Secret Service agent assigned to Jill Biden accidentally shoots himself in leg at airport

Until the gop convention....then nothing is off limits. At least according to grinder press releases.

They’re at least power bottoms, right?

Holy shit, never connected those three characters before but that’s a cool fun fact!

Oh yeah I haven’t seen any of those, that makes sense then. Thanks

They absolutely do, but since US Army adopted the military versions as the M17/M18, some police departments started adopting them as well. To my knowledge though, many police departments allow quite a bit of personal choice when it comes to sidearms. I have a cop friend, he said it varies from department to department but at his current department he’s allowed to carry just about any sidearm as long as he’s qualified with it at the range and it doesn’t go against any of their policies (no special modifications like extended mags, dot sights, etc).

Its the money. Departments get crazy deals that outcompete glock, and since sig was accepted by the military they can look past the reputation to pinch some pennies. (By pennies i mean potentially a shitload of money)

When i was in the Air Force in 2001 everyone had a Beretta 9mm on deployment.

They do use glocks, this guy is talking out his ass

Good luck brother I get dogpiled over the same facts. Put a no-safety firearm on an overloaded duty belt in holsters that don’t always guard the trigger. One loose radio antenna and it’s kabloowie.

Yeah, "Glock leg" was a thing for *years* (and might still be, for all I know). Basically, if your finger is on the trigger while you're reholstering your glock/sig/other striker fired gun without an external safety, the side of the holster can push on your finger, resulting in you shooting yourself in the ass/leg.

SIG's response to this whole thing has been nothing short of outrageous. It's one thing to have a manufacturing or design issue. It happens. But to deny it for years is ridiculous. They should be banned from any government contracts over it.

Sig's repsonse is a great way to draw more attention to it, but I do think it's overblown and most of the UDs are actually people f****** up putting it in a holster. Regardless, there does appear to be *something*, but it's clearly not affecting the entire line or we'd hear even more that are definitively not user error. I've put thousands of rounds through my P320, plenty of holster drills, and all that and nothing. I don't blame anyone that doesn't trust the gun though. Hell, even though I think mine's fine, I stopped using it regularly for competition and switched to a Beretta.

Because no one can recreate it without putting stuff holding the trigger down? Not one person recreating the problem does it without putting a screw or something into the trigger.

With Sig’s involvement with entities inside the US government, it’s almost certainly a half assed cover up at this point. So much money being poured into these defective guns via tax dollars; it’s not just embarrassing for the manufacturer, but also embarrassing for the government. I do think that the fact that the exact cause is yet to be determined gives Sig some temporary legal protection. You can’t properly sue for negligence if you can’t even determine how exactly it malfunctions. It’s like trying to convict someone for murder but you can’t determine how the other person was killed. Tricky situation but these guns CLEARLY and REPEATABLY demonstrate the same problem and should be recalled…

Gotta apply the formula.

He got fired at.

Yes. Yes they do.

Honestly, a short prison sentence might be warranted as well. People die from negligent discharges, they're not just an "oops, my bad"

This is my safety sir. Although if it was a Glock they're usually carried with a round in the chamber, the tool decided to pick it up with his finger in the trigger guard evidently.

Generally yes, accidental discharges are not a thing. There are exceptions to that. Sig allegedly has some trigger issues with one of their guns a couple years ago. Remington also had something similar problems with the Model 700 around 2010.

Except if you have a sig. those just goes off by breathing on it

that basically confirms it's a massive issue, only the guilty would need to whine this much

They do, except they don't. They have a safety that deactivates when the trigger is pulled, but it doesn't care if what pulls the trigger is your finger or not.

I mean, in this case we're talking about a Secret Service agent assigned as bodyguard to a First Lady to a former president who is violently hated by hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of armed, mentally unstable people. If I had to put together a list of "people in the US who are most likely to need a bodyguard to quick-draw to save their life," Jill Biden would probably be top 10 or 20.

Check out active self protection on YouTube. He has a number of videos on real situations that address the debate of carrying with one chambered or not. There are plenty of instances when having a round good to go absolutely was the difference between life and death, and the good guys were able to defend themselves and walk away. Of course everyone should only carry how they're comfortable and how they train, and don't carry a p320.