be to test NATO response. To see if NATO did anything.

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eskimospy212 15 hr ago +8

I think Russia would try the mildest military attack possible - like attack some random shitty island that’s technically within NATO to see what we would do. Russia is a cancer on the world.

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TauCabalander 15 hr ago +3

I think there is an area in Estonia(?) where ru has already been making border incursions. Sort of like ru's arctic claims. Move in and see if any protests.

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socialistrob 14 hr ago

> like attack some random shitty island that’s technically within NATO to see what we would do. Something like that is definitely possible. An attack that SHOULD trigger Article V but is in an unimportant area without many people so it's easy for other countries to say "let's not risk WWIII over some random island." If that happens then Russia has effectively proven that Article V doesn't exist and they can push their advantage.

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Lifestyle-eXzessiv 10 hr ago +1

How? They cant even get past ukraine

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Saerdna0 19 hr ago +6

Please timeline.. No more. Enough already.

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Ohigetjokes 17 hr ago +5

Quick question: ***with what?*** Russia’s military has been reduced to three guys and a broken slingshot at this point.

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christien 16 hr ago +3

that's my question..... with what?

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ghost_n_the_shell 17 hr ago +4

Dollars to donuts Russia is not attacking NATO in the next couple of months. Anyone in?

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PotentialIncident7 14 hr ago +3

No, they can't. That's ridiculous. Russia are currently losing their special operation in the Ukraine. It's absolutely out of the world to think that they could attack any EU country.

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RechargeableOwl 14 hr ago +4

Mad leaders starting a second, doomed front is not unknown in history. Right now, Putin needs an easy win. An invasion of Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania would link Russia with Kaliningrad and give Russia dominance over the Baltic, and place them with a key strategic advantage over what they see as the rising threat of Europe. Putin might also see this as a key test of Natos strength and whether or not Article 5 or Europe's 42.7 would actually be triggered. Wars don't start from a sane place.

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Gecks777 19 hr ago +2

I didn't realize NATO members were slow to react to the Russian kamikaze drone rush in Poland. Not a good look, but nevertheless there was a response, and I doubt they would be slow to react a second time. Fully defeating Russia in a war is always going to be problematic because of their nuclear umbrella, but whatever the US does, if Russia opens a second front against a NATO country, there would be a massive worldwide deployment. There is no tolerance for allowing Russia going on a rampage through Eastern Europe, and even if the US sits things out, the rest of NATO and other like-minded allies can and would field more than enough soldiers and equipment to stop them.

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FrugalKrugman 18 hr ago +2

I wonder how much Tusk statement has to do with Zelensky trying to persuade everyone to continue supporting Ukraine. It’s very tricky trying to see the real truth, there’s fearmongering on both sides.

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Public-Position7711 18 hr ago +2

With what? Stick and stones? They can’t even beat Ukraine!

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isthereadrwho 16 hr ago +2

Yes we know and the Iranians we'll have a nuclear weapons in 2 Weeks, yes yes we know

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Imbendo 15 hr ago +2

Russia isn’t attacking anyone else. They have been saying this for years. Russia is barely treading water they aren’t going to turn the wave pool on

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watch_out_4_snakes 18 hr ago +1

How? With what?

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WeaknessInformal 15 hr ago +1

Essa gente precisa de um plug!

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Imbendo 15 hr ago +1

900 months

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adhq 14 hr ago +1

The only possible explanation - if true - would be to distract NATO from other matters - at the expense of total Russian suicide. In other words, a Kamikaze mission. But, why?

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MagicMarshmallo 14 hr ago +1

What is he gonna do? Bleed on us?

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Brief_Daikon_D093 13 hr ago +1

Bullshitomondo

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P-l-Staker 13 hr ago +1

Man, Listnook loves their Russia fearmongering.

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Smugallo 13 hr ago +1

Russian exposed itself as a paper tiger over Ukraine I don't think NATO has much to worry about there.

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Spiritual-Promise869 12 hr ago +2

russia still has missiles and drones, a lot more than we have air defences. In conventional warfare, russia won't have any chance, but they can still inflict terror for civilian populations.

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sinutzu 12 hr ago +1

I don't get this constant warmongering.. Should we arm ourselves with European weapons and have a European army, should we decouple from the backstabbing USA? Hell yea.. Should we be afraid of fking Russia attacking, who hasn t made any progress in Ukraine in the last 6 months ?? Come on.. Why would they even attack? What would they have to gain (yea, i know the Baltic states and Putin's expansion wishes, but i think they kind of got stuck in Ukraine)

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Kersenn 12 hr ago +1

Probably not until the midterms in the US. Putin lost Orban, but Trump is just as great of an ally, if not better. But when the Republicans lose, and they will lose, Putin is probably going to either b**** out or escalate

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ShockaZuluu 12 hr ago +1

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DefiantProperty5197 12 hr ago +1

Nothing less from Poland. May I laugh in italian?

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Xireka- 12 hr ago +1

Can Russia just not? Can we send immortal snail to poutine, in his hubris he'll touch it and that's it

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Explorer_Equal 12 hr ago +1

Russia has failed to achieve any of its objectives in Ukraine and is a country in dire straits. I doubt it can afford another war front.

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zandrew 12 hr ago +1

I like the sound of "Poland's Tusk". The Tusk Of Poland

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not_just_putin 12 hr ago +1

They are doing it already.

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Hirork 11 hr ago +1

With what army? They've thrown the most easy to access manpower at the meat grinder in Ukraine and struggle to supply that front with fresh meat. They'd need to implement a general mobilisation to muster the manpower needed to attack Europe more widely and even then, they've lost most of the good equipment they had in Ukraine. They're down to spare parts for soviet tanks. Iran is a bit busy to be making more drones for them and China would be less inclined to damage its trading relationship with Europe by providing material.

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hihimorius 11 hr ago +1

This is hilarious.

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Singer-Informal 11 hr ago +1

And the sickest if all is that there is no truth to this article. The contributions of this channel are non-verifiable, taken out of the air, contributions without verifiable source reference. Come on guys, you are better then that.

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linkardtankard 11 hr ago +1

If they attack then *nook nook* goes Moscow

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ZwiebelLegende 11 hr ago +1

>"It wasn't easy for me to convince our partners in NATO that it wasn't a random incident, it was a well-planned and prepared provocation against Poland." >"For some of our colleagues, it was much easier to pretend that nothing happened," he added. Who? Name them! Who's burying their head in the sand?

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Open_Mortgage_4645 11 hr ago +1

If Trump doesn't abide by the country's obligations under Article 5 if Poland is attacked by Russia, he should be impeached and removed from office just for that shameful betrayal alone. Trump doesn't give a shit about the credibility and reliability of the United States. He isn't bothered by the irreparable damage he's doing to the credibility and trustworthiness on the world stage. Why should he care? He's most concerned with carrying out senseless, unprovoked wars against other sovereign nations, and engaging in all manner of fraud and profiteering for his own personal benefit. Everything else will become someone else's problem soon enough.

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ParticularSea2684 11 hr ago +1

So let's just agree not to ever use the word "Russophobia" again.

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GeneralErica 11 hr ago +1

Does Mr. Elephant horn know what a Cyberwar is? Because we’re currently in one. Daily.

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sambull 9 hr ago +1

Why is he writing the us off so fast?! They may get to it before Russia

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Jaeger__85 9 hr ago +1

They are currently losing in Ukraine. I doubt they want to open another front.

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janescontradiction 9 hr ago +1

Russia is too stretched out, in almost everyway possible to maintain any sort of meaningful attack on a different front militarily.

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