Russia and China veto UN resolution to reopen Strait of Hormuz

Trump won’t agree to that unless the $2m per ship goes directly to his bank account

The US doesn’t have the right to bomb them into submission either, but that’s the problem when countries subscribe to “might makes right”. It’s why we have international laws even if they’re not enforceable, to try and forge a better path. But the US voted for bullies so here we are.

Look I'm pissed off about the strait being closed, but why does Iran not have the right to exercise whatever power they have when a considerably more powerful nation decides to attack them? Closing the strait is a way to try and get the rest of the world, especially US allies, to try and talk sense into the aggressor of the conflict. I'm not saying in any way btw that they have the kind of moral high ground as a nation state that say, Ukraine does when it comes to the conflict with Russia, but they're being held at gunpoint by two much more powerful states and they're utilising the only meaningful leverage they have to avoid being indiscriminately bombed, while at the same time trying to create a rift between the US and its allies. It's not like they have a history of routinely threatening other nations with closing the strait either. This is 100% the fault of the US and Israel.

We could also make a resolution forcing the US and Israel to stop the attack they initiated, pay reparations, and compromise on not doing it again. That might also reopen the strait, with zero deaths needed 🤔

You. might not consider it a war, but they do. Worse, they take it as a war for their survival. They will do anything necessary to win. Will you? Will you send half a million soldiers to take over Iran for years to calm it down, install new government? I did not think so. Thats why you lost.

Turns out nation states under a theocratic military dictatorship don't respond well to existential threats and repeat bombing by a global superpower. They are certainly not going to adhere to whatever rights that superpower says they do or do not have. Iran, just like Turkey with the Bosporus, has a very powerful strategic bottleneck. Any idiot with a history book could've told you what was going to happen if you start bombing them.

Technically would be part of their territorial water. Iran isn’t a party to UNCLOS, anyway the resolution would need to include something that stops Israel or US attack on a sovereign country. if we want to enforce any international law that should take precedent.

During war its not UNCLOS but LOAC. So the lesson here is don't start/support wars if you want to have normal shipping. Who would have thought?

Oh the issue is this veto reinforces in internationalists who are in favour of interventionism (neocons) why the UN is useless and will lead to more aggressive actions in future. Because the reality is this is the UN failing to enforce its charter (all straits must not be tolled and open for free use by all nations). Iran is also targeting the shipping of all nations then blaming the US. Regardless of feelings about Trumps warcrime extavagamza, lets not minimize Irans.

China is seeing their greatest rival, America, greatly reduce their soft and hard power. That’s worth more than the price of oil.  Further NATO and the traditional western alliances are splintering. 

And its always forgotten by analist but also sulfuric acid, the chemical the most used in the world, 50% of the global production come through Hormuz. It will impact lot of industries, including everything electric, battery, power grid.

and remember the Second World War started because no one stood up to a nation early allowing them to do more and more… I don’t think America has gone full Germany yet but boy are they signalling it these days.  Cuba, Greenland, Canada, Venezuela, Iran… threatening everybody. 

UN is anyway very biased and no one will care if they will not greenlight a nuclear strike. How Carney said? Depends on who is the perpetuator and who is the victim? This is actually the problem with the UN for far too long.

In that case, it is no problem having superpowers veto any and every plan. It's basically a glorified discussion group and in that sense it serves it's purpose, I agree with you in that regard. But it is not how members try to use it and it is not how António Guterres talks about it in the media.

Russia and China also didn't attack them or are allies of the countries that did. So what is even your point?