Putin has been bombing civilians in Kharkiv nonstop since the start of the war. This attack proves he sees no chance of winning. You don't destroy what you want to steal. Here's more, https://united24media.com/war-in-ukraine/here-are-all-the-times-russia-has-targeted-dams-in-ukraine-1940.
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crscali5 days ago
+142
“You don't destroy what you want to steal”
Russia has stated multiple times, “everything will be rebuilt” the goal is depopulation followed by repopulation by people from Russia. aka russification.
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deadend2905 days ago
+46
That’s my least favorite cation.
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WestBrink5 days ago
+22
I always hated Cu2+, but this one sucks too
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enocenip4 days ago
+1
I like to pronounce them anyuns and cayshuns. Usually gets a chuckle out of nerds.
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4Rascal4 days ago
+1
Or maybe crucifi-
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Rajirabbit5 days ago
-2
Californi- would like a word.
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borninthewaitingroom5 days ago
+9
But he's been saying since he became president in 1999 that Ukrainians are really Russians. He wants to destroy his own people. But discussing whether he's another Pol Pot or another Adolf Hitler gets us nowhere. All these psychopaths really live lives of contradiction, Trump, Stalin, etc.
My comment was really about civilians.
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thechromatick4 days ago
+1
> repopulation by people from Russia
Russia's pretty sparse. Who will want to move?
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borninthewaitingroom4 days ago
+1
The propaganda says they're not attacking civilian targets. Someone in Russia showed people on the streets actual photos, and they were shocked. I don't have a link of that video, though.
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tim_h55 days ago
Russia says a lot
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[deleted]5 days ago
-1
Russia flattened grozny back in the day and then took it over and rebuilt it tho
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Weak-Subject93764 days ago
-11
>This attack proves he sees no chance
Yeah unfortunately could not be further from the truth. I think people are forgetting that Russia is only using about 1/4 of their military because it's not an official "war."
It's like the US only using the Marines, because they can be deployed without Congressional approval, versus using the entirety of the military (Marine corps, Navy, Air Force, army).
If Ukraine drags this out such that the Russian economy *actually* starts to buckle, well... I fear for them. Not to mention putin would sooner nuke Ukraine than admit defeat, lets be real
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Onkel244 days ago
+11
> I think people are forgetting that Russia is only using about 1/4 of their military because it's not an official "war."
Really?
This bull again, 3 years into a virtual stalemate?
You're claiming Russia isn't going anywhere in their war *by choice* ?
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Miepmiepmiep4 days ago
+3
> Yeah unfortunately could not be further from the truth. I think people are forgetting that Russia is only using about 1/4 of their military because it's not an official "war."
Surely not because 3/4 of their military is already dead....
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Complete-Sort16175 days ago
+169
Russia sucks.
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Jonnyflash805 days ago
+131
Another war crime. F****** Russia.
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TheVenetianMask5 days ago
+31
They always hit dams when things aren't going well.
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finfisk20004 days ago
+8
And children's hospitals and maternity wards.
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callmedata15 days ago
+3
That's where the word comes from
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chunmunsingh5 days ago
+37
F*** this war, they are destroying power and water supply.
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Danfen5 days ago
-37
I hope you're not American or Isreali
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Playful_Alela5 days ago
+7
Idk if you can pull this whataboutism when you're British
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waterboyh2o303 days ago
+1
They're also less by crazy governments, conservative ones at that. Russia has been supporting conservative movements.
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Additional_Leek28875 days ago
+11
3rd dam destroyed in the war...
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ButterscotchTop1945 days ago
+55
Russia is so desperate
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NotUniqueWorkAccount5 days ago
+6
Maybe they should send JD over there to hold some victory rallies.
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KindledWanderer4 days ago
They should send JDAM.
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Tidalsky1145 days ago
+18
Tell me youre a terrorist nation without telling me youre a terrorist nation..
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Glum-Breadfruit-64215 days ago
+20
I think it’s time for Ukraine to start targeting site for site with Russia. F*** fighting with one hand behind their backs. Civilian targets are fine for America and Russia but not for Ukraine? F*** that. 🖕
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previouslyonimgur5 days ago
+7
I mean every bomb they target in Russia is a bomb that doesn’t target attacking forces. So it’s a little more difficult for them.
But the Russian population needs to “feel it”. The majority of the population doesn’t care because it hasn’t affected them, but if they start getting restless, Putin will likely pull back to protect his own rule.
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Harry_The-Bastard5 days ago
+10
Despite all of the efforts by Trump-Vance and Orbán, Putin's invasion of Ukraine has effectively ground to a halt. The conflict has long since become a war of attrition. Best Ukraine keep pummelling Russia's oil and gas with 🔥sanctions🔥 and directly target Moscow's ability to fund its war. Or to put it another way, force the enemy to try and fight this war with one hand tied around their balls.
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Mazon_Del5 days ago
+5
They would lose a lot of support if they do that. This war is one in which Ukraine is unambiguously the good guy. Committing counter-atrocities would only serve to allow those against sending aid to Ukraine to point at the supporters as being pro war-crime.
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DoomguyFemboi4 days ago
+2
You want Ukraine to alienate their supporters..? Use your head lad.
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Astralsketch5 days ago
-5
have they not? Haven't they taken out a bunch of russian oil infra?
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Glum-Breadfruit-64215 days ago
+7
You mean the Russian oil infrastructure that feeds the war machine? They’re actually valid targets under the rules of war.
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Raflesia5 days ago
+1
Are you suggesting that Ukraine should start intentionally targeting Russian civilians?
'Cause if so, that's really dumb.
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wedsik14 days ago
-12
Ukraine started hitting water supplies first. First they cut drinking water to Crimea even before war then after war they cut drinking power to Donetsk. Ukraine considered Crimea occupied yet tried to turn peninsula into wasteland.
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anotherserf4 days ago
+3
\> First they cut drinking water to Crimea even before war
Water for agricultural use (not drinking water), and 2 months **after Russia began the war** by invading Crimea on Feb 27 of that year.
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wedsik14 days ago
+1
Water is water. Without agricultural water Crimea was turning into desert. Ukraine considers occupied people its citizens yet it force ecological disaster on them. But what should have i expected from goverment that stated for some time that people in occupied territories are considered collaborators for asking russians for medical assistance or when medical staff keep working and treating people while under occupation.
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anotherserf4 days ago
+1
\> Water is water.
Except **water sources** are not created equal. If you disagree, try paddling out into the ocean for a bit to quench your thirst.
\> Without agricultural water Crimea was turning into desert.
That's not how desertification works.
\> Ukraine considers occupied people its citizens yet it force ecological disaster on them.
The move was bad optics/PR on Ukraine's part, and probably not a good idea. But in no sense were they creating an ecological disaster with the water shutoff - just economic pain.
You're simply repeating talking points fed to you by others.
To push your buttons, and get you riled up.
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wedsik13 days ago
+1
That move literally forced water rations in Crimea for citizens at first and made them not like Ukraine even more. But you probably know more than people that lived there. https://www.researchgate.net/publication/363326160_Analysis_and_Assessment_of_Desertification_Processes_in_the_Crimea
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[deleted]4 days ago
+4
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wedsik14 days ago
I mean Ukraine still considers Crimeans its citizens and they literally decided to cut their water off. So why is there any complains regarding water supply? If you do something like that prepare to be on receiving end too.
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Glum-Breadfruit-64214 days ago
+2
Oh you mean when the Fukin Russians invaded Crimea by killing Ukrainians and then Ukraine defended themselves? That crimea??
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wedsik14 days ago
-4
How many people died while invading Crimea? Ukraine considers Crimea occupied yet still trying to turn it into wasteland. It doesnt care about well being of its citizens under occupation according to them. So yes, Ukraine started water supply game and have no right to complain about same act done to them while they did it first.
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passatigi4 days ago
+3
Spent many summers in that area in my childhood. Once we swam across the reservoir with friends, took so long I could barely walk after. We were scared to swim back, so walked back over the dam in our trunks lol.
F*** Russia.
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OfferOwns5 days ago
+9
F*** ruzzia and their war crimes. Can't wait for that dog obituary (no offense to dogs)
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SatisfactionFit20405 days ago
+4
Water is vital for survival.
For the entire planet.
Sigh.
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wedsik14 days ago
-8
Yes. I agree. But why did Ukraine cut water suplies to Crimea even before war and after war it did same with Donetsk?
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someocculthand4 days ago
+1
Ukraine blocking a canal after the annexation of Crimea by putler isn't *remotely* the same thing as blowing up dams or targeting infrastructure during an active war!
If russia occupies Crimea, then russia is responsible for supplying it.
Also, "before the war" is just wrong since the canal was blocked *after* russia took Crimea. The war didn't start in 2022, it started in 2014.
And the Donetsk point is just horseshit. Water problems there are because of the war in Donbas, not because Ukraine turned off a tap out of spite.
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wedsik14 days ago
Yes Russia occupied it and yet Ukraine considers crimeans its citizens and Crimea its land. Yet they force ecological disaster on it. I guess Ukraine is responsible for water and electricity of its citizens too. And about Donetsk its literally "problems" with Siverskyi Donets – Donbas Canal. Ukraine decided to cut water off. Its their choice but complaining about water problems caused by war when you yourself did same thing is a bit hypocritical
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someocculthand3 days ago
+1
Now you’re just being obtuse, or deliberately mixing up timelines and gaslighting, while trying to draw a clumsy false equivalence.
Blocking supplies to occupied territory isn't the same as destroying infrastructure during an active war, no matter how much you try to twist it into some dumbass vatnik shit about poor russia being mistreated due to russophobia.
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eliceev_alexander5 days ago
+2
Luckily, they didn't pull it off.
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TriXter695 days ago
+2
I hate this timeline
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RipIcy88445 days ago
+1
Obvious war criminal!
Can only hope justice is served to these war mongers
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longestboie5 days ago
+1
more war crimes on the daily
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iamagermanpotato5 days ago
+1
Sure they did! Because RUSSIA IS A TERRORIST STATE!!!
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Lifeisshort5555 days ago
They won't stop Putin cannot lose this war. It is his head on the line and legacy. This won't end till both nations are wrecked
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russellvt5 days ago
+3
I've just figured Putin is biding his time until he's terminal, and he plans on taking the rest of the world with him... I hate to think that way, but this war makes NO sense whatsoever.
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Playful_Alela5 days ago
+2
Putin is genuinely delusional about his greatness and capabilities. It's what happens when you're surrounded by yes men for decades. Putin would never plan this way because Putin believes he will still win
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Araminal5 days ago
+1
I don't think he'll take the rest of the world with him, unless he has no feelings for his children.
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I_can_vouch_for_that5 days ago
-2
Which country is worse Russia or Israel ?
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williamgman5 days ago
Another "war crime". I use quotes because until these dictators are arrested for these heinous crimes... it's just a term. That school Iran was a war crime as well.
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Severe_Air_43534 days ago
Usa approve of war crimes . Revenge
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MortalBareback4 days ago
I’ve avoided news of the conflict as much as possible, for my own mental peace, a lot already happening in the world as is. Who’s winning the war so far?
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pyr6664 days ago
makes sense. dams have always been targets in war.
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Astralsketch5 days ago
-1
you bomb theirs, they bomb yours, you bomb theirs, they bomb yours, the cycle continues.
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Menethea5 days ago
-38
If the US can do it, so can Russia.
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PatientRoutine82915 days ago
+6
When exactly did the US strike a dam against a country of genetic siblings they invaded and still havent conquered after 4 years?
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Mindless-Peak-16875 days ago
-21
He is talking about hitting civilian infrastructure in general, you are focused on a dam. So take your whataboutism and shove it somewhere the sun don't shine.
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PatientRoutine82915 days ago
+1
Lol someones butthurt they cant take ukraine in 4 years. Dont worry, ill remind you when years 5 and 6 pass as well
And the US isnt hitting civilian infrastructure, they are hitting dual use infrastructure. What dual use purpose does a dam fulfill? Take your false equivalency BS and shove it up your own ass, p****
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Playful_Alela5 days ago
Does the US have a history of targetting dams or water reservoirs? There's a difference between NATO bombing a power station in Serbia and Russia targeting the another major dam after causing one of the worst man made environmental disasters in the 21st century when they destroyed the Kakhova Dam in 2023
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DarkLF4 days ago
-1
lol a power station wasnt the only thing hit by NATOs 78 day bombing spree dude. 300+ Schools, 40 hospitals, bridges, power grids, buildings, railroads, and refugee convoys. sounds like NATO established the precedent here.
dont believe me, read it yourself:
https://www.icty.org/en/press/final-report-prosecutor-committee-established-review-nato-bombing-campaign-against-federal
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Playful_Alela4 days ago
+1
>sounds like NATO established the precedent here.
1) Lmao. 2) Thank you for sending me a document you didn't read yourself
>54. During the bombing campaign, NATO aircraft flew 38,400 sorties, including 10,484 strike sorties. During these sorties, 23, 614 air munitions were released (figures from NATO). As indicated in the preceding paragraph, it appears that approximately 500 civilians were killed during the campaign. These figures do not indicate that NATO may have conducted a campaign aimed at causing substantial civilian casualties either directly or incidentally.
>57. In the course of its review, the committee did not come across any incident which, in its opinion, required investigation by the OTP.
>59. It does not appear that the train was targeted deliberately.
>62. It is the opinion of the committee that the bridge was a legitimate military objective. The passenger train was not deliberately targeted. The person controlling the bombs, pilot or WSO, targeted the bridge and, over a very short period of time, failed to recognize the arrival of the train while the first bomb was in flight.
On the Djakovica Convoy
>69. It is the opinion of the committee that civilians were not deliberately attacked in this incident.
On the Bombing of the RTS (Serbian TV and Radio Station) in Belgrade
>77. Assuming the station was a legitimate objective, the civilian casualties were unfortunately high but do not appear to be clearly disproportionate.
>Not only were these targets central to the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia’s governing apparatus, but formed, from a military point of view, an integral part of the strategic communications network which enabled both the military and national command authorities to direct the repression and atrocities taking place in Kosovo (ibid, 21 April 1999).
>79. On the basis of the above analysis and on the information currently available to it, the committee recommends that the OTP not commence an investigation related to the bombing of the Serbian TV and Radio Station.
On the Bombing of the Chinese embassy
>85. It is the opinion of the committee that the aircrew involved in the attack should not be assigned any responsibility for the fact they were given the wrong target and that it is inappropriate to attempt to assign criminal responsibility for the incident to senior leaders because they were provided with wrong information by officials of another agency. Based on the information available to it, the committee is of the opinion that the OTP should not undertake an investigation concerning the bombing of the Chinese Embassy.
This is the most damning for NATO, and the committee approved of NATO's response (the committee accepted that bad intelligence led to targeting a civilian structure without sufficient legitimate military objectives, removing those intel officers, publicly apologizing, paying the Chinese government for the incident). Criminality occurred here, but NATO properly punished the people involved in said criminality, hence no further investigation.
On the attack on Koriša Village
>There is some information indicating that displaced Kosovar civilians were forcibly concentrated within a military camp in the village of Koriša as human shields and that Yugoslav military forces may thus be at least partially responsible for the deaths there.
>The committee is of the view that the credible information available is not sufficient to tend to show that a crime within the jurisdiction of the Tribunal has been committed by the aircrew or by superiors in the NATO chain of command. Based on the information available to it, the committee is of the opinion that OTP should not undertake an investigation concerning the bombing at Koriša.
Idk how you can be so confidently wrong lol. All of these instances were assessed based on proportionality. There is absolutely no way any international law body would find the Kakhovka Dam strike or Russia's years long bombardement on heating infrastructure to be proportional under international law
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DarkLF4 days ago
-1
i read the document, but dont feel like responding to your chatgpt post. saying "it was probably an accident" and "the murder of civilians was proportionate" is such a cop out and laughable attepmpt to downplay murder and terrorism. keep on supporting your own countries bombing runs. youre a straight up terrorist apologist.
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Playful_Alela4 days ago
+1
Lol those are quotes blocks from the document and this just proves you didn't read it
Edit:
>saying "it was probably an accident" and "the murder of civilians was proportionate" is such a cop out and laughable.
This was literally in the document YOU linked lol. So not only did you not read it before sending it to me, you also are calling your own source laughable
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DarkLF4 days ago
are you stupid? i linked the appropriate link to confirm that there were atrocities worse then a "single power station in serbia" bombed? i dont give a shit what a UN backed by all of NATO says about their own war crimes.
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Playful_Alela4 days ago
>i linked the appropriate link to confirm that there were atrocities worse then a "single power station in serbia" bombed?
You're right, I literally meant that the only bad thing the US has ever done was bomb a single power station in Serbia. Which colour of crayon do you think tastes the best?
> i dont give a shit what a UN backed by all of NATO says about their own war crimes.
Russia and China are part of the UN and both voted to create the ICTY so your argument immediately falls apart if you knew basic information about the Yugoslav wars (you don't, you've also proved you can't read or understand hyperbole). Anyway nice job shifting the goal posts once you've been proven illiterate (you probably just used control+F or looked at the index without reading lol). Let me know whichever country you live in and I'll donate to some money to help kids learn how to read there🙏🙏
Next time don't cite an organization if you think don't think they are credible dipshit
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PatientRoutine82915 days ago
+1
Russia cant do shit, as evidenced by their flailing for 4 years in the eastern 1/4 of ukraine. Imagine not being able to get air superiority over f****** ukraine lmaooo
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