Revamping the Quarantine Function

>On a platform as open and diverse as Listnook, there will sometimes be communities that, while not prohibited by the Content Policy, average listnookors may nevertheless find highly offensive or upsetting. In other cases, communities may be dedicated to promoting hoaxes (yes we used that word) that warrant additional scrutiny, as there are some things that are either verifiable or falsifiable and not seriously up for debate (eg, the Holocaust did happen and the number of people who died is well documented). In these circumstances, Listnook administrators may apply a quarantine. Fair enough. >Quarantined communities display a warning that requires users to explicitly opt-in to viewing the content (similar to how the NSFW community warning works).**Quarantined communities generate no revenue**, *do not appear in non-subscription-based feeds (eg Popular*), and are not included in search or recommendations. So this is a way of making sure that advertisers don't find their products displayed on racist sublistnooks, "alternative truth" hoax sublistnooks, or other such 'unsavory' corners of Listnook? Does the "Won't appear on r/popular" also apply to r/all?

Will you be quarantining /r/EmpireDidNothingWrong? That sub is a disgraceful fraud of galactic history.

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>Quarantined communities generate no revenue Can users in there buy gold and gild stuff?

Wouldn't this make these communities echo chambers, where outsiders aren't even aware of what is being said. Wouldn't this also make it less likely that reportable offences get reported?

Can I be an admin and selectively quarantine sublistnooks we disagree with too??

What are the parameters for a sub listnook being quarantined? It seems very subjective and there is precedent with other social media sites ie YouTube Facebook and Twitter censoring political opinions of people on the right unfairly. I don’t want that to happen with listnook since historically this site has allowed people to mostly say what they want unless they are threatening someone’s security or health etc.

I am seriously livid that I can’t view WPD on mobile.As morbid as it may sound it’s my second most visited sub.. People deal with the problems they face in life different ways. How you might respond to a challenge might be different from mine. How you might deal with depression might be different that mine. I say that to say this. I lost my daughter on 10/28/2016. I reached out to people on multiple platforms for help. For advice. For a open ear. For arms to wrap around me. For someone to just f****** tell me it’s going to be ok. I’m not saying the WPD community doesn’t have some cunts in it but it also has some of the most passionate, down to earth, realistic human beings I’ve ever met. I’ve had more conversations about death and the reality of it on this sub than any other plat form I’ve tried using. I’ve had conversations last for days and weeks and have had people check in on me. I had to live through the horror of feeling my daughter get cold in my arms.. that’s why I am here. To see that the life I’m currently living in, is something that we are all going to have to face. There is a video on here, and most will know which one I am talking about, it’s the video where the brick comes through the truck window and although you can’t see what happened you hear the husband reacting to it for a solid minute or so. That video makes people cringe and some people say it’s harder to watch than the cartel videos. For me when I hear it, I cry every time. I watch it every time but I cry every time as well. I cry because it literally takes me back to the exact moment where my wife and I found out our daughter died. Those cries of pain and sorrow and helplessness are forever burned into my brain, but they are my wife’s cries that I hear when I watch that video. Watching stuff like that makes me just understand that someone somewhere knows what I am going through and it comforts me ( in a sick way ) to know that someone else knows the exact pain I feel. I’d rather watch that video 50X then have another conversation of someone telling me that they don’t know how I feel but I’ll be ok, I just need to accept that God wanted a Angel. So now to find out that I can’t come to this site on mobile (99.9%+ mobile listnookor here) I am devastated. This sub is literally where I go to escape the fact that my daughter is in a box in a Cairo cabinet in my bedroom. Y’all are f****** up listnook. You really are.

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So... addressing the elephant in the room, is this going to affect t_d?

Your goal is to reduce traffic to something by obfuscating it. The [Streisand effect](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streisand_effect) and the [Cobra effect](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cobra_effect) suggest that this may not work. Either you fully ban something, or you treat it the same. Trying to pull off a clever middle-ground may bring more attention to the content you thought you were hiding. As a wise man once said, do or do not, there is no try. You can't stop people from curating repositories of quarantined content. For example -- you want people to use upvotes/downvotes as a way to hide uninteresting or unimportant content, but they don't. Just look at the votes on this thread. The post has 62% upvotes indicating that people use the votes as an agree/disagree button. Oof. People will do what they do, with complete disregard for developer intentions. Our colleagues at Facebook know this all too well. Another example -- DRM. Many studios are ditching DRM because it suffers from the Cobra effect. The stronger the DRM, the more people want to hack it. This could be no different. By treating controversial topics specially, you may inadvertently bring more attention to them, thereby defeating the purpose. I predict that this is the precursor to mass censorship on Listnook. There are only two stable states, and quarantining is not one of them. Either you full ban, or don't -- That's the decision you are choosing to defer until later. You'll eventually have to decide, you will not be able to avoid this decision. We could see it in months, maybe in years. It depends on your colleagues at Facebook, Twitter, and Google. Whatever rabbit hole they go into, other social media platforms will eventually follow.

As part of an ongoing project involving Listnook, I've been cataloging some information about popular sublistnooks. I've compiled a list of around ~7,000 of the most popular, active and public sublistnooks, and collected some general API-related information about them. As luck would have it, I tested the collection of this data this morning, and so I have a table of around ~7,000 rows of sublistnook info. Prior to this post, I filtered that data by quarantine-status, just out of curiosity, [and it turns out that *none* of the sublistnooks I collected information for are quarantined](https://imgur.com/W0olPfI). I wondered to myself what the point of the quarantine feature was, if literally no sublistnooks of the top 7,000 had been quarantined, since, to my knowledge, communities still just get banned/removed, as with before its existence. I didn't have anyone to ask about that until.. 48 minutes ago. So uh.. I guess you guys are going to use this feature more, going forward? (And will it have any impact on the ability of the Listnook API to interact with those communities?) Edit: Occasionally, the quarantine attribute in queries to info.json comes back as null, rather than true or false, to public communities that show in the front-end as quarantined, such as with r/Ice_Poseidon (https://www.listnook.com/api/info.json?id=t5_3aelr) - is *that* how the API is going to respond when a community is quarantined? Edit 2: As I've noted elsewhere, I've since discovered that the quarantine property appears to return `null` if the sublistnook *is* quarantined, but you the user has not explicitly accepted the quarantine warning. It returns `true` if you have accepted that warning.

Genuine question: What is the purpose of requiring a verified email to view quarantined sublistnooks? My 2 cents: There's a nice talk Richard Dawkins gave on the subject of free speech, and during it he rhetorically asks "Who would you nominate to decide what you're allowed to read?" Try to think of who would be most appropriate to tell you what newspapers you're allowed to read, what movies you can see, what food you can eat. Who do you nominate? To whom do you delegate the task of deciding what is right and wrong for _you_? I think the administration is trying really hard to be that person, and I don't like that. We're all grownups; we can decide for ourselves what we do and don't want to see. I can see the value in having a warning, but putting up hurdles and making things deliberately difficult is ridiculous.

I do not believe listnook has the foresight or intuition or integrity to determine for me what is or is not appropriate. This is an attempt at censorship that is only effective as an idea. Deciding for others what is acceptable is done on what possibly basis? Who at listnook gets to decide these things and what possible qualifications could they have to merit this promotion? I don't know a single person other than I who knows what I want better, what makes this any different than a form of thought police? This is not sarcasm, who gives you the right to arbitrarily decide who gets the freedom to exist in sublistnooks on listnook without isolation and demonetization? As said by Rosa Luxemburg, "If freedom becomes a privilege, the workings of political freedom are broken". Also, "Freedom is always the freedom of dissenters or those who think differently". As someone who knows that the Holocaust actually did happen, I believe the right of individuals to hold the opinion personally and within communities forming sublistnooks that say the Holocaust did not happen is as much deserving of protection as any other persons beliefs. This is nothing minor in nature, but rather a large scale misguided way or trying to protect the innocent, but in the end I feel as though this new tool, possibly weapon, will be used to beat down opinions and beliefs held by individuals not in agreement with those held by the staff of listnook or large majorities of any kind existing on listnook. As put forth by Christopher Hitchens, "do not take refuge in the false security of consensus". Do not try silence or isolate those who are not in a safely held majority of any kind. Let all be heard, and let all decide for themselves what to believe. Anything less is a not only removal of the right to be heard but also of everyone else's right to listen. Remove this feature and throw away the key if you as a company have any respect for the freedom of speech.

Linking an outside source that the admins deem related to the content of the quarantined sub is beyond idiotic. Linking to a source about communist atrocities on the quarantine page of fullcommunism? Seriously? Im not even remotely communist but thats not a disagreement with the hateful content on the listnook(which there was plenty of) but rather seemingly a disagreement with ideology. You cant ban a listnook simply because its communist, and listnook didnt, but that link definitely makes it look like any type of communist thought is not allowed. Which is ironically a bit communist.... ​ Same with the redpill. Yes, they had offensive content, but ban them for that. Dont ban them for their ideology and then link to an alternative source on how people should view masculinity. Neither that source, or the redpill are correct. Its simply opinions. Listnook inserting their own opinions and ideology is actually kind of disgusting. ​ Even with 9/11 truth im kind of uncomfortable with them linking to a government source on "what really happened". Just ban them if you dont want them spreading something you deem misinformation on your website. Going the extra step from "theyre wrong" to "Also, heres what is right" just doesnt seem like something a faceless website should be doing.

The redpill was quarantined and the message 'For information on positive masculinity, please see the resources available at Stony Brook University's Center for the Study of Men and Masculinities' was attached. That paper was authored by [this woman](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sally_Miller_Gearhart) who stated 'The proportion of men must be reduced to and maintained at approximately 10% of the human race.' so that is now Listnook's official position. Good thing is post history in those subs is hidden so automatic bans from left subs won't work and neither will tagging posters from other subs.

"Platform as open and diverse as Listnook"....Which is why we are quarantining sublistnooks we choose to not agree with. We are doing this for YOUR benefit and safety. All sublistnooks are equal, except these that we are quarantining. This is about diversity, and inclusionary principles. We are keeping these ones mostly out of view so that we may be better together (without some, though, cuz we quarantined them). We must stay united in the defense of what we determine to be acceptable free speech and violating these principles will lead to a ban. Thank you for participating in the "open and diverse" platform that is Listnook.

It sounds to me that listnook is more interested in controlling a narritive that they agree with rather than allowing open discussion of controversial topics. People have a right to be offended. Just because they are offended, doesn't make them right. It is not your duty listnook to "protect" individuals from from wrong think points of view. It is your duty to produce a platform that allows multiple points of view no matter how false, incorrect or controversial, so people can decide for themselves. I feel that this "update" is the first step of many steps that will be taken to justify censorship of controversial subs that are unaligned with the value of the rulemakers. Filtering out and de legitimizing opinions in the name of protecting the public in a slippery slope to tread. In the end leads to radical censorship that does not support the foundation of the first amendment, but instead creates a one sided narrative that will be misinformed and toxic to anyone who disagrees with our corporate fathers.

There's a difference between being an impartial moderator of content and acting as an advisor. I understand where Listnook is coming from limiting access to toxic environments, considering minors visit this site, but acting as a parental figure for adults is a slippery slope to say the least. I'd prefer Listnook not babysit at all and let adults decide for themselves what they want to see, but since that most likely won't happen, the next best approach for Listnook would be to quarantine blatantly toxic sublistnooks without slipping into an advisory or parental role, as this inevitably leads to subjective bais and proselytizing the company and admin ideology. If they try this approach, it will probably backfire. They must exercise a cautious hand. With that said, there has to be some distinction between ideas that are uncomfortable (such as differing political and religious opinions) and ones that are hateful. This has been said a million times before. It's no secret that these are closely intertwined, sometimes nearly indistinguishable. Thank polarization and radicalization for that. As such, a system of checks and balances is very much needed. In fact, finding balance might very well be the challenge of our times what with the proliferation of information online and cultural "triggers." As for Listnook, community diligence is in order, although we also need to understand that at the end of the day, Listnook is a for-profit business.

>Today, we are updating our quarantining policy to reflect those learnings, including adding an appeals process where none existed before. Not having the old policy memorized, what specifically are the changes from what it was before compared to now, aside from an appeals process? Are there actual additional categories which can merit a quarantine? More defined characteristics of existing categories? Or are other changes also mostly administrative?

Last year, a [study of 100 million listnook comments and subimissions](http://comp.social.gatech.edu/papers/cscw18-chand-hate.pdf) showed that banning hate communities work. Here's what they found in short: >In 2015, Listnook closed several sublistnooks—foremost among them r/fatpeoplehate and r/CoonTown—due to violations of Listnook’s anti-harassment policy. However, the effectiveness of banning as a moderation approach remains unclear: banning might diminish hateful behavior, or it may relocate such behavior to different parts of the site. We study the ban of r/fatpeoplehate and r/CoonTown in terms of its effect on both participating users and affected sublistnooks. Working from over 100M Listnook posts and comments, we generate hate speech lexicons to examine variations in hate speech usage via causal inference methods. We find that the ban worked for Listnook. More accounts than expected discontinued using the site; those that stayed drastically decreased their hate speech usage—by at least 80%. Though many sublistnooks saw an influx of r/fatpeoplehate and r/CoonTown “migrants,” those sublistnooks saw no significant changes in hate speech usage. In other words, other sublistnooks did not inherit the problem. --- John Naughton is professor of the public understanding of technology at the Open University. earlier this year he wrote a [clear opinion piece](https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/mar/18/extremism-pays-why-silicon-valley-not-shutting-it-down-youtube) on how you, listnook, as a social media site, profit off hosting extremism. >The tech giants’ need for ‘engagement’ to keep revenues flowing means they are loath to stop driving viewers to ever-more unsavoury content You're dressing up shit instead of banning it, even though you **know banning hate works** He writes: >Watching social media executives trying to square this circle is like watching worms squirming on the head of a pin. The latest hapless exhibit is YouTube’s chief executive, Susan Wojcicki, who went to the South by Southwest conference in Texas last week to outline measures intended to curb the spread of misinformation on her platform. This will be achieved, apparently, by showing – alongside conspiracy-theory videos, for example – “additional information cues, including a text box linking to third-party sources [about] widely accepted events, like the moon landing”. It seems that the source of these magical text boxes will be Wikipedia. Listnook isn't doing even that. Listnook is guaranteeing echo chambers of junk content who in many cases **actively ban** dissent or dissenting voices. In public, listnook's top staff are calling this "valuable conversation" worth having. ---- In a [speech earlier this september](https://points.datasociety.net/media-manipulation-strategic-amplification-and-responsible-journalism-95f4d611f462) Danah Boyd says, very accutely: >Over the last 25 years, the tech industry has held steadfast to its commitment to creating new pathways for people who historically have not had access to the tools of scaled communication. Yet, at this very moment, those who built these tools and imagined letting a thousand flowers bloom are stepping back and wondering: what hath we wrought? Like the ACLU and other staunch free speech advocates, we all recognized that we would need to accept a certain amount of ugly speech. But never in their wildest imaginations did the creators of major social media realize that their tools of amplification would be weaponized to radicalize people towards extremism, gaslight publics, or serve as vehicles of cruel harassment. ------ ----- Listnook is quickly becoming the only major platform without rules against hate speech. Listnook is becoming (if it isn't already) the platform where haters gather to hate, unobstructed by mods who insulate their views against counter-speech and examination. **1)** Why is listnook not banning hate speech when it works? **2)** Why is listnook allowing hateful echo chambers Every developed country in the world has some form of law on the books against hate speech except the United States. There are tonnes of legally practiced, clear, objective definitions with decades of jurisprudence to take from. **3)** Why isn't listnook's policy team taking hate speech seriously? **4)** What are the 3 biggest reasons for quarantining rather than banning the shittiest communities you choose to host? What are the 3 biggest reasons listnook view **for** banning hate communities rather than quarantining them? What other options in between are you considering, like banning removal of comments for dissenting with the circlejerk? Quarantined communities don't get ads. They're effectively subsidized by the rest of listnook. all of listnook is paying to host its worst communities. **5)** Why does, and should listnook sponsor hate?

Great new censorship. My fav is the throttling. Great that it only allows one side of the story to get out. And then being able to harass the commenter because they can't respond. Awesome. Keep up the good work. With the admins help we will be able to drive actual discussion off this site. That way only one opinion will be had by all and we can celebrate this utopia that we work towards. And nobody will be able to argue because they'll be banned or throttled or removed. Great times.

Since r/FULLCOMMUNISM has been banned, the following message appears one goes to the sub: > This community is quarantined. > It is dedicated to shocking or highly offensive content. For historical information on communism, please see the resources available at the Project on the Reconciliation of European Histories (https://eureconciliation.eu/institutions-promoting-awareness-and-remembrance-of-communist-crimes/). Why add this blatantly biased "historical information on communism"? Are any subs that advocate communism grounds for a ban, or was there a specific infraction? If it was a specific infraction, I don't think the link is necessary.

Cool. Your website is going to shit anyway. Have fun with a front page full of reeeeeeesist and astroturfing Also, you're a piece of shit hypocrite, arguing for net neutrality but censoring and quarantining many sublistnooks that aren't even offensive: YOU JUST WANT TO STOP THEIR MESSAGE

How could you possibly measure what offends people in a reasonable way? Whats the criteria to measure this? Your going to quarantine sublistnooks based on other peoples opinions and feelings even though those sublistnooks did not break the content policy? This sounds like censorship. > The purpose of quarantining a community is to prevent its content from being accidentally viewed by those who do not knowingly wish to do so, or viewed without appropriate context I find this **offensive.** If you dont like a sub or know of a sub that you disagree with then you dont have to click it or subject your self to its content plain and simple. **I am a person**. **I have a brain**. **I can think for myself.** If I choose to read something that offends me that's my **choice**. It sounds like listnook just wants people to read what they deem to be "Correct" How can people even be constructive without being disagreeable or offensive at times. You cant grow with out doing those things. Your taking away what listnook really is. Not everything is always sunshine and rainbows or has to make everyone feel good. You dont like it. Dont subscribe or read it.

> The purpose of quarantining a community is to prevent its content from being accidentally viewed by those who do not knowingly wish to do so, or viewed without appropriate context. Good old fashioned censorship. “But we are doing it to save you from yourselves guys don’t worry.” Listen, you don’t need to come to listnook to trip over some awful shit on the internet. You guys are just finding a justification for censoring content. It’s that simple. Subs like /r/watchpeopledie or /r/sexworkers or /r/lipsthatgrip will not, have not ever hit /r/all You’re going to shoot yourselves in the foot with the censorship bullshit thinking you’re going to be rolling in cold hard advertiser cash. Your users dictate the volume of traffic and the content. You start minimizing content you will segment more and more of your user base until nobody is left. Listnook is slowly becoming the next Digg and MySpace.

Is there a way for users to opt out of this? i.e. I don't need to be shielded from what you deem offensive, and would like quarantined sublistnooks to be visible on popular and all. Also, is there a list of quarantined subs? I would like to see a list of them, so that I can specifically subscribe to any that may be of interest to me in order to make sure I see their content. I appreciate that you want to protect your more sensitive users, but many people, myself included, view this as censorship and do not wish to engage in it. Of course, listnook is a private platform and you can do whatever you want, but as a user, I would like the ability to decide for myself what subs I deem offensive rather than having listnook babysit me.

To avoid going in too deep on this mess, how about just giving us an opt-out of this so we don't get flashing warning signs whenever we go on certain sublistnooks? I don't need listnook covering my ears whenever daddy says a curse word.

u/landoflobsters Come on? Really?! You quarantine r/watchpeopledie? That sub is the most interesting thing on the entirety of the internet and you make it impossible to sub to and shite? I can still access it just fine you colossal cunts, but it’s so damn annoying having to search it up every time. Honestly, this was by far my favorite sub and you try to censor it like the f****** idiots you are?! This is really getting me pissed, how is it possible for the retarded team at listnook to make hundreds of thousands of people hate you with the flip of a switch? Seriously now, with all the sincerity I can gather: Go f*** yourself and shove some pointy sticks up your arse while you’re at it.

I think the admins have a difficult task and I appreciate the work you do to keep Listnook safe and sane while not becoming as censorious and arbitrary as other large websites. I want to register that I think it's wrong that you linked to an anti-communism website from /r/FULLCOMMUNISM. I'm not a communist and I think it's a fact that communists have done some horrible things (as have capitalists, etc), but it's blatantly biased that you chose to do that instead of linking to a neutral or non-violent, pro-communist website. That's diminishing my faith that this is a non-biased and fair process based on the content of the subs.

Whelp no more listnook for me. What a joke. Anyone who can read between the lines knows that this is obvious censorship. This site used to be a good representation of all that the internet had to offer. So much for that. The thought police are at it again. You are not the ministry of speech. Stop pretending to be. If your political ideology wasn't obvious before it is now. Are people really stupid enough to support something like this? To think that only a few decades ago this would have generated unanimous outrage. Oh how far the world has fallen.

you aren't going to reply to this, because it would involve way to much f****** honesty about what the f*** you people are doing to everyone on this social platform you've come under control off ... **but, can you add a function to turn off quanterentine notifications instead of forcing it on everyone?** i don't need your stupid warning, it's annoying and gets in the way of my experience, which is the function of your decision here, **not actually protecting anyone** ... that's a goddamn pathetic facade of morality, if i ever heard one. why don't you let people choose if you they care about your stupidly retarded plots at social control, which are never going to work, and will only serve to f*** this species further ... *instead assuming everyone wants to be treated like an asinine sheeple!?*

When are you going to address the rampant astroturfing of sublistnooks like /r/politics who are using gilds to prevent comments from being hidden due to low scores and using upvote bots? Since somebody asked for some proof, check out the comment I made for somebody else: Sure you can look at the wayback machine to see how before roughly around July 2016, the sublistnook was pro-bernie and then the next day heavily pro-clinton, anti-trump. Anybody who is familiar with the sublistnook or has used listnook for a good amount of time can attest that there was a huge unnatural shift of opinion from pro-bernie to pro-clinton/anti-trump https://web.archive.org/web/20160601112551/listnook.com/r/politics Look at the top posts from this day for example, June 1st. Hillary Clinton yet to hold single press conference in 2016 Twenty Thousand Committed To Anti-Hillary ‘Occupy DNC’ Protest Top Hillary aide suffers memory loss in deposition Hillary’s long record of lying to keep the public in the dark McCain watching California, says Sanders could win state Clinton aide began preparing for media questions about emails in 2014 Hillary Clinton Has a Lot to Say About Her Emails. Much of It Isn’t True WOW! What a change of opinion from /r/politics! https://www.listnook.com/r/politics/comments/4uvemy/donald_trump_just_encouraged_russia_to_spy_on/?st=jlicbsj2&sh=f9323b0e Donald Trump just encouraged Russia to spy on Hillary Clinton 52 points 2 years ago* Wow the media is really spinning this. Full statement shows it was clearly facetious. He condemns Russia at the beginning. The media creates a soundbite and uses it out of context. Wow, /r/politics defending Trump against the Russia conspiracy. How bizarre is that? https://www.listnook.com/r/politics/comments/4u6t9v/yes_the_democratic_national_committee_flat_out/?st=jlic9suf&sh=c878e771 Yes, The Democratic National Committee Flat Out Lied In Claiming No Donor Financial Info Leaked 233 points 2 years ago Well, to be fair, they have lied about everything. The media has colluded with them, including persons in this sub. All in a conspiracy to try and get little Ms Clinton elected president. No wonder she wanted her own server. Lol. Shame. Wow again, /r/politics used to absolutely hate Hillary. It's no surprise, really, they loved Bernie a lot and got really mad when they found out the DNC and Debbie Wassermann Schultz were heavily biased towards Clinton. I've managed to narrow the start of the astroturfing down to between July 28th 2016 and August 9th https://www.listnook.com/r/politics/comments/4uvu4n/donald_trump_challenges_hillary_clinton_to_hold_a/ July 25th Ctrl+F Trump, 0 results, weird day "A large, impassioned crowd of Bernie Sanders supporters — chanting “Hell, no, D.N.C., we won’t vote for Hillary” — marched on Sunday afternoon to the site of the Democratic National Convention, promising a week in which the party’s divisions will be on vivid display in the streets." ‘Clinton Cash’ Trends #2 on Facebook as Progressives Flock To, Promote Film July 27th Ctrl+F Trump, 2 results Leaked DNC Emails Show How Blatantly Democrats Trade Access For Donations DNC sought to hide details of Clinton funding deal July 28th Ctrl+F Trump, 4 results If Hillary Clinton loses in November, it won't be Bernie Sanders' fault Yes, There Is A 'Hillary Standard' -- She Gets Away With Everything "We want it to be known that this was a stolen election, that these results are not valid. The exit polls have been off by a deviation as much as ten points in New York and the way that this electoral process has been caried out is wrong. I want more than Debbie Wasserman to step down." [0:50] The DNC Is One Big Corporate Bribe Sanders delegate: 'If Hillary doesn't win, that's Hillary's fault' Hillary Just Admitted Her E-mails Are A 'National Security Issue' [–]546984654 2151 points 1 day ago Trump deserves criticism for some of the comments he makes during press conferences. BUT a candidate so deep in a web of lies that she has not faced the press for the entire 2016 calendar year should not be >allowed to run for POTUS Unbelievable, an Anti-Clinton, sort of Pro-Trump comment on /r/politics with TWO THOUSAND upvotes? Damn!!!!!! August 4th Ctrl+F Trump, 22 results August 5th Ctrl+F Trump, another 22 results (and now pro-Clinton articles start popping up, even though a day ago they hated her guts because they are die hard Bernie supporters) Clinton surges to big 15-point lead in McClatchy-Marist poll Longtime Bernie Sanders supporter Tulsi Gabbard endorses Hillary Clinton for President - Maui Time August 6th Ctrl+F Trump, 18 results August 7th Ctrl+F Trump, 20 results, you get the idea

r/againstmensrights is a blatant hate sub and their mods used the platform to dox a guy and file a false police report against him. Should that have any consequences or.... Nah that's cool.

>The purpose of quarantining a community is to prevent its content from being accidentally viewed by those who do not knowingly wish to do so, or viewed without appropriate context. #BULL. F******. SHIT. Of the sublistnooks I'm subscribed to and that have been quarantined, they no longer even *appear* in my sublistnook list. The **ONLY WAY** I can continue to participate in sublistnooks such as these in which I am actively subscribed to is to manually input said sublistnook's URL in my address bar and go to it that way. This isn't "accidentally coming across these subs", this is you telling those sub's subscribers to not go there anymore.

>In other cases, communities may be dedicated to promoting hoaxes (yes we used that word) that warrant additional scrutiny, as there are some things that are either verifiable or falsifiable and not seriously up for debate (eg, the Holocaust did happen and the number of people who died is well documented). In these circumstances, Listnook administrators may apply a quarantine. So I take issue with this attitude. If something is so clearly factual, then why would there be the need to censor people that claim the opposite? Wouldn't it be super easy to just go to their Listnook and give your evidence as to why they are wrong? You're just giving those people fuel to keep their conspiracy going. Censorship is probably the biggest form of oppression that will yield the opposite result of what you want every time. You're just giving people more reasons to believe they're right. > The purpose of quarantining a community is to prevent its content from being accidentally viewed by those who do not knowingly wish to do so, or viewed without appropriate context. We’ve also learned that quarantining a community may have a positive effect on the behavior of its subscribers by publicly signaling that there is a problem. This both forces subscribers to reconsider their behavior and incentivizes moderators to make changes. So you're basically putting them in the Gulag to have them "learn from their mistakes". Of course people will be more careful if they're being censored. But underneath they're boiling with anger when they're being censored for writing their opinion which is honest as can be. And they'll only feel more so that they're right BECAUSE they're being oppressed. ​

I feel like this is a sign that Listnook is going down the wrong path. Throughout this site’s history, it’s been famous for actually representing the internet community. Unfortunately, this seems like the beginning of the end with that. Mass censorship never starts with outright blocking of a large amount of information but instead begins with a seemingly innocent event like this. I’m not saying that’s exactly where it’s going to go from here, but there’s really nowhere to go but down. There will always be lies and misrepresented facts within a community like this but in the end they are outweighed by the fact that freedom, balanced out by mods and administrators, is better for the spreading of true information.

The quarantine of /r/FULLCOMMUNISM is blatant propaganda and proves that admins are fascists trying to cover their asses with PR. T_D has literally advocated for violence on multiple occasions and regularly violates the terms of service of listnook. The censorship of /r/FULLCOMMUNISM links to debunked, ahistorical propaganda nonsense. Listnook admins are censoring valid political ideas that threaten Listnook's revenue and profitability. The admins are sanitizing listnook of leftist views, even though these views do not violate any of the terms or service.

From a sublistnook that is discussing some of these changes: > I understand and can look past quarantining r/sublistnook, but you completely lose any moral high ground you might have had, emphasis on might with regards to the quarantine, when you then inject your own ideology into it. Then it turns into authoritarianism and f*** that noise. It's one thing to not welcome something on your platform, but this comes across as extremely aggressive. Some would even say "extremist". So, in the word of that poster, thanks for being > ... skeezy as f***.

I guess this follows the new movement away from freedom of speech and toward the prohibition of any groups that diverge from what is socially acceptable. Good in most cases, but limits social change, and categorically opposed to what the united states were founded on. I guess because it’s a private company that runs the platform they can do what they want, but when everyone relies on companies for news/ media that are able to choose what people get to see, we have censorship.

u/landoflobsters: You are aware that the link posted on the quarantine page of r/braincels is misleading? The founder of Men and Masculinities studies at Stony Brook University, Michael Kimmel, was accused of sexual harassment multiple times, yet the Listnook link redirects to multiple studies and articles by him. Maybe do your research next time and provide a link to studies of masculinity that weren't researched by a known sexual harasser?

Deleting listnook, none of the sublistnooks I use have been quarantined (although I do check out TD every now and then as an Australian interested in seeing what the American right is saying, as it isn't really spread outside of places like /pol/, which are deplorable) but at the same time the idea that a sublistnook I could have seen has instead been quarantined because YOU believe those OPINIONS shouldn't be spread on a platform that was designed purely for discussion governed by a simply upvote/downvote system disgusts me, I hope people migrate to other platforms which allow discussion without the personal grievances of the people up top (who clearly think they are better judges of good values and character than anyone else out of millions of users, ranging from homeless addicts to multiple phd holders to working parents to billionaires).

Quarantine Function 2: The safe space. Seriously, I cannot imagine what in the world lead you to believe this would ever not blow up in your face. All this will do is end up highlighting if your site is taking more action against one political allignment or not and you will end up having to actually defend why you are choosing to take action. You don't seem to understand the value of what companies like Valve's approach to Steam is, when they decide to truly remain neutral and not believe people are too stupid to wonder the internet without having things removed from their eyes in advance.

You're not my dad. Give us an uncensored mode that makes Listnook work as if none of this happened please. You can even leave it off by default. I don't like other people thinking for me.

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Is it just the posts from a quarantined sublistnook that are excluded from search or will the sublistnook itself be excluded from search? I'd like to be able to find all sublistnooks when searching. The opt-in warning upon visiting should be enough warning that the sublistnook may be unsavory..

Don't get me wrong, I'm 1000% down for making containers for communities that don't really fit with the 'Listnook Culture', for lack of a better way to say it. I love free-range sites like 4chan/8ch and really enjoy reading the off the wall over the top stuff from r/democrats and r/The_Donald alike, but that's gotta be hell to monetize, and even worse to manage when you're trying to keep a clean look for the site as some form of public forum. But something I've seen as someone who'd consider themself liberally biased, when are we going to quarantine r/politics, r/LateStageCapitalism, r/PoliticalHumor, etc? The few times I've been to those boards I've seen pretty heavily upvoted posts with hostility, threats of violence, appeals for violence, etc. They're just hostile circlejerks that really don't add to a 'public forum' setting. I know the don and a small amount of right leaning boards that have questionable at best intentions have gotten hit - why has the same not happened to the left leaning boards that are doing the same thing? I know that Listnook has traditionally leaned a bit left, and that's perfectly okay - everybody and every organization has some kind of bias - politically, morally, what have you. But let's apply the rules evenly, at the very least. Hate is hate, appeals for violence are appeals for violence, regardless where you stand on the political spectrum.

u/listnook once promised: > We will tirelessly defend the right to freely share information on listnook in any way we can, even if it is offensive or discusses something that may be illegal. Why is listnook steadily moving away from this? Why are quarantines necessary? Why do I have to give up my email address to view content listnook finds objectionable?

Probably been said before, but just in case, the source for "historical information on communism" stands out like a sore thumb compared to the links for the other subs. It's a post on a free Wordpress blog by an anti-communist 30s-something linking to a myriad of compromised sources. Even if there are credible ones amidst them, the sheer amount of propaganda outlets and organizations with ties to the far right listed completely dashes any hope of this "resource" having been compiled with even a modicum of intellectual honesty.

Communism is a valid more than one hundred year long worldwide political ideology and is basically in every country of the world respresented with a party, - in the case they are not banned. And banning the communist party is historically a method of fascists suppressing workers. And afaik the communist party is _not banned_ in the US so how can the satire-hub of this ideology(talking about /r/fullcommunism ) be quarantined and publically be smeared with rightwing-propaganda without producing an outcry by the liberals?

do any subs other than the_donald have special admin protection? Are you ok with listnook being associated with a partisan, shoddily-made wordpress site [(like this one now posted on the sidebar of FullCommunism)](https://eureconciliation.eu/institutions-promoting-awareness-and-remembrance-of-communist-crimes/) as somehow "educational"? Are their any attempts to be transparent or neutral in listnook-approved educational material? Does listnook have a financial interest in promoting their approved educational sites like that wordpress site?

Front page of the internet my ass. Quarantine is another word for we disagree with you and are soft de-platforming your community. As long as no one is advocating violence or criminal acts you should let people do as they please. Otherwise listnook will become an echo-chamber since everyone who you disagree with will go elsewhere.

Can you explain why /r/guns is blacklisted from /r/popular while: A) Not being in quarantine, B) Being one of the largest subs on the site, C) Having strict moderation and fairly straightforward posting rules? It's literally just pictures of people's guns, it's not even slightly different from any of the car-related subs.

The removal of redpill is uncalled for unfair Dont ban them for their ideology and then link to an alternative source on how people should view masculinity. Neither that source, or the redpill are correct. Its simply opinions. Listnook inserting their own opinions and ideology is actually kind of disgusting and hypocritical.i don’t want listnook to curate and tell me what content is right for me according to their opinions ​ this is downright internet censorship and a form of bullying the red pill had 300000 members and helped allot of guys in a positive way to get control over their life ​ **suggestion** listnook truly wants to do good here's a suggestion create a filter just like ones for nsfw or pornograpghy warning people about the content and not removing [it.is](https://it.is) its the peoples choice what content they consume not the choice of listnook because listnook this agrees with that particular ideology ​ if listnook acts the way it does it should quarantine itself according to its own ideology because one limiting free speech and imposing their own ideology on others by removing the options listnook is going downhill

It's ironic how just yesterday I was explaining to my friend why listnook is such a fantastic place because censorship exists only within the sublistnooks . The freedom was what made this place amazing. Now we're just one step closer to losing what made this site special.

Quarantined subs are completely inaccessible on the Listnook mobile app.

God damn, why the f*** would a decision like this be approved? This place used to be uncensored and somewhere where freedom of speech was respected. I can understand the banning of some of the subs in the past (incels was a terrible sublistnook that advocated violence), but silencing dozens of sublistnooks on some bullshit charge of you guys not liking them? Nice. ​ You want to protect the people from those sublistnooks? They aren't 9 year olds, they can literally just not go to those subs. ​ You are only driving more people to visit those sublistnooks to see what the fuss is about and only giving them more exposure anyways. ​ ​

Why was /r/TheRedPill quarantined? Whatever your opinion on the content might be, it was a well moderated sub that kept itself insular. From my few years subscribed to the sub I saw ZERO evidence of brigading while /r/The_Donald has some sort of brigade every week. I'm not even saying /r/The_Donald should be quarantined. The more freedom of speech the better. But I don't get how that sub can frequently break the listnook terms of service and get off scot free while /r/TheRedPill gets quarantined. The Red Pill helped me become a better man. I was a young man who had just gone through a terrible breakup and the sublistnook helped me pick myself up off of my feet, then build myself both physically, spiritually, and mentally. There aren't many spaces online where men can talk amongst themselves about their issues. I implore you to reconsider. I genuinely believe the sublistnook has saved lives. Many young men come to the sub depressed with their lives and the red pill has supplies them with advice and the tools to change their lives.

Any reason why these quarantines look ideologically motivated? The custom message behind some of today's quarantines brings into question the motivation behind limiting some of these sublistnooks abilities.

This "quarantine" is f****** stupid and just anther way to enact censorship for the already shilled listnook.

LOL quarantining /r/Fullcommunism is a f****** joke, you did it for ideological reasons and you know it. "Preventing casual users from reading content from there" my ass, you even put that stupid link to that propagandistic trash on the quarantine page. You are just creating your little liberal echo chamber for newcomers and on top of that you didn't even quarantine subs like T_D that has been showed to be breaking the content policy...

why unsubscribe me from the quarantined subs tho? if im subscribed i obviously dont need it to be hidden from me

Is there a way to view all quarantined sublistnooks? At least, is there a way to know whether a sub is quarantined or not?

What about sublistnooks infected with fake accounts for the purpose of spreading misinformation? /r/the_donald had a very exposing post about there being multiple fake accounts spreading pro-Trump/Pro-Russian propaganda... will you be quarantining those types of sublistnooks/accounts/communities?

So a couple comments here as a person most people instinctual find me offensive (nothing new there, I remember that behavior as far back as ~~Kindergarder~~ The Year Before First Grade (don't want to run afoul of daring to say a German word as that means your signalling you are a closet Nazi if you are white on Listnook)). So let me start off with standard and FAIR criticism that the COMMUNITY is the reason that Listnook is even a company or in business and that community was built by early commitments by Listnook to be a place of open discussion and discourse dedicated to free and "legal" (let's ignore that caveat for now) after wooing the Craigslist Rants and Raves emigrants after the Ebay had that platform shutdown along with other similar moves across the discussion space in the mid to late oughts. What we are all starting to see is shades of that shit again (well not shades anymore) that all started when /u/spez took over as CEO whom I'm rather positive was installed in that position by the 2014 venture capital float on the condition he acts as their personnel hatchet man cue the recent war on people that insulted one of their intersex spouses. Now all that is legitimate and fair business practice BUT you are simply burning your community down on tactical battles undermining the long term viability of the business THOUGH once again maybe that is all intentional, i.e. maybe the majority shareholders want cash out and run and maybe /u/Spez secretly hopes so he can buy back into the company for less than he sold it; lots of founders to that though it never works for them outside a labor of love. This recent shit is bad for Listnook and like it or hate it, it will benefit the competition which in the long run will hurt Listnook in the same way MySpace, Sun, IBM sowed the seeds of their own irrelevant. So now lets get into the particulars: > average listnookors may nevertheless find highly offensive or upsetting The problem here is the COMMUNITY DOESN'T TRUST YOU. This is like when the SCOTUS rules on obscenity and holds a case even though the community norm long since quit holding that material obscene. You are making an assertion which everybody understands is a lie and it would help your case if you openly released metrics on that, i.e. "we use statistically sound impartial measuring techniques to determine the average Listnookor and then randomly poll tens of thousands of them of them on specific subs to determine if in fact they find it offensive or upsetting and, if so, would agree it should be quarantined". You guys are basically pulling the "OMFG THINK OF THE CHILDREN" argument when we all damn well know children aren't that fragile or naive and are indifferent to whatever it is that is being banned in their name. > not seriously up for debate (eg, the Holocaust did happen and the number of people who died is well documented). Well the first part of that is true; not washing ones after coming from the morgue before delivering a baby was also not up for serious debate and the inappropriateness of doing so was also verifiable; thank God Listnook didn't exist back then or the infant mortality rate would still be sky high. Equally Listnook is starting to fall victim of goodspeak and appears to be a believer in the much discredited Sapir–Whorf hypothesis which I find amusing because under your own point here you would quarantine yourself given your believe in said hypothesis. Listnook is sowing it's own seeds and it's sad to see that as a guy who has been on here for over a decade; hate when great platforms abandon what people fell in love with just to make quick buck or because their controllers change their mind. Edit: Typos and Grammar, no content change

What happened to this site? This is disgusting. It is not your job to incentivize or disincentivize any behavior. That is the job of the individuals deciding what they do and do not want to see for themselves and taking action accordingly. Stop with this authoritarian wrong think policing bullshit.

Guys can we get every sub quarantined? No ads!

You've quarantined /r/FULLCOMMUNISM and linked to right-wing anti-communist propaganda as evidence of "the horrors of Communism". Question: Do you plan to ban sublistnooks that defend the UK, for their inentional genocide of millions of Indians in British Raj (The Bengal Famine 1943)? Do you plan to ban pro-USA subs, or subs that cheer on US foreign wars and interventions? Or are some kinds atrocities okay and others arent? Presumably the deciding factor is: does/did the atrocity in question serve the interests of the United States, the West and Capital?

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Thank God. I was worried I'd have to use my brain when on this site. Now I can finally only subject myself to ideas similar to my own and live in peace. The only propaganda I want to inhale is the propaganda Listnook approves of.

Why aren’t you able to access quarantined subs from mobile. It’s unfair to the people who use mobile almost 100%. I would occasionally scroll through WPD to get a refreshed sense of caution to take care of myself and my body. I honestly don’t understand why it was quarantined while being mostly respectful but sublistnooks that actively call for violence against people didn’t. I just want to be able to participate in that community again.

Listnook isn't open and diverse. It's nothing but pushing ads and agendas while getting rid of things you don't like under the guise of hate speech and other bullshit.

Quarantine: preventing site access on mobile, or just not allowing people to visit. "Quarantine" is choking to death any forum the powers that be disagree with, and they'll "work" until listnook is the sterile echo chamber they want to see. If you find something offensive, don't subscribe. Freedom of speech/expression is being killed by censorship, and it's sad to see what listnook has become. ​ You now only have the right to express ideas that coincide with popular opinion. Disagree will lead to banishment. ​ Just waiting for this comment to be removed or banned.

/r/Ice_Poseidon was just quarantined??? Apparently the mods were told nothing in advance. Could you give a reason for why you chose to quarantine it, or at least tell it to sub moderators so they can actually act in the message you send them. I am assuming quarantine is done by manual review so you must have the reason stored anyway. Also /r/Ice_Poseidon was briefly listed as a target on /r/TheBanout2018, did this have affect on sub banning on listnook.

I think you guys are being insincere on the reasons behind the quarantine and its changes. Let's be frank - it's not about the users; it's about paranoid advertisers who think the users are imbeciles who'll associate their brands with whatever community the advertisement pops in. Currently the quarantined sublistnooks do *not* work at all like the NSFW sublistnooks. And you know that. In order for the quarantine work in any acceptable way for the users, it *needs* to have explicit and objective rules on what behaviour and/or content that gets your community quarantined. I am not seeing that - I'm seeing something completely subjective, arbitrary, and implicit. I get dealing with racists must be a pain, because the exact same power you use to curb down their stupid discourse can (and will) be used elsewhere. But isn't it the case to, you know, simply banning those subs?

So, in other words, you are just going to arbitrarily censor subs that have content you dont like, hence why r/fullcommunism is quarantined but r/the_donald is not. Thank you for proving our point.

So basically "we're going to make communities we find offensive or disagree with unavailable to view to the general public unless you directly look it up?"

After 6874 comments nobody is going to read this one, but I have to say it: Listnook, I'm an adult, I have been one for a long time now and I don't need anyone to policy what I read or see.

Frankly, I don't understand why you would want a middle ground between banned and allowed. If you're not comfortable taking a sublistnook down, how do you justify limiting it?

Sadly, listnook has been going downhill and deviating from its original form faster and faster these days. There should be no banning or censorship of any sublistnooks unless illegal activities are being promoted or conducted. We don't need a central authority to dictate what we get to see or not see, that's for us, the users to decide. I'm enjoying this site less and less exponentially, it's simply gotten too political and the echo chamber situation has been turned up to 9000% with all these "healthy website" campaigns.

This will not border on political censorship, correct? As you know, other social media platforms have been under fire for censoring those with political affiliation. It's one thing to silence a group for being a bunch of fools that intend to disrupt people's lives and another thing entirely to censor someone as the result of some politically-biased agenda, even though they do blend together at times. In any case, I do hope you take some level of caution with this updated "quarantine system" regarding such topics.

First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a socialist. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a trade unionist. Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a Jew. Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

This is stupid. The internet worked just fine before thin-skinned pussies started censoring anything even slightly "offensive".

Is there a list of which subs you quarantined? I want to sub to most of them or at the least, have them all visible so you don't get to pick and choose what you think I might be offended by, thanks.

Just a reminder that censorship never stops at one point. If you're willing to let it happen to others don't be surprised if it happens to you.

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I sincerely hope that one day you will realize the true danger of censoring ideas with which you disagree. This policy has made this platform even more of a joke than it’s already become. It is truly sad that you all have destroyed what could have been a real asset to society. Instead, we’re now relegated to groupthink controlled by a few. In a feeble attempt to fight against fascism, you have created something which is now fascist in and of itself. Great work.

I will never buy a single product I see advertised on this website. If you are a company purchasing AD space from listnook I will go out of my way to buy from your competitors. If you're going to ruin my favorite website in order to make yourselves more AD revenue, than I'll do everything I can to undermine that effort.

This quarantine is an attempt at forcing ideological conformity. It's intellectual intimidation.

Why was /r/TheRedPill quarantined? Whatever your opinion on the content might be, it was a well moderated sub that kept itself insular. From my few years subscribed to the sub I saw ZERO evidence of brigading while /r/The_Donald has some sort of brigade every week. I'm not even saying /r/The_Donald should be quarantined. The more freedom of speech the better. But I don't get how that sub can frequently break the listnook terms of service and get off scot free while /r/TheRedPill gets quarantined. The Red Pill helped me become a better man. I was a young man who had just gone through a terrible breakup and the sublistnook helped me pick myself up off of my feet, then build myself both physically, spiritually, and mentally. There aren't many spaces online where men can talk amongst themselves about their issues. I implore you to reconsider. I genuinely believe the sublistnook has saved lives. Many young men come to the sub depressed with their lives and the red pill has supplies them with advice and the tools to change their lives.

Listnook is one of the most censored mainstream websites up right now lol, "open and diverse" are you out of your f****** mind. Quarantine policy is a form of censorship lol

Censorship if I've ever seen it. Don't like it? Just report it and we'll hide it from everyone so no one else will ever have to see it. Thanks, Big Brother.

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So now Listnook treats its readers as children who are incapable of figuring out what is what and who is who. Wonderful. *Dear reader, you are entering a big bad sub full of big bad evils, do not enter it! Please read our Party-approved materials! By the way, we screwed up our official app (which you downloaded to get rid of whiny pop-ups) yet again, so you will never see any quarantined stuff from your mobile! This is for your safety, good reader! Be a good drone and do what we say!* And would anyone please explain me why I should bother to read 'positive masculinity' materials written by Michael Kimmel, who left his UN Women's Rights campaigner position because of - I kid you not - sexual harassment? Did you just endorse [this man?](https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2018/aug/15/us-womens-rights-campaigner-accused-of-sexual-harassment)

What a load of censorshit. How the f*** can you remove access to a sub I’m already a subscribed member of? Knowing damn well most users are on mobile and it’s a major deterrent to them going to enable on desktop, Every f****** week we see additional subs banned/ quarantined. This site has went to shit. I hope someone is ready to step up and be the website Listnook could’ve been. “Front page of the internet” ....please by the time this censorship is done the only links leading to Listnook will be to post like this!

>Quarantined communities generate no revenue Does that mean that you will not be able to give or receive gold on quarantined sublistnooks ?

What level of transparency can we expect from the appeal process?

I'm all for quarantining for offensive content but you guys are crossing the line quarantining certain sublistnooks for purely ideological reasons and trying to force positive masculinity written by a man who was convicted of sexual harassment at his own University shame on all of you who run Listnook.. besides become nothing but a far-left sjw shill of its former glory

At the risk of being flamed... /r/blackcrime: quarantined -> banned, 14 hours ago /r/salted_crime: public, untouched How is that okay? edit: Reported [6 days ago](https://www.listnook.com/message/messages/dcq0da) to /r/listnook.com. edit 2: adding the mod's other subs to the list and one other random one /r/bad_whitey - /r/whiteycrime - /r/TrueWhiteCrime edit 3: /r/mayo_town was just quarantined

So given the amount of people who say that /r/The_Donald is offensive, why isnt it a quarantined community? > Quarantined communities generate no revenue Say no more.

A fair number of the confirmed quarantined sublistnooks, proposed sublistnooks for quarantining or sublistnooks being pushed for outright banning that I have seen appear to either promote or encourage bachelorhood as a lifestyle choice or allows discussion from single men struggling to find a partner under what I would think is a rationale that such a lifestyle choice or community is deemed toxic, misogynistic and dehumanising by both the left and right wing. Will there be an official response in relation to what appears to be a clampdown and action against bachelor sublistnooks on Listnook?

I'm honestly on the fence about Quarantining. Granted listnook is a company that cares about it's image, and it's a good excuse for something like /r/spacedicks which is something you definitely should not see unless you were looking for it, however since it's been quarantined, that sub has pretty much died, and I think just because someone (or even most people) disagrees with the content doesn't mean it should be smothered until it's gone. I still see Listnook as a free-speech website, a place where you used to be able to find anything and everything, and a place where the unpopular opinion could have a voice and sometimes even an intelligent discussion. I know T_D was basically a troll sub, which sucks because I can't tell anyone I'm a trump supporter without them genuinely thinking I'm a racist homophobe circle jerking moron (I have my reasons, but people are so passionately against the guy they won't even hear me out), and I get a lot of recent listnook censorship is trying to justify the reason they're bad and prevent future similar situations, but I think killing what made me fall in love with listnook is the wrong choice. Quarantining is a step in the right direction, sure, but with the death of spacedicks I'm not sure it is the right direction, yet. Listnook was a great outlet to find stuff you couldn't find anywhere else, and it's steered away from that. Sometimes I like to pop my head into the crazy and extreme simply to try and understand it and broaden my horizons. My only suggestion is to focus on brigading and other forms of sub bleeding (example, removing fatpeoplehate just caused it to flood everywhere else), but still allow these communities to exist in their own pocket where they can be easily found by curious or like minded people, so they don't die like spacedicks did.

Who juges what is offensive or what is not? Religion, politics, seduction techniques, economy, UFOs, parenting, sex, art,...? Who are you to decide which sublistnook is Good and which one is Wrong? You are not God my friend.

Aaron Swartz would be rolling in his grave at the disgusting parody of an open platform for discourse that this site has become. I will be here to make it as unpleasant and "toxic" as possible for the babies who actually think it should be like this, and hopefully I will be here to see an announcement that listnook is shutting down.

tfw free speech is just limited speech Seriously though, I hate how protective the world is becoming. "He hurt my feelings, daddy help!" Boo-f******-hoo, sweetheart. Like holy shit, it's like people forgot to grow the hell up.

This is good news. I have a very sensitive intellect. So having to see other people who think or feel differently than me causes undo anxiety. Censorship is always the best policy.

So let me get this straight, there aren't ads on r/the_donald as to not offend the advertisers who do business with Listnook. There are ads on r/Games though, so I'm being fed ads so that Listnook can generate revenue. Content that has lead to assaults, racism, propaganda and much more is allowed to be hosted for free. Yet if I want to check up on the latest gaming news, television shows, music or movies, ads are being fed to me. Get your shit together, Listnook