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Healthylife55 Apr 25, 2026 +31

new pope same stance, at least he is consistent.

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Nuclear-Jester Apr 25, 2026 +174

>First American Pope >Openly condemns the new US presidents who acts like the Biblical anti-Christ God does work in mysterious ways

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ZasdfUnreal Apr 25, 2026 +91

It’s not an accident. They voted in a Polish Pope during the iron curtain days. Cardinals tend to vote in a new Pope from where they see the most evil.

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gh9g Apr 25, 2026 +1

We can therefore conclude that Italy has been the most evil country by far in the last 2000 years?

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Plaineswalker Apr 25, 2026 +1

Well, sort of. Roman empire was definitely not pure and righteous.

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drinkduffdry Apr 25, 2026 +1

Obviously

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karny90 Apr 25, 2026 +10

Tbh, I wondered that as well and just thought it was fortunate happenstance, but it would make sense

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aqsgames Apr 25, 2026 +42

Anti abortion pro execution. How does that make sense? If you’re anti abortion surely you have to be anti execution too?

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BasicMatter7339 Apr 25, 2026 +13

I dont think abortions and executions are comparable in this circumstance

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schu4KSU Apr 25, 2026 +36

What these have in common is they are tools of state control. That’s what’s appealing to people wired that way.

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aqsgames Apr 25, 2026 +21

Catholic position is every life is sacred . God says thou shalt not kill. There’s no wriggle room

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Federal-Guess7420 Apr 25, 2026 +9

There is debate on the Hebrew on that line if it means thou shall not murder instead. Meaning its ok to kill in self defense or when its legal like a state execution. Lots and lots of killing happened in the Bible and Jesus himself said to sell your cloak and buy a sword.

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Abedeus Apr 25, 2026 +1

Considering that not only does God demand people commit murders in the OT, and has laws on how and when to kill people lawfully, yeah, people are just cherrypicking shit they like and agree with.

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EdiblePeasant Apr 25, 2026 +1

> Lots and lots of killing happened in the Bible and Jesus himself said to sell your cloak and buy a sword. Could it be symbolic or referring to something else other than mortal combat? Because in a different Bible passage, Jesus says: "52 Then said Jesus unto him, Put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword." I'd also like to direct you to this passage from 1 Chronicles 22:8, which I think talks about David: "But the word of the Lord came to me, saying, Thou hast shed blood abundantly, and hast made great wars: thou shalt not build an house unto my name, because thou hast shed much blood upon the earth in my sight." I don't think God directly says he delights in killing, even where the Law had justified it. I can't reconcile or explain away all the violence, including the wars, though, because I'm not experienced enough. I believe there is a Biblical basis for nonviolence or even extreme nonviolence, which I can understand may be off putting to people.

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EmuFume29 Apr 25, 2026 +1

I'm not sure I 100% agree with the legal like in a state execution part. But otherwise yes, exactly. I'd add to self defense, defense of community as well.

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kaukamieli Apr 25, 2026 +1

God tells people to kill a ton in the book, tho. There is an absolute buttload of wiggle room. Enough for the church to burn people.

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EmuFume29 Apr 25, 2026 +1

It also says something along the lines of "tie a wagon wheel around their neck and cast them into the sea" in reference to people who harm children. An example would be pedophiles. I firmly believe that one should definitely be a thing.

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badcatdog42 Apr 25, 2026 +1

The Catholics used to be focused on fighting divorce, and ignored women's health care.

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Weecodfish Apr 25, 2026

Divorce is still not permitted, this is why Hannity left the church because he wanted to get divorced.

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AdParty1304 Apr 25, 2026 +1

Separation is allowed, but remarriage is not.

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asdhjasdhlkjashdhgf Apr 25, 2026

is "nurse" a male or female word? Woman doing health care might be more precise. Health care was for centuries and in general not what it is today. Woman dying at giving birth or shortly after was common, and it shaped how societies developed ways to cope it. One method was to secure responsibility for offspring by encouraging entry in a public register, like it or not, which is what marriage is about, churches keeping birth registers, with names, mothers name, fathers name - 'some' even do this still to this day. For those with inherited rights or property this was important on top, because disputes about it could easily trigger war when they claimed their share as adult.

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Mundane_Position79 Apr 25, 2026 +2

Does this also include the military then?

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lastSKPirate Apr 25, 2026 +1

It depends on the war. The Catholic "just war" theory that Vance hilariously tried to school the pope on says that war is only morally justifiable in order to prevent a greater evil. Only soldiers who kill in honourable service during a just war are not guilty of murder. This is all grossly oversimplified, but the ELI5 summary is that the Iran war fails the tests to be a just war on multiple levels.

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Fartfromabuttt Apr 25, 2026 -1

Bible says life begins at first breath. Check yourself

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Fit-Cash3348 Apr 25, 2026 +1

No it doesn’t.

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Trumpswells Apr 25, 2026 +1

Which is why Judaism prioritizes the life of the mother, viewing the fetus as part of her body rather than an independent being.

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Abedeus Apr 25, 2026 +1

> God says thou shalt not kill Except all those times God explicitly said to slaughter babies from their mothers' wombs and commit genocide, at least once even punishing his own people for not doing the genocide harshly enough.

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ithinkitslupis Apr 25, 2026 +27

Even though I don't agree I don't think those are conflicting world views. They see the potential children from a pregnancy as an innocent child. They see people convicted of severe crimes as deserving of punishment. More conflicting is something like being against a government funded safety net to protect children while being against abortion which is also surprisingly common.

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XxChocodotxX Apr 25, 2026 +4

You’ve more or less got it correct. It is possible both to believe that ultimately, killing is not always *wrong* (see warfare, self defense, etc), *and* to believe that an unborn child has committed no crime worthy of death. Not at all conflicting.

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rickie-ramjet Apr 25, 2026 +4

Imagine that you consider the killing of a brand new human, the moral equivalent of executing someone who was proven guilty of committing a crime(s) worthy of the death penalty. I will say, for someone to earn the prize of the death penalty that the evidence should never be just circumstantial- should only be for incontrovertible evidence…. So first tell me what crime the child has committed, as that would only ever be circumstantial evidence.

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Abedeus Apr 25, 2026 +1

> brand new human Fetus is not a brand new human, though, since it's not yet born. That's what makes it a fetus, and not a human. It literally can't survive outside the womb.

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kartooning Apr 25, 2026 +4

Comparing a guilty criminal to a completely innocent baby as if it's the same thing is dumb.

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marx2k Apr 25, 2026 +3

TIL life isn't sacred, it's the stage of it

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Vessel767 Apr 25, 2026 +1

I would say that they see it as killing being justified if someone has done evil, and unborn children have not done evil. Of course, that assumes that a barely alive blob of flesh has any ethical value…

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konawolv Apr 25, 2026 +1

they are not even remotely related... Thats like saying a jolly rancher and a prime filet are both food, and therefore the same... Abortion is executing live that has never had the opportunity to make any decision. Executions as part of punishment is against an adult whom has made choices.

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RoleTall2025 Apr 25, 2026 -1

you seriously underestimate the value of unwanted babies growing up to military age.....

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SweetAlyssumm Apr 25, 2026 -1

But Catholicism is against abortion to save the life of the mother. Why the baby is more important than an adult living her life, with friends and family who need and love her, I don't know.

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porgy_tirebiter Apr 25, 2026 +5

He’s weak on crime! He’s a loser! His ratings are down!

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ididntunderstandyou Apr 25, 2026 +4

He shouldn’t speak so much about theology

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DigSpelledBackwards Apr 25, 2026 +2

Non paywall version?

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No_Introduction_3542 Apr 25, 2026 +1

How about condemning pedophiles?

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Scared-Engineer-6218 Apr 25, 2026 +1

Can't shit where you eat

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Ok-Pair-2783 Apr 25, 2026

The Catholic Church's historical precedents go against most of what the Pope preaches today. Either he doesn’t believe what he says, or most of the Popes before him were heretics. Even fantasy needs some consistency, you know?

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uprightshark Apr 25, 2026 +1

Thou shalt not kill

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DaemonPrimarchJ Apr 25, 2026 +1

The US always seems to use extremely painful methods, lethal injection for example which is far worse than just falling asleep and dying (which is possible to do using barbiturates, it's how pets are put down painlessly, the US lethal injection feels like veins are on fire and being electrocuted simultaneously, according to people who survived it)

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b3iAAoLZOH9Y265cujFh Apr 25, 2026

Much like Iran, although I suspect the irony would be wasted on a lot of Americans.

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thingsinmyhouse Apr 25, 2026 -2

Yeah your holy book has plenty on executions and who it should be done to.

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regal19999 Apr 25, 2026 +1

Capital punishment is def warranted in some cases … taking someone else’s life purposely and doing harm to kids are immediate grounds for termination imo

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Peace-For-People Apr 25, 2026 -20

When's he going to condemn pedophillia?

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Mother-Laugh2395 Apr 25, 2026 +13

He a,ready has, Google it.

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bljadmann69 Apr 25, 2026 +22

He already condemns Trump

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AkiStudios1 Apr 25, 2026 -8

Yeah, the church has a bigger history in that realm than Trump.

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throwaway3629292929 Apr 25, 2026 +7

To be fair, it's not just the church Creeps will always try to find jobs where they're around vulnerable people like children, women or the elderly, they're charming and manipulative so they don't get suspected, they seek positions of authority where people are likely to not call them out and they silence the victims or slutshame them They're all around us, religious and non religious alike

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Ok-Agent-6721 Apr 25, 2026 -9

Yeah screw capital punishment, we should give murderers caviar in jail, that will surely rehabilitate them

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ibaiki Apr 25, 2026 +1

Capital punishment is not a meaningful deterrent, it is just violent revenge for its own sake. The only thing that matters is preventing crime and, failing that, reducing recidivism rates. Preserving the brutality of prison accomplishes neither.

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Ok-Agent-6721 Apr 25, 2026 +1

Wrong. Bringing back torture would surely deter crime. Society won't because y'all are pussies and we still live under christian-made laws (they believe meekness and weakness are good things Lol)

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OMG_A_CUPCAKE Apr 25, 2026 +1

> Bringing back torture would surely deter crime. Recorded history says otherwise.

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