This is the only way to respond to a non-ceasefire
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Piggywonkle5 days ago
+72
All Putin had to do was extend the ceasefire by two days and he would have had the ceasefire he claimed to have wanted. Of course, anyone who has been paying attention from the beginning would know that all of the Russian attempts at ceasefires and peace deals have only been proposed in bad faith. Zelenskyy was elected to take a conciliatory approach to relations with Russia from the very beginning of his presidency, and it's clear that Russia chose to take that only as perceived weakness. There is no peace with Russia if Russia has any other option.
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tvtowers6 days ago
+175
Chronologically, this goes "Mr Trump, ask Zelenskyy if we can please go play outside May 9"
Zelenskyy points out that Kyiv is much closer to Russia than DC and Russia, who is going broke, could have saved themselves an expensive overseas call by asking Ukraine directly, and proposes a two day ceasefire to see if Russia is serious about their intentions.
Russia bombs a kindergarten.
Zelenskyy shrugs, business returns to normal.
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macross19846 days ago
+65
And I would say so what. Ukraine is merely responding after so many ceasefire violations from you jerks.
Are you trying to depict yourself as "victim."
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FremenCoolAid5 days ago
+3
Theatrics for the sheep 🐑
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evildrtran6 days ago
+65
This f****** country.
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Sanhen5 days ago
+6
To be fair, a lot of the 20th century sucked too.
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CharlesP20095 days ago
+10
I think about my grandfather's lifetime. Growing up he learned about WWI in school, then he lived through the Depression, lived through WWII, the Atomic Age, the Cold War, Civil Rights, Vietnam War, 9/11, War on Terror, and so many other things in between.
I never heard him complain about such things. Mostly he talked about people he knew, his neighbors, his family. And mostly he focused on the then-and-now.
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Long-Draft-71285 days ago
+4
Yea, grandpa didnt have AI and the climate colapsing on him did he.
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CharlesP20095 days ago
+7
He had the threat of nuclear war for many years of his life. The Cold War pissing contest saw thousands of bombs detonated all over the world.
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biggest_tony4 days ago
+2
To be fair, a lot of human history is also bad.
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SlowCrates6 days ago
+79
And?
The f*** do you expect?
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MistakeNot__5 days ago
+9
There's an old Russian anecdote:
- hey, see that guy over there? Let's go f*** him up!
- and what if he fucks us up?
- us? What for?!
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QciferKharn5 days ago
+22
Russia is the aggressor- there’s no reason to give them quarter when they’re losing, for they will afford you none
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euph_225 days ago
+17
As the name suggests, a ceasefire is when both sides agree to "cease" firing. If you rejected that, they both sides are expected to continue firing. If you don't like this war, you can always get the hell out of other people's countries.
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FerretAres6 days ago
+18
Well… yeah? That makes sense.
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Bitter_Nail85776 days ago
+36
Playing. The. Victim.
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SixIsNotANumber6 days ago
+16
Pooty-poot can end all his humiliation just by calling his troops back to Russia.
Otherwise, *boo-fuckin'-hoo*, ya wrinkly old douchebag.
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Honest-Estimate49645 days ago
+13
Russia is like: "-Missile strike! -Ceasefire! -600 Shaheds in one night! -Ceasefire!!!"
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jet_heller5 days ago
+11
"...no punch backs!"
I don't even recall that working on the playground.
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Abject_Breadfruit1485 days ago
+10
Putin can stop his invasion at any time he wants instead of complaining that he is powerless at victory.
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rwoooshed6 days ago
+36
And this is news how? Aren't they at war?
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subnautus5 days ago
+20
It's less a question of news as it is a matter of people paying attention. Since Russia responded to Ukraine's suggestion they add a couple of days to the ceasefire by sending more attacks, people are curious if Putin will get the peaceful parades he's squawking about wanting.
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Shot-Toe-28845 days ago
+5
Well said. It’s an information war, and we are not apart of the audience they are fighting over. We are generally in the know on events unfolding. Most people are not. Ceding the information space during a war can be dangerous. You have to assert your narrative or the enemy will run with their own and the common person will adopt that narrative too.
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Guyskee5 days ago
+2
"Sending more attacks" is a very diplomatic way of saying "in response to an extended ceasefire offer from Ukraine, Russia bombed a kindergarten".
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subnautus5 days ago
+3
Nah, just trying to keep it general since Zelensky said there were over 1000 violations of the ceasefire he proposed. I suppose we could combine the two and say over 1000 violations, including bombing a kindergarten…but that just takes away from the point I was making.
Ukraine offered an extended ceasefire and Russia responded with attacks. Now the question is how Ukraine will handle Russia’s offer.
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Bobity5 days ago
+1
I bet they skip Moscow but hit hard everywhere else as dwindling air defence resources have been shifted to Moscow.
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Ok_Teacher_17975 days ago
+7
Good. They should do it again.
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dope_sheet5 days ago
+7
Interesting, hey which country is currently invading and occupying the other one currently?
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whiteb89175 days ago
+9
Wait, Moscow breaks ceasefire, then goes surprise pikachu when Ukraine responds with like ?
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Balmerhippie5 days ago
+7
Target the Kremlin. Daily.
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Unique-Ladder-19905 days ago
+4
its a war. did you not expect them to continue or fight back?
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DahliaSkarigal5 days ago
+9
Maybe Russia shouldn’t have invaded Ukraine in the first place.
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breadmaster905 days ago
+3
I'll watch the victory parade tomorrow with popcorn lol
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darkstar1075 days ago
+5
Where's my tiny violin?
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Fit-Lion-7736 days ago
+7
So President Putin gonna do the “nuclear scale “ strikes?
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tvtowers5 days ago
+1
The tiny bald Tsar knows full well that mass civilian casualties wouldn't be ignored by the west. They shriek about "red lines", we enforce them.
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SnooTomatoes30325 days ago
+3
If only that were true unfortunately. Mass civilian casualties are all too common here and the West generally shrugs their shoulders anyway in response. At most, it's a point of concern at the UN which is then vetoed anyway 🙃
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tvtowers5 days ago
-1
There's a difference between hundreds of casualties and thousands. The syphilitic gnome in the Kremlin is threatening thousands.
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SenoSoloma005 days ago
-4
Fairy tale, no one cares about civilian casualties. A lot of people died during russian advances in 2022, a lot of people has gone through “filtration”. Look at what happens at Palestine.
Besides, today russian drones attacked a NATO country. Zero response.
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tvtowers5 days ago
-1
Putin is threatening to hit the middle of Kyiv. That would literally be a war crime. What you're talking about happens every day somewhere in the world.
And the only fairy tale here is yours about Russian drones.
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SnooTomatoes30325 days ago
+5
The centre of Kyiv is hit pretty regularly, it's not a new occurrence. They commit war crimes on a daily basis. The centre of Kharkiv, Dnipro, Zaporzhzhia, Odesa, Lviv....all of the big cities of Ukraine have all been bombed in their centres before.
The west shrugs and wishes us well.
Shall I take some pictures today of my bus ride that goes through the centre of Kyiv today for you? Or are you gonna start listening?
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-3
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SnooTomatoes30325 days ago
+6
I know but you're doing, I'm saying I disagree with it completely. You think I don't get your point for some reason. I'm not stupid.
Your core point is that the West will act. I disagree with that completely. There will be strongly worded letters, maybe an emergency session at the UN...and then nothing.
> Yeah, I'm always willing to listen to somebody who doesn't understand the difference between drone strikes or maybe a Kalibr and an assault of multiple Oreshniks.
Also, this isn't being insensitive? Lol I've lived through daily drone strikes, kalibrs, x101, Kinzhals etc. I've experienced oreshnik too because I was in Dnipro when the first happened. But okay, you know better than me I guess.
Edit: and he's blocked me apparently. Weird 🙃
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Onely_One5 days ago
+2
The west' biggest mistake in this war was to not immediately hit back hard on Russia at the start. After the assault on Kyiv failed, there could have been an opportunity to force Putin to negotiate. I am still in the belief that NATO should have enforced an airspace closure in Ukraine at the start of the war. Instead there were only letters of encouragement and feetdragging on aid.
The result is what we have now, casualties in the millions and both sides stuck in an endless grind. One can only hope someone with influence within the EU or NATO command structure learned a lesson
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SnooTomatoes30325 days ago
+2
Correct. We were crying out for NATO to close the airspace and we were ignored. Every time we have asked for something that would've been useful, it was given way too late. NATO could've ended this in three days like russia planned to, and even being more forceful at the start could've sent the signal that would've ended it before it even started all the way back in 2014 or the full scale invasion in 2022.
In a way, it's become a blessing and a curse. NATO feet dragging forced us to massively develop our own weapon systems and also completely rewrite modern warfare according to our own rulebook. What that means for the west is that having Ukraine as an ally to learn from as well as purchase field tested, fine tuned weaponry from is not only advised, but necessary for the future.
You call it a grind on both sides, but Ukraine has been fighting a war of defence completely and the strategy from day one has been to grind moscovy down until it's unable to persecute its war against us anymore.
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SenoSoloma005 days ago
+1
LOOOL They bombed Dramteatr with people and civilians inside. Every night they kill around a dozen civilians with the rockets and drones. They raped people, they killed people, they kidnapped and tortured people, Ukrainian POW come back home like they’ve been in concentration camp. Not a war crime
BUT AS SOON AS RUSSIA WILL HIT CENTER OF KYIV!!!
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mtgfan10015 days ago
+3
Boooooohoooooo
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Old-n-Wrinkly5 days ago
+3
What was Russia expecting, exactly?
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keith_kool5 days ago
+3
Special drone operation
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trzepet3 days ago
+3
Nothing about the 1000/1000 prisoners exchange that was the only condition and that russians backed out after tge parade was done
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Icy-Antelope-65193 days ago
+1
Surprise that putin keeps his Words….
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YogurtClosetThinnest5 days ago
+2
Putin makes Trump look smart
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xmuskorx5 days ago
+2
There goes AP just re-printing whatever Russian "Defense Ministry" says with zero filter or fact checking.
Journalism is dead.
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Catprog5 days ago
+1
Russia says Ukraine attacked after Russia rejected a ceasefire.
Why would they need to fact check? That is what happens when you don't agree to stop fighting.
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xmuskorx5 days ago
+1
there are like 20 quotes from Russian ministry of defense in the article
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