I wonder if either of them said, “One of these days…”
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Jaggs0Apr 17, 2026
+166
david draiman is a d*****. i had backstage passes to ozzfest in 2000. i was standing on the side of the stage and he tried standing in front of my shorter friend. my friend was like 5' 5", draiman was just as little taller. so i, 6' 1" swapped with him. a few minutes later draiman moved in front of my friend again. so i swapped with him again. it happened like 3 more times over the course of whatever bands set it was. real class act
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ScratchyMarston18Apr 17, 2026
+85
I was working on a sound crew back in the early 2000s and I’ll confirm that he’s a d*****. Some musicians are absolute gems to work with. He was/is not one of them. One of my mentors that I was working with at the time wanted to, and I quote, “stab him in the neck so it doesn’t kill him but he can never sing again, *if you wanna call it that.*”
This guy had worked with so many different huge talents over the years, including Whitney Houston, Queen, just about any classic country artist active in the 70s and 80s, and he said Draiman was on his top five worst list that he’d ever experienced. Dude is a f****** diva. Go make some dog noises, dickhead.
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Wolfwoods_SisterApr 17, 2026
+22
I love lived experience stories like these. Your mentor sounded funny and cool AF. Tysm for sharing.
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supercleverhandle476Apr 17, 2026
+51
I won tickets to see them from the local radio station with backstage passes/hang out with the band around their 3rd/4th album. Their shtick was getting old for me at the time, but I figured what the hell. Might be a fun night?
My roommate and I get to the venue, head to the box office and meet someone from the radio station.
He looks us over and gets real awkward. “Sorry guys, David isn’t available to meet you.”
It seemed pretty transparent that he meant “if you were young girls instead of two dudes in their 20’s, he’d make the time.”
I said “oh don’t worry about it, I don’t Want to meet him either.”
Radio guy gets a little dickish “well then why are you here?”
“The tickets were free. If I had anything else to do tonight I would have stayed home.”
Walked in, and left halfway through.
F*** those guys.
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Terj_SankianApr 17, 2026
+24
great comeback to the radio dickhead! f*** that guy
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OatmealApocalypseApr 17, 2026
+92
signing messages on bombs is just about the most anti-music concept i can think of
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Wraith693Apr 17, 2026
+40
Ugh I love Disturbed’s music growing up, now I can listen to it without remembering this guy is a POS…
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Jaggs0Apr 17, 2026
+32
could be worse, you could have been a fan of lost prophets
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Team7UBardApr 17, 2026
+25
Could be worse, could STILL be a fan of lostprophets
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wfbhpApr 17, 2026
+8
Iced Earth was one of my favorite bands growing up. I learned that Jon Schaffer (guitarist, lyricist) was a founding member of the Oath Keepers when he was the first person to plead guilty in the Trump insurrection. I don't know where he lost the thread, but him being a part of the far-right domestic terrorist movement was not in any way compatible with what I liked and took from his music and lyrics.
I hadn't followed them since about 2002, after Matt Barlow left the band as singer because I could never stand anyone else they brought in. I don't know if his later lyrics gave any indication of his views that would have sent up red flags for me or not; I still like the music of theirs from Barlow's era, but it's hard to listen to without getting pissed at Jon. Finding that out about him felt like a personal betrayal.
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Samwise-42Apr 18, 2026
+3
They put out The Glorious Burden with Owens shortly after, and that was my initial intro to the band, but a lot of the patriotic chest thumping in the lyrics rubbed me the wrong way even back then. I tried giving the Barlow era a try but still kinda felt like Jon's lyrics sucked and left them behind. Finding out he was a Jan 6er and An Oath Keeper just reaffirmed the weird vibe I'd gotten.
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wfbhpApr 18, 2026
+2
Yeah, Horror Show was the last album I listened to. Liking their music and loving horror movies and literature, I really liked that album. When Glorious Burden came out, I tried to listen to a couple songs but I just can't stand Ripper's voice, so I never even made it through listening to a full song from that album, let alone examining the lyrics. Prior to that, I'd always enjoyed their incorporation of fantasy and horror themes as well as the general theme of being critical of religion and oppressive authority that ran through a lot of his lyrics.
But as it turns out, he was just full of shit, and his bizarre interpretation of ideas like "patriotism" and "freedom" culminated in joining an attempted coup to overturn a legitimate election in favor of the world's biggest grifter and liar. I'd never looked into his personal life before, as I very usually don't with musicians (this post is the first I'm hearing about any of this stuff about Draiman as well). Finding out he was not only in but actually a founding member of one of the anti-government militias I've spent basically my whole life criticizing and railing against as dangerous lunatics was shocking to say the least.
The things I liked in his music were not at all conservative values, and how he could possibly look at Trump and think he was any kind of advocate of freedom and liberty, let alone any other "American" value or general good principle, is so far beyond me it hurts my head. Given he converted to Christianity after Jan 6 and is now all Jesusy, I have to believe he actually changed a lot between when I liked his stuff and now, because otherwise I can't reconcile the themes in his music in the 90s and very early 2000s with what I know about him now. Even if I read him wrong from the start, the things I found for myself in his music were still valuable to me, but as a person, he can absolutely go f*** himself. Even if he had something new out, and even if *somehow* I liked it, I'd never knowingly give him another dime. Frankly, it would have been fine with me if he'd spent the rest of his life in prison. The fact that he was out before the mass traitor-pardon really pissed me off.
I also liked Disturbed a lot since shortly before they released their first album, though I can't say I've really listened to anything new from them since The Lost Children, which would be 2011. It just all started to sound like the same thing so I quit bothering with the new stuff and just left my old favorites in rotation. Seeing this stuff about Draiman kind of makes me glad I didn't keep up with them either.
I also liked a couple Lostprophets songs from their 2003 album but never followed them beyond that or knew anything about the band members, and I didn't hear about their singer until after he was killed in prison. So, another one I'm glad I didn't keep up with. Honestly, it feels like the more I learn about anybody who is behind something creative I like, the worse my life becomes because everybody just sucks.
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Rapiers-DelightApr 17, 2026
+2
Uh! What! What! What! What?
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quarantina2020Apr 17, 2026
+70
Yeah I saw them at ozfest in 2006 and draiman said some stuff that let me know his politics were along those lines. I stopped listening to his band after that.
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Garden-MirrorApr 17, 2026
+30
I remember he identified as a libertarian.
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JasonVorheheesApr 17, 2026
+73
So, an idiot
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Tough-Copy7569Apr 17, 2026
+20
Or republican in denial, take your pick.
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Far_Confusion_2178Apr 17, 2026
+42
AKA “I’m too p**** to fully out myself being Republican”
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RiffsaladApr 17, 2026
+7
Nah the libertarians of back then became today’s republicans unfortunately.
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livy-aureliaApr 17, 2026
+25
they were always republicans.
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Competition-DapperApr 19, 2026
+2
Republicans without the guise of Christianity
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Local_Web_8219Apr 18, 2026
+5
I remember hearing one of his interviews on WCYY in Maine in the early oughts, iirc Draiman went on an anti Palestine tirade that consisted of “there’s no country called Palestine”, and other dismissals of the Palestinian and Jordanian people. He’s ALWAYS been a piece of shit racist.
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AutoModSuxApr 18, 2026
+1
They haven't released a new song since 2006 so you're good
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ja21121Apr 17, 2026
+52
A while back, I got to know a pretty big metal band that toured with Disturbed. They had not one good thing to say about Draiman.
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basedaudiosolutionsApr 17, 2026
+9
Alright now I want to know the band that’s talking shit about Draiman so I can go buy all their merch.
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TheMeticulousNinjaApr 17, 2026
+145
“And here I was open to dialogue, even with someone I so deeply disagree with.”
You little bald, bomb-signing b**** you *just* said you were going to punch him in the face when you see him
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OnwardToEnnuiApr 17, 2026
+9
Sometime around 2003 I saw the Disturbed in an interview on Much Music. Dave was such a d*** to the interviewer the rest of the band looked like they wanted to crawl out of frame.
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ruby651Apr 17, 2026
+50
So this Draiman a****** says he was “open to dialogue? “ Didn’t he threaten to beat up Roger Waters in the original podcast?
When Corgan posed the hypothetical situation of Waters asking to sit down and talk with Draiman, the heavy metal singer retorted, “I’d have to punch him first, but yeah.”
What a lying, racist piece of shit.
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bigstrizzydadApr 17, 2026
+94
And Roger's correct.
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I_am_the_BEEFApr 17, 2026
+40
“Even a broken clock is right twice a day.”
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PeasantLichApr 17, 2026
+3
Yeah, Roger Waters has some peak tankie lunacy takes like projecting his admiration of Cold War anti-imperialism and Soviet anti-fascism to modern Putin's Russia.
But here he is right.
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Aron_WolffApr 17, 2026
+43
But he’s still an a****** who’s some pretty terrible things.
Both these guys are terrible.
Waters just less so. But not much.
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SignificantBerry8591Apr 17, 2026
+4
What makes Rogers so bad? Curious
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reddpapadApr 17, 2026
+46
He blames anyone other than Russia for starting the war in Ukraine. Almost pro Russia.
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No_Armadillo426Apr 17, 2026
+20
He is inarguably pro-Russia.
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ThatguyfromMichiganApr 17, 2026
+9
He’s also pro-Palestine, but is so blanket in his criticisms of Israel that he’s even criticized tributes to the victims of October 7, and has been accused by his own former bandmate David Gilmour of being an anti-Semite.
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overandoverandagainApr 18, 2026
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Anyone who has followed Waters for a decent amount of time understands he is absolutely antisemitic. He doesn't even try to hide it lol.
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000negApr 17, 2026
+15
The way he treated Richard Wright! Kicking him out cause he wasn't contributing enough then hiring him back as a touring musician. F*** Roger.
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panicatthepharmacyApr 17, 2026
+6
But Rick *wasn’t* contributing, even Gilmour concedes that point.
PF were in horrible financial shape, and the record company offered a significant bonus if The Wall was released prior to Christmas. When asked to come back from vacation early to speed up the recording process, Rick’s response was “tell Roger to f*** off.”
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000negApr 17, 2026
Should have kicked Mason out as well cause what was he contributing song or lyric wise. Between you and me wright was more PF sound with his array of keys and tape loops etc than Roger every will with his shitty bass playing. Dude wasn't even the best bassist in the band
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panicatthepharmacyApr 17, 2026
+3
We have to agree to disagree on this one, I guess. Mason’s drumming on The Wall was solid, and he was heavily involved with the sound effects as well.
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000negApr 17, 2026
+5
Yeah no doubt. I just think Roger is a d***** and find it funny since Richard was a hired hand he made money on the wall tour while the rest lost money if I'm not mistaken.
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panicatthepharmacyApr 17, 2026
+6
No matter which side you’re on in the PF debate, Wright out-earning the other three on The Wall tour is an absolutely epic fact.
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BruceForsyth55Apr 17, 2026
+10
He fucks for Putin. He simps for Russia and blames Ukraine. He’s scum and always has been.
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regeyaApr 18, 2026
+2
Pro-Putin, pro-Chinese government
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guitman27Apr 17, 2026
+2
Roger has the right on when it comes to Israeli treatment of Palestine. But he's also known to be a bit of an \*actual\* anti-semite. He's been accused by Dave Gilmour of this. Ok, could be sour grapes from Pink Floyd.
He's also been accused of this by former members of his solo touring band. And legendary producer Bob Ezrin.
Waters also has licked Vladimir Putin's boots, basically saying Ukraine was asking for the Russian invasion.
To me, one accusation does not a truth make. Three accusations...that's harder to ignore.
Waters isn't wrong to be anti-Israel. But it feels like he's anti-Israel because he's an anti-Semite and not because their government is run by a bunch of ghouls hellbent on wiping Palestinians from history.
Also note that this isn't a defense of David Draimon, either. He sucks just as bad.
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grosvenoraveApr 17, 2026
-18
He doesn't appreciate a good genocide
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YomminationApr 18, 2026
+1
Yet he supports Russia
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SoulMacheteApr 17, 2026
-26
His opinions on some things are different than other people’s opinions on some things
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Terminator7786Apr 18, 2026
+1
He talked shit about Ozzy literally right after he died. F*** Roger Waters.
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guitar_manivApr 17, 2026
+7
My stepdad is a musician and was in the same bar circuit when Disturbed was slowly coming up. So naturally, as a stout bald man with a goatee, he got referred to as David Draiman a lot. He met the band once and said everyone was super nice....*except*....for Draiman. My stepdad is a really good judge of character so from then on I knew that guy was just full of shit.
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Schwight_DrootApr 17, 2026
+40
Disturbed was never a good band. Just another novelty band from the early 2000s that’s slowly fading away into the bargain bins at a shitty truck stop.
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danyellsahnApr 17, 2026
+16
I always thought these clowns were a f****** joke
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allthefishinthelakeApr 18, 2026
+7
Dave Draiman is one of the most selfish arrogant, self-righteous, annoying and insufferable people I have ever met in the music industry and that says a lot I met interviewed and worked with hundreds and hundreds he’s pretty sure he is the most important person that has ever existed in the industry
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deathxcannabisApr 17, 2026
+55
Shithead fights with Shithead.
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chickensaltandpepperApr 17, 2026
+26
One is from Pink Floyd the other Oh, ah-ah-ah-ah
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xRONZOxApr 17, 2026
+12
I misread this as shithead fights with skinhead.
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acidsplashedfaceApr 17, 2026
+24
Waters may be a d*** but Waters is right, Draiman is a genocidal piece of shit. Pink Floyd was dope. Disturbed was embarrassing and cringey back when I was 13.
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Nasty_GoblinApr 17, 2026
+13
Waters is rooting for Russia, so, he’s just as big of shitstain as Draiman.
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comb_overApr 17, 2026
+3
Waters has repeatedly stated that while the invasion was illegal, it was provoked by NATO "pushing right up to the Russian border".
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Happy_Childhood3080Apr 17, 2026
-3
Yeah, Waters’ views on it are a bit more nuanced than the comments in here would lead you to believe.
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Tough-Copy7569Apr 17, 2026
+3
It still heavily sounds like Russian propaganda.
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Happy_Childhood3080Apr 17, 2026
-2
I don’t think Waters is getting paid by Russia, which is what I’ve seen some people imply.
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YomminationApr 18, 2026
+3
He doesn't need to be paid. He says stupid false shit on his own
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Blacknite45Apr 19, 2026
+1
They literally invited him to be a speaker for them at a un security council thing.
Just because it's he follows the current trend that doesn't mean Rodger waters history of being a piece of shit should be dismissed
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Nasty_GoblinApr 18, 2026
-1
That is literally nonsense Russian propaganda, not ‘nuance’ lol.
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non_Beneficial-WindApr 18, 2026
+3
Waters with some excellent insight for once lately.
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BrainfoggynelsonApr 18, 2026
+3
Never thought I'd agree with Waters... but here we are.
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Bryandan1elsonV2Apr 17, 2026
+17
One guy did sign bombs dropped on kids and the other just has some really dumb opinions sometimes.. so…
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comb_overApr 17, 2026
+5
He's antiwar and considers russias invasion as illegal
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Happy_Childhood3080Apr 17, 2026
-2
But that’s not what Listnookors have told me.
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Reeko_HtownApr 17, 2026
+11
Rodger is so right here even Gilmore agrees
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Winter-Metal-9797Apr 17, 2026
+2
He went easy on him
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Unusual-Ad4890Apr 17, 2026
+2
Roger is obnoxious, but he's not the one writing autographs on the bombs being dumped on Palestinians.
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ChrisPollock6Apr 17, 2026
+3
What would you rather smell, puke 🤮 or shit 💩 ?
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El-Supreme-0Apr 17, 2026
+3
Oh no! Two old rich guys calling one another names! .... anyway...
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MacDuginApr 17, 2026
+1
Who really gives a shit what Roger thinks.
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MyLastHopeRedditApr 17, 2026
+2
Roger "putin's wh\*\*e" Waters say what?
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Door_Number_FourApr 17, 2026
+1
Two of the biggest assholes the Chicago music scene ever produced.
And we have produced a LOT of them.
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CygnetC0mmitteeApr 17, 2026
+10
Roger Waters is english?
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reddpapadApr 17, 2026
+5
Corgan and Draiman I’m guessing.
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SourPatch2099Apr 17, 2026
+1
Roger is the lesser of of two evils this time.
Its nice being able to say that
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Objective-Lab5179Apr 17, 2026
+1
The worst thing Draiman can do is to cover a Pink Floyd song.
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CaliggyJackApr 18, 2026
+1
Daily reminder Waters openly supports Trump's attack on Iran.
They're both awful people.
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ZAWS20XXApr 18, 2026
+1
correct, as usual
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Less-Load-8856Apr 18, 2026
+1
Waters is still a repulsive piece of shit.
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regeyaApr 18, 2026
+1
D***** correctly calls out another d*****
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Blacknite45Apr 19, 2026
+1
The fact people in the comments are pretending Waters isn't known for ridiculously antisemitic is hilarious
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Designer-String3569Apr 17, 2026
-4
Putin's lapdog has opinions.
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Fluffy_Judge_581Apr 17, 2026
German here i don't know who this peopel are can you explain
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PendraconicaApr 17, 2026
+13
David Draiman is the singer of Disturbed and has many bigoted opinions. Billy Corgan of the smashing pumpkins interviewed him and gave his opinions a platform, to which Roger Waters, singer of Pink Floyd, responded with some ire of his own.
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MyAccountWasBanned7Apr 17, 2026
+5
Draiman goes further than having bigoted opinions - he actively endorses genocide. He personally signed the bombs Netanyahu dropped on children in Gaza.
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baltetc1Apr 17, 2026
+1
A classic clash of egos
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Otherwise_Carob_4057Apr 17, 2026
+1
Dude is literally trying to figure out a way to replace production workers he won’t let organize with his horseshit Optimus robot. He can’t be told his ideas don’t scale and are dumb so now all his companies are straining to stay profitable. He is saying this because he probably wants to make his own crypto for UBI that he can pump and dump.
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GraphiteJasonApr 17, 2026
+1
What if they just simultaneously 5 finger death punched each other...2 problems solved with one punch.
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loyaloneApr 17, 2026
+1
Seems about right to me... pro-war threatens anti-war. One who has probably never suffered personal loss to war vs one who has.
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awjeezrickyaknowApr 18, 2026
+1
Pot calls kettle black ahh moment
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DocDerryApr 17, 2026
-1
Wait - does Roger think they're friends? He sure thinks they share a lot in common.
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OnionPastorApr 17, 2026
Two complete douchebags fighting
Don’t need to take a side, you’re siding with trash either way.
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CHobbes_Apr 17, 2026
-3
Pot. Kettle. Black
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BruceForsyth55Apr 17, 2026
Both are into genocide just different peoples.
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HutSutRawlsonApr 17, 2026
[Takes one to know one I guess](https://www.theguardian.com/music/2023/sep/28/roger-waters-accused-of-repeated-antisemitism-in-new-documentary)
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xorascapeApr 17, 2026
The headline takes a drastic turn after the first four words.
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ThadiusThistleberryApr 17, 2026
Disturbed is an embarrassment to music. Billy Corgan is a known turd. It’s sad people even give them attention.
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YabbatownApr 17, 2026
Between Drainman's support for Israel and Waters constantly making up excuses for Russia, I'd be pretty happy if they just ran at each other with landmines strapped to their chests (like russia makes African mercenaries do, which Roger Waters would blame on anyone but the russians who did it).
Drainam and Bibi vs Waters and putin is a fight where I want everyone to lose, and lose really hard.
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Scary-Pirate-8900Apr 18, 2026
They should duel at dawn
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Lost-Calligrapher375Apr 17, 2026
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Who is Roger Waters?
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Turbulent-Agent9634Apr 17, 2026
+13
Just another brick in the wall
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_Badwulf_Bruh__Apr 17, 2026
+22
He was in a little obscure band years ago
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cepukonApr 17, 2026
+19
You could even say they were *Obscured By Clouds*
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Lost-Calligrapher375Apr 17, 2026
+4
Well, wish them well!
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Nervous_Squirrel_Apr 17, 2026
+12
Pink Floyd’s bassist, vocalist and songwriter.
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No_Recognition_9354Apr 17, 2026
+5
Then what does Floyd do if this guy is the vocalist
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Lost-Calligrapher375Apr 17, 2026
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Thank You!
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ZestyChinchillaApr 17, 2026
*One of* Pink Floyd’s singers, songwriters and bassists. Davis Gilmour played a lot of the bass on Floyd albums because Roger was often too busy f****** around with all the latest synth gear in the studio.
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Lost-Calligrapher375Apr 17, 2026
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They good?
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darksideofthemoon131Apr 17, 2026
+5
He's just some guy from a band that had mild success in the 70s. Some say he has brain damage from exposure to the dark side of the moon.
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