The parade could use some flamboyance.
^((a group of flamingos is called a flamboyance)^)
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vast1446 days ago
-79
I am all for Ukraine’s victory and I don’t think Ukraine should accept any ceasefire agreement unless it benefits them.
That being said, there will be children there ffs. It is partly a civilian event celebrating their WW2 victory. I am sure there will be many other strategically important targets Ukraine can hit.
It is not okay to call for an attack whose only real objective is to terrorize people.
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New_Blacksmith_7096 days ago
+55
They dont have to actually have to hit the parade. Having the air defense go off and panicky crowds is already a win
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vast1446 days ago
-47
People talking about raining missiles or whatever, or “providing fireworks” now aren’t they? This comment section is full of listnookors, apparently fantasizing about a bloodbath. I am sure they aren’t thinking about it seriously. But still, it is not ok.
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Zarerion6 days ago
+34
Just send in a few hundred drones filled with blue and yellow paint and let them know the terror of knowing what could have happened if Ukraine had been even remotely as evil as they have been these past 4,5 years.
They wiped out an *entire. f******. city* in Mariupol, down to the last Ukrainian that still remained in the ruins of their home.
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critical-insight6 days ago
+12
Sadly Mariupol is probably only the tip of the iceberg
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New_Blacksmith_7096 days ago
+24
Russia is already hitting Ukranian cities on the daily, targetting civilians deliberately. A military parade is still a military formation.
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MasterBot984 days ago
+2
We should ideally use the logic that military personel in a fully civilian setting are not legitimate military targets, but they attacked Ukraine's military funerals a couple times...
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the_hair_of_aenarion6 days ago
+9
No one is asking for an attack on children. You can attack a parade in ways that won't cause a c*** ton of collateral damage. Disrupt it. Send out propaganda. Hit some infrastructure. Etc.
Saying that children may be impacted here makes you sound like you're holding up a kid as a shield, saying "you can't hit me I have a kid!"
Ukraine isn't run by a bunch of monsters. If it was Russian civilian casualties would be through the roof. They're not. Even though Ukrainian civilian casualties are. Only one side is acting the way you're suggesting. Why are you defending them?
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Acceptable-Bed-16125 days ago
-9
Classic Listnook moment traumatizing kids who think they’re going to be bombed is le epic win, all good though because they’re Russian kids
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New_Blacksmith_7095 days ago
+4
Ukranian kids are dying each and every day. What is your point? The more Moscow feels the pain, the more likely the war ends.
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Commercial_Letter7385 days ago
-2
or it backfires like the battle of britain and you give the russian populace a reason no matter how contrived to want to fight against ukraine
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New_Blacksmith_7095 days ago
+1
The Russians are currently losing the war. Even the Russians themselves are aware of this.
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Acceptable-Bed-16125 days ago
According to what sources? All western media with bias?
Ukraine has lost 20% of their country to Russia, and MILLIONS of their people are living under Russian occupation. But yeah, they’re “winning”.
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Paranoidnl6 days ago
+28
It's a great that russia never ever made any civilian casualties what so ever. We don't have documented case of them attacking a theater where they were sheltering a ton of kids. That fact also was totally not writen down in huge letters on the square in front of that theater for drones and satelites to see.
Russia just had to keep themselves to a cease fire and they can have their lil parade. Can't stop killing for 3 days? Well, the parade of militairy people and hardware will defo be a militairy target then.
It's not f****** rocket science: don't hit someone if you do not want to be hit back.
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Settra_Rulez6 days ago
+2
Just hitting a target near the city, or having a few drones intercepted would probably be enough to call off the parade and be a loss of face for Putin, adding to the war exhaustion. The people should have to deal with the at least mild discomfort of the war being brought home since their complacency props up Putin’s government.
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Sufficient-Yellow6376 days ago
+1
I certainly didn't mean Ukraine should target crowds of civilians. That would be a very Russian thing to do. Reading my comment again I can certainly see how it could be interpreted that way. I just think Ukraine should continue to target militarily significant sites in the area and deprive Putin of his wish to give the people the impression everything is hunky dory.
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Ularsing5 days ago
+2
Don't apologize to this troll-farm hack.
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Dodislav6 days ago
+1
I think attacking other objectives is the plan. Since so many air defense systems are gonna get moved to protect Moscow, I'm sure Ukraine can do some serious damage elsewhere.
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vast1446 days ago
-2
I am pretty sure they won’t attack the parade either. There is little to gain from it apart from increasing their resolve and unify russians before Putin. Ukraine played its cards wonderfully so far. They wouldn’t make such a controversial move.
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HeeCiuP6 days ago
+1
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Bonyred6 days ago
+48
I don't expect the parade to be attacked directly but i expect the potential for an attack on the parade will be a useful distraction while Ukraine carries out operations elsewhere.
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bem136 days ago
+26
It's already pretty funny how careful the Russians are being. No tanks and a much smaller parade than usual because they might get attacked. I don't know much about warfare, but I'd say if you have to be afraid of attacks in your own capital, during a war you started, that's not a sign things are going swimmingly.
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gbs50095 days ago
+6
More like they don't have tanks to parade, but they're trying to blame Ukraine.
Well, I guess that IS Ukraine's doing, but I mean, they're trying to blame Ukrainian threats on the *parade* for the lack of hardware to display?
That came out weird.
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Mirria_5 days ago
+1
Don't they have sparkling new T-14s? It's not like they've been seeing any combat.
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gbs50095 days ago
+2
That might be because they don't drive.
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VitunRasistinenSika4 days ago
+1
Imagine how hilarious it would be to see russian invincible, superior wuderwaffe to burst in fire from one hit of temu drone
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Grand_Pop_72216 days ago
+9
An "Operation Squabble" moment where they litter the parade with anti-war pamphlets or Ukrainian flags while striking military infrastructure would be \*chef's kiss\*
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Suspicious_Bicycle5 days ago
+7
Dropping bombs could enrage the Russian population, dropping leaflets could be a teachable moment.
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LARPerator6 days ago
+6
Yeah. Ukraine probably knows that a tactical or strategic accomplishment is much more valuable than a propaganda one right now.
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Comfortable-Gur69086 days ago
+102
Then this is the green light for Ukraine to provide Putin with fireworks on May 9th 😁
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wildrabbit126 days ago
+24
It’s russia stop giving them any any benefit of the doubt they will lie 100% of the times
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gentleman_bronco6 days ago
+68
So...lemme see if I have this right:
1. Russia proposes a ceasefire for a Victory Day parade.
2. Ukraine agrees and counteroffers longer ceasefire.
3. Russia ignores counteroffer and says that they will nuke Ukraine if they violate the ceasefire.
4. Ukraine insists they will not.
5. Russia ignores ceasefire they proposed.
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KaQuu6 days ago
+50
> 1.Russia proposes a ceasefire for a Victory Day parade.
They announced not proposed.
> 2.Ukraine agrees and counteroffers longer ceasefire.
Ukraine didn't agreed, they said if you want that then let's make it from the midnight of may 5, and see if you have good intentions.
> 3.Russia ignores counteroffer and says that they will nuke Ukraine if they violate the ceasefire.
By bombing civilians in the daylight, yes, they even said that they are warning other countries and organisations to evacuate Kyiv.
> 4. Ukraine insists they will not.
From what I know they are playing ambiguity on this, not confirming not denying.
> 5. Russia ignores ceasefire they proposed.
We will see in two days, but for me it looks like they are gonna ignore it and try to do some false flag shit.
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Vano_Kayaba6 days ago
+8
Small correction on 5. We'll see in 5 hours, that's when Russian proposed ceasefire starts. But they never hold those, no reason to think it's gonna be different this time
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KaQuu6 days ago
+6
To easy discontent created by forced mobilization? Not sure either, using nukes seems to extreme for me, I would like to say I think putler isn't that crazy, but I can't. Maybe just for rally around the flag effect?
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[deleted]6 days ago
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KaQuu6 days ago
+2
It help if you think that they always gonna fudge up those below them. Only the flavor of fudging is a mystery:)
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DisastrousAcshin6 days ago
+8
They didn't say nuke, they said nuclear scale destruction. That could mean intense more traditional attacks. The fire bombings in Japan could be seen as nuclear scale destruction as well for instamce
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JackhusChanhus6 days ago
+6
Luckily they could make a half baked attempt at this once, before losing their entire airforce, so its an unlikely scenario
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Emotional-Dress86196 days ago
+1
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HarEr896 days ago
+29
Send Flamingos to this disgusting parade!
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goldlasagna846 days ago
+6
Shadow storm their shiet!
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RozeTank6 days ago
+3
Not a great idea. Killing dozens of civilians with a large HE warhead isn't going to help Ukraine's cause. If anything, it would give their opponents in critical countries the excuse to cut aid.
Now scaring the bejesus out of the attendees by flying drones dangerously close to the parade or putting drones into the flightpath of any flyover to either prevent it or possibly cause a friendly-fire incident....that would definitely be a propaganda coup. Though its more likely Ukraine will just use the threat of a drone attack to either force its cancellation (via air defense warnings from incoming) or attack targets that got defenses pulled from them.
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babyfark-mcgeezaks6 days ago
-12
Jeah really disgusting to celebrate the end of Nazism lol.
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JarvisModeOn6 days ago
+10
Without monitoring or consequences, a ceasefire violation just becomes another tactical move.
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Duck_Troland6 days ago
+8
It takes two to tango, and to cease fire too.
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bluddystump6 days ago
+5
I wouldn't target the parade but I'm sure Moscow has a shit plant worth destroying.
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konart4 days ago
You can’t violate a proposed ceasefire.
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Strict_Strategy6 days ago
-91
Lol. Keyword proposed. You cant decide for yourself for such ceasefire. Either have some sway or a advantage which can be used to make Russia accept your ceasefire proposal.
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No-Substance-21546 days ago
+81
So Ukraine has no obligation to acknowledge the ceasefire Putin called on his victory parade day. Because that’s why it all started.
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kullwarrior6 days ago
Except Trump will blame Ukraine because he hates Zelensky
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Strict_Strategy6 days ago
-57
So does russia for accepting Ukraine's dates so screaming bloody murder makes zero sense for Ukraine. Either both sides accept it or not.
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No-Substance-21546 days ago
+14
You know there’s only one side to blame, the one that started all of this.
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Strict_Strategy6 days ago
-13
Both sides of the politicians are to blame sadly no matter how we try to say it's one-sided.
Everyone knew that Ukraine is in the Russian sphere of influence. Getting it into eu/nato sphere was risky and could result in Russia doing something when it was never possible for them to join so fast. Staying neutral should have been done instead of going straight to the other side and then switching over time. Everyone miscalculated that russia would not respond, as russia was acceptable to the EU at that time.
Russia has zero regard for anyone's opinion if they feel like it harms them. That's the same for any other nation. Why allow one more potential front and a resource-rich nation under their sphere to leave without a fight?
In geopolitics, there is always the possibility of grave consequences when taking drastic actions.
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devkdup6 days ago
+9
What a rube you are
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Strict_Strategy6 days ago
-3
Lmao. I'm not hiding my c*** so please feel free to explore. I'm not a loser who hides behind a mask.
Fake propaganda supporter.
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No-Substance-21546 days ago
+10
Going full Russian propaganda playbook and the accusing others of propaganda is peak hypocrisy.
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Strict_Strategy6 days ago
-1
Being neutral is russian propaganda lmao. Sure buddy. Just stay ignorant that there are two sides of the story for geopolitics.
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No-Substance-21545 days ago
+9
You’re everything but neutral. You’re just embarrassing yourself atm.
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devkdup5 days ago
+2
Yes actually, being “neutral” on the subject of Russia invading a sovereign nation and indiscriminately killing civilians is absolutely Russian propaganda.
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Remote_Reality_62356 days ago
+43
Their sway was respecting Russian requested ceasefire for their parades.
I guess they dont want a ceasefire and we could potentially see a last minute drone attack on the parade.
Get your popcorn ready. Slava Ukrainiana.
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Strict_Strategy6 days ago
-49
This was not about respecting the Russian request. Ukraine thought that they could dictate the terms of ceasefire when they cannot. They already knew that what they said was bullshit, as nobody accepted their dates.
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DisillusionedExLib6 days ago
+12
Well then Russia can "accept" some Ukrainian drones on their 'special day'. They've earned it.
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LynxPuzzleheaded93366 days ago
+27
Then scatstan should not cry when Ukraine visits their scat day parade via drones
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Strict_Strategy6 days ago
-18
So do it. I doubt ukriane has any balls to do it cause it will harm them more then anything.
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SnooTomatoes30326 days ago
+26
Moscow is being attacked as we speak.
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-8
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SnooTomatoes30326 days ago
+24
Well you're the one saying Ukraine would never attack Moscow because they don't have the balls...and here we are 🤷🏻♂️
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minarima6 days ago
+23
Lmao why do you enjoy licking Putin’s boot so much?
Genuine question.
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Ingerance-Etrangere6 days ago
+42
The point of this ceasefire is to see how willingful Russia is to pause fire. If it's not, then Ukraine has no reason to respect any future ceasefire announced by Russia.
Ukraine is testing Russia and with no surprise, Russia failed that test.
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Strict_Strategy6 days ago
-47
This was never the point of the ceasefire for Ukraine. They just want to act like oh look, we called for a ceasefire, which nobody accepted, but the Russians did not respect it. Bullshit. Playing politics without having any sway. Nobody gives two shits about their dates. Want to impose a ceasefire? Have something the other side cannot refuse. Do tell what Ukraine can use to say to russia to accept their propsed dates.
Everyone already knew the dates given by Ukraine were pure bullshit.
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BurgerBurglar1236 days ago
+34
Dude what?
The timeline is:
\- Russia unilaterally declares ceasefire for their parade
\- Ukraine unilaterally declares ceasefire a few days prior to Russia’s ceasefire
\- Russia doesn’t adhere to Ukraine’s unilateral ceasefire
Meaning, Ukraine shouldn’t / won’t adhere to Russia’s ceasefire. Pretty straightforward.
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AntitheistArchangel6 days ago
+6
Russia proposed a ceasefire for Easter. Zelenskyy said yes. As soon as it “started,” Putin violated it hundreds of times. This ceasefire is strategic, yes, but Zelenskyy is only doing it because he knows Putin won’t honor it.
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Shot-Toe-28846 days ago
+43
Well Russia thinks it can do so, so why can’t Ukraine reciprocate?
It’s a psy-op. Perhaps that is going over your head. Nobody is actually ceasing fire during any of this.
But when Putin throws a tantrum when drones rain down on his parade in Red Square tomorrow, the world will know Putin chose this fate willingly, and his excuses will fall flat even to Russians.
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Strict_Strategy6 days ago
-34
Russia has sway over Ukraine by use of power and ability to create a view that the dates are for ww2 victory so any attack will make Russians more anti-Ukraine which would harm ukraine. The dates given by Ukraine, meanwhile, are nothing but correct me if i am wrong on this. They dont represent anything. So these dates given by Ukraine are total bullshit.
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Shot-Toe-28846 days ago
+35
The Nazis surrendered on May 7th not May 9th. The victory day is bullshit. Ukraines dates are historically accurate. Russia is attacking Ukraine today despite today’s anniversary of Nazi surrender.
Let’s see how galvanized the Russians are after the Red Square attacks on Saturday. We will see if you are correct.
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Strict_Strategy6 days ago
-14
Lol, it was 8th for sovient union, which includes Ukraine. Not 7th. Nice try. Always trying to adjust history to suit your own ends. No wonder Russia can easily say that Ukraine is trying to erase russian culture and c***.
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Shot-Toe-28846 days ago
+14
Well the treaty was literally signed on the morning of May 7th. Sorry bud. The Soviet Union objected to it and insisted on signing one the next day.
go educate yourself so I don't have to. Thanks...
[Surrender of Germany (1945) | National Archives](https://www.archives.gov/milestone-documents/surrender-of-germany)
"The unconditional surrender of the German Third Reich was signed in the early morning hours of Monday, May 7, 1945, at Supreme Headquarters, Allied Expeditionary Force (SHAEF) at Reims in northeastern France.
**General Alfred Jodl, Chief of Staff of the German Army, signed three other surrender documents at the same time, one each for Great Britain, Russia, and France.**
Present were representatives of the four Allied Powers – France, Great Britain, the Soviet Union, and the United States – and the three German officers delegated by German President Karl Doenitz. These were: Gen. Alfred Jodl, who alone had been authorized to sign the surrender document; Maj. Wilhelm Oxenius, an aide to Jodl; and Adm. Hans-Georg von Friedeburg, one of the German chief negotiators."
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Strict_Strategy6 days ago
Lmao. That is for usa,uk and co. Not for the Soviet Union, which I remind you contained Ukraine so for them its 9th(8th but it was 9th for moscow) as while present, did not accept as proper. Not a gotcha lmao. Knew you would use that.
The official ending of the fighting also ended on the 9th.
Its 9th for Soviet nations and we cannot change this part. Blame Stalin not me.
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xesttub6 days ago
+29
Everyone agrees with you, even Ukraine. That’s the entire point here.
Russia declared a one sided ceasefire, in a few days, so they can rant when Ukraine ‘breaks it’. Ukraine is preemptively doing it so Russia can’t play the victim.
Read up on the situation
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Strict_Strategy6 days ago
-13
The dates proposed are for World War II Victory Day. The dates given by Ukraine are for what? Russias one sided ceasefire still holds more sway as it has an actual importance then ukraines made up dates, which hold zero importance for anyone.
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xesttub6 days ago
+23
So you can declare one sided ceasefires if it corresponds with a parade you have planned? Didn’t you just say people can’t decide ceasefires for themselves? Clearly your reasoning bends to whatever is required to support your strange one sided point of view.
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bluewatergravy6 days ago
+7
> Ukraine holds zero sway over Russia.
Either Ukraine holds zero sway or Russia needs a cease fire to prevent them from striking their parade. You need to pick one or the other.
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Strict_Strategy6 days ago
For Ukraine, it is a lose-lose; there is no sway sadly. Attack and you make Russians more pro-war. Not attacking would make russian feel more in control. You could say putin would be humiliated and such but Putin's whole style is to showcase his ability to showcase strength. His ability to accept but then take revenge is known.
You attack him and your either dead or going to soon as he likes to take dictate the terms.
So tell me how will ukraine attacking help them. its not like Russians will become more anti war. Its not like the eu and co will start helping them more cause they already at limit. So what is the big ass advantage?
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bluewatergravy6 days ago
+5
> there is no sway sadly.
One or the other. Russians are making a clear, loud and panicked case for the contrary.
> So tell me how will ukraine attacking help them.
If I had to pick *one thing* that has defined Russia for the last century or so, it's the obsession to move mountains in order to appear strong. Sure, they'll bomb an orphanage as revenge, they always do, but they'll be humiliated.
And they're already screaming loud enough for this classic "um actually" routine to seem pretty comical. Take care, watch the skies!
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Strict_Strategy6 days ago
My sky's are clear and I don't give a c*** about Russia invasion cause oh wait I'm not f****** Russia or in EU. Sad man.
It's always the profiles hiding and then claiming c*** about others without any awareness lmao.
For Russia, they don't give two fucks about humiliation. Lets be honest. Every single damn claim by western analyst about how Russia will lose ability to fight has been proven wrong. All the propaganda of how Russians barely have anything is still doing nothing to tip the war in favour of Ukraine.
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Tree1Dva6 days ago
+17
"zero importance for anyone"
I would argue the Ukrainian people who have been killed and injured on these days of proposed ceasefire, the dates were important
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Strict_Strategy6 days ago
-3
So would any day be for everyone in any situation. You know as well as any person that dates have an importance that unites a large number of people for a common reason aka a holiday. What a gotcha moment you did. Pat in the back for you.
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Young_Lochinvar6 days ago
+13
6/7 May mark when Kyiv was liberated from Soviet forces by Ukrainian People’s Republic and Polish forces in 1920. Seems thematically relevant to me.
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Strict_Strategy6 days ago
-4
I just checked, and it was never an official recurring holiday(little importance here so they made it official after war), and the date on that is also 9th for the parade.... Well done. You proved russian dates as correct and important for both Russia and Ukraine. Bravo.
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ovalracer316 days ago
+4
No it doesn’t, use common sense
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SergeCFC116 days ago
+8
The only reason you think 9th of May is “important” and Ukraine’s dates are “made up” is because you’re looking at history through a narrow, Soviet lens. russia doesn't celebrate the end of World War II, they celebrate the “Great Patriotic War”. There’s a specific reason for that branding, it conveniently erases 1939 to 1941, the years when the USSR was a Nazi ally helping Hitler carve up Poland and the Baltics. Ukrainians have zero respect for the 9th of May narrative because it’s built on the lie that the Soviets didn't help start the fire. Ukraine acknowledges the actual World War II (1939–1945) and the millions of victims lost to both totalitarian regimes. By proposing a ceasefire for the 5th or 6th, Ukraine was testing a simple premise, does russia care more about saving lives or their 9th of May photo-op? russia's refusal proves the point. To them, the “importance” of a date is purely about a propaganda parade. To Ukraine, any date that stops the killing is important. If you think a military show “holds more sway” than stopping a massacre a few days earlier, you aren't talking about strategy, you're just defending a regime that values optics over people
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KaQuu6 days ago
+6
What is more important WW2 victory day or Christmas, for most people. Christmas that's easy, and ruzzia didn't agreed for Christmas ceasefire,, the only dipshit who thinks may 9 is important is little b**** putler. So no ruzzia doesn't have any ,,sway" here
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Strict_Strategy6 days ago
+2
Depends on who you talk to, no? One is about freedom and such. The other is about the birth of a baby, which could have been celebrated in nazi germany still.
Pretty sure your great-grandfathers and such would see 9th May as important, as they no longer had to worry about fighting nazi and could return home. Without them fighting, you would not have this freedom and such which we all hold dear, no? If nazi won, we don't know whether we would be even alive or not.
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KaQuu6 days ago
+10
Oh this framing is hilarious :D
It's not about freedom, in case of ruzzia it's about triumph of vengeance, they were allies with Germany at the start of WW2, and only started fighting them after they got betrayed, so no freedom and such.
,,birth of a baby" yeah let's say it like that to not address that it's one of two most important holidays in Christian faith, thats also ruzzia faith.
So no, for normal people the latter is much more important, and it's only your petty little overlord who thinks first one is so important as he is trying to use it to build the view of strong leader by stealing the Valor of those who fought in that war.
And if you want to go for personal, my great grandparents would live much longer if the red army didn't murdered them in 10.39, so I don't consider russian input in the WW2 as positive.
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Strict_Strategy6 days ago
+1
So we now discussing how nations behave with nazis? Hmm, lets ask the us about that shall we who took in nazis alongside russia and rest. Lets ask the french, uk and co who appeased nazi germany. Lets not forget japan and their unit 731. Everyone was acting cozy with nazi.
Birth of a baby. Yes. For Christians, baby god. For muslims, a Prophet. For athest, nothing more than a baby.
Whose petty overlord? Im not even from Russia or eu or america. Im from a nation which was colonised by dear old British whose people also fought for allies as well.
Wanna know for understanding. Why did they murder your grandparents. Nazi's? Romani? Jew? Muslim? What was the reason?
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Strict_Strategy6 days ago
Your the one who said your great-grandparents were persecuted, while I only said that most great-grandparents in Europe probably fought the nazis. No where i went personally as my comment was in respect to how people fought for freedom in regards to 9th May parade.
Where have i defended them? I have said that the Russian ceasefire demand is currently more strong then ukraines cause it appears more legit due to a long-standing history and such while Ukraine's is not due to the fact that they were part of the Soviet Union and their 1920 parade was also on 9th. Nobody, nobody can change the past no matter how many attempts to change it occur. Once russia says the same, i will say bullshit on that but that has not yet occured as far as i am aware cause i am not terminally online 24/7.
Your issue is that the moment someone calls the bullshit on Ukraine claims, you rushed to defend the leadership for no good reason.
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Unusual_Captain54466 days ago
+13
C'est un parallèle facétieux au cessez le feu unilatéral que souhaite imposer Poutine pour sa fête ;)
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No_Inspector20466 days ago
+18
This is just an excuse for Ukraine to violate self-proposed ceasefire by Russia for their parade. This way they can say you didn't respect ours, we won't respect yours.
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gumby_twain6 days ago
-9
If Ukraine does not attack this parade then they are not serious about winning anything.
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RozeTank6 days ago
+6
Nah, attacking the parade conventionally gains Ukraine nothing. Thats terror bombing, and it won't do them any favors on the world stage. Now causing a mass panic via a feint at a bombing, that might be useful.
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gumby_twain5 days ago
-5
I’m not so sure about that. I bet there are many people around the world who would agree with me that Ukraine needs to take off the gloves and act like they want to win this fight. Then maybe they’d be worth supporting.
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RozeTank5 days ago
+2
Contrary to what you might believe, the vast majority of the world would disagree with your opinion. Your average person isn't going to cheer if Ukraine kills 50-100 civilians attending a parade, regardless of who is holding the parade and for what purpose. Slaughtering non-combatants in the street doesn't win allies, nor will it convince anybody that Ukraine "want to win this fight."
It's one thing if Russian civilians die as collateral damage when bombing a factory, refinery, or target of military/industrial importance. That's just how war works. Bombing the parade would make Ukraine look more like Al Qaeda than a country fighting for its own democracy. Do you think the guys who orchestrated the Boston Marathon bombing are fighting for a just cause? Or the Bastille day truck attack of 2016? Cause to the average person around the world, hitting the parade with a Flamingo would be the equivalent to that.
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Ularsing5 days ago
-1
Did you really just compare the Boston Marathon to a military parade by the world's largest state sponsor of terrorism?
Okay, buddy. Sure.
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RozeTank5 days ago
+2
It might surprise you to know there are a limited sample-size of parades that got attacked in the last few decades. I merely came up with two of the most well-known examples. And more importantly, nobody cares about the context, just that a bunch of "innocent" bystanders would get injured or killed if the Russian parade gets hit by an attack. There is no benefit to Ukraine attacking the parade with lethal intent. It would actually be a propaganda boon for Russia.
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Koshindan5 days ago
+4
The parade will draw defenses away from other areas. Killing a bunch of randos won't accomplish as much as knocking out refineries or power plants.
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Theverybest926 days ago
-30
Clearly cause it wasn't the ceasefire Putin laid out. Why couldn't they just accept that one. Does Z think he has the cards all of a sudden?
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this-is-very6 days ago
+11
And why are you giving the genocidal dictator a prerogative on ceasefires?
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bluewatergravy6 days ago
+7
> Clearly cause it wasn't the ceasefire Putin laid out. Why couldn't they just accept that one.
The point that has been painstakingly explained a thousand times already is that if Putin isn't interested in other people's cease fires, other people aren't going to be interested in his.
> Does Z think he has the cards all of a sudden?
Based on the sheer panic and deranged nuclear threats if Ukraine tries to ruin Putin's parade? Yes. Obviously he has the cards all of a sudden.
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