Cool at first, but holy shit you can’t put this genie back in the bottle.
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Lucky-Qualms1 day ago
+251
Yeah I can't be the one slightly worried by this in the grand scheme of things. Can't blame Ukraine at all they're fighting for their existence. But at this point they are arguably the world leader in drone warfare and alot of countries are looking to work with them. It's certainly a scary genie.
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TipOfMeJapsEye1 day ago
+39
If the US wasn't run by putin's buddy, they would've been able to use western weapons to deal with this.
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pierrenoir20171 day ago
+18
Or the other way around, the US could collaborate on this tech and even use it for its own purpose when attacking for example... Iran (?). It questions if the US weaponry is still the only and optimal solution for this kind of warfare.
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Geichalt1 day ago
+20
I believe this was actually offered to the US by Ukraine (working together on drone tech based on Ukraine's experience) but Trump said no because he's a petty b****.
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SmegmaWarrior08151 day ago
+57
We should make sure that it is they are working with and help them any way we can so they don't fall under Russian occupation. Otherwise Russia will gain all this knowledge and technology.
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Lopsided-Rough-15621 day ago
+96
Yeah that YouTube short movie about killer drones comes to mind
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fourthords1 day ago
+51
*Slaughterbots*
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Cambot11381 day ago
+14
Probably the scariest “warning video” I’ve ever seen after Threads.
Slaughterbots is probably like 5 years away from being possible.
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rcanhestro1 day ago
+7
i mean, the only thing not possible yet is the size of the drones, the actual capability of them is probably already possible.
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bkgn1 day ago
+2
Israel has been fielding rifle-equipped drones programmed to shoot anything detected as a moving human for years already. Bullets make a lot more economic sense when you're operating in an area where your murder drones can't be contested.
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Feedback-Neat1 day ago
+11
I was thinking of the movie from the 80s!
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Ok_Adhesiveness_49391 day ago
+13
Screamers? Probably closer to the original story though. The New Model or something.
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directselector1 day ago
+3
Batteries not included
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Xalara1 day ago
+6
Yeah, best part is I’m pretty sure that movie was something that OpenAI, or the proto version of OpenAI, did way back in the day.
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MiniGiantSpaceHams1 day ago
+20
I don't think this is a genie situation, this is just inevitable technological progress. No one could do this before, so it wasn't a decision. Now they can, and if it wasn't this war it'd be another.
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InstantShiningWizard1 day ago
+28
When manned drones became a thing years ago, my first thought was how long it would take until someone strapped a gun or some form of explosive onto it and used it to assassinate people.
Thankfully, my worries were instead greatly understated.
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ShortysTRM1 day ago
+11
You: When?
Militaries everywhere: Now.
As you've implied, it's so much worse now than I would have imagined in such a short period, and a huge amount of that has happened in the "3-day special operation." We are watching two exhausted countries trying to find any advantage they can, so I can only imagine what countries who weren't at war have come up with while watching the war evolve.
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AlpineMarmotSquad1 day ago
+2
We used to strap fireworks to RC planes back in the 90s for fun, and I always wondered why the military didn't weaponize something similar. Guess it just took them a few years
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CipherWeaver1 day ago
+6
Fr, if these things autonomously choose their target... Well the AI battlefield is finally here. Drone swarms will be the new military standard.
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Overall-Medicine43081 day ago
+7
The US or NATO should have helped Ukraine with the war before autumn 2022, when it first began using FPV drones. The world didn't really notice. Even Russia only started doing so a few months later.
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JaVelin-X-1 day ago
+4
you could have .. in 2014
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rlwhit221 day ago
+20
I think it was already out tbh(not that it's not terrifying). Look at the giant drone swarms that china has been displaying as light shows. I imagine lot of that coordination is being done by AI
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Willing_Mission39031 day ago
+45
lol no, it's just some pre-programmed stuff
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PerspicaciousGoshawk1 day ago
+18
Either way, imagine every one of those is carrying a grenade. That's going to be future urban combat
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tellsyoutogetfucked1 day ago
+8
Yea sure. Its still a machine with a deadly payload and lines of code telling it to blow up targets. AI does not need to be terminator level of intelligence, simple autonomous decision making is more than enough cause pure misery.
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CryptoThroway82051 day ago
+4
They probably do have sensors and an idea of where they are relative to neighbors to recalibrate though.
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WORLDSLARGEST1 day ago
+2
Right but that’s not AI…
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rcanhestro1 day ago
+3
you don't need AI to do that, it's just a routine.
not so different from light shows.
drone 1 goes to positions A,B,C,D
drone 2 goes to positions B,C,D,A
and so on.
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winpickles4life1 day ago
+2
Matter of time. Can’t wait to meet my new overlord
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OregonMothafaquer1 day ago
+2
I love our overlord. (In case it reads this)
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Expensive_Archer16621 day ago
+2
This sort of exists already. Infrared image matching on existing cruise missiles is “AI” and been around forever. I sincerely doubt these are “AI” in the sense target is being selected entirely by an onboard computer with no reference and no preselection.
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mollila1 day ago
+2
>can’t put this genie back in the bottle.
It was going to come out anyways. Only difference is that now there's a live testing ground.
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BlackTriceratops1 day ago
+2
If you wana be with me
Baby theres a price to pay
Im a genie in a bottle
You gotta rub me the right way
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Andyrios1 day ago
+2
Vulnerable world hypothesis dark gray ball
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Optimal_Juggernaut371 day ago
+2
There was a black mirror episode a while back that had one of the robot doggo's hunting humans in a near future post-apoc. That was terrifying enough as it was, but flying drones, bees, wasps, it's basically Terminator/Arc Raiders
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takesthebiscuit1 day ago
+4
The scientists that made the Nazi v2 rockets of ww2 were immediately poached by USA and took civilisation to the moon
Imagine what will happen when USA gets the ai drone scientists
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Sometimes-funny1 day ago
+11
They might invade some countries….oh
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mehum1 day ago
+8
They’ll take civilisation to hell?
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Gecks7771 day ago
+4
I don't know. I think a world full of c**** killer drones sounds scary, but in a way, it kind of democratizes self-defense. If every minor power on up has warhouses full of these things, it means attacking any other country suddenly becomes very risky, and could eventually mean the end of war and foreign interference as we know it.
It would also have the drawback of making it very difficult for the good kind of foreign interference, such as global pressure preventing a country from oppressing its own people, and might make terrorist activity more accessible, but all that might be a small price to pay for generalized international security.
It might be real bad news for slow adopters in the next few decades, though.
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ptwonline1 day ago
+8
It's bad news for everyone. The disproportionate fear people feel over potential attacks from these will probably lead to a very draconian future security state which in turn will give govt so much control over us that authoritarian states will become an inevitability.
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Jack_Krauser1 day ago
+3
The only thing stopping oligarchs from forming authoritarian countries around the world is the threat of the people being able to stop them, by force if necessary. This kind of absurd autonomous force multiplier combined with the information attained by modern surveillance states largely removes that possibility. You're a naive fool if you think good things will come from this.
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WingerRules1 day ago
+2
I think more likely will be development of other automated units that can take them down, and also countries using EMP weapons that destroy electronics of entire regions of a country.
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Fleischhauf1 day ago
+1
it was bound to happen, just hope that the Russians will take some more time
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So_HauserAspen1 day ago
+1
Come with me if you want to live!
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SouthSouthBay1 day ago
+1
Autonomous killer robot era has begun
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Longy_LTB1 day ago
+1
This where desperation gets you I suppose
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CurtisLeow1 day ago
+778
> “The enemy has begun using new drones called ‘Martians,’ which, unfortunately, have a cruising speed of up to 300 kilometers/hour [186 miles / hour], no longer fly under operator guidance but are controlled by artificial intelligence,” Prikhodko said. “They are undetectable by electronic warfare systems, and drone detectors don’t spot them.”
I think it's amazing what the Ukranians are doing. That's basically a cruise missile, but cheaper.
> The Ukrainian security and defense publication, Militarnyi, in a Wednesday report, said that Russian drone operators in early April, for the first time, encountered Ukrainian First Person View (FPV) quadcopter aircraft fitted with a conventional wing, giving the drone extended range and loitering capacity. Lower-level operators probably came up with the upgrade to create a more effective interceptor drone that attacks Russian aircraft, the report said.
[Here's the report.](https://militarnyi.com/en/news/winged-fpv-quadcopters-attack-russians/) It's a VTOL aircraft that rotates 90 degrees to have increased ranged. The large wings suggest that it flies extremely slow compared to [this similar concept.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7PTsHDFMams) The Ukrainians are also probably trying to do the cheapest design possible.
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snirpie1 day ago
+249
Well, even a Shahed drone fits the definition of a cruise missile, but I get what you are saying. Autonomous navigation must be a game changer in an EW heavy environment. I assume they can fly them much lower as well, without the need to maintain connection.
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HanzanPheet1 day ago
+82
All fun and games until you are on the opposite end. This tech will eventually spread to all countries and "sides." I was thinking about this last night when I saw the video of the guy sitting there with drones audibly flying overhead and then hearing an explosion at the end of the video.
The mental trauma that comes from AI guided unmanned flying bombs is almost incomprehensible. I for one am not looking forward to this future.
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mrzurgo1 day ago
+9
I felt the same feeling watching the same video
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scud1211 day ago
+9
It actually makes me feel like the rockets launched at us in Afghan were way better. Less accurate and not personal for starters
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Suuuumimasen1 day ago
+2
I get the not personal part bro
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inconspiciousdude1 day ago
+1
It really does feels like a "f*** you in particular" kind of weapon.
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Gisschace1 day ago
+3
Yep it’s terrifying and why you need good neighbours nowadays, things like the EU will be more important
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martinsuchan1 day ago
+210
It's only matter of time until bad actors start to use these drones in US or Europe
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Gimme_The_Loot1 day ago
+229
100%. An autonomous missile that seems undetectable by the standard AA processes is a pretty terrifying thing to know exists in the world.
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leberwrust1 day ago
+89
Undetectable by electronic warfare systems. That probably means no wireless communication, which would make sense if it is ai controlled. But it should still be detected by radar. Which is probably also pretty hard since they are small and low flying. I would guess strong airborne radars would not have any problems detecting them.
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ethertrace1 day ago
+38
A lot of drone detection for AA systems is done via sound these days. Less range than radar, but more reliable given typical drone size. Really hard to dampen their sound signature.
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TheAberrant1 day ago
+28
Just blast flight of the Valkyrie’s once within range of the AA system to mask the droning sounds.
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Karli_Chirk1 day ago
+6
AA targeting systems do not care sounds and only the most advanced ones can lock on fpv drones in visual range, what you're describing is early detection warning.
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Codex_Dev1 day ago
+2
Drones are small enough that they give the same radar return as birds.
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BlackFoxTom1 day ago
+29
It is 100% detectable, not even F 22 or B 21 are undetectable
It's just bullshit marketing article
And flying without external radars and autonomously isn't anything special for decades
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BoboThePirate1 day ago
+47
There are basically 0 Russian AA systems operating within 60km of the front. They have so few AA systems that there are virtually zero protecting their oil refineries. The curvature of the Earth prevents detection of any craft flying at 100M or less if the radar is stationed more than 36 km away. Even *if* they had an S-400 on the front line, the amount of drones and trees in the sky would make it impossible to target, and even *if* you could get a lock, you’re using a $1 mil missile on a shit box with a wing duct taped to it.
They are functionally undetectable by conventional means. Audio is the first alert you’ll get from these.
This leaves audio and visual sightings as the only reasonably conventional way to detect these. (We aren’t even talking about shooting them down).
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Enhydra671 day ago
+15
Now they need to coat the underbelly with vantablack for nights.
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h-land1 day ago
+22
No. Absolutely not vantablack.
Navy blue should suffice.
Terry Pratchett taught me that, and he wasn't even accounting for light pollution.
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CrazyAnchovy1 day ago
+4
Curious why you said so strongly not vantablack
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PearTreePlumb1 day ago
+13
The night sky isn't vantablack... They're also joking. Not an expert but theyre right?
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h-land1 day ago
+14
The Pratchett quote I'm thinking of, best as I can find it from memory and google-fu, is this one from Making Money:
> Every Assassin knew that real black often stood out in the dark, because the night in the city is usually never full black, and that gray or dark green merge much better. But they wore black anyway, because style trumps utility every time.
And there don't seem to be any truly dark skies until east of the M4 in Russia.
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fineillmakeanewone1 day ago
+6
Just go outside and look at the night sky. Is it actually black? Is it the blackest black possible?
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BoldestKobold1 day ago
+3
Clearly you need a ground based laser weapon that fires straight up, then a drone with a big mirror 1km up in the air that reflects the laser at the target.
Time to sci-fi this shit.
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BoboThePirate1 day ago
+2
I wanna know why this wouldn’t work haha. This like it’d be Mythbuster’s plausible
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BlackFoxTom1 day ago
+2
You are confusing long range AA with SHORAD
SHORAD is mainly done using small portable radars on masts, IR, acoustics and good old guns, manpads and nowadays also anti drone drones and helis/small planes
Also it isn't true that radars can't look beyond horizont, it depends on the type of it. And systems are interlinked, something somewhere has to see it or at least with good probability expect something somewhere. But line of sight isn't needed again already for decades.
Even good old tomahawk flies barely of the ground, almost every anti-ship missile and so on. There are yet again decades of developing solutions against such threats.
Question isn't whenever anti drone or anti cruise missiles systems exist. Only it's coverage, productions of effectors and economy.
And Ukraine nor Russia nor USA nor China can intercept and protect every square meter of their land, no country can. Doesn't mean they don't try.
And none of that makes some random drone undetectable or impossible to protect from.
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BoboThePirate1 day ago
+3
Shorad like long range AA is drone food. They get annihilated within the 60km kill zone. They are hunted to the point of extinction. They are a complete non-factor. Just the act of forcing them to expend a missile on these shit boxes is a large victory in itself.
Tomahawk comparison again - yeah, 1$ mil with terrain mapping vs $3000 terrain mapping. The beauty is in the cost.
Radar beyond horizon - No radar on Russian soil can detect a small bird-sized piece of plastic through trees and terrain.
On the undetectable and impossible to protect against - I already included the audio visual forms of detection in my original post. On protection - sure it is physically possible to protect against these but economically impossible if UA scales these well.
My point is this so are c**** and stupid-simple that there is no economical way to protect against them. They are always vulnerable to bullets but that is always a Hail Mary, wouldn’t be surprised if the success rate is sub 5%. Even US got its ass royally handed to them and they were expending hundreds of missiles a day against much larger and easier targets.
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CurtisLeow1 day ago
+5
Yeah this isn't new capability. The cost is what's new about this. These drones are dirt c****. They're much cheaper than rocket artillery. Some of these drones are cheaper than artillery shells. It might be cheaper to use drones instead of using self-propelled artillery.
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Yummygnomes1 day ago
+2
Are they not just a new version of self firing and self propelled artillery?
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Amazing_Medicine_3651 day ago
+4
V1s and V2s were autonomous lol
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chubbytitties1 day ago
+2
Thats just what gets mass produced and is common knowledge. Imagine whats buried in RnD bunkers
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aManIsNoOneEither1 day ago
+2
exactly. I don't see how one can read that and say "that's amazing what Ukraine is doing".
Good for them if that help the war. But like in all wars: at the end we all loose.
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xSaRgED1 day ago
+2
The instance of Ukrainians releasing drones from truck beds, etc all over Russia was the main warning sign for me.
Bad operators are absolutely going to try and replicate that process.
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SevereRunOfFate1 day ago
+12
Agreed, only solace i take from this is it buys the Ukrainians some time and saves some of theirs... For now.
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hot_space_pizza1 day ago
+2
I cannot imagine what the world will look like when that happens. Will navys (navies?) be pointless? Will helicopters be too risky to launch. Airports and military bases are just going to go out of action especially if these units have range.
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tj3811 day ago
+16
I found a couple of videos from Ukraine of this kind of drone [here.](https://x.com/GrandpaRoy2/status/2041733945289797880)
It may use an optical odometry system which "measures a robot's movement by tracking surface features beneath it using cameras or laser sensors." This would make it immune to EW.
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StanknBeans1 day ago
+4
Isn't that was the mars helicopter used for navigation?
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tj3811 day ago
+10
It is indeed. "The Mars Ingenuity helicopter uses a downward-pointing navigation camera (NAV cam) acting as an optical odometer to estimate its position, velocity, and orientation. This system is the core of its Visual-Inertial Odometry (VIO) navigation, which helps it track its movement over the Martian surface during flight."
I've seen some references that the Ukrainians calls these drones the "Martians".
So it has a small size which is hard to detect, autonomous navigation and AI to finish the job.
I would hope though that a human is still part of the kill chain.
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fusionliberty7961 day ago
+2
It is unlikely that there is any type of intervention capability, at least on deep strikes. I think these all have pre-programmed autonomous terminal phases with no real-time human control. Obviously though humans are formally authorizing the strikes before launch.
What's interesting about VIO is that it is going to increase accuracy/hit rate, immune to jamming, and will decrease collateral which is always a good thing. Deep strike accuracy suffers from inertial guidance drift. Longer the craft travels, the error margin compounds. VIO will help reduce those margins.
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StinkySalami1 day ago
+19
The problem with this is the huge risk of collateral damage and spillover.
Whatever AI they’re putting on a c**** Ukrainian drone is obviously going to be limited by onboard hardware. It has to run locally on relatively c**** silicon, not on some massive compute stack, so I really doubt the target recognition is going to be anywhere near as reliable as people think.
And that matters because Ukrainian and Russian targets can look pretty similar from the perspective of a computer vision system. If you’re taking the operator out of the loop, you’re creating a real risk of misidentification, including civilians getting hit or even friendly forces.
It also opens a Pandora’s box in the arms race. I get why Ukraine wants an edge against a bigger opponent, but every battlefield innovation gets copied. The Russians can do the same thing, and later so can plenty of other actors, especially since the underlying hardware is commercially available.
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StrangestEcho361 day ago
+8
If Ukraine can do it with their boxes of scrap, then you can bet that all major countries are currently working on their own variants of the technology. It was inevitable as soon as AI technology starting being implemented at scale.
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mollila1 day ago
+16
And can you blame an invaded country for trying and innovating? Fighting for their survival. In this case I'm very sure they are doing their best to not make mistakes. But yes, the tech developed will make waves.
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angelus141 day ago
+6
I mean, I blame Russia for starting the invasion in the first place. But nevertheless, this is not a good development. That commenter is right, this will be copied quickly to the detriment of us all.
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Historical_Course5871 day ago
+5
The big scaries IMO:
1. Any manufacturing country (not just China, but also countries like Iran, Pakistan, India, Bangeledesh, Malaysia, Phillipines, Vietnam) could just crank out tens of thousands and be wartime-ready to go against anyone.
2. Non-nation organizations scooping these up for private industry. I'm thinking Cartels and Panama as an example.
3. Use for false flags. Launch them from hundreds of miles away, they get missed by most radar systems so nobody is ever tracing the origin point on these from the ground.
4. Open sourcing the blueprints. You could legitimately make some of these things in a garage, pull software from the internet, and be able to hit a skyscraper in the next state over. So it's not even terrorist organizations but even crazy lone wolf types that could hit anywhere.
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dervu1 day ago
+11
I see one mistake "unfortunately" => "fortunately"
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WCland1 day ago
+2
There were theories that Ukraine used AI guided drones in its attack on Russian air bases last year, where they snuck automated launchers into Russia in cargo containers. After launch, it seemed like the drones had image recognition for their targets, the specific planes on the tarmac.
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SamAzing01 day ago
+2
That's not AI though, that technology has been around for quite some time in cruise missiles.
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_vlad__1 day ago
+2
I would assume these are drones made by Helsing? The military AI company that the listnook hivemind hates Spotify for.
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deviantbono1 day ago
+2
What?
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BindermanTranslation1 day ago
+1
Wake me up when we've got the Swords from Screamers.
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Duotrigordle611 day ago
+1
Sounds like they are describing the Ukrainian Sting Drones. Made with help from a Japanese company.
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tweakingforjesus1 day ago
+1
Some 25 years ago a professor mentioned a visual odometry system he was working on that used the silhouette of surrounding terrain. At the time I didn’t understand why that would be useful. I don’t wonder anymore.
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conanap1 day ago
+1
I wonder if war eventually will just be almost entirely replaced by machines, until it gets to a local HQ.
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Gentle_Snail1 day ago
+49
Thats genuinely kind of terrifying.
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Mackitycack1 day ago
+28
C****, explosive drone swarms controlled by AI...
What could go wrong?
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Exapno1 day ago
+9
So is Russian imperialism 🤷♂️
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gentleman_bronco1 day ago
+193
Cool. Get fucked, Kremlin.
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Stunning_North_75491 day ago
+55
Ya. Get fucked russia.
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AngryCanadian1 day ago
+5
Why am i worried that this gene will not be contained to Russia
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Emotional-Wish36381 day ago
+1
Yeah super cool, Russia will never be able to develop this technology to use themselves.
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Dark_World_Blues1 day ago
+142
Maybe it is time for Putin to accept that occupying Ukraine isn't worth all of this damage that Russia has received.
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twitterfluechtling1 day ago
+76
... or for Russian oligarchs that it isn't worth letting Putin continue his reign...
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Orposer1 day ago
+28
Couple more million Russians can die before he gives a shit.
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TheVenetianMask1 day ago
+6
I think he would take Russia to the grave just for the sake of being its final ruler.
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Dark_World_Blues1 day ago
+4
I want to believe that, but I don't think he would care
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ChrisOhoy1 day ago
+14
That much is already clear to Putin, no doubt.. but there’s no off-ramp at this point. Lose to Ukraine? He said Ukraine wasn’t even a real country.. so that’s not an option. Freeze the lines? Only from a position of strength is that viable..
Maybe western intervention can tip the scales in favor of Putin withdrawing.. but you’d need a coalition strong enough and scary enough to force his hand, without involving arch nemesis like Britain and US..
So basically no way out other than forced withdrawal due to frontline collapse. A new mobilization maybe, but that won’t change the realities on the ground where drones will see all and end all.
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miningman121 day ago
+7
He can sell bullshit to his people very easily this line of thinking is not correct
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ChrisOhoy1 day ago
+7
He can’t sell total defeat, which is what he’s eying..
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Erilaz_Of_Heruli1 day ago
+5
This war is his legacy. Even if he can sell a "victory" that doesn't result in him being assassinated, he knows he'd be remembered as the leader that threw away a million russian lives and his country's economic future for some ruined fields in eastern ukraine.
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Kevadu1 day ago
+3
But that's already how he's going to be remembered. At some point you need to cut your losses...
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djlawson10001 day ago
+4
The problem for him at this point is that this war is now existential for him. There is no going back. There’s no retreating and licking his wounds to try again in a few years or halting his expansion plans altogether. Taking Ukraine has officially become “do or die” for Putin.
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Dark_World_Blues1 day ago
+2
Yeah. Hopefully it is "die" for him
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Basic_Yam_7151 day ago
+5
Shit, Ukraine might end up owning Russia...
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S_J_E1 day ago
+1
The time to accept this was day 4 of the 3 day SMO
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intimidator1 day ago
+9
Man, this is some fine terminator level shit I'm reading about
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government_not_ok1 day ago
+21
Hear me out, putty-put, an easy solution to this issue would be to gtfo of Ukraine!
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TwoBeesOrNotTwoBees1 day ago
+22
Aww did Russia bite off more than it can chew?
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david40691 day ago
+7
I think the problem is more that it's gotten harder to chew now that Ukraine has kicked their teeth in.
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Hungry_Shake69431 day ago
+37
Better leave then
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King_Crab_Sushi1 day ago
+12
War is terrible but one heck of a driver of innovation
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chuckmapumpkin1 day ago
+11
Most great human innovations come from the desire to kill each other or get inebriated
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DrKnickers1 day ago
+8
Or to distribute p***
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mollila1 day ago
+2
Survival and procreation.
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Ultra_Metal1 day ago
+32
I know that at least the unjammable part is true. I work on radios that Russia cannot jam and we sell lots of those radios to Ukraine and some of those models are integrated into drones to make the drones unjammable and give them much longer communication range (which I assume is the reason Ukraine has been able to hit deep inside Russia).
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lollysticky1 day ago
+20
sorry for my ignorance, but how can a radio be unjammable? Is it the frequency that is too low or high to be impossible to jam? In my poor recollection, jamming is just blasting an area with waves of the same frequency, therefore drowning out the original signal
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thx1138inator1 day ago
+40
I don't know what ultra metal is talking about.
The entire point of putting AI on the drones is so that no communication is needed.
Also, you have to worry about jamming of navigation satellites. But, with AI, the aircraft can navigate via compass, celestial bodies, and vision analysis of the ground. Those are not really jam-able.
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TigerUSA201 day ago
+7
I guess the only downside would be if you wanted to issue a recall / abort signal? Although rare, I would assume there are a couple scenarios where you suddenly might need that option.
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Mr065061 day ago
+11
Unjammable is an exaggeration, but "less prone to jamming" could be many things. Highly directional antenna, really good signal processing, etc.
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apples_vs_oranges1 day ago
+10
Probably frequency hopping?
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briancoat1 day ago
+4
Hedy Lamarr strikes again!!
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heretic76221 day ago
+2
I imagine these drones don't need radio signals if they're run by onboard ai
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LangyMD1 day ago
+2
You can't make a radio *impossible* to jam, but you can make it a lot harder.
Even a fibre optic 'radio' can be 'jammed', it just needs you to actually get to the fibre optic cable. If you can do that it's easier to just snip it, but deception jamming is a thing too and that could mean trying to inject false info into the link.
In terms of a regular RF radio, you can make it a lot harder to jam by doing things like frequency hopping or broad-spectrum transmission. There are theoretical ways of building quantum radars and, I would assume, radios that can use quantum effects to protect against jamming as well (essentially use the known quantum properties of the signal you're sending to ignore the received RF of things that don't match that quantum signal), but I don't know of any that have been deployed. All falls under the broad concept of 'electronic protection'.
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konart1 day ago
+10
Ukrainian long ranged drones do not phone back. They just fly their route and that’s it. Why would you even need a communication channel if your target is 100% stationary.
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DiscipleofDeceit6661 day ago
+3
Because it may not be stationary, those buildings could move
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wet_lettuce_ua1 day ago
+5
You know the tale of A boy who cried Wolf?
Before the invasion russians spreaded a bs propaganda about ukrainian biolabs with mosquitoes who only attack russians.
Beware of what you wish for, invaders.
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blodskaal1 day ago
+5
I just saw a video on this by a channel called The Military Show. Very interesting stuff.
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TheMelonSlicer1 day ago
+3
Beginning of stealth drones
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EyePiece1081 day ago
+3
These days, the next big priority for any nation, after possessing nuclear weapons, is the capability to manufacture drones - by the thousands.
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DrDalenQuaice1 day ago
+2
And defend against them
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ExtonGuy1 day ago
+2
Tens of thousands. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Afw8e-abVa8](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Afw8e-abVa8)
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Keef--Girgo1 day ago
+3
Begun, the Drone War has
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LabradorKayaker1 day ago
+3
These smart, c****, AI drones are the future of warfare, for better or worse. Trump is handing the US military industrial complex a 50% larger budget request to pursue ALL THE WRONG stuff: big Trump-class battleships, billion dollar jets, and re-tooled nukes.
US needs to get off the big weapons gravy train and invest in small drones, drone deterrence, and return to sane foreign policy. F*** MAGA.
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beakrake1 day ago
+3
Ukraine, if you're listening...
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macross19841 day ago
+8
Dang, Ukraine continue to improve its drone capability at an accelerated pace to keep Russia off balanced.
Go, Ukraine!
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VoteGiantMeteor20281 day ago
+3
These are perfect for drone swarms. Program them all to fly to a facility or port and just saturate the targets with destruction.
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Minions-overlord1 day ago
+3
Now teach ai to target Putin only and start lobbing them at the Kremlin. He has to get lucky every time, Ukraine only once
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WhateverIsFrei1 day ago
+5
Autonomous death robots, coming soon to a battlefield near you.
...We're not surviving this century, are we?
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gierOK1 day ago
+2
Wah wah wah
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Obstacle-Man1 day ago
+2
Slaughter bots it is then. https://youtu.be/fPqmC16ewYg?si=rz6VD93wGRpTxH60
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Additional_Teacher451 day ago
+2
Autonomous navigation is much more expensive than FPV, as it requires a number of not-inexpensive sensors and a reasonably powerful compute suite onboard.
So while it is a great advancement in drone warfare, it's only going to be used against those hardened targets that are well protected, because it costs much more to produce.
The basic FPV drone is still going to be miles more effective when it comes to cost.
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NoonDread1 day ago
+2
I love this for Russia.
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ElydthiaUaDanann1 day ago
+2
I'll bet Captain Lone Starr could jam it.
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aussydog1 day ago
+2
Neato
...I suddenly have the urge to watch [Screamers](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Screamers_(1995_film)) again.
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YellowTango1 day ago
+2
Get fucked, slava 🇺🇦
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DistributeQuickly5591 day ago
+2
So to avoid radar locked missile, you just land, wait a minuet and take back off to continue your journey. Do this enkugh and you cant be shot down in the classical way. Essentially your bunny hopping 100ft into the air at high speeds then traveling towards your target before landing again to clear the missiles that might have launched at you. Think whack a mole except the Whacker explodes when it doesnt see a mole head sticking up.
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ThePheebs1 day ago
+6
Well, they can definitely be detected. I don't know what nonsense they think AI will accomplish against radar, sound, or the mk1 eyeball.
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gradinaruvasile1 day ago
+7
They said that drone detectors can’t see them - they refer to EW components that detect signals. These drones if autonomous, can work without radio emissions.
I doubt they have radars for small drones all over the place.
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JaVelin-X-1 day ago
+5
May russian dreams be full of the sound of these drones comming
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gcerullo1 day ago
+2
I have a solution for the Russian soldiers. Go home!
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VeryVAChT1 day ago
+3
Great, I’m off for a w**k . Good night everyone x
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doctorlongghost1 day ago
+3
Saying it’s “powered by AI” is a buzzword and can mean several very different things. The big question is whether they use cameras and how they handle target acquisition.
Do these work like cruise missiles where you enter coordinates and the drone uses its own knowledge of speed and vector to get to a GPS location even when GPS is jammed? Does it use visual data to assist? Or (what would be more impressive) are you able to describe targets in general terms (“tanks, trucks or buildings” or “humans carrying rifles”) and it uses pattern recognition on its cameras to locate and destroy those targets.
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isoAntti1 day ago
+2
Pity for Russia. It would really suck to be in trade embargo right now.
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x3nhydr4lutr1sx1 day ago
+2
Skynet is gonna be coming ahead of schedule at this point.
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CastigatingTheClouds1 day ago
+2
Making them home in on fetal alcohol syndrome like that has great medical applications as well.
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Actual_Intelligence1 day ago
+2
Good. F*** Russia (government).
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vossmanspal1 day ago
+1
Trump will boast that the US has something even better than Ukraine could ever field. It’s secret though so I can’t talk about it.
Go Ukraine.
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DarthGader1 day ago
+3
Please advertise Anduril products on the correct sublistnook OP
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JenPE_1 day ago
+1
Sounds like HX2 drones maybe? Well the Russians are gonna have a he'll of a ride with speed and precision improving. In theory, Ukraine could deliver small attack drones from a bigger drone (wing pylons for example) and loiter over territory, effectively giving the enemy no chance at retaliation
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CapitalCityCartel1 day ago
+1
SPARC AI ?
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Finglor1 day ago
+1
They just need to consume biomass to power themselves. That would make them operate 24/7.
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1fingersalute1 day ago
+1
[ Removed by Listnook ]
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tackle_bones1 day ago
+1
😌😌😌
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filletofishupsai1 day ago
+1
They are currently raising funds for this drone so if you would like to help donate, do check out [this](https://x.com/sternenkofund/status/2041034417666494846) X link that has more information about what they're doing with the funds!
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IHv2RtrnSumVdeotapes1 day ago
+1
Send one right up putins ass and I mean that literally
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A_Nonny_Muse1 day ago
+1
"can't be detected"
Yeah, sure. And he's got millions of stealth bombers so advanced that we can't even recognize them as bombers. He just chooses not to use any of them.
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Mrhnhrm1 day ago
+1
Are these drones made by a company named *Cyberdyne,* by any chance?
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Far_Out_6and_21 day ago
+1
Cool
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_MaZ_1 day ago
+1
Pandora's box
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MartyMacGyver1 day ago
+1
Every day is another great day for Russia to quit this war and go the f*** back behind their borders!
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Emotional-Wish36381 day ago
+1
This is great news, swarms of AI kamikaze death drones flying overhead will be sick as f***
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Squidd-O1 day ago
+1
AI piloting drones assigned the task of autonomously deploying lethal or potentially lethal weapons is extremely concerning on a conceptual level
Imagine being hunted by an enemy that is unstoppable via any conventional means and can swiftly deploy deadly force with extreme precision... That's horror story tier stuff.
AI should never be allowed to autonomously deliver lethal force, ever.
Just because "Russia bad" doesn't mean such weapons are justified - White phosphorus, chlorine gas, nuclear weapons, and now this...
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