If true, this shows Ukraine can still project force deep into Crimea despite heavy defenses.
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Heavy_Secret_2031 day ago
+65
Air defense hunt goes in Crimea if not daily, but at least a few times per week. Power is projected, but the war goes on and on and on.
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Otherwise-Ad51831 day ago
-37
This!!!!!
Thank you.
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CaRzOonn1 day ago
+2
Yeah, it’s easy to underestimate that capability from the outside.
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dawnraid1011 day ago
-57
Ok chatgpt
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Mistravels15 hr ago
+3
Wtf?
What could POSSIBLY have led you to believe that was AI?
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Kubrick_Fan1 day ago
+45
Slava Ukraine!
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tampapat541 day ago
+77
Don’t worry, Donny boy will just let him borrow some of ours
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FollowingFeisty532123 hr ago
+9
AUKUS? Nah.
RUUS? Yeah!
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ScaffOrig1 day ago
+39
Europe flexing its muscles. Three way showdown here (ignoring Israel's aims). All we need is China to join in and we're well on our way to WW3. Might not even need that.
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nishitd1 day ago
+84
China is just chilling whereas everyone else just destroys themselves. Kinda like USA in early WW1
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BolunZ61 day ago
+20
That's USA strategy in WW1
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Catoblepas20211 day ago
+37
Churchill said, "You can always rely on the U.S. to do the right thing, after they have exhausted every other option."
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Imbendo19 hr ago
+4
Churchill also said "**I went to bed and slept the sleep of the saved and thankful." -** when he learned the us had entered the war.
He also said in his memoirs **"No American will think it wrong of me if I proclaim that to have the United States at our side was to me the greatest joy."**
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VagueSomething1 day ago
+36
That's USA in WW1 and WW2. They profiteered from Europe being at war then join towards the end and claim all the credit while avoiding 99% of the consequences.
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svideo20 hr ago
+9
The consequences were largely born by European countries, which makes a lot of sense seeing as it was *their war*. USA made out like bandits after Europe elected to blow itself up, again.
That's not quite the USA's fault.
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VagueSomething20 hr ago
+3
Indeed it isn't their fault but it is far less romantic than the propaganda after WW2 that Americans were taught.
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bblackow1 day ago
+20
WW2 started in 1939. Pearl Harbor when US officially joined the war happened 2 years later in 1941. VE Day was in 1945. So the US being a part of the war for 2/3 of the duration is “joining at the end”?
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Bhaal5275319 hr ago
+5
It’s Listnook everything U.S. is bad now.
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snake_adobo19 hr ago
+5
Aren’t the majority of listnook users American?
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Bhaal5275318 hr ago
+6
No the majority are bots.
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snake_adobo16 hr ago
Yeah. Sure.
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Sufficient_Plate_5951 day ago
+7
Hundreds of thousands of dead Americans in each war is pretty consequential
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VagueSomething1 day ago
+11
Literally tens of millions died in each of those wars, with WW2 being closer to hundreds of millions. 6% of the entire British male adult population died in WW2 alone, with it being 12% of British serving dying. The USA serving loss was 2.5%, the raw numbers are quite close but the sheer weight of it is rather different. While that sacrifice wasn't small by human loss, it was far more recoverable and far less impactful for the nation. Scale matters, entire European families wiped out with bloodlines ending and no one to take on their crafts.
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Sufficient_Plate_5951 day ago
+13
Yes, scale matters. By your own figures US didn’t avoid 99% of the consequences. I’m not arguing that European nations didn’t suffer more in a European war than the US did, but I am taking issue with your 99% claim. USA suffered plenty
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VagueSomething1 day ago
-4
So your issue is I said 99% instead of 97.5%? Factor in the damage to European buildings, heritage sites, damage to economic output, food shortages, civilian casualties both from direct war and from the famine caused through it. Yes the USA was mostly sheltered from the consequences of war, Americans do not have those scars that shape modern European culture.
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Sufficient_Plate_5951 day ago
+5
Yes, I take issue with your use of the figure 99%. Again, I agree that European nations suffered more from a war that occurred on their home turf. But like those nations, USA sent an entire generation of men to war, many of which never returned and many more came back scarred. While it’s impossible to quantify how that weighs against % returned in body bags, desecration of land, etc, I think your statement was hyperbolic and minimized the huge sacrifices and contributions of American soldiers and families
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VagueSomething1 day ago
+3
The USA didn't have war happening in their homes. The USA didn't lose entire family trees. The USA didn't have the culture fundamentally shifted by famine and suffering. Look at how offended the American public felt during Vietnam, now imagine if they saw the horrors of war on their own doorstep and their own neighbours disappearing in bombs.
Many Americans made the ultimate sacrifice but America stayed detached from the whole ordeal. It was compartmentalised, it was detained, it was overseas.
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Orfiosus1 day ago
-1
99% is being generous, American civilian and military casualties account for 0,6-0,8% of the total.
But I completely agree minimizing it is unreasonable, it mattered and generations later it is still appreciated.
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Select-Elevator-66801 day ago
+2
In both cases, Europe was at war ***with itself***. Why are you so obsessed with claiming the Americans who fought for Europe didn’t suffer enough consequences? So because Europeans had it worse it couldn’t have been consequential and significant to Americans?
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VagueSomething1 day ago
+6
Check the word you used yourself. Worse. Objectively that's what it comes down to. Americans haven't been raised with the same scars as Europeans and it is seen in their culture and foreign diplomacy.
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No_Branch_508323 hr ago
-9
Europe is a continent, not a country, numpty.
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Imbendo19 hr ago
+1
That's because europe and russia were actively being invaded. When inflation is taken into account, the US gave Great Britain over 800 billion dollars in aid. Also, 1/3 of every dollar spent on the Russian war effort was donated by the US.
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WorstCPANA1 day ago
-6
Oh shut up. What a perversion of history.
Europe was at war and we sold weapons to the not nazis....the country didn't want to go to war and you're sitting here saying we stayed out just to profit from it?
And to act as if we just went in towards the end of WW2 and brushing off our involvement is not only a perversion of history but straight up lying because you want to trash the modern US.
It's not our fault that Japan, Germany and Russia wanted world domination. We helped a huge amount of countries throughout europe, North Africa, and Asia to fight them back.
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VagueSomething1 day ago
+1
I am sorry that you hate facts about your country's history.
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WorstCPANA1 day ago
+1
Again, it takes someone incredibly naive and ignorant to think what you said has any basis in reality and si anything other than listnook propoganda. What historians books or other sources have you used to base your opinion on?
You clearly just have no clue what you're talking about, but you love those sweet internet points, don't you?
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VagueSomething1 day ago
+1
Oh please, it isn't like you'll read anything I list or link. If you would then you'd already be less nationalistic.
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WorstCPANA1 day ago
-4
I didn't plan to read them, I just wanted to see if you actually could list any sources that back up what you're saying, because I'm pretty sure if you were being honest, you would just link to some listnook comments.
I have a degree in history and a focus in history of Nazi Germany, I just don't think any mainstream source of information and our understanding of countries roles in WW2 match what you're saying. So again, I'd be impressed if your sources were anything other than listnook comments.
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VagueSomething1 day ago
+3
So you're admitting to Sealioning rather than caring about information. Admitting you're engaging in trolling tactics because you take personal offence to what is said is hardly a good look.
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Imbendo19 hr ago
-6
You do know that the US contributed more material resources to WW2 than Great Britain and Russia combined, right? And for free. Not to mention the 10 million enlisted personal that fought in both the Pacific and the European theatre. Also, the US was never at risk of being invaded during ww2. Europe had to fight because they had troops in their countries or knocking on their door. The US volunteered to help.
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Awkward_Patience_6111 day ago
+5
While everyone expends fuel and ammunition.
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rugbyj1 day ago
+5
I mean they’re definitely not _chilling,_ but they’re not committing themselves to ridiculous conflicts just yet. Just planning for one.
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nastywillow18 hr ago
+2
Still WW4 will be on equal terms for all nations.
They've all got sticks and stones handy.
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Rootspam1 day ago
-23
Flexing what muscles? They can't even get the 90bn aid package through because of two small countries...
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Extension-Toe-70271 day ago
+10
One of them just folded last week, we are a breathing down the neck of the second
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ScaffOrig1 day ago
+4
The problem we have is that majority of the people commenting and most the EU politicians have forgotten what the Ukraine war was even about.
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Cermano1 day ago
+1
Well? Whats it about then?
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BadBoyNiz15 hr ago
+1
Sbu?
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europorn14 hr ago
+5
It's the initials for the Ukrainian Security Services.
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RarelyReadReplies10 hr ago
+1
It seems like Ukraine is beginning to gain the upper hand more and more. I keep seeing positive articles like this lately. I'm glad so many other countries stepped up in the absence of any US help. Especially with Orban gone now. Slava Ukraini! 🇺🇦
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gudbote10 hr ago
+1
At this point I'm surprised the losers even have any warships left to strike.
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EC_CO1 day ago
+2
Slave??!?
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Chubs122422 hr ago
-6
Currently this is a claim with little evidence. This is actually the third time in this conflict Ukraines SBU has claimed to have hit that same ship.
There was an attack but honestly I will wait for photographic confirmation to verify.
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matdan1221 hr ago
+1
Probably because sinking a ship in harbour is harder than at sea, it took multiple strikes to finish off the Russian ballistic missile submarine when it was dry docked.
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