Listnook thinks everything naughty is a war crime, so it's largely meaningless to say here - but yeah, this is one of the big, extremely cut-and-dried ones.
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Dr-Billa11 hr ago
+8
Nobody cares about war crimes anymore really
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ThomYorkeSoup9 hr ago
-1
No, warcrimes are just happening at an unprecedented rate these days
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UptownShenanigans7 hr ago
+2
World War 2 would like to speak with you about what unprecedented means
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Rjoukecu20 hr ago
+21
It's disgusting, but in all seriousness, war crimes are just empty word at this point.
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VatoCornichone18 hr ago
+4
US killed 180 school girls in Iran and noone gives a f***
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Kaffe-Mumriken9 hr ago
This isn’t gonna be the greatest news, but if Trump bombed all the power plants and multiple civilian targets after the “destroy civilization” tweet, it might not have amounted to genocide.
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reddit_user1319 hr ago
+5
War crime’s so hot right now.
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CaptainLoggy18 hr ago
-16
Depends, you can absolutely execute a POW if convicted of some other crime
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MaxedMinute1 day ago
+582
Executing prisoners of war is about as low as you can go. It's right up there with raping and pillaging.
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superseven271 day ago
+195
I always think about stuff like this, when people try to tell me, that it's only politicians hating each other and the common people are actually brothers
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MaxedMinute1 day ago
+121
Yeah, a quick look through history shows a significant portion of humanity is perfectly okay with commiting horrendous acts against others if there are no repercussions. Honestly, I wouldn't be at all surprised to find it correlates with poltical ideology. It seems about a solid third of humanity is just psychopathic.
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That1_IT_Guy1 day ago
+34
People, what a bunch of bastards
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0XiDE1 day ago
+10
Have you met them all, Roy?
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Ludwigofthepotatoppl1 day ago
+27
It takes abuse and conditioning to get most people to do that. The way russian soldiers are browbeaten and harassed by their commanders and fellow soldiers plays a big part—the dehumanizing treatment they receive is institutional, and necessary for them to treat others the same.
The reason the nazis industrialized their extermination techniques was because, no matter how hard they dehumanized their “undesirables”, the men they charged with the task hadn’t been dehumanized themselves, and as a result it took a terrible toll on the majority them to see their work done. It’s one thing to *hear* about it, and to know it’s happening, but if you’re sufficiently insulated from it you can carry on more or less just fine, but most ordinary people put face-to-face with it will be fucked up by the experience.
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MaxedMinute23 hr ago
+15
I served in the United State Army during Iraq and Afghanistan. I met some seriously sick fucks. I'll stand by my estimate of about a third of people being psychopaths. We'll a third of males at least. As for you example of Nazis, yeah psychology played a role, but they seemed more concerned with efficiency and the cost of bullets than anything. They were able to find people willing to stuff humans into ovens still after all.
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Activision1921 hr ago
+5
When I was in high school in the mid-late 2000’s an army recruiter set up a booth in my school’s cafeteria. After he asked if I was interested in the army (at the time I was kinda thinking about it) he proceeded to tell me about how many dogs I could shoot if I joined up and how many he shot during his recent tour in Afghanistan. It was a really weird way to try and attract me to the army. I politely declined since I was still exploring my options for college, so the dude went to my house like an hour later (while I was still in class, I assume he got my address from the school, according to my mom he was disappointed I wasn’t home) and proceeded to tell my mom I was wanting to join and gave her a bunch of army swag to give to me. Lead to a very awkward dinner conversation that night with my parents.
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AngryAutisticApe19 hr ago
+3
that is so creepy. glad I don't live there
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Activision1915 hr ago
+1
Eh, I’m assuming they got a copy of the student directory, which had every students phone number and address in it. They gave a copy to each student at the beginning of the year.
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AngryAutisticApe8 hr ago
+1
I mean just having military recruiters in school trying to get me to join.
and then they even have access to the student directory.
sounds dystopian to me.
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Watney353512 hr ago
+1
Omg. What a piece of shit.
I used to admire military service until I joined and discovered that half of the people I worked with were reprehensible and/or incompetent people.
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freekoout19 hr ago
+1
Maybe a third of people who willingly join the military. But most people would rather live in peace.
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CadianGuardsman14 hr ago
+1
On top of this in Australia it was pretty common knowledge our commando regiment was basically a warcrimes regiment.
I rememeber covering the US Marines in Darwin making a puff piece on ANZAC-US cooperation and like pilots flat out would say they didnt want to talk about the Aussie Commandos. Found out later why.
(For those who dont know if helis were at risk of being overloaded some of our commandos had a habbit of walking away from the evac choppers and "loosing" the prisoners in a firefight. Blew up a few years ago and now theyre charging individuals for warcrimes.)
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Dependent_House707721 hr ago
Our entire civilization and moral framework is merely a veneer on top of our animal instincts
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TonyTheTerrible1 day ago
+129
Which Russian troops are well documented doing, including to their fellow soldiers and countrymen
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MaxedMinute1 day ago
+63
Yeah, it's definitely not a new thing. Russians were absolutely brutal to the Polish during World War II and the years following. Pretty sure they've committed genocide on the Ukrainians at least once too. Can't imagine why Ukraine wants no part of being under Russian rule.
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CptPicard21 hr ago
+10
Look up Holodomor. Intentional starvation.
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auchinleck91723 hr ago
-16
Ukrainians also massacred Slavs during World War II, and the Ustas also massacred Slavs.
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PowerhousePlayer22 hr ago
+18
Okay, which is why it's good that the Ukrainians in the modern day aren't trying to conquer any Slavic nations
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MaxedMinute23 hr ago
+16
Whataboutism... Doesn't change what going on now.
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megaplex6622 hr ago
+5
Two wrongs never make a right.
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AsthmaticRedPanda16 hr ago
+2
Spierdalaj bocie i idioto
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xroche1 day ago
+42
> It's right up there with raping and pillaging.
You've just described the russian army in the last hundred years.
As brutal as the nazis, but without their discipline.
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LargelyInnocuous21 hr ago
+6
United Nations 3.0 is needed with teeth to depose obvious dictators and censure those trending that direction. Russians have lived under the oppressive regime of the tsars and new tsars and several consecutive generations of propaganda has broken their society. We see similar things happening in the US and Israel. I think the billionaires may need a reminder that if you can’t be happy when you already have everything, you could have nothing at all.
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DoodleDew1 day ago
-11
What “settlers” of Israel are doing as well
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Adept_Noise574123 hr ago
-4
Be careful, I got a warning for saying that
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auchinleck91723 hr ago
-20
It's not because they're Russian that they're brutal. France and the United States also committed massacres and war crimes after 1945, but they faced almost no consequences.
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xroche23 hr ago
+16
The difference is that this is by design in the Russian army.
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auchinleck91723 hr ago
-11
Russia, Ukraine, the United States, and Israel....all these countries claim their attacks were "accidental," but they clearly attacked civilian facilities and other targets intentionally.
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Sharp_Win_79891 day ago
+7
Or double tapping and killing the first responders or families.
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megaplex6622 hr ago
+6
That's Russia for ya.
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Raven_Photography22 hr ago
+3
Don’t worry, the Russians are doing that too.
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AvidCyclist25013 hr ago
+1
Vikings not so cool right now.
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mystery_science23 hr ago
-8
Right up there with hitting a school with a missile...
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Ok-Activity480823 hr ago
+18
Yeah, Russia did that too. They also hit child hospitals, civilian shelters, historical churches and much more.
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mystery_science23 hr ago
-12
Terrible things to do no matter the circumstances. I am by no means arguing that Russia is "better" clearly the oligarchs have turned too many of us into consumers who only care about our own comfort
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MaxedMinute22 hr ago
+3
Sure, but don't forget using civilians as a shield or putting a school literally right next to a military target.
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mystery_science22 hr ago
-1
Yes, those are terrible atrocities, but, does it justify using a missile? I'll add on that the attack on Iran that was unjustified
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MaxedMinute21 hr ago
+2
So was the attack on Ukraine. I don't know. Maybe we should all just stop shooting each other?
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mystery_science21 hr ago
+1
I f****** wish
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Ok-Pair454723 hr ago
-12
It is happening with Ukraine as well… Drone warfare has completely negated surrender protocol. These countries still blow you up regardless and there is no repercussion.
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Karli_Chirk1 day ago
+144
Russian thugs as usual.
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Situlacrum1 day ago
+172
That's Russian truce for ya.
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Euphoric-Garden-12101 day ago
+108
What the f*** happened to that easter truce, huh?
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AElectronics1 day ago
+46
they dont believe in religion, only evil
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Flyingcoyote1 day ago
+22
Don't pretend like religion never hurt anyone lmfao 😂
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queen-adreena1 day ago
+16
They crucified it.
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damojr1 day ago
+11
Nailed it.
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AvidCyclist25013 hr ago
+2
> The General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine reported that 469 violations of the ceasefire regime by Russian forces have been recorded since 16:00 Kyiv time. The Russians carried out 22 assault actions and 153 artillery strikes and deployed nearly 300 loitering munitions against Ukrainian positions.
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Objective-Bike-42929 hr ago
+2
Every time Putin negotiates a Truce they always violate it. This is like the 6th time this war this has happened
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macross19841 day ago
+74
Hope Ukraine can identify the unit and commander for warm reception later.
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Legitimate-Cow598220 hr ago
+9
Russians really speedrunning the pariah competition huh
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Grizz-Lee-28911 day ago
+12
happy f****** easter...
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Artanox23 hr ago
+5
Cant afford to feed them.
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Green-Cap-393417 hr ago
+10
even if true, you don’t kill them. you take their weapons and let them go.
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Optimal_Anxiety686418 hr ago
Was gonna say, isn’t this what happens when rations are tight. No soldier is gonna give a prisoner food when they are hungry
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Patrick435622 hr ago
-9
This happens constantly, but you only ever see people on Twitter crying about Russuan soldiers being blown up by drones get viral attention
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sovietarmyfan1 day ago
-30
In theory, what would happen if in response Ukraine executed four Russian POWs? And every time after this every time Russia executes a Ukrainian pow, they execute a Russian pow?
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FeelsYouGood1 day ago
+55
Nobody would surrender and the war would just become even more cruel than it already is.
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Jopelin_Wyde22 hr ago
+8
Russians killed Ukrainian POWs hundreds of times. As you can see people still surrender. People will continue to surrender because hope that you will be spared is a much stronger force than fighting to the death.
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DaemonPrimarchJ1 day ago
+2
Exactly, and the people in charge of the Russian forces don't care if a few of their men get killed, they will just find some more and force them to fight too
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queen-adreena1 day ago
+7
Then war crimes for everybody!
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Ok-Pair454723 hr ago
-16
They already do
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[deleted]22 hr ago
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yosypjagger22 hr ago
+13
So wtf is he doing in Ukraine? He could stay home.
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JuniperJupiter419 hr ago
+2
You can't surrender to a drone. It has no way of securing you and taking you out of combat.
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General-Researcher-21 day ago
-146
"Deepstate analysts reported that the russians had used first-person view (fpv) drones to deliberately kill wounded ukrainian defenders near huliaipilske in zaporizhzhia oblast."
Are we all going to pretend here that there are no such videos in almost every compilation from the Ukrainian side?
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cosakaz1 day ago
+73
There’s several videos of Russian invaders being killed by drones, but the videos I’ve seen were from combat in Ukraine. I haven’t seen footage of drones vs Russian ‘defenders’.
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Flayer7231 day ago
-42
In the non-political use of the term defenders IE troops in a defensive posture
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Scared-Room-99621 day ago
+36
Russian defenders? In Ukraine?
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Direct-Apartment52261 day ago
+22
The point here is that it was done during the announced truce on Orthodox Easter
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FewTelevision7921 day ago
+10
Hey 1 of my ears is deaf. Can you repeat from the other side?
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r0bbiebubbles1 day ago
-89
Careful now, you can't say things like around here.
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[deleted]1 day ago
+37
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r0bbiebubbles1 day ago
-65
So this is just a Ukrainian circle jerk?
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cosakaz1 day ago
+41
Looks like an execution to me.
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r0bbiebubbles1 day ago
-60
Both sides are guilty of it. But somehow calling out Ukrainian war crimes is taboo.
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Scared-Room-99621 day ago
+26
How many russian defenders have you seen executed by Ukrainian?
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r0bbiebubbles23 hr ago
-2
Why are you adding defenders? It makes no difference if they're a defender or an attacker.
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cosakaz16 hr ago
+3
There’s a difference between a random bloke walking down the street and a person who breaks into your house, kills your family, and burns it down. Maybe it’s a personal moral failure but they would be treated very differently.
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nixie20001 day ago
+37
Were talking about POWs being targetted here, not regular combatants. I've never seen any evidence of Ukraine doing that, and I've been following this war for years. It matters not how old the enemy is; if russia choose to field older soldiers, then they're still valid targets. And throwing your hands up as an FPV comes in for a kill doesn't make you a POW or a non-target.
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r0bbiebubbles1 day ago
-17
>And throwing your hands up as an FPV comes in for a kill doesn't make you a POW or a non-target.
Yes it does. That is recognised as a surrender by the Geneva Convention.
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nixie20001 day ago
+26
Just to be clear I said "as an FPV is coming in for a kill"...it's too late to do it then. Like if a sniper has already pulled the trigger. Also if they're still armed and capable of combat that adds ambiguity. If a soldier raises their hands but keeps a weapon pointed forward, the surrender signal is ambiguous and an attacker may reasonably question its genuineness.
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auchinleck9171 day ago
-31
A Russian military FPV drone approached a car to destroy it, but at the last moment it detected civilians and called off the attack. So, attacks can be called off even at the last second.
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Diesel_Donkey1 day ago
+13
On the other hand, I've seen countless videos of Russians deliberately targeting civilians.
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Zuparoebann1 day ago
+13
Source?
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auchinleck91723 hr ago
-3
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g1pmWIn6NQg&t=7s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g1pmWIn6NQg&t=7s)
Sure. What I was referring to was the part of the video around the middle, where makes a “greeting ” These posts were also posted on Listnook around the latter half of last summer, but they seem to have all been deleted.
Ukraine is also using drones to attack Russian civilian vehicles and ambulances in areas near the Russian border.
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Zuparoebann23 hr ago
+5
Looks like Russian propaganda to me.
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auchinleck91723 hr ago
-6
The video ends on a neutral note, it doesn’t come across as propaganda.
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Zuparoebann23 hr ago
+6
They literally single out Ukraine as the one routinely targeting civilian vehicles and ambulances, as if these random clips of drones recording cars are proof that Russia isn't doing that.
Russia is the agressor and has been targeting civilians from the very start of their senseless war. If you ask me Ukraine should be free to target whatever and whoever they need to in order to defend themselves.
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nixie200023 hr ago
+2
Absolutely they can. But I am doubtful the russians would ever do that. Do you have a link to your claim? Given their ongoing human safari tactics actively targetting civilians in Kherson I doubt it happened. I hope it did...but I've not seen that reported anywhere.
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GrattaESniffa1 day ago
-29
search better
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nixie20001 day ago
+24
reply better
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MaxedMinute1 day ago
+37
You're missing one very key thing here. The Russians can pack up and go home anytime they want.
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quad_damage_orbb1 day ago
+11
>I honestly don’t back either side.
One country has been invaded and is defending itself. Even if what you are saying is true (which it isn't) it would be perfectly clear who you should support.
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Kokhin30001 day ago
+24
If you don't back either side, you're backing Ruzzia. Or you're american, which is exactly the same.
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auchinleck9171 day ago
-32
I once saw a video of Ukrainian soldiers executing a surrendered Russian soldier (wearing an EMR) and then double-tapping the fallen Russian soldier's head. The camera angle was the same as in that video.
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Aware_Steak_12981 day ago
-123
The video evidence shows they were being hunted by UA drones while they were apprehending the UA soldiers. When they realized they were getting targeted they executed the soldiers, either shot the drone or It hit an object, and run away. I don't know If they would do the same or not If they weren't being hunted but both killing pows and attacking the personal that took pows is a warcrime according to Geneva. Both sides did the same things time and time again especially Ru killing pows and UA targeting units carrying the pows.
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Careful_Breakfast_231 day ago
+31
The Geneva convention doesn't distinguish between a combatant and someone detaining prisoners. The Russian troops are still armed and performing a military function, so they are combatants. The IHL only states that attacks which endanger civilians must provide a concrete military advantage, but it does not apply since POWs are not civilians. The Geneva convention does clearly state that: in any unusual circumstances in which prisoners cannot be evacuated, they must be released. The only ones committing a war crime were the Russians regardless of whether you think they had a choice.
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Aware_Steak_12981 day ago
-64
In short, once a combatant has surrendered, they are hors de combat, and the soldiers handling them are, for the moment, not participating in active combat, making them immune from direct attack. https://www.icrc.org/en/document/FAQ-rules-of-war-ihl#:~:text=What%20kind%20of%20treatment%20are,are%20in%20line%20with%20IHL. You could just google It
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Careful_Breakfast_231 day ago
+30
You just linked the website without any citation... are you expecting me to somehow divine which specific statute(s) you're referring to? Article 41 of Additional Protocol I clearly states that "a person is 'hors de combat' if: he is in the power of an adverse party; he clearly expresses an intention to surrender; or he has been rendered unconscious or is otherwise incapacitated by wounds or sickness, and therefore is incapable of defending himself." There is nothing said about combatants handling prisoners because they are still participating in hostilities.
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Aware_Steak_12981 day ago
-20
Just google It I am not your mother
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Dr_Terry_Hesticles15 hr ago
+3
If you make a claim then YOU are the one responsible for providing evidence to support it. This is how misinformation spreads like wildfire on the internet
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Aware_Steak_129813 hr ago
-3
If you write on google It is the first thing that pops ups by AI or you can simply ask any AI. I wont read and copy several web sites and their alterations just to win an argument which can easily be checked in a minute.
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Dr_Terry_Hesticles12 hr ago
+3
Ok, so you can’t provide evidence to back up your claims. You’re a waste of time
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-kinapuffar-11 hr ago
+3
This dude out here quoting AI. Genuinely do everyone a favour and never express an opinion again.
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nixie20001 day ago
+50
"according to Geneva"...bullshit. A comabatant is a combatant, whether they are holding POWs or not. The stipulation is you don't take out the POWs if you're targetting the combatants (i.e. guards), which is pretty damn obvious.
Have you got a link to this so called Geneva Convention rule? Because one doesn't exist. There's nothing specifically saying soldiers guarding POWs can be targetted either. However, they **are** still classed as combatants and there is no exclusion for when they're guarding POWs.
The POWs on the other hand are protected. I'm not quoting it all here. Research/read for yourself.
[https://www.icrc.org/en/law-and-policy/protected-persons-prisoners-war-and-detainees](https://www.icrc.org/en/law-and-policy/protected-persons-prisoners-war-and-detainees)
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Aware_Steak_12981 day ago
-61
In short, once a combatant has surrendered, they are hors de combat, and the soldiers handling them are, for the moment, not participating in active combat, making them immune from direct attack.
https://www.icrc.org/en/document/FAQ-rules-of-war-ihl#:~:text=What%20kind%20of%20treatment%20are,are%20in%20line%20with%20IHL.
You could just google It but your brain did not brain
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