Removing harassing sublistnooks

I'm a bot, *bleep*, *bloop*. Someone has linked to this thread from another place on listnook: - [/r/316cats] [MAX ISN'T FAT, HE'S FLUFFY ... very very fluffy.](https://np.listnook.com/r/316cats/comments/39c1bc/max_isnt_fat_hes_fluffy_very_very_fluffy/) - [/r/adminhate] ["Removing harassing sublistnooks", the post that inspired this sub](https://np.listnook.com/r/adminhate/comments/39c5xz/removing_harassing_sublistnooks_the_post_that/) - [/r/againstfatpeople] [F****** Ham Admins](https://np.listnook.com/r/AgainstFatPeople/comments/39bu9g/fucking_ham_admins/) - [/r/againsthatesublistnooks] [Good news - Listnook admins remove a number of harassing hate sublistnooks, including /r/FatPeopleHate. Nothing of value was lost.](https://np.listnook.com/r/AgainstHateSublistnooks/comments/39bz4e/good_news_listnook_admins_remove_a_number_of/) - [/r/anarcho_capitalism] ["Removing harassing sublistnooks"](https://np.listnook.com/r/Anarcho_Capitalism/comments/39c01h/removing_harassing_sublistnooks/) - [/r/antipozi] [The Shoah is coming, it was fun shitposting with you guys.14/88](https://np.listnook.com/r/AntiPOZi/comments/39buf8/the_shoah_is_coming_it_was_fun_shitposting_with/) - [/r/apocalypsewatch] [/r/fatpeoplehate and several other communities banned. It is the end of the world.](https://np.listnook.com/r/ApocalypseWatch/comments/39c1mp/rfatpeoplehate_and_several_other_communities/) - [/r/bannination] [Advertisers don't like that shit.](https://np.listnook.com/r/bannination/comments/39bxa7/advertisers_dont_like_that_shit/) - [/r/brasil] [Administradores começam a banir subs em violação das novas regras anti-harassment do listnook.](https://np.listnook.com/r/brasil/comments/39c66v/administradores_começam_a_banir_subs_em_violação/) - [/r/cadenmorandiary] [Hey guys if you see this check out my sublistnook I'll even let you be a mod](https://np.listnook.com/r/CadenMoranDiary/comments/39c8bt/hey_guys_if_you_see_this_check_out_my_sublistnook/) - [/r/censorship] [Listnook increases censorship](https://np.listnook.com/r/censorship/comments/39btz4/listnook_increases_censorship/) - [/r/circlebroke] [We did it Listnook! /r/fatpeoplehate has been banned!](https://np.listnook.com/r/circlebroke/comments/39bs8p/we_did_it_listnook_rfatpeoplehate_has_been_banned/) - [/r/circlebroke2] [Listnook announces that it will be removing harrassing sublistnooks, including FPH](https://np.listnook.com/r/circlebroke2/comments/39bqe9/listnook_announces_that_it_will_be_removing/) - [/r/circlefuckers] [RETARDED CRIMINAL C*** PAO AND HE CUCK SQUAD ARE BANNING SUBS THAT HURT THEIR FATTY FEELINGS](https://np.listnook.com/r/CIRCLEFUCKERS/comments/39c9jd/retarded_criminal_cunt_pao_and_he_cuck_squad_are/) - [/r/coyotes] [When do we report r/hockey? \[META\] (kidding of course)](https://np.listnook.com/r/Coyotes/comments/39c8u3/when_do_we_report_rhockey_meta_kidding_of_course/) - [/r/cringeanarchy] [I guess we're gonna be next, goodby everybody! At least it was fun while it lasted.](https://np.listnook.com/r/CringeAnarchy/comments/39c4xq/i_guess_were_gonna_be_next_goodby_everybody_at/) - [/r/drama] [Admins just banned harrassment sublistnooks. FPH included.](https://np.listnook.com/r/Drama/comments/39bqoi/admins_just_banned_harrassment_sublistnooks_fph/) - [/r/ellenpaofanclub] [Thank you bb <3](https://np.listnook.com/r/ellenpaofanclub/comments/39c2t9/thank_you_bb_3/) - [/r/fatniggerhate] [/r/fatpeoplehate goes down](https://np.listnook.com/r/FatNiggerHate/comments/39c0v8/rfatpeoplehate_goes_down/) - [/r/fatpeoplehate2] [B T F O](https://np.listnook.com/r/fatpeoplehate2/comments/39bqpn/b_t_f_o/) - [/r/fatpeoplehatehate] [/r/fatpeoeplehate has been banned!](https://np.listnook.com/r/fatpeoplehatehate/comments/39brxi/rfatpeoeplehate_has_been_banned/) - [/r/fatpeopleloathing] [Obese admins get mad at the internet](https://np.listnook.com/r/FatPeopleLoathing/comments/39c71d/obese_admins_get_mad_at_the_internet/) - [/r/francelibre] [Removing harassing sublistnooks : announcements (pitaiiiin)](https://np.listnook.com/r/FranceLibre/comments/39c3yz/removing_harassing_sublistnooks_announcements/) - [/r/freespeech] [Listnook increases censorship](https://np.listnook.com/r/FreeSpeech/comments/39bw25/listnook_increases_censorship/) - [/r/freetalklive] [Listnook Liberty Threat Warning: Yellow Alert](https://np.listnook.com/r/freetalklive/comments/39c96z/listnook_liberty_threat_warning_yellow_alert/) - [/r/girlgamers] [One more step to a safer place: Listnook banning harassing sublistnooks.](https://np.listnook.com/r/GirlGamers/comments/39bvmb/one_more_step_to_a_safer_place_listnook_banning/) - [/r/gulag] [Majority of this thread for hatred and Freeze Peaches.](https://np.listnook.com/r/gulag/comments/39bt5n/majority_of_this_thread_for_hatred_and_freeze/) - [/r/ireland] [Harassing subs get banned, what's /r/Ireland s opinion?](https://np.listnook.com/r/ireland/comments/39cbzk/harassing_subs_get_banned_whats_rireland_s_opinion/) - [/r/jailu] [Les admins franchissent le Rubicon de la censure et bannissent, entre autres, /r/fatpeoplehate](https://np.listnook.com/r/jailu/comments/39bw13/les_admins_franchissent_le_rubicon_de_la_censure/) - [/r/lager] [Wer das liest kommt ins Lager!](https://np.listnook.com/r/Lager/comments/39c9d4/wer_das_liest_kommt_ins_lager/) - [/r/mensrights] [Will Men's Rights Be Next?](https://np.listnook.com/r/MensRights/comments/39bz7y/will_mens_rights_be_next/) - [/r/metacancersubdrama] [Chairman Pao is destroying Listnook today. So long FatPeopleHate.](https://np.listnook.com/r/MetaCancerSubDrama/comments/39bu24/chairman_pao_is_destroying_listnook_today_so_long/) - [/r/moviescirclejerk] [Announcement: the Nazi skeletons in charge of Listnook banned /r/melissamccarthyhate today](https://np.listnook.com/r/moviescirclejerk/comments/39c2id/announcement_the_nazi_skeletons_in_charge_of/) - [/r/neofag2] [Neofag Banned](https://np.listnook.com/r/Neofag2/comments/39bxj4/neofag_banned/) - [/r/opieandanthony] [Listnook starts new Great Purge of "harassing" sublistnooks. How long before this sublistnook gets the axe?](https://np.listnook.com/r/opieandanthony/comments/39bzcw/listnook_starts_new_great_purge_of_harassing/) - [/r/oppression] [The admins have begun to purge all offensive sublistnooks](https://np.listnook.com/r/Oppression/comments/39bvg2/the_admins_have_begun_to_purge_all_offensive/) - [/r/rapingmurderers] [ADMINS = FATMINS](https://np.listnook.com/r/rapingmurderers/comments/39ccr9/admins_fatmins/) - [/r/rapingmurderers] [JUST](https://np.listnook.com/r/rapingmurderers/comments/39cdml/just/) - [/r/realtech] [Removing harassing sublistnooks](https://np.listnook.com/r/realtech/comments/39cb86/removing_harassing_sublistnooks/) - [/r/listnookcensorship] [The Listnook Purge Begins: Removing harassing sublistnooks](https://np.listnook.com/r/ListnookCensorship/comments/39brww/the_listnook_purge_begins_removing_harassing/) - [/r/sammyclassicsonicfan] [Should we worry about this?](https://np.listnook.com/r/SammyClassicSonicFan/comments/39cbqj/should_we_worry_about_this/) - [/r/shitlordlounge] [Come to /r/ShitlordLounge! (Thanks TotesMessenger for the free advertising!)](https://np.listnook.com/r/ShitlordLounge/comments/39c65u/come_to_rshitlordlounge_thanks_totesmessenger_for/) - [/r/shitlistnooksays] [\[META\] The cabal scores a major victory as FatPeopleHate and other harassing subs are banned!](https://np.listnook.com/r/ShitListnookSays/comments/39bqyc/meta_the_cabal_scores_a_major_victory_as/) - [/r/short] [/r/fatpeoplehate has been banned from listnook. /r/coontown is still here. Does anyone still doubt me when I say that the Fat Acceptance Movement has gained an EXTREME amount of power, while heightism is celebrated in our culture? This is absurd.](https://np.listnook.com/r/short/comments/39cdop/rfatpeoplehate_has_been_banned_from_listnook/) - [/r/sublistnookcancer] [Cancer enters the terminal phase: admins announce the end of "harassing sublistnooks"](https://np.listnook.com/r/sublistnookcancer/comments/39br8x/cancer_enters_the_terminal_phase_admins_announce/) - [/r/sublistnookdrama] [5 sublistnooks, including /r/fatpeoplehate, have been banned for being "harassing". Ladies and gents, prepare to butter thine popcorn.](https://np.listnook.com/r/SublistnookDrama/comments/39c3gj/5_sublistnooks_including_rfatpeoplehate_have_been/) - [/r/technology] [Official Listnook Blog: Removing harassing sublistnooks](https://np.listnook.com/r/technology/comments/39cbix/official_listnook_blog_removing_harassing_sublistnooks/) - [/r/technology] [Listnook begins enforcing anti-harassment rules. Sublistnooks including the infamous r/fatpeoplehate have been banned](https://np.listnook.com/r/technology/comments/39c81f/listnook_begins_enforcing_antiharassment_rules/) - [/r/technology] [Removing harassing sublistnooks](https://np.listnook.com/r/technology/comments/39cao3/removing_harassing_sublistnooks/) - [/r/thepopcornstand] [The admins are now banning harassing sublistnooks. The butter shall flow.](https://np.listnook.com/r/ThePopcornStand/comments/39byg5/the_admins_are_now_banning_harassing_sublistnooks/) - [/r/twistedfaggotry] [I wonder if I can get free karma](https://np.listnook.com/r/TwistedFaggotry/comments/39c8oc/i_wonder_if_i_can_get_free_karma/) - [/r/twistedfaggotry] [I wonder if people will like my shitposting sub](https://np.listnook.com/r/TwistedFaggotry/comments/39c7vx/i_wonder_if_people_will_like_my_shitposting_sub/) - [/r/worstof] [Chairman Pao begins the purge of sublistnooks against harassment, doesn't delete /r/coontown](https://np.listnook.com/r/worstof/comments/39c3h8/chairman_pao_begins_the_purge_of_sublistnooks/) [](#footer)*^(If you follow any of the above links, please respect the rules of listnook and don't vote in the other threads.) ^\([Info](/r/TotesMessenger/wiki/) ^/ ^[Contact](/message/compose/?to=\/r\/TotesMessenger))* [](#bot)

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Woah. /r/fatpeoplehate (FPH) was actually banned. This seems like a crazy knee-jerk reaction. While FPH may have been relatively circlejerky and superficially vicious, it was a sublistnook where people would go expressly to vent. Very rarely would personal information be included or anyone targeted and when that *does* happen, generally the mods were fantastic at shooing off the post. (as a side note: the mods on FPH were some of the most active and fair mods that I had seen in a sublistnook that large). FPH certainly seems far too vicious at first glance, but their bark is far, far worse than their bite. Larger sublistnooks, I'll use /r/atheism as an example, have had far more targeted threads and nobody really bats an eye at that. At first glance, the [top thread](http://www.listnook.com/r/atheism/comments/39aj93/christian_heterosexual_couple_threatens_to/) in /r/atheism is about a couple, who are named and pictured in the linked article, threatening to divorce if gay marriage is passed. This is a direct, identifying piece of information. Yet, nobody's calling witchhunting, though when someone inevidently does, it's generally defended because "/r/athesim is a place where atheists can vent about the religious they run into every day." FPH, which rarely ever posted personal information, should not be considered more harassing than specific subs which are borderline controversial. /r/funny isn't accused of harassing when there's a joke about Kayne West or Kim Kardashian; /r/pcmasterrace isn't considered harassment towards console gamers; and /r/ShitListnookSays literally targets users' comments in an attempt to brigade them. So why is FPH so specifically vilified? **TLDR: /r/fatpeoplehate is not the the only or worst harassers on the internet or even Listnook. This targeting does not seem justified.**

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This is a horrible and not very well though out idea, here's why. Use /r/fatpeoplehate as example. Room full of people, door is locked, door says "Room to discuss distaste for obese people". Obviously nobody who is obese would enter that room, right? Everyone in this room loves to rail and make fun of fat people. This is good, because everyone who is fat on the outside of the room can't hear or see what they're doing. You guys over at listnook HQ say "hm, maybe we shouldn't keep all those people in the same room, talking about negative things". You say "ok!" and unlock the door and tell everyone "sorry you can't hang out in this room anymore, but you can go to any of the other rooms" People from /r/fatpeoplehate room proceed to harass and project distaste for obese people in other rooms and in an uncontrolled manner since there is no place to talk about this without repercussion. In the end nobody is happy. My point is, people have opinions that will offend others, but we can control the chaos by letting these people discuss those offensive opinions in a controlled environment. Edit: Okay, the door isn't "locked". I get the hatred spread even with the sublistnook open. But I do not think removing the sublistnook will solve anything. This goes for all the banned sublistnooks, not just FPH Thx for gold

oh cool, you just banned /r/fatpersonhate too! i thought you were all up on that horse claiming to ban for "behavior" and NOT "ideas." /r/fatpersonhate is SO NEW that there's no way for any "behavior" to even qualify as bannable offense. you banned it because it carries the same IDEA as /r/fatpeoplehate. please take the lies and shove it up a fold. or two. [directly from ellen pao:](http://www.listnook.com/r/announcements/comments/39bpam/removing_harassing_sublistnooks/cs21aj4) > We're banning behavior, not ideas coming from the woman who [frivolously sued her previous workplace for an obscene amount of compensation](http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/03/30/thankyouellenpao-only-if-you-like-bullying-vexatious-opportunists/), citing unfair treatment and gender discrimination...[then later was exposed to be a complete bully](http://www.therecorder.com/id=1202720356299/Internal-Kleiner-Emails-Show-Pao-at-Her-Worst?slreturn=20150229152652). oh, and for those who don't know yet, she also happens to be married to [this guy](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddy_Fletcher#Litigation). apparently, it's perfectly fine for her to defraud, harass and bully. she seems to be making a living off of it. **hypocrite.** #RIPaaronswartz

I was a subscriber to FPH. Say what you want about me, but here's the deal: * Unlike SRS's wink-nudge, totally insincere "no-brigade" policy, FPH's was legit. It's rules included a prohibition on linking to other parts of listnook (and such posts were automatically removed); including any personal information including person, username, or sublistnook names in posts; and banning known brigaders. It regularly removed posts that broke any of these rules, and the mods routinely put up reminders not to brigade. It kept to itself. * This decision is not only arbitrary but unfounded. FPH blatantly **did not do the things it is being accused of** (harassment) while subs that actively and openly do those things remain. This leaves me and--looking through the comments--much of the rest of the community feeling as if you've just slapped us in the face with capricious censorship with blatantly insincere justifications, when the real agenda was political in nature. * And speaking of the real agenda, since it **was** political, what about all the other distasteful subs that not only harass but represent far more odious subject matter than FPH? Good job, mods: you've opened that door. Conclusion: **this is bullshit and you know it**.

As a fat person who absolutely detests /r/fatpeoplehate to the core. This is bullshit. I've rarely seen them mentioned out in the wild so to speak and they kept it in their sublistnook. The way I avoided being targeted by their sublistnook was I stayed the f*** out if which is the whole point of the unsubscribe button. To NOT see things I don't want to see. This is nothing more than just systematic reduction on edgy sublistnooks yet again. What i'm shocked about is that it wasn't because of bad media attention like jailbait, creepshots, and thefappening. I hate that sublistnook but I stayed the f*** out of it. THat's the POINT of Listnook. What's funny more is that creepshots is STILL back and NOTHING has been done to them to take it down because, you don't f****** care. Plain and simple, you don't f****** care. I was upset when you took down jailbait and creepshots though I didn't go into them. The fappening I never went into but I didn't like that being taken down either. Now this? Keep on Listnook admins. Keep on keeping on because You can ask Digg and Co. what happens when you push a userbase too far. Meanwhile /r/shitlistnooksays keeps chugging along despite openly FLOUNTING* the rules of vote briggading. They bite their thumbs at you sir. Yet you continue to let it go on. Why? Edit* Fixed typo. Thanks /u/rocketman0739!

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You're doing the **exact same** thing you do every time there's bad press. Deal with it at the last possible moment (like /r/jailbait) once there's bad press forcing you to do so. Then you play it off like some moral revelation and use free speech as the reason why it doesn't set a precedent. It is **identical** to what always happens. [Here is the blog post] (http://www.listnook.com/r/blog/comments/pmj7f/a_necessary_change_in_policy/) from when you banned /r/jailbait. Note the exact same thing. "We've decided that it's time for a change" that happens to coincide with [Anderson Cooper doing a story about it on CNN](http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Controversial_Listnook_communities). To be clear, I understand why you're doing it. I understand that a lot of companies do the same which is **totally fine**. Just don't then make a blog post about how wonderful free speech is. If the blog post said "We actually wanted to keep allowing them but got too many notices from lawyers for that to work so we had to ban them" that would be fineby me. The doublepseak and hypocrisy is what's annoying me. You can't take the moral highground on this when you've let /r/photoplunder stay open for however long it has. This is just what happens when your stance is that anything goes. If you allow sublistnooks devoted to sex with dogs, **of course** people will be outraged when you take down pictures of naked celebrities. It would be impossible for that to not seem capricious. If you allow sublistnooks like /r/niggers, **of course** they're going to be assholes who gang up to brigade. The fine users of /r/jailbait are sharing kiddy p***? What a **shocking** revelation. The point is, you can't let the inmates run the asylum and then get shocked when someone smears shit on the wall. Stand up for standards for a change. Actually make a stance for what you want listnook to be. You'll piss off some people but who cares? They're the shitty people you don't want anyway. Instead you're just alienating the good users who are sick of all of the shit on the walls.

This was an **incredibly bad business decision** for the following reason: When you were *not* banning any sublistnooks, you could make the legal claim that you were an open, public forum, and that you were not liable for the user generated content on the site. Now, you've taken the step of actively censoring content. **Therefore it can argued that ANY significant sublistnook that you haven't banned is operating with your knowledge, approval, and cooperation**. So you shut down a sublistnook that hates on fat people, but you left up the overtly racist sublistnooks that made national headlines several months ago? Mashable, Gawker, Salon, Dailykos, The Independent, etc... are all major publications that over a span of months have called out listnook for allowing racist sublistnooks to thrive. Their arguments were all moot until today. This policy would have been a huge legal misstep even if handled appropriately. But this sloppy execution makes the responsible administrators look embarrassingly ignorant or incompetent at *best*, and overtly racist at worst.

Wait...you did all this to keep me "safe?" Like....dude...the existence of things that I don't like but never am exposed to anyway doesn't really put in jeopardy in any definition of the word. As in, my life or feelings aren't in danger just because /r/nignogsomethingorother exists. So you've removed a sub to keep me "safe" - ignoring the fact that examples of this kind of stuff exists everywhere else on the internet, and the existence of the content either on listnook or elsewhere that's not listnook has no bearing on whether or not I'm exposed to it. Guess what? I don't really care to read about hatred for fat people. My solution to that is to not go out and find it. It could exist for a thousand years and I'd really just never know. Is my safety really in question if there are words that exist somewhere that I don't know about? The funny thing is, you're probably the same exact person that says, "Don't like gay marriage? DON'T GET ONE THEN!!" Which I agree with. But now you're all turning around and banning words. You're literally banning WORDS. Think about that. When in reality, your response SHOULD be, "Don't like those words? DON'T READ THEM THEN!!" You know, because you said the same thing about gay marriage and stuff like that and it's important to you know...uhh....NOT be a f****** hypocrite, right? You're also the same people that probably say things like "can you believe The Catcher in the Rye used to be BANNED in schools? Censorship blows, amirite?" when banning things left and right that just so happen to hurt your feelings. Aaron Swartz's blood is on all of your hands. You completely destroyed in a short matter of time the best thing that ever happened to the internet. Congratulations. EDIT: I also want to let you guys know that you've done the opposite of making the world a safer place. I don't like racism or hatred of people over their physical nature, but the people that DO like those things had a forum where they could express their opinions with like minded individuals without hurting anyone else outside of their sublistnook. Now, they're going to spill out into other sublistnooks and spread their harsh opinions in places that people actually don't want them - and you're all going to b**** about how hateful listnook has become, and you're going to have more fires to put out, and it's going to spiral out of control. You royally fucked it. I can not put an adequate quantifier on how badly you all fucked up. And the sad thing is, it's one thing when ONE person has a bad idea, because I'd expect the people around them to correct them and set them on the right path. BUT YOU ALL AGREED TO THIS SHIT. You're all literally so f****** stupid that NOT A SINGLE ONE OF YOU had a moment of pause to think about all of the obvious reasons that this was a bad idea. I'd call you all retarded, but that's an insult to the retarded. EDIT 2: and where's the proof? I've got a few sub's I'm told were banned due to harassment. Usually when shit goes down online, someone has screencaps at least. I've seen none. And other sub's are left open cause they haven't harassed anyone yet. No proof so far. More to the point: harassment is already punishable by the justice system. Why does listnook think it needs to go above and beyond? Say you've got users legit harassing people - okay, call the f****** cops then. You know, the people we actually pay to take care of that shit?

There is a zero percent chance you will ban /r/ShitListnookSays and they are infamous for vote brigading, nasty PMs and various other forms of harassment, up to and including getting people fired from their jobs for perceived transgressions against various minorities. F*** this policy. I was not a huge fan of fatpeoplehate, but I had never heard a single thing about them extending their reach outside of their own sublistnook to harass people What does "safe space" even mean? Please define that term so the community can have a real discussion about it instead of using it as a bullshit vague coverall for anything that hurts peoples feelings. Does it mean that if somebody accidentally clicks on a "mean" sublistnook their fee fees are so triggered that they must remain on the page and suffer?

>Yishan Wong, the site's former CEO, has stated that "We stand for free speech. This means we are not going to ban distasteful sublistnooks. We will not ban legal content even if we find it odious or if we personally condemn it." What the f***? This goes against what Listnook is about. If you start banning sublistnooks that you 'hate', then it will start being corporate and eventually corporations will say that they are being harassed and will be able to take down sublistnooks and ban users. What's next, are we gonna get banned for saying Ellen Pao is a bad CEO for going against her words? We may as well take a one way ticket to North Korea. This is the worst move Listnook has done, I'm terribly disappointed. As much as I resent people for having so much hate, this is a major impediment of free speech.

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As a gay man who also has quite a bit of extra weight, I am quite disgusted to hear that /u/ekjp, /u/5days, and /u/kn0thing have decided that their feelings about me matter more than mine about me. I am told that these people have decided what does and does not hurt me. You are all wrong. I'll tell you what hurts me: Not being able to marry hurts me. Not being able to live a life hurts me. Having a higher incidence of homelessness, abuse, and death due to sociocultural factors hurt me. My own struggle with food hurts me. Internet harsh words do not hurt me. Mockery does not hurt me. Rich, privileged bigoted people who think they have the right to decide what hurts me...hurts me. It takes away my voice and my right to speak. It removes challenges from me that help to teach me how to cope with them. It forces me into their idea of safe. That is what hurts me. You know what will make me safe, Jessica, Ellen, and Alexis? Not having you decide what makes me unsafe. I can decide that for myself, thank you. And r/fatpeoplehate doesn't hurt me. They've said nothing that hasn't been said by many others, probably you three included, before as you look in disgust at a fat person. I'm more than sure all three of you have looked at a gay person and had a thought you wouldn't have with a straight person, too. After all, you've decided we NEED you to protect us. We can't do it without you saving us, right? I don't need you to save me. I'm plenty capable of handling myself, thank you. I don't need the privileged protecting me. I've been doing it for a lifetime. I can keep doing it on my own without your savior complex, thanks.

"Front page of the internet" campaigning against internet censorship while simultaneously banning sublistnooks that offend you. SHAME ON YOU. If you find a sublistnook offensive, don't go on it. I didn't like the sublistnook, but that's no reason to ban it. Thought about buying gold/turning off adblock to support listnook but no more. I vote with my $$ and listnook does not get my vote. Honestly, f*** you mods EDIT: And don't buy me f****** gold and make sure to turn on adblock. I can only hope that the number of people turning on adblock because of this post loses listnook more money than the gold I got today. Good riddance

Don't hide behind that we want people to feel safe and have authentic conversations PR c***. Taking down a sub because some fatties feelings got hurt. I used to be fat and it took friends shooting straight with me and not accepting the HAES c***. All HAES does is encourage to slowly kill themselves instead of being responsible. Then they pass that to their kids and slowly kill their kids instead of giving them the best shot at a healthy life. Now I get harassed at my new job for being too thin and so small I must have a eating disorder. /r/fatpeoplehate was my safe place from all the PC, HAES, FatAcceptance bullshit. So if this is the road you wanna go down then step up and start cutting sublistnooks that promote r***, murder, racism, etc. /r/AdolfHitler /r/AdviceApes /r/AmericanJewishPower /r/AntiPOZi /r/ApeWrangling /r/Apefrica /r/Apewrangling /r/Awwschwitz /r/BlackCrime /r/BlackFathers /r/BlackHusbands /r/Blackplague /r/BritishJewishPower /r/Chicongo /r/ChimpMusic /r/Chimpire /r/ChimpireMETA /r/ChimpireOfftopic /r/Chimpmusic /r/Chimpout /r/Coontown /r/DarkEnlightenment /r/Detoilet /r/DictGifs /r/Didntdonuffins /r/Eugenics /r/Falseracism /r/Farright /r/Fascist /r/Ferguson /r/FunnyNiggers /r/Funnyniggers /r/Gasthekikes /r/Gibsmedat /r/GoEbola /r/GoldenDawn /r/GreatAbos /r/GreatApes /r/HBD /r/Holocaust /r/JewishSupremacism /r/JustBlackGirlThings /r/KKK /r/Killwhitey /r/Muhdick /r/N1GGERS /r/N1ggers /r/NationalSocialism /r/Nationalism /r/NegroFree /r/New_right /r/NiggerCartoons /r/NiggerDocumentaries /r/NiggerDrama /r/NiggerFacts /r/NiggerHistoryMonth /r/NiggerMythology /r/NiggerVideos /r/Niggerhistorymonth /r/Niggerlovers /r/NiggersGIFs /r/NiggersNews /r/NiggersPics /r/NiggersStories /r/NiggersTIL /r/Niggerspics /r/Niggersstories /r/Niggervideos /r/Niglets /r/NorthwestFront /r/Polistan /r/Race_Realism /r/Race_reality /r/Racism_immigration /r/RacistNiggers /r/SHHHHHEEEEEEEEIIIITT /r/Sheboonz /r/ShitNiggersSay /r/Starvin_marvins /r/TNB /r/Teenapers /r/TheProjects /r/TheRacistRedPill /r/Third_position /r/TrayvonMartin /r/USBlackCulture /r/WTFNiggers /r/WatchNiggersDie /r/WhiteIdentity /r/WhiteNationalism /r/WhiteRights /r/WhiteRightsUK /r/White_Pride /r/Whitebeauty /r/Whiterights /r/WhitesWinFights /r/WorldStarHP /r/ZOG /r/ZionistScum /r/SexWithDogs /r/sexwithhorses /r/CandidFashionPolice /r/GreatApes /r/killallfuckinjews /r/necroporn /r/RapingWomen /r/wincest /r/CuteFemaleCorpses /r/SexyAbortions /r/beatingwomen2 /r/Upskirt /r/downblouse

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Where can we find the five banned sublistnooks? Can you just tell us here what they are, and link to where the updated page will be? **edit** In case it gets buried, [here is the other four sublistnooks](https://np.listnook.com/r/announcements/comments/39bpam/removing_harassing_sublistnooks/cs20w2f) in addition to r/ fatpeoplehate. I won't direct link to them, nor name them. This link contains their identities. Thank you, mods, for your immediate transparency. **edit 2** Listnook manager /u/ekjp had [this to say](https://np.listnook.com/r/announcements/comments/39bpam/removing_harassing_sublistnooks/cs21aj4) about the decision in regards to other offensive sublistnooks: > *"We're banning behavior, not ideas. While we don't agree with the content of the sublistnook, we don't have reports of it harassing individuals."* **edit 3** Listnook co-founder [Alexis Ohanian](/u/kn0thing) has [this to say](https://np.listnook.com/r/announcements/comments/39bpam/removing_harassing_sublistnooks/cs23fzr) about the matter: > ###"Steve and I did not create listnook to be a platform for communities to target + harass individuals. It's really that simple."###

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Banning subs for their views? Shadow banning people that speak out about it, or speak about Ellen? Shadow banning mods that weren't even on? Regardless of views on the subs banned, it's pretty sad that you would ban them because you dislike their views. Aaron would be so disappointed in how Listnook turned out.. and he spoke out so many times about censorship and how it just ruins everything, and is dangerous. You guys really should be ashamed. I really don't know what to say to all of you mods, but for Ellen. Ellen /u/ekjp , I don't really know if you were the actual say in this or not.. but it's clear that a lot of problems didn't even start to happen until you came around. Now I don't know if this is coincidence or not, but from what I've read it really doesn't seem to be a coincidence. The majority of people want you to resign, including me. Listnook was made with the intention of being a pure free speech site.. it's been said multiple times, by the co founders, and the admins. A lot of issues even before this, banning subs, shadowbanning people because of things you, and the admins didn't like hearing is just sad, and then this is even bigger, regardless on mine or anyones views on those subs, we all agree they shouldn't be censored. It's really sad that since you have joined, Listnook is becoming this. Maybe it's for money and somehow you think that's the way to go.. but I'll tell you now.. Digg tried doing that, Myspace, and many others.. and you don't hear about them much anymore, unless its in passing jokes. And don't think "this is the only place they can go to look at stuff" No there is many, many others.. that will allow us to not be censored.. and they are actually good too. Voat.co (getting better servers), Funnyjunk is okay, 4chan is always there, 8ch is there, and tons more. So I hope either you change your ways of doing stuff, or resign for the sake of Listnook before it completely falls. Now for the other part of my opinion. At the end of the day, you guys own the site.. so if you want to ban subs and make new rules that's fine. But you need to make guidelines on what is "safe" and what isn't safe, and what is considered harassment and what isn't. And you also need to enforce these rules on everyone, not just 5 subs. You took down FPH, and neofag (I think it was), and 3 others (don't know what they are), because they aren't "Safe" and for harassment.. but what about the others that are up.. that are borderline illegal, actually illegal in some states, could cause harm, and some subs that actually do harass people ALOT. There is subs that show Loli(Anime Child P**********), Bestiality (Which is illegal in some states), Dead children, Corpses, Corpse f****** (all three of these last ones, I consider to be harassing the families of these dead children and people.. but who am I to say what harassing is and isn't online), Extreme sexism (to both men and women), Extreme racism (Talking about hanging people and how they say people at work they wish they could burn), abuse towards women and men, talking about drugs and were to find them.. and tons more. Actually here is a list of just a few that were posted at the bottom. Maybe I'll make it a note tonight to find all the subs that I think are far worse then what you banned and post them, but for right now this will do. * /r/CuteFemaleCorpses * /r/sexyabortions * /r/watchpeopledie * /r/Deformed * /r/rapingwomen * /r/killingwomen (fantasy) * /r/beatingwomen2 * /r/picsofdeadkids * /r/ladybonersgonegory * /r/HurtingAnimals * /r/BurningKids * /r/HurtKids * /r/killingboys new! * /r/shitlistnooksays Now no. Even though I do not agree with any of these sublistnooks, not even close.. a matter a fact they f****** disgust me.. I do not believe they should be censored either. However if you are going to make a rule against other sublistnooks for not being "safe" or harassing, then I think you need to enforce the rules to every sublistnook that does it. Hell I've even saw some stuff on /r/pics & /r/funny that some people would find offensive. So are you going to be more clear on the rules, and are any of these subs going to be banned also? Also why is there not a team or you guys responding to any of the questions that people are asking? Do you think so highly of yourselves that what we say don't matter, your customer base? Don't you think we deserve a response? Not all of us our FPH, or trolls, some of us are legit worried about the state and censorship of listnook, and deserve answers. If it wasn't for us, your site and you guys would be nothing.. have you forgot that? And to make matters worse, instead of responding to any of anyones questions, you basically tell us to "f*** off" when [here](http://www.listnook.com/user/ekjp) ellen responded to one person who agreed with this, but ignored about 25,000 others who didn't. Has it really come to you only listening to what people say when they agree with you? I've been using listnook for so long. I loved this place. It was a fun place, with thousands and thousands of communities. You could find anything, and post anything without worrying of censorship. I knew Listnook had been making a few mistakes here and there the past couple years, and maybe going down hill a bit.. but I never thought of this huge of censorship happening to be honest. I've read tons of stories, met tons of great people, I've had three main accounts of these past 6 years, I've gilded and gotten gilded, I've supported you guys by always turning adblock off, I've defending you to everyone I know, in real life and online, saying "listnook is the best". Sadly however, until this is at the very least properly addressed, and more people get the answers they deserve, I will have to stop using Listnook. It goes against my core values, that people have the right to free speech, and should never be censored unless it is actually illegal in the country they are living in. I will be returning to 4chan or some other site. IF I do have to come back on here, I will not turn adblock off, and I will not be buying gold or joining any more gift exchanges (Done so on my other main account multiple times). This will be my last night on Listnook, and sadly it will be spent, posting on non hate subs ofc, but posting about how Listnook has really failed us, and talking on posts with other people and their views. Then I will be done. This is a sad sad day. And all I can say I guess, is I wish you all the best, and hope the censoring stops, and Listnook goes back to how it use to be.. which I doubt it will but one can hope I guess.. Also an answer to this would be greatly appreciated, or an answer to any of the people asking questions /u/5days /u/kn0thing

> If a sublistnook has been banned for harassment, you will see that in the ban notice. When I go to /r/fatpeoplehate I do not see this. All I see is: > **this sublistnook has been banned** > most likely this was done automatically by our spam filtering program. the program is still learning, and may even have some bugs, so if you feel the ban was a mistake, please submit a link to our request a sublistnook listing and be sure to include the exact name of the sublistnook. EDIT: It's already been changed. It now says. > **this sublistnook has been banned** > This sublistnook has been banned for violating the listnook rules [to keep everyone safe](https://www.listnook.com/help/useragreement#section_your_participation_on_listnook) Which reads like the general news we see all the time where everyone responds "Because terrorists"

/r/BeatingTrannies, /r/RapingWomen, /r/PhilosophyOfRape, /r/StruggleFucking, /r/AbusePorn2, /r/AntiPOZi, /r/SlutJustice, /r/CoonTown, /r/CuteFemaleCorpses, /r/SexWithDogs, /r/SexWithHorses, /r/CandidFashionPolice, /r/GreatApes, /r/NecroPorn, /r/DeepThroatTears, /r/Painal, All of these sublistnooks exist at this very moment, and you ban fph "for our safety". Hilarious. Edit: I am in no way in favor of banning these, or any, sublistnooks. I am just surprised that FPH was the one to get the axe. It was the only resistance to the fat acceptance movement, and now it's gone.

I've been a listnookor a long time and this is the most disappointing thing I've ever seen them do. It will hurt them more than help* them, I believe. Also, censorship is a slippery slope, but everyone already knows that. The biggest disappointment to me is how the authorities of listnook display a complete lack of faith in *people* in general by this kind of decision. Do they really think they were promoting hate groups by allowing sublistnooks that engage in "hate" speech? I'd argue it's far easier to say, mold someone into being a racist Nazi skinhead, on some forum solely dedicated to that, rather than listnook, where people are exposed by proxy of being on here, to other voices. Voices of reason. Not sure I'm wording my point well, but hope you get where I'm going with it. This probably sounds all dopey, but I have witnessed other long-time listnookors mature over time, becoming more empathetic to others, more understanding of current events and more engaged in positive ways in their own real-life communities. Myself included. I think without the social resource that listnook is(was), I'd be less of these things than I am today. Visiting, even contributing, to "hate" subs, actually opened my mind, more than closed it. Anyway, uber-mods of listnook. You're doing yourself and the public a disservice. *stupid fingers typing faster than brain

I have left listnook for [Voat](https://voat.co/) due to years of admin mismanagement and preferential treatment for certain sublistnooks and users holding certain political and ideological views. The situation has gotten especially worse since the appointment of Ellen Pao as CEO, culminating in the seemingly unjustified firings of several valuable employees. As an act of protest, I have chosen to redact all the comments I've ever made on listnook, overwriting them with this message. If you would like to do the same, install [TamperMonkey](https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/tampermonkey/dhdgffkkebhmkfjojejmpbldmpobfkfo) for Chrome, [GreaseMonkey](https://addons.mozilla.org/en-us/firefox/addon/greasemonkey/) for Firefox, [NinjaKit](https://github.com/os0x/NinjaKit) for Safari, [Violent Monkey](https://addons.opera.com/en/extensions/details/violent-monkey/) for Opera, or [AdGuard](http://adguard.com/) for Internet Explorer (in Advanced Mode), then add [this GreaseMonkey script](https://greasyfork.org/en/scripts/10905-listnook-overwrite-extended). Finally, click on your username at the top right corner of listnook, click on comments, and click on the new OVERWRITE button at the top of the page. You may need to scroll down to multiple comment pages if you have commented a lot. After doing all of the above, you are welcome to join me on [Voat](https://voat.co/)!

Literally one of the first rules of fatpeoplehate is "no linking to other sublistnooks." That sub keeps to its own and discourages and actively prevents brigading and any hint of attacking those from outside that sub. What stays in FPH stays in FPH. Total bullshit. But by all means lets keep the subs that are sexist, racist, downright disgusting and disturbing, ignorant, and so on. Nice job shitting the bed, admins. Edit: if a child does something wrong, do you punish the child or the parents? Its not FPH's fault that some of its people went rogue and decided to do things outside the guidelines.

Go f*** yourself Pao. I've never seen a sub with a mod team more deeply dedicated to containing content to within the sub, preventing brigading and removing identifying information. SRS pays it lip service, served up with a side dish of *tee hee we put that rule on the sidebar so we're covered*. Ban SRS and coontown or your action today is seen as exactly what it is: f*** all to do with harassment and pandering to a specific group. I ain't holdin' my breath. **Edit:** please don't gild me again. These fuckers at Listnook don't deserve one more f****** red cent. Take that cash and give it to a homeless person, a charity, or someone in need, k? :)

FYI, this is now the ~~11~~ ~~12~~ ~~7~~ ~~4~~ ~~5~~ ~~13~~ ~~20~~ ~~9~~ ~~7~~ ~~4~~ ~~6~~ ~~20~~ ~~9~~ ~~4~~ ~~12~~ ~~7th~~ ~~most~~ ~~9~~ 11th most controversial post of all time (according to Listnook's algorithm). Edit: God damn, just pick a spot and stay there Edit 2: Am sleeping now, will update in the morning. Edit 3: I am awake now, will update (Continuously, until it appears to stabilize)

As much as I dislike the content in FPH, I dislike censorship MUCH more. FPH was supposedly banned for violating the listnook rule of "Keeping everyone safe." That rule says, "You agree to not intentionally jeopardize the health and safety of others or yourself." You're going to need to explain exactly how they were violating that rule, because I saw none of it happening. The people who were discussed are jeopardizing their own health and safety. This is censorship plain and simple.

What happend to [this?](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Controversial_Listnook_communities#Free_speech_rationale) "Listnook's general manager Erik Martin noted that 'having to stomach occasional troll listnooks like /r/picsofdeadkids or morally questionable listnooks like /r/jailbait are part of the price of free speech on a site like this,' and that it is not Listnook's place to censor its users"

It was just a matter of time, wasn't it? I can't say I liked any of the 5 banned subs, but seems like freedom of expression shouldn't be banned. What's next? /r/news gets banned for pointing out how the CEO is blackmailing her old company to pay for her husband's ponzi scheme debts? edit: Please don't buy gold. In fact, no one should buy gold until Pao is gone. https://www.change.org/p/ellen-k-pao-step-down-as-ceo-of-listnook-inc

/u/5days , /u/ekjp , /u/kn0thing I have some questions regarding the specifics of this change to community management. * What is the review process for claims of harassment at the moderator level and at the admin level? * Are moderators considered part of the community of the sublistnook they moderate? * As used in this post what is the definition of the term "individuals"? * What is the definition of the term "platform" as used in this post and how does that impact the application of bans? * Why does the term harassment, or its definition, not appear in the rules of listnook? * What is the process for reviewing claims of harassment made against moderators? * Immediately before defining harassment the 05/14/2015 blog post states "Because of this, we are changing our practices to prohibit attacks and harassment of individuals through listnook with the goal of preventing them". Where can I review the full text of these practices? (They are not provided in the rules or the values) * In [What about other hateful sublistnooks?](https://www.listnook.com/r/announcements/comments/39bpam/removing_harassing_sublistnooks/cs23hqk?context=3) /u/Sporkicide claims the "main difference between the sublistnooks that were banned and those that are being mentioned in the comments - they might be hateful or distasteful, but were not actively engaging in organized harassment...". However according to listnooks definition of harassment /u/Sporkicide 's statement must be false as harassing actions can be either systematic or continued. Why then were sublistnooks such as /r/SRS not banned? edit: * How does the passage of time impact the enforcement of bans? Are the constraints limited to the age of the harassing content or on the claim of being harassed? * Can bans be issued without a user claiming that they have been harassed? i.e. User A harasses User B. User B states that they feel unsafe to communicate on listnook but does not make a formal claim of harassment. Can User C, a moderator, or any other individual file a formal claim of harassment? * If the behavior of the moderators in a case such as [this](https://www.listnook.com/r/conspiracy/comments/373rr2/this_week_i_was_banned_from_400_sublistnooks_in_a/) are deemed to be harassing, do all of the sublistnooks from which the user was banned themselves become banned as they were used as platforms to facilitate the systematic harassment of the user?

This is really a troubling step IMO. The fact that only one of the banned sublistnooks was named, and the statement referring to adding people to "manage community issues", I am getting the signal that listnook is going to become much more restrictive in the future. I agree that direct targeting of individuals is not something that listnook should facilitate, but I get the impression that the listnook admins are going to become more and more "hands on" in terms of censorship. I'm afraid that the open internet I grew up with is not going to survive the coming decade. Perhaps I'm just being overly sensitive. I hope so.

It's funny how big of a deal a lot of people are making this. This isn't government censorship. It is Listnook's right (and any company's right) to control content within its own system. It's *their* right to free speech. If you really care so much about having uselessly offensive conversations in twisted forums on the internet, why do you care that it must happen on listnook? There are other websites. It seems to me that the ideal situation for racist trolls is to be able to have their fucked up sublistnooks and conversations exist within an overall normal community that acts as a contrast and a reaction. These people see more fun in it. They already have 4chan, IRC, etc to talk about and share pictures of dead fetuses or make fun of black people, yet somehow they MUST reside in a community that wants to have serious conversations just so they can look special. Hey, I'm totally ok with those sublistnooks existing here, but the fact they they react to this judgement call by calling it flat out censorship AND that they're so butthurt they have to leave listnook to do what they do makes them look totally immature and clueless. See the bigger picture you idiots. I also want to touch on this whole offending other people thing. A lot of people here and elsewhere on the internet don't understand what it's like to be a more feeling-type human. You make fun of people and things with no caution as if you don't understand that not everyone thinks like you (with lack of emotion). Many people slip into actual depression as a result of long-term emotional bullying. To those VERY SMART!11!! listnookors out there: respect the fact that other people have stronger feelings and that if you were to feel what they felt even for a week, you'd regret a lot of what you've said for the rest of your life. You really have no idea. Listnook getting rid of these sublistnooks isn't censorship or violation of free speech. You still have the right to express yourselves however you want (4chan is that way -->), and companies have the right to decide what you do with their shit that they created themselves with their own money. This website is Listnook's shit, not yours, not the publics.

I'm a fat guy and disagree with you closing the sublistnook. While I hate those assholes ( in a sorta brotherly way), they have actually inspired me to do better about managing my weight and stopping the excuses I make for eating so much. Sure they make fun of fat people (hell, im fat and I do) but damnit if it isnt their right to. This is America! We are AmeriCANS not AmeriCANTS! While the sublistnook might disturb and upset people it's no different then seeing /r/wtf /r/goingtohellforthis , and thousands more on Listnook. Seriously, if you think "fatpeoplehate" is so bad go look at all the other disgusting shit on here. Whoever this women is running this company is driving it right into the ground. YES YOU ARE A WOMEN AND YES YOU ARE DRIVING IT INTO THE GROUND! Ohhhh...but see ...you're the type of women to SUE because of racial discrimination and gender discrimination. You have effectively weaseled your way into a high paying position and are killing ... well the only i can think of is DIGG 2.0 - r.i.p. listnook. The asian (don't make it racist, shes asian and a lady) lady has sent this wonderful site into a massive downward spiral. RIP FREEDOM OF SPEECH Edit: Hypocrisy as well!

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Ha. There's that trap again. Once you decide to ban certain types of speech/forums for being "offensive," you suddenly become arbiter of what IS and what IS NOT offensive, which even lawyers, judges, and professional academics have historically found impossible to do. And now you will have to justify why some sublistnooks stay open, forever, or begin shutting a bunch down, or just ignore the whole thing and look hypocritical as a result. This is why freedom of speech is so important. EVERYTHING is offensive to SOMEONE. The only solution is to never disallow any discourse and (potentially) offend everyone equally. Note that the above does not apply to hate speech and or threats of violence, but there are very clear and specific legal definitions that the discourse must fulfill to be classified as such. As for me, I'm really offended by any sublistnook that talks about celebrities. I hate celebrity with a passion and think it is a blight upon American consciousness. Can we talk about banning /r/celebrities?

Congrats Overlord Pao, your actions just advertised a sublistnook to your entire user base that they may not have been aware of AND you've hydra'd the hell out of it... what did you think would happen? FPH could have stayed its own little corner of Listnook... now r/ALL is effectively FPH... I, for one, welcome our Fat People Hating overlords...

What's funny is to me, the phrase "We’re banning behavior, not ideas." the exact opposite of what they did. If you want to ban behavior, don't ban the sublistnook, ban the user. While I find the subject matter of these banned sublistnooks to be abhorrent & disgusting, I don't feel they should be banned. Ban users who abuse the site and harass or threaten others. Your listnook username is tied to an email address so the person couldn't sign up again with the same email address. Sure, lots of people have 2 or more emails, but it would slow down the process.

"Ultimately, we hope to have less involvement, but right now, we know we need to do better and to do more." Sounds a little too much like Communist Russia for my taste, and I like the idea of communism. Its just the whole 'people are selfish pricks and like to abuse power thing' that I have a problem with. You start picking and choosing who gets to be silenced you start a very dangerous precedence. If Listnook continues down this path of censorship, it will cease to be Listnook in my mind. The number one reason I joined this site was to expose myself to thoughts, ideas, orientations, experiences that were completely inaccessible to me in my everyday life. To help myself overcome the limits of my own experience. Even if these ideas, etc. may be insulting, shocking or upsetting to me they teach me about the world around me. Example: As a woman and a feminist, I am repulsed by the philosophies and opinions expressed by the posters at r/TheRedPill however, I respect their right to express those philosophies and opinions, just as I expect others to allow and respect my right to express my own opinions and philosophies. Hearing these ideas allows me to better understand the systems and ways of thinking that I want to bring light to and improve. Shielding myself from them will not change the fact that they exist and will not make the world a better place. If Listnook continues down this path I will simply find another site to replace it. TLDR: F*** YOU LISTNOOK OVERLORDS. I FART IN YOUR GENERAL DIRECTION. (Also, a bit stoned writing this sorry for the grammar potatoes.)

Clearly this is going to end well: http://www.listnook.com/r/fatpeoplehate2 http://www.listnook.com/r/fatpersonhate This is like the RIAA and MPAA trying to shut down t****** sites. Not going to happen. This new CEO is a clueless idiot and just opened Pandora's Box. I don't necessarily agree with the content, but these aren't default sublistnooks. If you don't like it, don't go there. This sends a horrible precedent that will clearly backfire without massive intervention.

I predict listnook will just end up like any newsfeed websites, filled with news, cool videos, cute gifs and "funny" memes. This is the beginning of the end of a cool website I just discovered a year ago (I wish I discovered it a earlier before it goes down like this). What made me instantly in love with listnook was the fact that it enabled people to speak freely and loudly what they wouldn't speak in public, because in public it would have been called rude and offensive. Applying censorship will just force you to speak politically correct like in public, removing all the spice listnook brought to the internet (i know, there is 4chan, but men, 4chan is too much, I'm not going there). Bear with me, because listnook will be soon filled only with your usual family friendly Facebook and YouTube contents, that's where the boredom will start. Then followed by tumblr feminist posts, that's where the value of listnook (its then known advocacy for free speech) will be thrown into the mud. It won't advocate for freedom anymore, it will advocate for political correctness, like most boring websites. If anybody knows a good substitute for the actual listnook I used to love for the short period of time I've been here, please answer.

To whom may care (including /u/5days, /u/ekjp and /u/kn0thing & other admins), I guess that most of you probably won't care,.. and if I substantially reduce/remove my participation in Listnook, you may never notice,.. but I wanted to say what I feel I need to say anyways. I consider myself part of the "silent majority". I'm fairly typical, average, quiet and non-confrontational on Listnook. I've spent the better part of 6years attempting to contribute good things to Listnook. I help people where I can. I've enjoyed my stay here,.. but I no longer feel like it's a platform worth contributing to. I never browsed any of the offensive sub-listnooks listed. I quite honestly never even knew places like /r/fatepeoplehate even existed. (I had no involvement whatsoever in any of them). However,.. the variety of Admin-behavior patterns over the past few years,.. has been more and more deeply strange and concerning to me. There's seemingly very little consistency. Groups like SRS and other SJW's seem to run rampant (doxxing, brigading, harassing).. and nothing is done about them. Yet other sub-listnooks (who've done far less).. get banned. (yet more blatantly offensive sub-listnooks go largely untouched and vibrant with activity). I'm not saying that in any way to support bad behavior,.. but the lack of consistency seems (to me) to be deeply unbalanced and unfair. There appears (at least to me) -- to be something deeply and fundamentally wrong at the core of Listnook. It doesn't seem to be a "platform for the people" any more. I know that you probably don't care if the Haters/Harassers leave and go somewhere else. But I think you SHOULD care when common, average, sensible Members start leaving. That's happening,.. and it should be ringing extremely loud alarm bells in your head(s). Writing this really kinda makes me sad. I really liked Listnook. Of all the different web-sites and forums I've participated in over the past 20years or so,.. Listnook seemed to be the most expansive and flexible and modern. I thought maybe it was a place robust enough that it wouldn't fall victim to the same types of collapse I've seen other forums fall into. I guess I was wrong. And that sucks. Given what I've seen,.. I no longer have any faith that the Leadership/Admins of Listnook have the vision, willingness or ability to "right the ship" and make better decisions. It almost seems like you've completely lost touch (and lost understanding) of your audience or how Listnook evolves. So.. I'll be taking my activity and contributions somewhere else. I may check back on occasion to see if you've pulled it together,.. but honestly, I'm not holding my breath on that one.

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FPH mod here. > we do protect the right of people to express their views and encourage actual conversations according to the rules of listnook. Let's see those rules, shall we? > Don't spam. Spam is removed. > Don't ask for votes or engage in vote manipulation. Nope. > Don't post personal information. Our rule #1 forbids personal info, and every submission is checked. > No child p********** or sexually suggestive content featuring minors. Any content in which the subject is under 18 is removed. > Don't break the site or do anything that interferes with normal use of the site. Nope. The CSS let all of the functions intact. So what is our crime? Making some fatty cry? Not provide the coddling that everyone else in society provides? Well I can lie too. The listnook administration is a completely transparent team that cares for nothing but the free expression in the community. Let's get down to brass tacks here. FPH recently hit 150,000 subscribers. It had at least 100k unique daily visitors and 1 million daily pageviews, making it into the top 10 most active sublistnooks. Those are views you're never going to get again. You might ban FPH, but the users will still exist. We've made it clear that there are many people with the FPH attitude, and that we're active and will be haunting listnook till it finally dies under the weight of its own censorship. F*** this shit, I'm going to [Voat](http://voat.co/v/fatpeoplehate).

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Interesting quote from the post "[Every Man Is Responsible For His Own Soul](http://www.listnookblog.com/2014/09/every-man-is-responsible-for-his-own.html)" on the official blog less than a year ago: >The philosophy behind this stems from the idea that each individual is responsible for his or her moral actions. >We uphold the ideal of free speech on listnook as much as possible not because we are legally bound to, but because we believe that you - the user - has the right to choose between right and wrong, good and evil, and that it is your responsibility to do so. When you know something is right, you should choose to do it. But as much as possible, we will not force you to do it. >**You choose what to post. You choose what to read. You choose what kind of sublistnook to create and what kind of rules you will enforce.** We will try not to interfere - not because we don’t care, but because we care that you make your choices between right and wrong. >Virtuous behavior is only virtuous if it is not arrived at by compulsion. **This is a central idea of the community we are trying to create.** Guess they changed their mind.

As someone who has been active on fph since it had less than 10k subscribers, this has been coming for a long time. We've had a target on our backs for ages, which we were well aware of. WHICH IS WHY the mods of that sub were so tight on preventing rule breaking. Brigading was expressly forbidden, even linking to other parts of listnook was strictly proscribed. Only images which were *already publically avaliable on the internet* were allowed to be posted there (aside from personal text conversations/exchanges). There was a new stickied thread every month or so warning people to be careful and not f*** around, and even though we didn't do meta, one of the meta conversations that happened on a regular basis was over how a large portion of listnook (by quantity or mass) was actively seeking to get fph banned. Anyone accusing fph of brigading is a liar, or using a definition of brigading so extreme that every single top 500 sublistnook is guilty of it. The hilarious thing is even though they've been waiting for fph to f*** up and do something to get banned, after more than a year they couldn't nail us with any bannable offences. So they simply changed the rules.

[How is SRS, a sublistnook found to be the most toxic sublistnook by an outside source still here?](http://venturebeat.com/2015/03/20/listnook-study-shitlistnooksays-is-sites-most-toxic-thread-theredpill-is-most-bigoted/) SRS routinely brigades people, and harasses users and yet here it is. Still around.

List of sublistnooks on the chopping block: /r/fatpeoplehate, /r/hamplanethatred, /r/transfags, /r/neofag, /r/shitniggerssay What about /r/coontown though? It's just straight up racism on /new all day long. edit: i don't really care about any of this i just wanted easy upvotes and so reposted the list and the most upvoted comment 4mins after announcement. pce homie

Listnook is burning down, and [I'm just here like](http://media.giphy.com/media/GjYjLvGErsggg/giphy.gif). >While we do not always agree with the content and views expressed on the site, we do protect the right of people to express their views and encourage actual conversations according to the [rules of listnook](https://www.listnook.com/rules/). While I'm against the banned sublistnooks, they shouldn't be banned. They literally haven't broken any of the 5 rules. It's not like they're hate leaks outside of the sublistnook itself, and if it does, it's usually downvoted back into hell. Yall are cray cray.

The following Sublistnooks are ok, but /r/fatpeoplehate crosses the line? /r/watchpeopledie /r/SexWithDogs /r/sexwithhorses /r/CandidFashionPolice /r/GreatApes /r/killallfuckinjews /r/necroporn /r/RapingWomen /r/wincest /r/CuteFemaleCorpses /r/SexyAbortions /r/beatingwomen2 /r/Upskirt /r/downblouse Those are ok to you Jessica (/u/5days), Ellen (/u/ekjp), Alexis (/u/kn0thing), but /r/fatpeoplehate is wrong? That's not right.

I have left listnook for [Voat](https://voat.co/) due to years of admin mismanagement and preferential treatment for certain sublistnooks and users holding certain political and ideological views. The situation has gotten especially worse since the appointment of Ellen Pao as CEO, culminating in the seemingly unjustified firings of several valuable employees. As an act of protest, I have chosen to redact all the comments I've ever made on listnook, overwriting them with this message. If you would like to do the same, install [TamperMonkey](https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/tampermonkey/dhdgffkkebhmkfjojejmpbldmpobfkfo) for Chrome, [GreaseMonkey](https://addons.mozilla.org/en-us/firefox/addon/greasemonkey/) for Firefox, [NinjaKit](https://github.com/os0x/NinjaKit) for Safari, [Violent Monkey](https://addons.opera.com/en/extensions/details/violent-monkey/) for Opera, or [AdGuard](http://adguard.com/) for Internet Explorer (in Advanced Mode), then add [this GreaseMonkey script](https://greasyfork.org/en/scripts/10905-listnook-overwrite-extended). Finally, click on your username at the top right corner of listnook, click on comments, and click on the new OVERWRITE button at the top of the page. You may need to scroll down to multiple comment pages if you have commented a lot. After doing all of the above, you are welcome to join me on [Voat](https://voat.co/)!

/u/ekjp - if the Listnook community raises the money you need to pay your husbands' legal settlements resulting from his fraudulent financial activities, will you resign and leave us alone? Edit: I did actually go to college and take at least one English/writing class. Edit 2: I'm leaving it, messing up 'took' in this context makes me laugh.

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Yuck. What a gross policy. I guess just hop on the sanitized bullshit train everyone else does. That move puts you one step closer to Digg. Hope you have an office party before it is too late after you've tripped off this slippery slope. Why would you need to remove sub-listnooks? If fat people get upset about people making fun of fat people, they should just not visit something like fatpeoplehate which I've never seen, nor do I care about. I get it if the site is being used for illegal things, of course that should be banned. But to start banning based on ideas? That's just pussification censorship. It's no wonder all of the people's names I see in the list are female, because no guy is going to be all "Ewww, we don't like this, let's ban it."

/r/ShitListnookSays has brigaded and harassed sublistnooks for as long as it's existed. Its slogan is Bring Listnook Down, for f***'s sake. Why haven't you banned it yet? Edit: Jesus F****** Christ, how retarded do you have to be to give money to man-hating f****** listnook to express your appreciation to me.

Wouldn't the best route to go being that these offensive subs just be removed from showing up in /r/all ? That's the only place I ever ran into /r/fatpeoplehate and while I don't necessarily think it was the nicest sublistnook out there, it's probably way far from the worst. Back when /r/jailbait was removed, there wasn't too many people disagreeing with that for good reason.. I wouldn't want my 14 year old niece's facebook pics from the beach being posted for people to use to get off to (I don't have a niece but that's the sentiment I'd feel if I did)... but that sublistnook was basically borderlining illegal and raised warranted concern about kind of website Listnook was evolving into. However, the sublistnook's being banned today were opinionated. I can't speak for what the modding was like on those subs but so long as witch hunting and personal information wasn't being spread... why can't they exist for those who subscribe to them? Maybe the issue is this was happening in these places and the mods let it happen.. at that point I don't blame the admins for their removal. Someone else already pointed this out but by saying "these ones are bad and therefore banned" you are also saying "these ones are acceptable and will therefore stay." which is much worse than the former statement, because there's still some even worse sublistnooks than these five banned today out there. I think there should be sublistnook suspensions instead of removals. A kick in the ass to the mods saying 'while we don't agree with your message and hate, the fact that this sublistnook is being specifically used to hunt people down and harass them is wrong and we're shutting you down for a week, month, whatever until changes are made." I don't know.. seems like a tricky subject the longer I keep typing. Good thing I'm in my shoes and not yours!

Excuse me? This is all bullshit and arbitrary. From what I saw /r/fatpeoplehate never harassed any individual as a community. Sure, they would take pictures from FB and make fun of individuals, but how is that any different than /r/iamverysmart or any other sub involving laughing at the stupidity of others? As long as all the info is blocked out I thought we were allowed to have opinions. Not to mention /r/shitlistnooksays or /r/coontown are still up as of this posting. /u/5days /u/ekjp and /u/kn0thing need to answer these questions and explain the hypocrisy. There needs to be enough harassment going on in these subs that it's impossible to block individual users. I'm sorry, but I didn't see that happening with /r/fatpeoplehate and if you guys don't explain yourself I'm f****** done with the ever increasing bullshit from the admins on this site.

Voat.co just got blown up. How long after Listnook's announcement did the voat servers get destroyed? Their IT people must have been like, "WTF just happened? What did Listnook do now?"

This is a hole with no bottom. Admins will now be fielding non-stop requests from person "x" because sub "y" offended them somehow and they will try to spin it as harassment. Example: every person ITT asking what about this or that sub.

Gentlemen... /r/fatpeoplehate has been deleted. We shitlords mourn the loss of such a long-lived sublistnook. However, simply because one medium has been deleted does not mean that we will go away, oh no. You have only proven to us that Listnook is no longer the paragon of free speech that it used to be. While other sublistnooks such as r/gore and r/watchpeopledie continue to flourish like weeds, other sublistnooks that by comparison are less vitriolic and simply more opinionated were wiped out to spare the precious fee-fees of SJWs and hams on Listnook. Moderators of Listnook (Yes, I am addressing you on the of chance that you're reading this comment), you are showing us a rather twisted sense of morality. As stated earlier, you didn't delete sublistnooks that are far more deserving of it. In the end, you have simply triggered^teehee a mass migration to Voat and other websites that will not encroach on rights such a free speech and freedom of the press. We will miss the glory days of Listnook. Farewell to all of you, S.G.

Ok here's my two cents, it will doubtless get lost in the void but I think there's a grain of truth in it. The reason r/fatpeoplehate got banned wasn't because of doxxing or brigading. It was because it had too many subscribers. Here me out, the 150'000 subscribers of r/fatpeoplehate all shared an inside joke, when they saw posts on other subs that reminded them of r/FPH posts they replied with the same catchphrases they would use in thier sub. Such as 'found the fatty' or whatever. This happens a shit load on listnook, people from r/thathappened will frequently respond to outrageous claims in other subs with phrases such as 'and that man's name...' or 'and then everyone stood up and slow clapped them out'. Then when another r/thathappened user sees the post they will continue the thread with more catchphrases from that sub. Is this to be considered harassment? It's not as though it's planned, it's not as though the post was re - linked and brigaded. The problem with r/FPH was that it had 150'000 users individually and without direction repeatedly posting the same meme responses in subs other than r/FPH. But aren't these glorious examples of undirected collective working the very things which make listnook great? The hive mind in action. The creation, dissemination and evolving of memes should be a pure and unrestricted process, the internet is an ecosystem, and like nature it is brutal and wild and beautiful. The strong ideas survive, the weak ones fall into oblivion. It seems to me that this banning is an attempt to demarcate listnook, to put up barriers to prevent ideas and memes spreading around haphazardly, this is the internet equivalent if fencing the great plains. It's encouraging tribalism. Woe betide any sub that allows its subscribers to infect another sub with alien memes and ideas. Stay in your safe zones, do not fraternise with the outsiders. Stat in your echo chamber where dissent will not be heard. I hope that I'm wrong, and I'm definitely not exaggerating, but it feels like a battle for the very nature of listnook, and by extension the whole internet, and the entire human race is underway! DON'T FENCE ME IN, I AM A FREE RANGE LISTNOOKOR! I WILL SAY STUPID SHIT IN ANY SUB I WANT! I WILL MAKE YOU HEAR MY AWFUL OPINIONS AND POORLY THOUGHT OUT ARGUMENTS! I AM LISTNOOK!!!! HEAR ME RAMBLE INCOHERENTLY!!!!!

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How do these not violate "Keep Everyone Safe: You agree to not intentionally jeopardize the health and safety of others or yourself." and "Do Not Incite Harm: You agree not to encourage harm against people?" * /r/gasthekikes * /r/beatingwomen2 * /r/rapingwomen * /r/coontown (and the rest of the chimpire) * /r/PissBeUponHim * /r/WhitesWinFights * /r/sexyabortions * /r/cutefemalecorpses * /r/hurtinganimals * /r/punchingkids * /r/burningkids * ~~/r/Islam~~ - not sure why /r/beatingwomen2 links to this, but I'm guessing it's because bw2 is racist? edit: see note on /r/islam edit 2: more subs

you know what is f****** pathetic about this. if you had a smokerhate sublistnook, no one would care. It's ok to hate smokers. But are there smoker acceptance people trying to say "health at every cigarette"? NO! There is no difference between obesity and smoking. Both are horrible for you. Yet only one is ok to "shame"? Pathetic.

This isn't an attempt to stop harrasment, this is Listnook admins paving the way for censoring anything they deem worthy. This is bullshit, the point of having an avenue for conversation is that you can see the view of all sides of an argument. But now one side of the argument is subject to being completely silenced.

> Today we are removing five sublistnooks that break our listnook rules based on their harassment of individuals. Translation: *We are removing sublistnooks that harm advertising interests. This is why these subs seem arbitrarily chosen.*

LOL, so, in other words, Tess Munster complained and threatened to shut your site down or blah blah blah, and instead of standing by the value of open and versatile expressions of varying, OPPOSING ideas, you ban FPH. Like I said before, ahhhhh, the end of listnook as we know it. Welcome to Tumblr2.0 FPH does the same as sooooo many other subs, and as soooo many other people. But instead of just, ya know, closing the f****** webpage, the people who fit the criteria of fat feel like anyone who disagrees is....what, harassing them? No, I just don't agree with your lifestyle choice. Anyway, this is all beyond stupid, and I refuse to believe this is anything but Tess's doing, as she 'threatened to shut it down'. 3 weeks later, this. "We protect the rights of people" aka "We protect the rights of people who intimidate us". I'd cuss you out for being so backwards with your 'values', but nowadays Im worried that any post that isnt 100% happy f****** rainbows will get me banned. Pffft.

Was fatpeoplehate invading other places, or was it contained? It seems as though /r/greatapes still exists. What made fatpeoplehate considered harassing vs. greatapes? What is the qualification for being considered harassing? I hope for more transparency on this.

After SRS, the blind eye to zealous feminist subs that harass and threaten and brigade, the CEO bullshit, the fucked up sublistnooks you have dedicated to extreme violence and violation of rights, and just sub after sub where the rules are "Don't disagree with us or you get banned", you think you're getting cool points for taking down a sub about fat people? A sub that even fat people told you you shouldn't have taken down? What the hell are you, Listnook? I would list the subs but holy f***, people beat me to it. Half the subs I didn't even know were a f****** thing. It's like all you have to do is type in something horrible and there's people dedicated to it but oh no, fat hate! That's trending! Now let's pretend we're on a righteous campaign while we let everyone else harass and brigade.

>Keep Everyone Safe: You agree to not intentionally jeopardize the health and safety of others or yourself. >Do Not Incite Harm: You agree not to encourage harm against people. I guess you need to ban /r/smokerslounge because they serve as a place for smokers to talk about how they harm themselves. Unless you think smokers are not intentionally jeopardizing their own health? Might as well ban /r/drugs too. Or are they not jeopardizing their own health? Good luck enforcing these terribly worded guidelines without revealing your biases every step of the way.

Lol. You had to sticky this thread because it got downvoted below the threshold. No one will ever see this announcement on the default front page or /r/all. Yo /u/kn0thing, do you really know nothing about how this site works?

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Harassement... Yeah. Right. So this is how free speech dies... with thunderous applause. You ban one of the more frequently brigaded sublistnooks (FPH), while continuing to CENSOR listnook because of your inane - yes thats a word, look it up, I did *not* mean insane - obsession with "political correctness", all the while hiding behind a shield of bullshit. Pretty much every scientific study out there says that you SJW's are plain wrong, and the vast majority - forgive my use of weasel words, it's late and I can't think of a better way to express myself atm - of studies suggest that almost all your closely held opinions are BULLSHIT, but you continue to pull shit like this. I can't wait for the moment when some basic common sense comes back to the people in charge, and they kick you to the curb.

This seems kind of silly. By all means, ban any users who are harassing, shut down any specific posts that are encouraging doxxing, brigading, or whatever. But if they want to b**** about overweight people in their walled off area, who cares?

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Look, they've removed this announcement post from the front page now, so there's less of a backlash! Listnook's batting 1000 today! Edit: correction - I thought announcements were stickied posts for at least a day, but I could be mistaken. All I know was out went from the top post of my front page to not there in a few hours.

This is going to get buried but you asked for feedback... I hate /r/fatpeoplehate. In fact, I hate a lot of subs. I don't visit or subscribe to these subs. PROBLEM SOLVED. A sublistnook getting banned for harassment is just ridiculous. A sub doesn't harass. People harass. That is why there are options for Listnookors to use if they feel they are being harassed. They can report, ignore, or just choose to stop responding. It's mentioned all over Listnook that people should think twice before offering any personal information. That is because the general population of Listnook should remain anonymous for the safety of users and so they can communicate freely without fear. If someone is getting harassed "off-line," it has nothing to do with Listnook at that point and the authorities need to get involved. Why would you think this is a good idea? If you ban one sub for this reason, you're going to have to start banning a huge amount of other subs. And that's how Listnook dies.

One professor I had once said that in order to truly know someone, you just have to give that person power. So yeah, Listnook banned /r/fatpeoplehate. I mean, before the action I had in mind that listnook was really on the fence in how to state how people should behave. I mean, I understand the pressure that the community of people that wanted the sub down were strong, and that you were scared by the tons of request you probably received. But now if I think about it, why is that one group favored over another? Just because they pressured you? Why is that these subrredits still exist?: * /r/CuteFemaleCorpses * /r/HurtingAnimals * /r/HurtKids (and all the others) I don't think that these contents do not also violate the same "rules" **you** created and **you** used to benefit your interests from it. But they're still around, for everyone to see. And you just don't ban them because there's not a group pressuring you to look for their benefits. I'm sorry listnook, but you don't seem to care about people's best behavior. You are just a weak group of people that is scared by everyone that screams at you. When you bend yourself to someone, your principles bend with it.

To the people who talk about how much users from fatpeople hate went to other subs: Yes, this has happened. But it will happen with any sub, you're always going to have users from all kinda of sublistnooks go on different sublistnooks and they are not always that nice, this is natural and not something unique to FPH. But here's the kicker: **the fact that there were more people from FPH than from any other sublistnook going to other sublistnooks is mostly your own fault.** Why you ask? Well because when you keep making threads and comments about how much you hate FPH, yeah, you are going to attract those people to those threads and comment sections. Threads about how much someone hates FPH turned up on the front page on regular basis, while you rarely saw threads named something like "I hate so f****** much!" Shitlords did not turn up at those subs and threads at random guys, if you're going to talk about them or if you're going to talk negatively about any group for that matter, be prepared to deal with them. And don't b**** and whine about shitlords getting everywhere when you were the person attracting those people into those places. If you're going to talk shit about someone, that person is going to say something back. If you can't handle it or simply don't like it, don't talk shit about them. And most definitely, if you say horrible things about people because you disagree with them for whatever reason, don't act like the victim when they say something back. If you publicly call someone a soulless insecure a****** or whatever you think about the people from FPH, you are not above those people in any way.

This will obviously be buried, but if this continues, this will be how Listnook dies. Many of us were around to see Digg die in a similar way, they directly sold out to advertisers and we all came here. We came here because it was a platform for free speech. It's only a matter of time until a new platform for free speech arises and the exodus will begin.

What an easily predicted reaction. You built a community based on decentralized control, inclusiveness, and freedom of expression. The community self-policed, with reasonable effectiveness, and you endorsed such. Changes were announced, and the community allowed to weigh in. The community was convinced they mattered, that this theirs and they had a say. Then you centralize power, and summary decisions of censorship and moral justness of voluntarily encountering speech on line. You have just taken a watery, bloody shit on the thesis of the purpose of listnook. Your community has rejected your leadership with eminently more deontological authority than you can hope to possibly muster.

It's OK to shame people and show the negative effects of drug addiction, alcohol addiction, gambling addiction, gaming addiction, painkiller addiction... But food addiction? That's somehow worse than making fun of people's skin color and propagating racist stereotypes! /r/coontown gets to stay, but you can't be negative about people ruining their health and harming others (especially their poor children)!

This is getting ridiculous. I think a lot of people (myself included) joined Listnook because it seemed like there was an open forum to talk about literally anything and everything. Now, it seems like Listnook has been turned into a website that is less about voicing your thoughts and opinions, to reinforcing a social justice hivemind, and making the website turn a higher profit. Obviously, I understand that Listnook is a business and that they are free to do whatever they want with their website, but I think this is the start of something bad for Listnook. I think the listnook admins are better off letting the mods of the different sublistnooks determine what is appropriate for the website, and what is not. I think that by constantly banning sublistnooks that are "offensive" or inappropriate, you're reinforcing the idea that the people who are in charge of Listnook, have a direct say in what gets posted to the website, when that isn't the case at all. As listnookors, we know this, but to anyone who views Listnook from the outside, they don't understand how the community works. Hell, I didn't understand how Listnook worked when I was first introduced. And I thought that the idea of having a sublistnook dedicated to horses f****** cars, or the Brony f*****, was really fucked up and weird. But then I realized that Listnook is sort of a mainstream platform for everyone to share their thoughts, opinions, and even fetishes. At first I thought that some of this stuff should be censored, but at the same time, I liked to believe that I was an advocate for free speech. It didn't take me long to realize that you can't really agree with free speech while at the same time saying some censorship is good. I think this is a step in the wrong direction for Listnook. I think these sublistnooks aren't banned because of "harassment", I think they have been banned for making the website look bad in the public eye.

Why would you ban /r/fatpeoplehate and not the rest of the harassing sublistnooks? And /r/fatpeoplehate isn't even harassment, it's just making fun of what disgusting pigs we have in our society. It's exactly like /r/tumblr posting pictures of people making fools of themself, but instead they are fat. Honestly f****** retarded. Back to 4chan or some shit, cause listnook pretty much sucks now. So much for a "pure site". "Pure site" till you do something that pisses the feminist fattys off over at listnook headquarters. OH and letting gore, dead children, dead animals, racist shit, and sexist shit to women and men is okay.. but not the little fattys? There fee fees hurt that much? LOL stupid listnook Edit: voat.co < IF you are part of /r/fatpeoplehate head over there. It's where we are all going from now on. Lots of people are over going on there all at one time so it's a bit slow, be patient!

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>We’re banning behavior, not ideas. **BULLSH*T** **When you want to ban "behavior", you ban individual bad actors citing specific examples of that behavior.** Google's definition of "harassment": >aggressive pressure or intimidation. People creating a secluded corner of the internet to talk about random people without going anywhere near them is not "harassment" /r/fatpeoplehate has nothing to do with "harassment", unless you are completely redefining the word to suit your political ends. The reason subs like /r/fatpeoplehate were banned was because they were diametrically opposed to ludicrous SJW canards like "fat acceptance".

SJW took over listnook and turn it into digg in one day wow. Perhaps that button really was the countdown to the downfall of Listnook. Abusing the censoring and ban hammers is the worst thing you could do. Fire the woman, and fix the shitstorm before it's too late. Way to go Pao show some more femnazi skills.

Slowly but surely listnook is turning into a SJW haven with the increasing censorship. >but right now, we know we need to do better and to do more. Firing Ellen Pao would be a great start.

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And by only sub with more than 5000 members they mean one that hit 151,000 yesterday. But yeah someone getting upset about something they can change about themselves is much more important to sensor than obvious and blatant Racism and White Supremacy, well done mods... well done

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So /r/BeatingCripples - /r/sexyabortions - /r/StruggleFucking continue to exist but a sub that mocks fat people is crossing the line? Right. Edit: Yes yes, /r/StruggleFucking is just r*** fantasy, try /r/RapingWomen if you want real disgust. Jesus.

All the listnook admins must be celebrating with an extra 500000000 kcal snack before todays dinner party for banning the worst possible sublistnook in the world Now we just need to wait for one of the admins to get crippled before all the crippled people hate subs get banned, or better yet ban any funny / comedic sub, even shitty /r/funny when one of the admins or the CEO gets depressed, since it will no longer align with your 'vision' smh Keep 'em coming Listnook, killing this site one admin decision at a time ;)

It's not that I support any of the banned sublistnooks, but banning them with that justification isn't cool, especially since outwardly they didn't appear to be doxxing anyone. Censorship, man. I thought there'd be more time before it really hit listnook.

I dunno how I feel about this. On one hand, I thought /r/fatpeoplehate was a pretty terrible sublistnook. Just a bunch of people being giant dickheads to people they don't know, and those people are usually just being. I also don't care for /r/cringe, /r/cringepics, etc - those are also people being giant dickheads, usually laughing at people's own unaware awkwardness. But some sublistnooks get into a murky area: at first /r/creepypms seems like it fits in - they're taking screencaptures of direct messages and sharing them with the world, at face value that's a d*** move. But /r/creepypms operates as this semi-support group, and I want to say people have learned how to better deal with creepy stalkers because of it. /r/thathappened is another grey area. It's mostly screenshots of people telling lies on Facebook and tumblr. People are taking those posts, removing the context, and presenting them to a different audience for humor. Is that harassment? I'm honestly asking, I don't really know. I understand listnook wants to attract a certain audience, and /r/fatpeoplehate was a terrible, mean sublistnook. But I always figured, if I don't like a sublistnook I just don't need to subscribe to it or participate, there's plenty of other sublistnooks with quality people making quality content.

Why can't you just be honest about this? You are banning ideas (albeit crude, unpalatable ones) and this *is* censorship. Forget the facade of free speech and admit your bigotry; most of the common user base seems fine with it anyways and will not leave over this. Take my word that moves like this devalue the site as a whole and this *is* a mistake. The internet has taken on the role of a bastion for free speech, and you're actively destroying that. It's as bad as net neutrality opponents. If you ever decide to fix this mistake, get rid of the CEO while you're at it. Irresponsibility starts at the top.

First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a Socialist. Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a Trade Unionist. Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a Jew. Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

>Please keep the feedback coming Why should we, you clearly have your own agenda and don't care about all the feedback you're being given so far.

Not happy with you, listnook... /r/fatpeoplehate was pretty vile at times, but it was representative of a large chunk of this community and it's removal is creating a false environment here. We're all pretending to have freedom of speech and freedom of censorship but the reality is that we've only got that freedom if listnook sees fit to let us have it. We spin this place like it's a democracy, voting up and down as we feel posts and comments deserve, but big brother listnook is feeding us only what big brother listnook wants us to be fed and that makes a lie of the democracy we pretend to have here. Moderation, not censorship.

Listnook. You need to stop talking out of your bored kowtowing asses and quit claiming that any of these recent community management decisions aren't ultimately about anything other than money and your companies own interests. People in SRS brag about doxxing and harassing individuals and getting somebody fired from their job and the sublistnook STILL isn't gone yet. But some stupid sublistnook where a bunch of losers hate on fat people that I had no idea existed until today does first? What were they even doing other than hating on fat people in general? Because I'm pretty sure doxxing and harassing individual people in witch hunts instigated by a sublistnooks users should be something listnook should put a lot of time and effort into fixing first rather than quickly banning some sublistnook where they hate fat people in general and they seemingly mostly keep to themselves. Claiming that there hasn't been a problem in terms of harassment from SRS like has been done in the comments by various listnook employees is straight insanity. The whole sublistnook is built around shaming other listnookors that for whatever reason you don't like because of what they said or did. That's f****** harassment as a running platform. Why did the fat hate sublistnook get banned first? One of the only differences I can find between it and SRS is that one sublistnook is far more likely to bring instant bad press and gut instinct backlash and is just more obviously and pointlessly mean. I've observed listnook over and over again weaseling it's way out of, or ignoring straightforward questions worse than a politician lately. Give me a good reason why SRS isn't banned yet listnook and why these ones are? And don't try to say you see relatively less harassment coming out of SRS than other sublistnooks or try to justify it in some way that tries to defocus off of the point of SRS. Which is to shame, and therefore harass individual listnookors. It doesn't matter how often they do it, or how serious they are about it, or anything. A sublistnook designed to enable harassment of individuals is against the rules. What justifies SRS listnook? Why haven't you fixed this yet?

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The problem with this logic of banning people from saying stupid shit you don't want to hear, is that everyone falls in line and says what you do want to hear. And then you're all just worshipping Dear Leader together. Having a truly free dialog, and letting anyone say pretty much anything no matter how egregious, is a great way to differentiate the total f****** assholes from the rest of society.

Can r/Announcements be next? I hear that they harass the rest of listnook by claiming the rest of listnook scares minorities away, thus damaging Listnook's image. Oh if it's banned can we also ban the whole admin team and Ellen for using their flaky definition of harassment to harass other sublistnooks? ListnookRevolt FireRises If we burn Ellen, you burn with us.

First they came for /r/fatpeoplehate, and I didn't speak out because I don't hate the obese. Then they came for /r/coontown, and I didn't speak out because I am not a white supremacist. Then they came for /r/trashy, and I didn't speak out because, really? Seriously? Who want's to look at rednecks and ghettos. Then they came for /r/tumblrinaction, /r/cringe, /r/cringepics and /r/justneckbeardthings and there was no one left to speak for me.

So this is how listnook died... At least I'll have a story to tell my kids! Censorship does NOTHING but make your jobs 100,000 times harder. You're fighting a hydra Listnook... Hope you realize how stupid your CEO and Admins are behaving.

ITT: Ellen Pao tries to justify selective banishment of sublistnooks without releasing criteria on why sublistnooks are being banned. It does not go well.

> Today we are removing five sublistnooks that break our listnook rules based on their harassment of individuals. Doesn't that mean you have to ban r/shitlistnooksays ?

I don't like this. If you don't go to those subs, you wouldn't even know those people are being "harassed", including the very people they're "harassing." That's not harassment. If the individual isn't even affected and would literally never know if they didn't come to listnook, if it's completely ignorable by simply not going on one part of a website, it's not harassment. And to be clear, I think /r/fatpeoplehate is deplorable, but that doesn't mean I think it needs to be shut down.

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I don't like this. I used to think it was up to the sublistnook's moderators to decide what was allowed on their corner of the internet. To me, listnook was always a 'clique aggregator', a way for me to move between groups of like minded people without the fear of rejection/social anxiety of real life. Listnook let me know that I wasn't alone. I'm not saying /r/fatpeoplehate and the other subs weren't bad, in fact I'm not saying anything at about them at all, and I wish Listnook could do the same. I wish Listnook could be a sublistnook hub, and not interfere with sublistnooks, apart from legal requirements. Nobody uses the RSS protocol because they like the aggregator itself (apart from when choosing an aggregator), they use it because they like the content that they choose to follow. Listnook is a part of my life because of the sublistnooks. I subscribe to the ones I like, and I ignore the ones I don't. Seeing this post has actually made me pretty sad. I wish things were different

You messed up on a biblical scale. This is political correctness creeping up in your admin offices. Where exactly do you draw the line? How can you justify or explain that r/fatpeoplehate (which I have never seen and i believe it is just some joke/fun)is banned but the following are cool?? http://www.listnook.com/r/SomeRandomListnook/wiki/sickandweirdsublistnooks#wiki_beastiality.2Ffurries.3A Unlike some of those subs making harmless fun of fat people pic for a laugh isn't illegal in the real world.

As a fat person, I find the idea is deplorable that people like me need to be 'protected' from people exercising their free speech. Free Speech is one of the things that sets the Western Enlightenment - with emphasis on individual rights, individual freedom, and personal responsibility - apart from the Eastern political philosophies exemplified today in China and Singapore, where personal speech is curtailed by over-arching 'big brother' governments in the name of harmony. I really don't think that "The Internet's Own Boy" Aaron Schwartz would have approved of this move. Moot for President!

Ellen Pao needs to go have a little chat with Kevin Rose, and see how well doing shit like this worked out for Digg.

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For the record I'm a very obese dude. I did not like /r/fatpeoplehate. I would have preferred to see that sublistnook die off because people decided that hating people is silly, but alas. I didn't really want to see it go this way. I can understand removing sublistnooks that are breaking a law, but being morality police is worrisome. I am concerned about what this action will do to the Listnook community.

What you just did: http://i.imgur.com/ZQHN2gS.png Edit: First gold for a crappy drawing, thanks!

The backlash is warranted because the admins are not using a transparent and documented system for problem solving. If you want to ban a sublistnook, and especially if you want to make some public statement and ban multiple sublistnooks at the same time you might want to show some documentation and show the steps that were taken. Here's why we're banning this sublistnook. Here's the documentation for the different times we contacted the sublistnook administration. Here was their response or lack of response and here's what we did afterwards. Here's the list of TOS violations. Here is why the actual sublistnook is responsible. Etc. Most other businesses operate this way. Otherwise it turns into a he said she said scenario, and one can only assume there's a hidden agenda.

Some Redittors are created equal, but some of Pao's Listnookors are created more equal. The bottom line is that Listnook no longer a place where you can voice an opinion. Unless you agree with a certain ideology, you will be shut down. They are blaming mods, and are overseeing them. This is overriding the mods ability to enforce their own rules makes them powerless. (cough, sorry, dry throat) Once I found out the greedy daughter of Cthulu (u/frivilouslawsuits) became CEO, I knew this wonderful forum was dead. And here we are, preparing to say goodbye to yet another good thing. Have fun seeing your career taking it's last nosedive, Pao. Btw, Pao is an acronym for PanAtlanticOcean. It has absolutely NO connection with a rancid money hungry c***. That would not be Reddiquitte.

F*** you and your bullshit, Admins. One of your f****** Admins is a Mod of r/Shitlistnooksays, and THATS why you're not touching them. F*** off, you nanny-state fucks.

The straw that broke the camel's back. I'm deleting my account, removing the bookmarks and uninstalling my Listnook apps. It's been a good run but it's obvious that the current management of Listnook wants to ruin it with censorship, regardless of how terrible the content is, I disagree with this move. Goodbye listnook.

PSA: If you do head over to voat.co, remember to disable adblock for the site (at least for now.) Voat is going to need some ad revenue to pay for servers, and its not white-listed by default. (and I'm unconnected to voat, not shilling for clicks)

Will you also be banning negative comments towards (or images displaying the harmful effects of) drug addiction, alcohol addiction, gambling addiction, gaming addiction, painkiller addiction, and so on? No? Just food addiction and nothing else? Solid logic there.

Why aren't /r/shitlistnooksays, /r/sublistnookdrama, and /r/gamerghazi banned? I'd like an explanation of what rule /r/neofag (which certainly used fouler language, but was based around the same idea) violated that they didn't. It seems listnook admins only oppose harassment from people they disagree with.