Wild timeline where the Pope is basically saying I’ll keep talking about peace no matter what and Trump responds like it’s a personal attack.
One is talking about ending war, the other is arguing about who’s right. That contrast says everything.
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cooliosteve5 days ago
+39
I don't know in what world the pope is expected to be tough on crime and which criminals he is expected to be tough on. Sometimes they are so stupid I struggle to even understand the rationale
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No_Elderberry_47125 days ago
+21
As a Catholic, I could not be more proud of my Pope Leo.🙏
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GardeniaFrangipani4 days ago
+8
As a nonCatholic, I’m with you.
8
OhDivineBussy5 days ago
+197
I grew up Lutheran, which is a great way to learn about the horrors of the Catholic Church and its history, and while I haven’t been a Christian for a long time I still vehemently dislike the Catholic Church and the papacy.
Pope Leo goes hard as f***.
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Admirable-Drama-4325 days ago
+216
> I grew up Lutheran, which is a great way to learn about the horrors of the Catholic Church and its history, and while I haven’t been a Christian for a long time I still vehemently dislike the Catholic Church and the papacy.
>
> Pope Leo goes hard as f***.
Honestly, you don’t even have to like the Catholic Church to admit this goes hard.
Pope Leo basically getting attacked and still sticking to ‘yeah I’m gonna keep talking about peace’ is just rare energy.
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Cabbages24ADollar5 days ago
+60
Especially in the Christian world. And nonexistent if your Evangelical
60
mritoday5 days ago
+106
It's really not unusual for a pope. 'Stop killing each other, help the poor' is pretty standard.
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pepperino1325 days ago
+9
True but I wonder if other popes would be too nervous about being accused of interfering in politics. I don't know if they would or not, but either way, Leo saying no peace is not political I'll keep talking is very commendable IMO.
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subnautus4 days ago
+13
Francis was critical of Trump's rhetoric, Jean-Paul promoted peace pretty much at every turn, and if Benedict wasn't up to his t*** mismanaging sexual abuse scandals all the time, I'm confident he would have, too.
The pope's main job is to try to keep faith relevant in modern life. Jesus preached peace and taking care of one another, so it shouldn't be surprising to see popes constantly trying to push that theme back to the forefront.
That said, it's not surprising that Leo would have things to say about American politics. He's an American himself, after all.
13
clementine18645 days ago
+80
I don't even consider evangelicals to be christian, .If you don't believe in the teachings of Jesus and call him"woke" ,then you are not a believer ,I don't know what they are
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CharcoalGreyWolf5 days ago
+18
Christian Nationalists, generally.
If country (or money) becomes as important as Christ, you’re not doing it right. No matter the denomination.
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etham5 days ago
+5
We might even call them...heretics.
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IntermittentCaribu5 days ago
+18
The original evangelical-lutheran christians are probably the most christian christians ever tho. Then the US touched it and it turned to shit like everything.
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vaporwaverhere5 days ago
-50
Pope Leo is a leader of an organization that defends rapists.
-50
BaitmasterG5 days ago
+40
And trump is a convicted rapist, so why's the pope not defending him?
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redyellowblue50315 days ago
+9
If Trump hadn’t made it clear, he’s barely a fair weather kind of religious person.
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Galaghan5 days ago
+15
And Trump isn't a real leader but he is a real rapist.
Sorry, what was your point?
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vaporwaverhere5 days ago
-29
Can you prove that on court? If not, you’re full of shit
-29
Galaghan5 days ago
+14
E. Jean Carroll is the first example I can think of. And yes that has been to court.
If that doesn't count, give it a bit of time.
There will be more convictions soon, don't worry about it.
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vaporwaverhere5 days ago
-26
Yeah a woman that mysteriously doesn’t denounce him to put him behind bars, only to take his money. I wonder why.
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CuteLingonberry97045 days ago
+12
Its called statute of limitations.
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vaporwaverhere4 days ago
-2
Then why didn’t she report him earlier?
-2
Galaghan5 days ago
+9
Keep moving those goalposts, sure.
Btw I'm still waiting on the point you were trying to make.
9
SomeGalNamedAshley5 days ago
+54
Pope Leo was picked to be the best counter for what may be the Antichrist. It's hard to go harder than that.
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eypandabear5 days ago
+62
> I grew up Lutheran, which is a great way to learn about the horrors of the Catholic Church and its history [..]
To be fair, most of the horrors the Catholic Church is known for were perpetrated in at least equal measure by Protestants. Witch hunts, for example, are wrongly associated with the Middle Ages but they only really took off in the early modern era after the Reformation (then by both Catholics and Protestants).
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Reddvox5 days ago
+35
And the actual church hated that c*** and usually you were better off if the Vatican sent experts as you could expect a more serious and professional trial...in contrast to just some local dudes WANTING to find witches...
Spanish inqiusition was a bit different though...as one might ... expect...haha...uh...
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ffsudjat5 days ago
+13
I did not expect the last. Nobody did.
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lebennaia5 days ago
+13
Though the Spanish Inquistion did not believe in witches. They investigated, and decided it was all just superstition. It was heretics, Jews and Muslims that they were interested in.
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GrandRub5 days ago
+13
yeah people get it wrong all the time - for most of the middle ages the church was like "god doesnt care about witches.. its just a minor thing some crazy people do in the woods.
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CharcoalGreyWolf5 days ago
+9
“For all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God” is probably the most accurate passage of Scripture I know.
Because it’s not about a denomination, it’s about everyone. The first step towards genuine faith is understanding that it doesn’t make one better than others; rather, it’s acknowledging one’s sinfulness as a human being.
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ankokudaishogun5 days ago
+57
> I grew up Lutheran, which is a great way to learn about the horrors of the Catholic Church and its history
Catholic Church history is full of horrible shit, but if your source is growing *protestant* then you might be a *bit* biased.
But I'm sure you already took that in consideration and went learning about the history from more neutral sources.
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Born_ina_snowbank5 days ago
+4
Ex catholic here, I like this guy.
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Menown5 days ago
+1
A lion stands tall amidst a pack of wolves.
1
Thesleek5 days ago
+1
Pope seems to be respeccing off Holy into something else
1
Dauntless_Idiot5 days ago
+271
Imagine if the first American pope causes the first American antipope!
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Cabbages24ADollar5 days ago
+74
Trump is drooling on a King Henry the Viii scenario
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sylva7485 days ago
+46
The difference is the UK was predominantly Catholic abd cared about what the Pope said. The Church of England happened because the King wanted a divorce during the time when Catholicism didn't allow it. The US is predominantly Christian but it is not Catholic. It is mostly various shades of Protestantism. They dont care about the Papacy to begin with. Its not the same situation. This isnt some predominantly Catholic nation like Ireland, Spain, or Italy pulling a Church of England. All it would do is reinforce the lunacy of the Evangelicals in the US. A hypothetical "Church of Trump" or "Church of Truth" should be treated as a religious extremist group. Much like ISIS is to Islam as an example. Because that's all it would be. Its a group of Protestants saying "f*** the pope" and going more extreme. When saying "f*** the pope" was the core issue of the Protestant Reforms started by Martin Luther to begin with.
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jovin495 days ago
+8
Weren't a lot of Amerucan Catholics vocally unhappy with this pope and the last one because they viewed them as too progressive? I wouldn't put it past them to do an Anglican style split.
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Cabbages24ADollar5 days ago
+6
The focus to me is really on Trump throwing a fit like King Henry and not on this being a Catholic country.
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MelpomeneAndCalliope4 days ago
+2
My friend had a whole theory worked out when really stoned a few weeks ago how Trump is the reincarnation of Henry VIII. It made a lot sense (to someone really stoned).
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SYLOH4 days ago
+1
There's been several American Antipopes already.
EG [Francis Schuckardt
](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_Schuckardt) who was part of the Sedevacantism movement after a bunch of people got butt hurt over the Second Vatican Council in the early 1960s.
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Dauntless_Idiot4 days ago
+1
Interesting, I thought there hadn't been any Antipopes since the 15th century. Perhaps its because they considered minor ones.
1
Plane_Discipline_1985 days ago
+141
First American Pope and the president goes to war with him. Crazy and sad times we live in.
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SomeGalNamedAshley5 days ago
+79
Antichrist's gonna Antichrist.
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VagrantShadow5 days ago
+25
He is sitting there smiling as all of his followers have his maga brand hat, shirts, stickers, and tattoos. His personal mark of the beast.
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TeaAndLifting5 days ago
+6
I remember people saying that he could be the Antichrist during his first term, and blew it off because how much could he do? Now looking back on this second term, f*** me. If I was religious, he'd definitely be a good candidate for it, and it becomes more and more apparent by the day. Especially with how he's expandedd the cult, plastering his name everywhere, etc.
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Dairunt4 days ago
As a presbiterian I didn't like Catholics that much. This pope and the previous one have exceeded my expectations. It's nice to see there are actual brothers in Christ speaking against injustice for a change.
0
Marco_lini5 days ago
+2
In other times there would already been a monumental event welcoming him in Boston, NY or Washington. Now it‘s a full on beef with one side clearly immersed in stupidyy
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exciting_one20055 days ago
+92
Careful Pope! Trump might just attack Vatican City!
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tormentnexus5 days ago
+78
Or send JD Vance to shake his hand.
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firthy5 days ago
+17
Then he can have the Handshake Final Showdown with Llz Truss - killer of the near immortal Queen Elizabeth, to become the undisputed champion.
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lebennaia4 days ago
+2
Who knows if HM is finally gone? She had both Odin and Vlad Dracula in her family tree, so she might be just resting for a bit...
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dodadoler5 days ago
+13
He did kill the last pope
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PolarWater5 days ago
+34
That's what JD stands for after all. Justkilled Dapope
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Tough_Representative5 days ago
+34
Only a matter of time until The Vatican is on the verge of acquiring a nuclear weapon...
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Wavecrest6675 days ago
+17
The Holy Intercontinental Ballistic Missile of Antioch.
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Zealousideal_Cup48965 days ago
+6
Three shall be the number thou shall count and the number of the counting shall be three!
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exciting_one20055 days ago
+2
Make The Crusades Great Again!!!
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kai2294 days ago
+2
Can't believe worms predicted the Holy Hand Grenade
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nickyboay4 days ago
+1
Every Catholic church has hundreds of Roman Missals
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Settra_Rulez5 days ago
+17
Luckily the Vatican is connected by a causeway to the Castel Sant'Angelo, a fortress created out of the mausoleum of Emperor Hadrian. Of course, the Pope would have to clear out the museum staff that now run the place.
But Leo could run across the little causeway and bring some supplies to endure a siege against US attack. Hasn’t happened since the Holy Roman Empire attacked in the 1500s, but who knows how things will go in these times.
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Appropriate-Joke-8065 days ago
+3
It’s a nice brisk walk to get to the fortress, not sure he’d need to run.
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clarkrd5 days ago
+10
He could just pop down to the catacombs and hide around tombs. The Swiss Guard could go all Vietcong and set up spider traps. Leo would have miles of shelf space to hide.
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GrandRub5 days ago
+9
a movie i would watch.
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serpiccio5 days ago
+4
somebody should pitch this to netflix as a mini serie, I'd watch it lol
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SomeGalNamedAshley5 days ago
+1
Don't threaten them with a good time.
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dodadoler5 days ago
+8
Tariff the prayers
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GriffinFlash5 days ago
+1
Importing prayers from heaven? Tariffs!
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GriffinFlash5 days ago
+4
wait till he finds out about the Vatican gold. He would "liberate" the city so fast.
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Ingr1d5 days ago
+1
He did attack Venezuela for its gold. You know what other place has a lot of gold?
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tedsmitts5 days ago
+1
Mr. President, it is time to take El Dorado.
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HunterDude545 days ago
Nah! It would be a blockade. /s
0
Ok-Aspect625 days ago
+30
It’s less about fear and more about influence. Moral authority doesn’t operate on the same terms as political power.
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Thrillog5 days ago
+2
...which usually is the right way to do things, but even god himself could not foresee the descent of orange plague of incompetence.
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[deleted]5 days ago
+1
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supercali455 days ago
+104
JD the Catholic is picking a Pedo Felon over the Pope ….
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Utegenthal5 days ago
+41
I saw a few months ago a documentary about Vance where among others they interviewed the guy who helped him convert to catholicism. They spoke about that infamous meeting with the late Pope Franciscus where Vance and the pope apparently had a quite heated discussion (and the Franciscus died right after lol). That catholic friend of Vance proceeded to explain that he had discussed this debate Vance and the pope had with mutliple theologians and they all agreed Vance was right. These people think they know and understand the catholic religion better than the freaking pope. That's how nuts they are.
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Lyciana5 days ago
+27
I'm not catholic, so correct me if I'm wrong. But isn't the pope by definition the final arbiter on interpretation of the catholic faith? As in, what he says about catholic religion is correct because he said it.
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SomeGalNamedAshley5 days ago
+27
He is literally the leader and envoy caretaker in place of Jesus. The Pope is considered the "Vicar of Christ," acting as the visible leader, representative of Christ, and earthly shepherd of the Catholic Church in place of Jesus. He is regarded as St. Peter's successor, charged with leading the Church on earth, though Jesus remains the supreme head over the entire apparatus.
The biggest contention between Catholics and Protestants or Catholics and Eastern Orthodox or Catholics and other Catholics (Catholics, they ruined Catholicism!!!) is over if the Pope can be in that position and effectively speak on Jesus' behalf. Over the centuries there have been very different interpretations of how to perform that role running the range of straight up power-hungry God complex down to Pope Francis being asked about gay people and responding with "who am I to judge?"
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ankokudaishogun5 days ago
+13
Yes except no.
He *can act* as Final Arbiter and when he does it all Catholic are bound to believe his word in matters of faith and morals.
That normally applies to parts of Ecumenical Councils and the extremely rare cases where he speaks ex-cathedra.
He usually *does not*.
Which means he's still the highest religious authority of Catholicism.
You are supposed to follow his lead on matters of faith and morals.
You are free to have doubts, mind you, but not to deny the Pope's words outside the proper channels.
Read: if you aren't an ultra-accredited theologian who can actually write a 300 pages thesis on why the Pope might be wrong about using a slash instead of a backslash(and back it up with as many pages of references) then shut up.
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Utegenthal5 days ago
+6
Not a catholic myself either but that's also my understanding, yes
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ieatthosedownvotes4 days ago
+3
Yes, He is considered to be the Vicar of Christ. (Vicar is from the Latin word _vicarius_ which means substitute.)
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vaporwaverhere5 days ago
-12
Even an idiot understands better this religion than that Argentinan pope
-12
Ntroepy5 days ago
+55
To be fair, a majority of American Catholics voted for Trump and support Trump over the pope. And their support was crucial to Trump’s victory.
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roastedsun5 days ago
+18
Cognitive dissonance must be going real hard right now
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Ntroepy5 days ago
+10
That can be said of both Catholics and evangelicals, although evangelicals have been practicing it much longer.
At least the Catholic Church has tried to be consistent, whereas evangelicals are built on a foundation of hate.
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wegwerferie5 days ago
+11
I think a good chunk of the American Republican Catholic vote is:
1.) Abortion
2.) Miami cubans who really, really, really, really hate cuba
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Sweet-Sale-73035 days ago
+5
Not all Catholics. MY father is a pretty religious catholic and hates Trump. Voted democrat last election.
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ieatthosedownvotes4 days ago
+3
Both JFK and Biden (The only Catholic presidents) were (D).
3
tarhuntah5 days ago
+3
Do you have a source for this? Most I grew up with were Democrats
3
vincentkun5 days ago
+4
It's available on a simple google search. Catholic support for Trump only last month dropped to 48%...
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Sweet-Sale-73035 days ago
+1
Most catholics I know usually vote republican locally and Democrat Nationally.
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Murray385 days ago
+1
You make it sound like a not insignificant portion of Catholics aren’t about to do the same.
1
momalloyd5 days ago
+12
Plus, obtaining sainthood because you got martyred by the Antichrist is about the only and best promotion a pope can get.
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tupe125 days ago
+33
The next US president is going to have to do a lot of apologizing
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Groentekroket5 days ago
+49
It’s too late to apologize. The system is allowing this kind of madness. The trust in the USA is gone and won’t come back for many allies unless there are big changes in the system to prevent this happening again
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SoulRebel7265 days ago
+13
Yup. I don't understand how the rest of the world can ever put an ounce of trust in the US ever again if we're so liable to elect an unhinged whack job every four years.
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xenoph4 days ago
+9
And the thing is, you did it twice. Sorry to say but this term hurt your influence in the world especially badly.
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SoulRebel7264 days ago
+5
Don't apologize, you're correct. I could see the international community giving us a pass if this were a one-off. But yeah, we put that a****** back in power a second time, knowing all that we know about him.
I don't expect the rest of the world to let this slide, and I certainly don't blame them.
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Secret-Map46713 days ago
+1
German here. I honestly don't think this is going to be permanent. Our country was rebuilt and allowed to play with the big boys again after the Third Reich's fall, especially because you helped us out (And the Third Reich was still several magnitudes worse than whatever Trump does at the moment).
As soon as you've got your MAGA thing sorted out over there, I'm pretty sure we'd like to have you around again.
1
GriffinFlash5 days ago
+19
oh boy are they ever.
Apologize to the middle east, allies, NATO, South America, it's own citizen after the ICE fiasco, the global economy, the penguin island, basically the entire world, and heck, I feel like there's still a lot I'm forgetting.
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Spiritual-Matters5 days ago
+8
“tHe WeAk DeMoCrAt ApOloGy ToUr! ReMeMbEr WhEn We WeRe a StRoNg, PrOuD, GoD FeAriNg CoUnTry?” -FOX
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lostproton5 days ago
+9
A man lost in delusions of grandeur and showing clear signs of senility is attacking a moral authority that stands beyond his reach. In doing so, he is sending himself and his country into a downward spiral with no brakes to hold them back.
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Luka_Dunks_on_Bums5 days ago
+11
The man is from the south side of Chicago, Trump is never going to scare him
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ieatthosedownvotes4 days ago
+1
That part.
1
Farrudar5 days ago
+8
Wait that’s the Pope?! I thought he was just some doctor.
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TellMotor38095 days ago
+7
Should be JD that he fears
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JapioF5 days ago
+13
He's right. Vance is the one to fear. If he wants to meet, maybe decline...
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ABoutDeSouffle5 days ago
+4
If he has to point out that he isn't afraid of the president of the USA, that means there have been voiced some massive threats.
Scary times when not even the pope is off-limits.
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deft-jumper015 days ago
+4
Get these two in the octagon!!
The white house UFC card
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TlkShowHost5 days ago
+6
He would be badass if he just excommunicated the orange POS.
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Accurate_Neat_3555 days ago
+10
JD Vance specifically who fancies himself a Catholic
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Front_Promise_59915 days ago
+3
the Americans are so proud that even can jump against the Pope.
Well this didn't end well for a few emperors .
3
serpiccio5 days ago
+3
theoretically, what would happen if trump decides to invade the vatican ?
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lebennaia5 days ago
+7
Italy would have quite a lot to say about it, as would the EU and the rest of NATO.
The traditional policy for popes in such circumstances is to leg it down the secret passage to the fortress of Castel Sant'Angelo (formerly the Mausoleum of Hadrian) with their troops. The castle is now a museum, but it's still very defensible.
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kai2294 days ago
+3
It's a fun scenario to entertain because it would probably be one of the biggest shitshows in modern history. Not only would the US lose support of 99% of every Catholic ever but it would automatically canonize the Pope if he died during it, would very likely strengthen Catholicism's "soft power" (I don't like the IR concept but it gets the semantic job done) and honestly it would probably galvanize the vast majority of the Catholic West + Orthodox East against the US. While the Slavs don't follow the Pope, the Patriarch system that each one of them follows would likely feel threatened to all hell by the operation.
3
Necropolis7505 days ago
+3
The Swiss Guard is gonna whoop his Cheeto-crusted ass so hard that it'll make the Spanish Inquisition feel like a day at the Roman baths.
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kerrvilledasher5 days ago
+2
Trump done gone and pissed off the Pope!!!
2
prince-pauper5 days ago
+2
#Don’t fear the creeper
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DurrMerGurd4 days ago
+1
Chicago guy not afraid of Florida man. Tracks, no one from Chicago would fear a Floridian ever
1
Dbag854 days ago
+1
What is Trump going to do about it!?
1
Ignore_User_Name4 days ago
+1
666% tariff on the Vatican
It's ok. US has American Jesus Trump
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Lower_Ad_13174 days ago
+2
Pope: I speak for a billion and a half catholics *and* I have the backing of the Catholic Church.
Do you know how much money and wealth I have at my disposal?! ~~B****.~~
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rithrawr4 days ago
+1
I don't know what the Pope is talking about.
Trump got the peace prize... from Fifa. lol.
1
Certain_Librarian3735 days ago
+2
Neither do the Iranians fear Trump.
Atta boy Leo
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More_Finger65445 days ago
+2
The man who has been literally demanding the Nobel Peace Prize attacks the person who makes a literal peace speech in the middle of a war.
What even is this timeline?!
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Potential_Salt_57805 days ago
+1
Orange moron says outrageous things. Just ignore the dumbass.
1
Mayor_of_Voodoo5 days ago
+1
The Pope should unilaterally excommunicate him.
1
Particular-Way-38055 days ago
+1
He’s a Chicagoan what you expect
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Sufficient_Topic15895 days ago
+1
Cos he has to fear JD Vance as the reason the last pope passed 🙃
1
Papervolcano5 days ago
+1
How long before Trump taco-converts to Catholicism?
1
shamanphenix5 days ago
+1
Hey americans: there's no oil in Vatican.
1
This_Way_Comes5 days ago
+1
Surprising feud we got here
1
tuta_user5 days ago
+1
Not concerned he'll be taken out by a B2?
1
Superest225 days ago
+2
Would love to know how those Deep South republicans would respond to this.
Shame they can’t read.
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whizbangapps5 days ago
+1
Why would anyone fear a pedophile
1
lebennaia5 days ago
+2
Children, and their parents, would.
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DefinitelyIncorrect4 days ago
+1
I see he's wearing his doctor robes.
1
skibbin5 days ago
+1
Someone's getting their Global Entry revoked
1
dodadoler5 days ago
+3
Someone is getting excommunicated
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Cutsdeep-5 days ago
+4
someone is getting their pearly gates entry revoked
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Feuertotem5 days ago
+1
Popes have dealt with many insane people in power from start and are still here. Not supporting them, just stating a fact.
1
redditknees5 days ago
+1
None of us should. It’s time to pull the wool over and launch the b****** into the sun.
1
Bennely5 days ago
The Pope is meant to be the human embodiment of God on Earth. He has no fear of anything but God himself.
0
zetarn5 days ago
If current Pope decide to excommunicated Trump. It would be funny and a very rare excommunication since after ww1
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TheDWGM5 days ago
+5
He is not Catholic, he cannot be excommunicated. JD on the other hand...
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KlausSlade5 days ago
Now Napoleon on the other hand.
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commentman105 days ago
-1
Its the sensitive misheard bully situation.
"Hey lets have peace between us"
"Trump: what chu say about my momma?? Cash it outside how bout dat!"
-1
Debt1015 days ago
-1
he's a little old for Trump.
-1
problyurdad_5 days ago
-1
Trump is going to bomb the Vatican isn’t he
-1
PloppyTheSpaceship4 days ago
-1
Well yes. It'd be a step too far to fear the President because you think he'll take action on what he said about your opinions... wouldn't it?
-1
410LaxMD5 days ago
-2
Templar Knights gotta get to work.
-2
Avocadonot4 days ago
-2
He should.
-2
victorspoilz5 days ago
-32
Saying you’re not scared of someone always means you’re scared.
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