>First American Pope
>Openly condemns the new US presidents who acts like the Biblical anti-Christ
God does work in mysterious ways
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ZasdfUnreal10 hr ago
+91
It’s not an accident. They voted in a Polish Pope during the iron curtain days. Cardinals tend to vote in a new Pope from where they see the most evil.
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gh9g7 hr ago
+1
We can therefore conclude that Italy has been the most evil country by far in the last 2000 years?
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Plaineswalker6 hr ago
+1
Well, sort of. Roman empire was definitely not pure and righteous.
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drinkduffdry6 hr ago
+1
Obviously
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karny908 hr ago
+10
Tbh, I wondered that as well and just thought it was fortunate happenstance, but it would make sense
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aqsgames10 hr ago
+42
Anti abortion pro execution. How does that make sense?
If you’re anti abortion surely you have to be anti execution too?
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BasicMatter73398 hr ago
+13
I dont think abortions and executions are comparable in this circumstance
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schu4KSU10 hr ago
+36
What these have in common is they are tools of state control. That’s what’s appealing to people wired that way.
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aqsgames9 hr ago
+21
Catholic position is every life is sacred . God says thou shalt not kill. There’s no wriggle room
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Federal-Guess74208 hr ago
+9
There is debate on the Hebrew on that line if it means thou shall not murder instead. Meaning its ok to kill in self defense or when its legal like a state execution. Lots and lots of killing happened in the Bible and Jesus himself said to sell your cloak and buy a sword.
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Abedeus6 hr ago
+1
Considering that not only does God demand people commit murders in the OT, and has laws on how and when to kill people lawfully, yeah, people are just cherrypicking shit they like and agree with.
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EdiblePeasant6 hr ago
+1
> Lots and lots of killing happened in the Bible and Jesus himself said to sell your cloak and buy a sword.
Could it be symbolic or referring to something else other than mortal combat? Because in a different Bible passage, Jesus says:
"52 Then said Jesus unto him, Put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword."
I'd also like to direct you to this passage from 1 Chronicles 22:8, which I think talks about David:
"But the word of the Lord came to me, saying, Thou hast shed blood abundantly, and hast made great wars: thou shalt not build an house unto my name, because thou hast shed much blood upon the earth in my sight."
I don't think God directly says he delights in killing, even where the Law had justified it. I can't reconcile or explain away all the violence, including the wars, though, because I'm not experienced enough.
I believe there is a Biblical basis for nonviolence or even extreme nonviolence, which I can understand may be off putting to people.
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EmuFume297 hr ago
+1
I'm not sure I 100% agree with the legal like in a state execution part. But otherwise yes, exactly. I'd add to self defense, defense of community as well.
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kaukamieli7 hr ago
+1
God tells people to kill a ton in the book, tho. There is an absolute buttload of wiggle room. Enough for the church to burn people.
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EmuFume297 hr ago
+1
It also says something along the lines of "tie a wagon wheel around their neck and cast them into the sea" in reference to people who harm children. An example would be pedophiles. I firmly believe that one should definitely be a thing.
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badcatdog429 hr ago
+1
The Catholics used to be focused on fighting divorce, and ignored women's health care.
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Weecodfish8 hr ago
Divorce is still not permitted, this is why Hannity left the church because he wanted to get divorced.
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AdParty13047 hr ago
+1
Separation is allowed, but remarriage is not.
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asdhjasdhlkjashdhgf7 hr ago
is "nurse" a male or female word? Woman doing health care might be more precise. Health care was for centuries and in general not what it is today.
Woman dying at giving birth or shortly after was common, and it shaped how societies developed ways to cope it. One method was to secure responsibility for offspring by encouraging entry in a public register, like it or not, which is what marriage is about, churches keeping birth registers, with names, mothers name, fathers name - 'some' even do this still to this day. For those with inherited rights or property this was important on top, because disputes about it could easily trigger war when they claimed their share as adult.
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Mundane_Position798 hr ago
+2
Does this also include the military then?
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lastSKPirate6 hr ago
+1
It depends on the war. The Catholic "just war" theory that Vance hilariously tried to school the pope on says that war is only morally justifiable in order to prevent a greater evil. Only soldiers who kill in honourable service during a just war are not guilty of murder. This is all grossly oversimplified, but the ELI5 summary is that the Iran war fails the tests to be a just war on multiple levels.
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Fartfromabuttt8 hr ago
-1
Bible says life begins at first breath. Check yourself
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Fit-Cash33486 hr ago
+1
No it doesn’t.
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Trumpswells7 hr ago
+1
Which is why Judaism prioritizes the life of the mother, viewing the fetus as part of her body rather than an independent being.
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Abedeus6 hr ago
+1
> God says thou shalt not kill
Except all those times God explicitly said to slaughter babies from their mothers' wombs and commit genocide, at least once even punishing his own people for not doing the genocide harshly enough.
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ithinkitslupis9 hr ago
+27
Even though I don't agree I don't think those are conflicting world views. They see the potential children from a pregnancy as an innocent child. They see people convicted of severe crimes as deserving of punishment.
More conflicting is something like being against a government funded safety net to protect children while being against abortion which is also surprisingly common.
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XxChocodotxX8 hr ago
+4
You’ve more or less got it correct. It is possible both to believe that ultimately, killing is not always *wrong* (see warfare, self defense, etc), *and* to believe that an unborn child has committed no crime worthy of death. Not at all conflicting.
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rickie-ramjet8 hr ago
+4
Imagine that you consider the killing of a brand new human, the moral equivalent of executing someone who was proven guilty of committing a crime(s) worthy of the death penalty. I will say, for someone to earn the prize of the death penalty that the evidence should never be just circumstantial- should only be for incontrovertible evidence…. So first tell me what crime the child has committed, as that would only ever be circumstantial evidence.
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Abedeus6 hr ago
+1
> brand new human
Fetus is not a brand new human, though, since it's not yet born. That's what makes it a fetus, and not a human. It literally can't survive outside the womb.
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kartooning9 hr ago
+4
Comparing a guilty criminal to a completely innocent baby as if it's the same thing is dumb.
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marx2k7 hr ago
+3
TIL life isn't sacred, it's the stage of it
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Vessel7676 hr ago
+1
I would say that they see it as killing being justified if someone has done evil, and unborn children have not done evil. Of course, that assumes that a barely alive blob of flesh has any ethical value…
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konawolv6 hr ago
+1
they are not even remotely related... Thats like saying a jolly rancher and a prime filet are both food, and therefore the same...
Abortion is executing live that has never had the opportunity to make any decision. Executions as part of punishment is against an adult whom has made choices.
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RoleTall20259 hr ago
-1
you seriously underestimate the value of unwanted babies growing up to military age.....
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SweetAlyssumm7 hr ago
-1
But Catholicism is against abortion to save the life of the mother. Why the baby is more important than an adult living her life, with friends and family who need and love her, I don't know.
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porgy_tirebiter9 hr ago
+5
He’s weak on crime! He’s a loser! His ratings are down!
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ididntunderstandyou9 hr ago
+4
He shouldn’t speak so much about theology
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DigSpelledBackwards9 hr ago
+2
Non paywall version?
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No_Introduction_35427 hr ago
+1
How about condemning pedophiles?
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Scared-Engineer-62186 hr ago
+1
Can't shit where you eat
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Ok-Pair-27838 hr ago
The Catholic Church's historical precedents go against most of what the Pope preaches today. Either he doesn’t believe what he says, or most of the Popes before him were heretics. Even fantasy needs some consistency, you know?
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uprightshark8 hr ago
+1
Thou shalt not kill
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DaemonPrimarchJ8 hr ago
+1
The US always seems to use extremely painful methods, lethal injection for example which is far worse than just falling asleep and dying (which is possible to do using barbiturates, it's how pets are put down painlessly, the US lethal injection feels like veins are on fire and being electrocuted simultaneously, according to people who survived it)
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b3iAAoLZOH9Y265cujFh8 hr ago
Much like Iran, although I suspect the irony would be wasted on a lot of Americans.
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thingsinmyhouse9 hr ago
-2
Yeah your holy book has plenty on executions and who it should be done to.
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regal199996 hr ago
+1
Capital punishment is def warranted in some cases … taking someone else’s life purposely and doing harm to kids are immediate grounds for termination imo
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Peace-For-People10 hr ago
-20
When's he going to condemn pedophillia?
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Mother-Laugh23959 hr ago
+13
He a,ready has, Google it.
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bljadmann6910 hr ago
+22
He already condemns Trump
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AkiStudios110 hr ago
-8
Yeah, the church has a bigger history in that realm than Trump.
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throwaway362929292910 hr ago
+7
To be fair, it's not just the church
Creeps will always try to find jobs where they're around vulnerable people like children, women or the elderly, they're charming and manipulative so they don't get suspected, they seek positions of authority where people are likely to not call them out and they silence the victims or slutshame them
They're all around us, religious and non religious alike
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Ok-Agent-67217 hr ago
-9
Yeah screw capital punishment, we should give murderers caviar in jail, that will surely rehabilitate them
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ibaiki7 hr ago
+1
Capital punishment is not a meaningful deterrent, it is just violent revenge for its own sake.
The only thing that matters is preventing crime and, failing that, reducing recidivism rates. Preserving the brutality of prison accomplishes neither.
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Ok-Agent-67216 hr ago
+1
Wrong. Bringing back torture would surely deter crime. Society won't because y'all are pussies and we still live under christian-made laws (they believe meekness and weakness are good things Lol)
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OMG_A_CUPCAKE6 hr ago
+1
> Bringing back torture would surely deter crime.
Recorded history says otherwise.
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