Brexit. Scotish seperatism. Anything that stokes division, Russia is right there. Current US regime is also included in that.
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noir_lord6 days ago
+26
Yep, the US (or some of it's citizens, usually the worst ones) are balls deep in f****** with our national political life/reproductive freedoms.
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Oprah_Pwnfrey5 days ago
+3
Also the Caledonian separatists, and the Cascadia movement, both heavily backed by Russia. The Cascadia movement in western Canada was created by a Russian who fled back to Russia once found out.
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The_Mythical_Wampus6 days ago
+5
Question what is Alberta, going as landlocked country?
Smip for access to international waterways from Canada?
Ask the us for better overland trade deals?
Is there a single landlocked country that has a good economy?
* Sorry forgot about Switzerland & Austria. But they also has to rely on good relationships with their neighbors or at least hold all their bag$, lol.
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HistoryNerd846 days ago
+11
Albertan here, most separatists would be perfectly fine having the US as our only market. In fact joining the US is the desired outcome of a few of them, and they have apparently been in talks with US officials to get support. Big old idiotic mess if you ask me, but it sure is fun living in the North American version of the Donbas.
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The_Mythical_Wampus5 days ago
+2
Thank you for the perspective. It seems like most hard right the separatist here; they haven't a clue how the broader market and economies function in an ecosystem. And likely how much they rely on major metro area tax dollars to subsidized their way of life.
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HistoryNerd845 days ago
+2
You're welcome! 100% agree. One of the big 'selling features' here is if Alberta leaves Canada, there would be no federal taxes to pay, so everyone would be richer. How that makes sense to anyone is beyond me, but I guess I'm just not their target audience.
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The_Mythical_Wampus5 days ago
+2
Everyone hates the taxman, but loves to complain when the sewer backs up. Call it a mandatory premium and were good for some reason.
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foxtik365 days ago
+1
Oil
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The_Mythical_Wampus5 days ago
+1
Yes but the US seems to be protectionist in our country. Also is the oil being processed or just sent along? I bet the average worker isn't sitting on their own personal oil field. So is just a case of the few getting the many to simp over "a free Alberta" well they become exploited labors?
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ruskyandrei6 days ago
+65
Same in Europe. Hell, the US made it clear it's their national strategy or w/e to disrupt the EU.
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noir_lord6 days ago
+24
Yep, UK has a serious problem with them as well since they are funding political parties directly via their billionaires, overtly interfering with our political life and groups (mostly from the US) trying to roll back womens reproductive freedoms.
ADF (Alliance Defending Freedom) and the like have their shitty little fingers in all sorts of things.
To say it pisses me off would be something of an understatement.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx2dl5j0w23o
We very clearly need to make foreign interference in our political life outright illegal *and f****** enforce it*.
There are some signs we are heading that way https://www.gov.uk/government/news/cap-on-donations-from-overseas-electors-and-ban-on-crypto-donations-to-protect-democracy
I'm not real interested in the opinions of Americans about my country on anything at this point and especially not interested in "Christian" Americans and f****** Billionaires.
We aren't the US and most of *do not want to be*.
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Sea-Horror-53536 days ago
+2
Not to sound dumb, but what exactly do the political parties do with that money that makes them more successful/bigger threats? I assume its not as simple as "they print more signs and people vote for whatever sign they see the most" or "they buy more advertisement and people vote for whatever ad they see the most". Is there like any kind of research-based estimate of how much money they are spending per each vote? I just dont understand.
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syrup_and_snow6 days ago
+2
From my uneducated opinion it seems like a larger budget means more advertising via email campaigns, printed media/billboards etc, more logistical abilities (could fly everywhere compared to say a bus) so more chances to do interviews, rallys, garner more facetime with the public. More information circulating as a whole makes it easier to direct your narrative and in turn public opinion by helping push particular things that help you or can minimize the damage from scandles by limiting how long it circulates.
Also you don't have to necessarily "buy"the votes, convincing people not to vote or that the other side is just as bad has defintiely seen sucess in elections.
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leostotch5 days ago
+1
Repeat things often enough, loud enough, and people will believe them. More money allows one to increase the frequency and volume of the things, and thus, influence more and more people to believe them.
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sg19point36 days ago
+8
As a Ukrainian I can 100% believe russia is behind it, and having russian in the White House makes sense US is there too.
As long as there is so called russian federation, there will be sabotage, election interference, assassinations etc. When it disapears as Soviet Union did, things will calm down everywhere, Europe, middle East, Africa, and even US !
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TPCC1596 days ago
+45
Canadians should stop using American websites and social media platforms
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Haru1st6 days ago
+16
Unrealistic, but you can expose the malicious ones and amplify messaging factually debunking their misinformation.
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coder_doode6 days ago
+14
Or skip straight to sedition charges for Canadians that repeat the message.
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Haru1st6 days ago
Charges don’t do much. Convictions for factually proven infringements however…
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coder_doode6 days ago
+6
Charging people is the first step in the process.
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Haru1st6 days ago
Sure, ‘s long it’s not just the one step that’s taken.
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TPCC1596 days ago
+2
It’s not unrealistic. They shouldn’t want American companies to have their data anyways
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Haru1st6 days ago
+7
All I’m saying is it’s very difficult to convince a large portion of any society to agree on something, let alone the entirety of it.
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DrHalibutMD6 days ago
+3
American owned social media company? You’re soaking in it!
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OpeningTechnical58846 days ago
+1
It's not unrealistic to avoid 90% of the internet?
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catscanmeow5 days ago
+1
If the EU could force apple to adopt USB-C then anything is possible
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OpeningTechnical58845 days ago
+1
A government entity forcing a single company to follow regulations is a bit different than a national boycot of the majority of the internet.
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artful_codger6 days ago
+16
Nothing stopping Canada and the EU from funding or at least supporting Texan or Californian secessionist movements.
What's good for the goose...
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ThePirateKing016 days ago
+10
Or pushing for Democratic candidates that mean to fight back, let’s be real
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Morbid_Aversion6 days ago
+6
I'm not sure Canada or Europe benefit from further chaos and insanity coming out of the US though.
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SenorEquilibrado4 days ago
+1
A balkanized USA is probably the best thing for the world at large, at least for the next few decades.
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ElScientifico086 days ago
+4
CBS did a great investigation on how a lot of these pro separatist YouTubers are paid actors and the parent company is from the Netherlands.
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willanthony6 days ago
+5
It feels like Russia is doing this as retaliation for Canada's support for Ukraine
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Kan4lZ0n36 days ago
+4
Russia has been doing the same thing in the U.S., specifically among primed audiences in American South like [Texas since the early 2010s.](https://www.houstonpublicmedia.org/articles/news/2017/10/23/243991/examining-how-a-russian-troll-factory-pushed-texas-secession/?amp=1) The dynamics and target audiences are similar.
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spacewithoutstars5 days ago
+2
Acts of War. Call it what it is.
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Frosty-Stand57525 days ago
+2
Crazy how US is now a bully superpower alongside china and russia.
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jjskellie6 days ago
+3
Trump overt and public? Okay, but he thinks he's silently and deadly.
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Fayzgirl6 days ago
+2
How sad we’re officially one of The Bad Guys. FU MAGA
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MrTeeWrecks6 days ago
+1
What the hell does the US gain from that?
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ScientistNational3635 days ago
+1
Canada should back Californian independence.
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WardenEdgewise5 days ago
+2
And, the Alberta separatists are treasonous traitors. They should be viewed as domestic terrorists.
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AloneChapter4 days ago
+1
All this really does is point out the ones who cannot comprehend the written language.
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Avoidtolls6 days ago
+1
Divide and conquer, the billionaire way. It's far easier to have people fighting among themselves and coming for your money..
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discourtesy6 days ago
-41
There's no one that amplifies separatist calls more than the Canadian government themselves
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Perfect_Opposite21136 days ago
+7
Nah man that’s not happening. You do know the UCP isn’t the Canadian Federal Government right?
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mmoore3276 days ago
+19
Odd as they are one of the most popular governments we have had in a while.
The funniest thing about these separatists is 90% of what they complain about is actually within provincial government jurisdiction but the provincial governments have been very successful at deflecting blame onto the federal government.
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discourtesy6 days ago
-2
the government that barely got a majority by bribing 3 spineless ndp/conservatives? I'll bet 500 toonies this shit goes to an eelection in before Jan 1, 2028
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mmoore3276 days ago
+1
Americans can’t be trusted to keep their word so pointless to bet
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animatedpileofmeat6 days ago
+17
Your account literally says you’re from Texas.
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Pretty_Dingo_10046 days ago
+9
That's hilarious. so the dude we're replying to is literally the topic of this post haha
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