Russian Soldiers Increasingly Take Own Lives Under Drone Swarms, Ukraine Says

The Russian government/army is probably the only entity less likely to pay you when promised than Trump.

Well sure, but many of them might at least *believe* or have been told that they will

Pretty reasonable to expect people in that situation to cling to any last shred of hope or positivity though.

Soldiers are given pamphlets containing instructions on how to end their lives by a few different methods. Written on these pamphlets is "you are a great warrior of Russia, your honor is in your loyalty to the end."

As is tradition. Soviet troops that were captured during WW2 got arrested and executed upon return because they were expected to commit suicide rather than get captured.

Not sure if it even matters anymore. There are literally tens of thousands of Russian war crimes that will go unprosecuted, including torture and castration of POWs, double tap strikes on first responders, mass executions of civilians, drone "safaris" also targeting civilians... The only justice delivered comes either on the battlefield or at the hands of an assassin. At this rate, the Geneva Conventions are going to be entirely disregarded and will need to be renegotiated.

Have you ever heard of Vikings?

Yep. It’s just a nightmare situation. Could be a random guy who got drafted with only the best intentions. Could be that same guy but he fell for a lot of propaganda and believes in the cause enough to commit war crimes. Could be a guy who volunteered and wanted to do war crimes. It’s all sickening and depressing.

Probably depends on the situation, if they can practically surrender they might let them, but if you are say in an area super far away from Ukrainian troops, don’t imagine they will accept a surrender.

I understand that and have seen vids of that, but you really cant surrender to a kamikaze drone...I have seen plenty of those vids as well...

American GIs in the Pacific had to deal with Japanese banzai charges. The Japanese would reach an untenable position on an island. There'd be lots of singing and drinking any alcohol available and then they would all charge the machine gunners at dawn. Maybe it wasn't as close up as an FVP drone screen, but the GIs would have to mow down wave after wave of soldiers. It was do or die, but became business after a while. Worst was the snipers. They'd stay behind and have to be burned out of their holes one by one. It was up close and personal.

Yes, but you can still call it pointless and feel sorry for them. Dehumanizing everyone because of most of them is not a wise thing to do.

You don't have to pay their families either

I don’t mean to be a doomer but if you think this boots on the ground situation in Iran will play out much differently I have to disagree. A lot of good American men are going to die to drones and missile strikes if we invade. I’m sure Americans would come to the same pact about offing each other if it seemed hopeless

It's an interesting loophole in international law that if you draft someone's son you can force them to die for you (in the hundreds of thousands) and that's not considered a crime against humanity.

Ukraine is being attacked but Ruzzia deserves compassion, some people are just crazy.

Not quite forgotten about. Fox News hosts may occasionally complain about how they get in the way and suggest we ["just kill 'em"](https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/brian-kilmeade-fox-news-host-kill-homeless-b2826035.html)

i don't disagree with this take but also want to add another wrinkle which has to do with what you and the person you're replying to are saying. a big part of this behavior is a result of Russia's strategy of trying to avoid drones hitting large formations by infiltrating assault waves piecemeal into dangerous areas. they send a handful of people at a time with the idea to rendezvous at a rally point and then conduct assaults from there rather than the more conventional way of transporting the wave in full in an APC/truck like we saw in the beginning of the conflict. sometimes these soldiers will have dirtbikes or quads and are intended to operate like light cavalry and this seems to be effective sometimes but hard to say? so you have one or two soldiers pretty deep into enemy territory getting droned or attacked. they have no chance of rescue. there's no support really and no supply line. they were meant to take ground and establish those things. to add to this, there's propaganda that Ukrainians will torture Russians to death upon capture. there's a lot of video evidence to the contrary but this probably plays some role? war is bad but there's something so extra terrible about the character of this conflict. drone warfare has made any engagement involving them lethal since they're c****, have enormous explosive payloads, and are often operating in contested areas where extracting surrender is not reasonable. the KIA to WIA ratio i think is going to look appalling when it's all said and done. even the first video i saw of a drone dropping munitions felt like a sea change. i think it was the one of the pilot threading the needle with a grenade through a car's sunroof and killing all occupants. in that period, i feel like you did see people walking away injured because the munitions were modified frag grenades. with FPVs that are flying satchel charges and the more serious munitions with really nasty shrapnel from bombers, there's often just... nothing really left. i have to imagine this also psychologically plays a role in the choice to kill oneself at least where drones are concerned. there are some pretty awful videos out there of Russians dying really badly and slowly because of drones. i hope this war ends soon.

"If ever comes the realisation that Trump had sex with children it will spark a lot of fury at Trump." was a sentence I always believed to be true. Likewise I can't share your optimism anymore. It will be along the lines of; "the footage is fake democrat propaganda. We always win, we are tired of winning. Anyway, soldiers sometimes die, whatever"

Not only that, but posted online and tagged with the soldier's social media accounts so their friends and family can watch them die in high definition. We're fighting people with top tier intelligence and the assistance of the best state sponsored hacking groups in the world.

If thoes videos start becoming widespread i almost guarentee that it will be called terrorist activity and banned (like CSAM level banned) so that recording or disseminating or even viewing that stuff will be illegal/arrestable by ICE/DHS/feds/NSA. The internet will be heavily controlled in the future in a "similiar" way to China except with a USA FREEDOM flair to it so that people accept it...events/wars (or other things) will be catalyst to make the push towards that kind of thing. The future is most countries having their own intranet tied to own laws/morals/etc because they will say its the only way instead of the impossibility of controlling every foreign website/picture/video/data.