It should be noted that caning is not new in Singapore schools, what’s new is that bullying is now punishable by caning.
As a Singaporean who grew up in one of the rougher schools in the 2000s, it wasn’t uncommon for the very first assembly of a semester be a public caning, where students would be caned in front of the whole school. I never got to find out what it was for, but they’d have boys wearing lifejackets line up to bend over a table and recieve their canings. Presumably it was for a more severe issue, as there were also canings that happened privately in the discipline master’s officer.
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ponyponyta4 days ago
+82
Why the lifejacket ?
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Longjumping_Sound6924 days ago
+172
so if the cane misses the buttocks, it does not land on their back.
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Reddit-runner3 days ago
+20
How considerate....
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Gadzooooks4 days ago
+74
To protect the student’s back, in the event that the cane misses its intended mark.
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mmanut944 days ago
+32
So the kids in the back can see them
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Nexusofthought4 days ago
+10
How common is bullying? My partner, Singaporean in her 30s, says she doesn't remember kids bullying each other, and was shocked when seeing bullying portrayed in north american shows
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tlst99994 days ago
+20
Of course not. Bullying happens away from the teachers and the public eye.
So long as certain children are convinced that another child is beneath them, bullying will always exist.
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EndUpstairs21064 days ago
+38
most bullying is pretty invisible, nothing like the stuff in shows
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Gadzooooks4 days ago
+5
Can’t say for sure, I don’t have statistics for it, but certainly exists. Perhaps your partner simply has had the fortune of being spared the experience, whatever reason it may be.
Like in many other countries, kids will be kids and will pick on the ‘weird’ ones or the ones that are too different from the rest of the pack. Left unchecked or unmanaged, it can escalate into bullying.
I was physically bullied by a ‘friend’/classmate for 4 years in secondary school. He was a physically imposing dude who himself was (non-physically) bullied by the rest of the class for being a weird guy. He was in the same co-cirricular activites as me and was someone I regarded as a close friend at some point despite that, perhaps out of pity for him or something, him being the ostracised kid. He took that for granted though and he seemed to in turn take out his frustrations on me physically.
Bringing it up to the adult figures was a complicated affair because on the surface, we seemed like good friends (or rather, I was his only friend), and it was always blown off as ‘boys being boys’ or something to that effect, so nothing was ever really done to address the physical bullying directly.
Toward the end of our days in that school I stood up for myself and told him to f*** off, and he got upset about that, cut me off. Years later in our 20s he tried to connect with me again because we ended up working near each other, and was genuinely confused when I indicated I wanted nothing to do with him before an apology in the least. Still haven’t gotten it.
To this day, in my 30s, I still reflexively flinch when other friends touch me, whether by accident or from behind to get my attention.
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ApprehensiveDelay7711 day ago
+2
I did not experience it as a kid though I did observe it happening to other kids. In adulthood I ran some community workshops in primary schools, and a key theme that emerged was bullying as a problem the kids wanted to solve for their friends. I asked the form teachers if they knew about it, and some admitted there are some serious behavioural issues, while others brushed it off more lightly as kids having disagreements.
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StarktechJanitor4 days ago
+15
So f****** barbaric
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exploding_myths5 days ago
+637
in u.s. public schools, it was known as 'paddling' and was usually administered with a hand-held board with pre-drilled holes for less air resistance. the paddles were often hung in plain site as a deterrent.
can't believe how quickly i recalled that, considering i can barely remember what happened yesterday...
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karmagirl3144 days ago
+453
They never seemed to use them to punish bullying though, just for punishing kids who disrespected teachers.
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landob4 days ago
+98
We essentially got it for any and anything stupid as far as behavior was concerned. Teacher, fellow student, janitor, bus driver. If you did some dumb shit you got the paddle. (80s up to early 90s Texas)
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dr_badhat4 days ago
+17
Early 90s? This went on through the 2000s in Tennessee. I’d be surprised if they still didn’t regularly do it at some schools.
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psychicsword4 days ago
+9
I grew up in the 90s in Massachusetts and I assumed this stopped in the 70s outside of maybe old school catholic private schools. It was such a distant history and not something you would remotely expect.
You saw this happen in the 2000s? Maybe this explains the differences in education outcomes.
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dallyan4 days ago
+9
This was public school?
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New-Geezer4 days ago
+4
Yep. In the Northern school I went to there were a few teachers that had those paddles, but the art teacher had a wooden spoon named “Charlie”. It even had a crude face painted on it.
Eta a few words
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Sheriff_Yobo_Hobo4 days ago
+3
Seems like more often teachers want the approval and friendship of bullies in the usa.
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GoldyTheGopherr4 days ago
+20
I just had to run on a treadmill in the principles office lol Texas grade 3. They still send forms every year for parents to approve corporal punishment, though paddling doesn’t really happen.
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exploding_myths4 days ago
+12
back in the day, a paddling at school was only a precursor if word reached home.
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Yardbirdspopcorn4 days ago
+45
Our school had those paddles. They sent out permission slips for parents to sign so you could get a whooping at school. My mom said absolutely no. I don't think it was used for kids who were bullies so much though, those were mostly the more wealthy kids in our school and from what I remember it was almost always boys from low income families that were sent to the office to get the paddle. I remember a lot of us kids thinking that they picked on certain kids while giving the real assholes a pat on the back. Also not sure if Singapore has problems with girl bullies or not, but in the US it's certainly a problem and it seems like if you plan on beating boys with a paddle you should be whooping the mean girls too.
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exploding_myths4 days ago
+15
lol, there were plenty of injustices on how punishment was doled out.
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Yardbirdspopcorn4 days ago
+6
Were, still are, that does not make me laugh.
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Discount_Extra4 days ago
+6
educational for how adult life works.
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Fast-Cartographer1923 days ago
+2
Same in sg too, no punishment or discipline for mean and toxic girls
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SweetAlyssumm5 days ago
+65
I am old as dirt and my schools never did that. I guess it might have varied regionally or locally.
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Dejhavi5 days ago
+58
[It depends on each state](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_corporal_punishment_in_the_United_States#:~:text=%5B29%5D-,Current%20state%20law,-%5Bedit%5D)
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MoistMolloy4 days ago
+20
PA didnt abolish it until 2005. We had the very used paddles in plain sight too, and I remember classmate in middle school getting hit for acting out. Dude still was elected class clown though so not sure how much it worked 😂
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CharcoalGreyWolf4 days ago
+4
Aka “the board of education”
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ExoticWeapon4 days ago
+8
Always does
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Strawbuddy4 days ago
+19
My school in OK had shop class make their own paddles to be used on them by the Principal. It was a completion grade project for seniors
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XLauncher4 days ago
+11
I want to believe at least one senior sabotaged their paddle, as a favor to those who would come after.
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Eledridan4 days ago
+7
I want to believe anyone that did a paddling later received a severe beating from a grown man that didn’t forget.
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Idrawstuffandthings4 days ago
+2
My dad also made one of his school's paddles in shop class! Apparently his paddle hurt the least and classmates would come thank him afterwards.
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exploding_myths4 days ago
+15
in my experience, it was definitely more common in the south.
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glaive19764 days ago
+19
My schools never had a paddle or any corporal punishment. The closest I ever came to seeing it was at science camp. One of the kids in my grade level was such a little shithead that his parents gave our vice principal a letter authorizing him to spank the kid if he deemed it necessary.
Narrator:
After a 2.5 hour bus ride, the kids arrived and debussed, were instructed (nicely) to grab their packs and follow the leads to the cabins. That would be when the spankee decided to scream out, "F*** you, I'm not carrying shit, you can be a good b**** and carry my shit for me!"
This was screamed directly at and in defiance of the vice principal. Who audibly sighed and then extracted the letter from his breast pocket and proceeded to read it aloud before the entire sixth grade, all of the cabin leads, the camp owners, and the staff, before bending the kid over a knee and giving him about ten good whacks to the backside.
By bedtime, his new nickname Spanky had already traveled through all of science camp (girls side and other schools on site) and was making its way back home. Spanky himself made it until lunch the next day, where he popped off again, and his parents were called to come pick him up because our poor VP was done with him.
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7CostanzaJr4 days ago
+9
Omg his poor parents, they only got a day, a night and I guess a morning away from that little shit.
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gazagda4 days ago
+5
I disagree, his parents are responsible for the kid being that way. Kids in general are born blank slates and will grow up based on the parenting….or lack of.
However, there are kids born with certain developmental issues, but you will see that from the start. My nephew was like that, he actually spanked a teacher once. He needed very special help that his step mom provided, very painstakingly. Guess what ??? He improved drastically and was on his way to living a constructive and productive life……till his idiotic dad took him away and undid years of therapy and care.
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ishitfrommymouth4 days ago
+9
More common in the South
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meatball774 days ago
+13
Still done in the South. I had a friend whose husband was transferred to Ft Polk. Flipped out when she read their paddling policy which basically said they'd do it even if you said no if they couldn't contact you.
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ermghoti4 days ago
+4
"OK. Make sure you use a paddle you don't mind being shoved up your ass."
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YourFixJustRuinsIt5 days ago
+8
It was a thing in Florida
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jpiro4 days ago
+6
Can confirm. My middle school had a dean who was a former NFL lineman and getting sent to his office for a paddling was something most wanted to actively avoid.
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InformalWish4 days ago
+6
Still a thing in Fl, but you have to opt in now.
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PlaywrightOfGefilte4 days ago
+5
As a Floridian high schooler, I’ve never seen it at my school but probably happened in other places.
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InformalWish4 days ago
+4
I have never seen it either, It's only a possible in 19 districts (out of 67), But I do know that it is currently legal with permission in some of Florida.
Edit: records do indicate it was used like 500 times in the 2023 to 2024 school year!
https://www.wctv.tv/2025/08/14/new-florida-law-lets-parents-opt-spanking-schools/
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country2poplarbeef4 days ago
+5
Oh, definitely. I was born in late '80's, and I still remember getting my wrist slapped for eating with the wrong hand in Tennessee.
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bloomlately4 days ago
+3
Paddling was pretty much over when I went to school in the 80s and 90s. Part of that was in Texas too where apparently some school districts still allow it.
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skippyspk4 days ago
+21
Those aren’t bullet holes! They’re SPEED holes!
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Time_Farmer65554 days ago
+15
Drilling speed holes in your paddle? That's a paddlin'.
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Katatonia134 days ago
+5
Beating me to too it? That’s a paddlin
Paddlin the school canoe? Oh you better believe that’s a paddlin.
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sylbug4 days ago
+30
Fun fact: trauma can cause severe memory loss. But you always seem to remember the worst bits…
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Boring-Research4104 days ago
+5
Caning is 10xs worse than paddling though
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keicarlover20024 days ago
+7
as that one guy from the simpsons said, that's a paddlin'
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Tesser4ct4 days ago
+3
"Air resistance" It was to reduce the weight of the paddle.
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51ngular1ty4 days ago
+3
The fact they carried out punishment in front of class when I was in the first grade was insane. There is no reason she should have been punished as hard as she was for what she did.
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DRSU19934 days ago
+3
Paddlin' the school canoe... now that's a paddlin'.
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Certain_Luck_82664 days ago
+3
I came up right on the cusp of them removing paddling as an option. One teacher didn't like the new rules at all and came up with a clever plan to circumvent it. She had a smaller paddle where you were expected to hit your own palm with it. Turns out boys are the main instigators of classroom disruptions and boys also want to outdo each other in front of the class...so it became a badge of honor for the boys to hit themselves as hard as possible. It lasted until one kid drew blood on himself and it all came to an abrupt end.
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smallsociety4 days ago
+6
Caning is way,way,way different than paddling.
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jebei4 days ago
+7
I went to Midwest US grade school in the early 1980s and we still had 'paddling'. I distinctly remember my 7th grade math teacher who had a paddle on the wall he called 'black beauty'. First day of class he set the rules - be on time, do your homework, and be courteous - or you'd get a 'wack'. Everyone knew the man's reputation and we were all scared before walking in. But kids being kids - on that first day someone told a joke that made fun of a girl's appearance -- and we all laughed. Everyone was guilty but he calls out the biggest boy in class and took him into the hallway. We all watched through the door window as he was paddled.
I was never a great at being on time or doing my homework but after that first day I was never late and the homework in his class was the one I always completed. At the end of the year my grades were so good I was put into AP Math and being into those classes led is part of the reason I got great scores on the ACT/SAT and into a good college of my choice.
I'm not saying corporal punishment is good but fear of consequences definitely motivated me to push myself. Funny part was is after a few years I realized the whole thing was a performance. He never paddled anyone after that first day, he didn't need to. I've always wondered if the kid he paddled was in on the act.
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Just_Let_MeIn4 days ago
+9
If that kid was in on it and it was an act, then that's a pretty brilliant way to set the tone for the entire school year.
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Katatonia134 days ago
+2
That’s funny if the kid was in on it, but you don’t need to use physical fear. I grew up in a small town. I got stopped for speeding by a cop whose wife used to babysit me. I got the lecture and a warning and moved on. A few months later he ran into my parents. I would have rather had the ticket or a paddlin.
Years later my mom (the mean old math teacher) convinced me to get a sub cert during Covid. Day one the principal was introducing me to an 8th grade class. “He’s way meaner than his mom.” “That’s not true, if we have an issue I’m just sending you to your math teacher.” The look of terror was enough. Then we watched gravity falls.
It helped that I knew the parents. I never had an issue with a kid, at least not the ones that were… well… it’s not their fault they were abused.
If anyone is slightly interested in subbing. Do it. It actually gave me a lot of perspective about people I know as adults.
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fallingdowndizzyvr4 days ago
+2
Yep. I remember that paddle when I was a kid. That little ledge below the chalkboard was the paddle holder. It also doubled as the chalkboard eraser holder.
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Yeetstation44 days ago
+3
I think I remember my dad once said if someone did that to me he'd find and beat them?
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spacenglish4 days ago
+2
Did they use that only for boys, or were girls also meted the same treatment?
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4255654 days ago
+84
I thought caning was already done as punishment against various other infractions.
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AntiqueMarionberry744 days ago
+51
That’s the cane that rips your flesh from your ass. This is the lite version.
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cakeday1734 days ago
+8
This "lite version" isn't anything new. It was a thing when I was in school in the 2010s, though by that point it would generally be conducted in private rather than in front of the whole school like the other comments say
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cakeday1734 days ago
+2
Yes it is, they're just expanding it to include bullying
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censored_babexo4 days ago
+45
Erm, this is kind of misleading because Singapore did not "introduce" caning for bullying; we've always had public caning for bad behaviour in school.
Source: I grew up in Singapore and have seen caning been carried out.
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darwinistinabox3 days ago
+3
Bad behaviour is a broad term. While bullying also falls under that umbrella specifically making it a caning worthy offense makes it harder for authorities, the offender's parents/guardians to argue that that was just "kids being kids". Especially if there are written indicators for what is considered bullying and not just your Mr. Teacher idea of what that is.
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Furiator4 days ago
+11
You guys do realize you're just allowing full grown adults to beat up the children they hate right?
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ChefCurryYumYum4 days ago
+411
Terrible idea and is prone to all the abuses you would think. I went to a school for a year in a country that allowed this kind of thing, I was lifted by my hair as an elementary student because the PE teacher thought I didn't stand up fast enough. Really he was just an a******.
Corporal punishment does not belong in public schools.
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TheOriginalKrampus4 days ago
+22
20SGD says that this brings in a new type of bullying: bullies lying about their victims being bullies so that the school does the bullying for them.
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L_Cranston_Shadow4 days ago
+23
The thing about authoritarian (some would argue they rise to the level of totalitarian) states like Singapore is they don't care what anyone thinks. Not foreigners, and generally they only give lip service to e en their own citizens, which is why the same party always wins, large groups are restricted without permission, and free speech is only allowed in one easily monitored and controlled location.
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TheOriginalKrampus4 days ago
+15
My spouse is a former public school teacher from SG.
It’s a very repressive government. If you’re a member of the majority group and keep your head down, they’ll leave you be. If you’re a rich foreigner who is straight, you’ll love it.
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pedantic_dullard4 days ago
+16
My kid is in counseling because he considered suicide because of the incessant bullying at school.
If applied properly, and I know that is a big if, I would say the punishment fits the crime.
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11911004 days ago
+17
The problem is a group of bullies could lie and say that the person being bullied is the bully
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cheesaremorgia4 days ago
+14
There is absolutely no way this will be applied properly.
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Due-Zucchini-85204 days ago
+13
Applied properly?
Enlighten me, what is the proper way to physically abuse students?
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CaravelClerihew4 days ago
+3
We all knew teachers growing up who were unfair, vindictive or just plain terrible. How much worse would it be if those teachers also had the power to cane you?
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[deleted]4 days ago
+27
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No-One21234 days ago
+116
Well, Singapore is one of the safest countries in the world. So something there is working.
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FireMaster12944 days ago
+20
Probably the mass surveillance tbh. People had a choice (not really tbh) and decided safety over privacy. And it works really well. I just hope their government doesn’t go the ol’ completely corrupt route because in a system like that it is VERY easy to do
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Alone_Scale83694 days ago
+3
Yeah I hoped so too
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boner794 days ago
+3
Yep. Never felt safer in a city. Also never felt more paranoid about Big Brother.
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demostenes_arm4 days ago
+39
Look, any Singaporean who visits say downtown LA or downtown San Francisco will conclude that Singapore is doing far better, without any need for “government propaganda”. The fact is that you can go out practically anywhere in Singapore at 9-10PM and see old folks doing exercise, kids playing on playgrounds and couples hugging in public benches.
I however agree that whether corporal punishment or death sentence is the reason for it is debatable.
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meanvegton4 days ago
+14
In SG, I've been out at 1-2am, walking my dog where ladies, in their sports attire, ears plug into their music runs alone on the street and running into secluded area.
To me, they feel like a potential victim in the next Jame Patterson novel.
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FireMaster12944 days ago
+2
It’s a side effect of “this is why we can’t have nice things” responses to people who ruin society for the rest of us. Chewing gum is nice. Except some people are obsessed with sticking it everywhere. So Singapore banned it. A bit extreme? Maybe. Probably. But it gets the point across of “hey don’t be an ass”
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zack770704 days ago
+4
You can also do the same in Tokyo or Seoul or Beijing or Taipei and they don't feel the need to beat the shit out of their citizens.
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heubergen14 days ago
+4
Or people support it because they think it's a good idea, you don't need to find a conspiracy theory to support a common sense solution.
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FireMaster12944 days ago
+9
Physically beating people is common sense?
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RepulsiveLoquat4184 days ago
+133
unfortunately many kids bully because of the physical abuse they're already receiving at home. there's got to be a better way.
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Reversi84 days ago
+80
Cane the parents?
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Ok-Armadillo-56344 days ago
+18
That would have gotten me a beating I probably would not have survived, or at least would have had a permanent limp. The swats we got by the principal were a joke compared to the 15-30 minute long beating we could get at home occasionally.
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Reversi84 days ago
+36
Cane the parents to death?
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Superhero15824 days ago
+22
You are so solution-oriented, I love it.
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Paldasan4 days ago
+3
Parents then go and take it out on their kids because they've been caught out and embarrassed because they got caught out. They'll blame the kids for that and not themselves of course.
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ashoka_akira4 days ago
+43
As an adult I look back at the behaviour of some of my childhood bullies and definitely wonder about their home lives.
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Kopie1504 days ago
+19
I dont think about my bullies home life. Just because their home life could be bad didnt justify making my school life bad. Get beatings at school get beatings at home. I still regularly think about how Hell my home and school life was partly because of the bullies tho. Will never forget that.
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dancingbananas254 days ago
+3
There was a kid I was bullied by in elementary school, and looking back on it, I feel like he probably didn't have a great home life. It sucked getting bullied, but I hope he's doing okay.
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Sea_Variation_68454 days ago
+3
Not necessarily. I got bullied relentless just because I was from a minority race.
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WildRacoons4 days ago
+2
Let’s hear it
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BuscopanV4 days ago
+51
Singapore *reintroduces* caning for boys who bully would be the more accurate title.
We took it away once, bullying cases skyrocketed. There is intense pressure on the ministry to do something especially as kids these days seems to be pushing it. 2025 Sengkang case, 2023 suicide case were highly publicised.
Schools are meant to be safe spaces for everyone. Schools are also meant to correct behaviour to socially acceptable standards (or ‘brainwashing’).
Corporal punishment has seemingly worked previously in schools before being taken away in the 2000s, and it works well in our legal system. I honestly don’t see a big downside to bringing it back for the worst behaviours. It’s not like we are caning for simple mischief. Bullying has an intent behind it, and it leaves permanent psychological scars on the victim. Any form of deterrent is important to safeguard the other children.
The mindset is also different between Asians and westerners. Physical punishment is still seen as somewhat acceptable for the most severe infractions.
It isn’t the most ideal option, but it seems that most other ways are simply not working.
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trueum264 days ago
+11
It wasn’t never taken away. My school had a public caning in the early 2010s. I have not seen any statistics stating that bullying cases in SG have increased. CNA/ST reporting bullying cases does not mean that bullying cases have increased.
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coolbacondude4 days ago
+6
Public caning isn't done anymore as far as I'm aware. I had never seen a public caning from 2011-2020. Private caning, yes. I knew people that had to go for caning and they would usually be unfazed after, not too sure what caning would do when it's used so commonly here. Straits Times did an article on the same topic and they stated the ministry published recently data showing bulling cases increased in 2021-2025. Bullying cases has gotten worse if you read the news. There's so many more bad bullying cases too like the death threat to the mom, suicide cases, etc.
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wwabbbitt4 days ago
+3
Bullying increased in 2021-2025?
Wonder if that is related to something major that happened in 2020
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fishblurb4 days ago
+3
One problem is Tiktok videos (and parents) are telling kids that they are legally immune to any repercussion while they are under 18. It emboldens the "fence sitter" bullies.
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sylbug4 days ago
+113
When in doubt, try physical abuse! That’ll learn ‘em not to physically abuse others I am sure.
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pponmypupu4 days ago
+28
Public shaming probably stings more than the physical pain itself.
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vercertorix4 days ago
+8
And creating kids who are resentful, motivated to regain a sense of control, and can take a hit. Brilliant.
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swiebertjee4 days ago
+30
Ah yes because telling them to stop has worked wonders.
If you have ever experienced bullies, you know that hitting back is the only option. Anything else is seen as weakness.
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Lammergayer4 days ago
+32
A child hitting their bullies back can *sometimes* stop them--assuming that doesn't just piss them off worse. But the child's only responsibility is to protect themself, while the adults around them need to be actually trying to stop the behavior in general. A bigger and stronger adult hitting a bully just teaches the bully that it is in fact perfectly fine for bigger and stronger people to hit those weaker.
There need to be much stronger anti-bullying measures including harsher punishments, but said punishments shouldn't include physical violence.
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Bus_Stop_Graffiti4 days ago
+5
Yeah, the adults saying they're justified in hitting the bully doesn't really address any internal justifications the bully has for bullying their victims, it primarily imparts the idea that incorrect/"incorrect" behaviour should be resolved through physical violence. The ones on the recieving end of that 'lesson' are more often than not the bully's future children, if no one else.
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fishblurb4 days ago
+2
force is the only effective deterrent lol, take a look at nuclear weapons and how countries who dont have em ended up...
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severed_serpent4 days ago
+21
Why does it only apply to boys?
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KalaiProvenheim4 days ago
+6
"Because girls are delicate" is most likely the rationale
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Hopeful_Ad_77194 days ago
+31
Do they cane girls who bully each other?
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Capable-Crab-74494 days ago
+25
Nah caning is a privilege reserved only for singaporean males. Just like national service
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FUCKING_HELL_YEAH4 days ago
+22
As a matter of fact I can confirm that if you read the actual article posted you could find the answer to that question.
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Old_Yak_33814 days ago
+29
Singaporean here, got caned in school in 2004 or so (was 14) for hitting a classmate in shop class (design and technology) with a hammer as a joke.
Im pretty glad they whooped my ass for it, not gonna lie. Taught me to not be a dumb little shit.
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qatanah4 days ago
+5
just boys? there are girls also who bullys..
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Nwadamor4 days ago
+6
This doesn't change a thing.
They just build resistance to beating.
I stopped feeling pain from flogging at age 12
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Furiator4 days ago
+6
Not allowed for girls because it would be sexual, while it sure as hell is sexual for the boys either way. We're failing as a society. It disgusts me.
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Ashamed-Review-9134 days ago
+14
what about girls who bully others at school? they don't get caning?
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doctor-yes4 days ago
+5
Nope. They are exempted. Ridiculous all around, from caning at all to making it just for one gender.
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ExpressLab65645 days ago
+43
Ehh. There was always caning for boys. I went to a all boys school. I witnessed it happening at least twice in school. This was in the late 90s
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imnottin4 days ago
+5
This sounds misleading. I'm from Singapore, and I got caned in front of my peers during the weekly assembly for stealing when I was 15. This was like 20 years ago? Caning has always been around, but it is for extreme cases.
It felt more like a badge of honour rather than an embarrassing event though.
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Faux-Foe5 days ago
+78
If you’re going to get caned for bullying, you’re going to make sure the bullying is severe enough to make the caning warranted.
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Rgagas4 days ago
+42
I'm from Singapore, Ive seen 5 people bully 1 guy, they'd wrapped him in window covers of the class windows and proceed to bash his head on the metal bar and glass window until the glass breaks, bleeding and everything..
Some kids are merciless.
/edit, yes they all got canned publicly in school, the next morning during our flag raising ceremony, we have to assemble at the hall to watch the public caning of all of the bullies. This was more than 10 years ago.
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StarktechJanitor4 days ago
+16
That's not bullying that's attempted murder. Put them in jail, remove them from society. Don't just maim them and let them do it again.
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RemoteGuy014 days ago
+3
Did it work? Did those kids stopped bullying?
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WhoDat-2-8-34 days ago
+6
> Did those kids stopped bullying?
those kids are now singapore police
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Aggressive-Tax-40874 days ago
+2
It's funny cuz it's true...
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Responsible_Oil_58114 days ago
+3
Hasn’t Singapore always had school caning?
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cakeday1734 days ago
+2
It has
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huntsab20904 days ago
+3
That will make them a good citizen… not
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WorkingHealthy71204 days ago
+3
I like how SEA people be like “Oh ye that’s fine”
Then we got westerners arguing about it
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afeeqo3 days ago
+3
Was from a local school. I was the quiet reserved type. From primary to secondary. Got bullied incessantly. In secondary 2 or 3 can’t recall as it’s almost 2 decades ago back in 09. I was late and consistently. I hated school because of the hell hole of school. I tried changing school to no avail. Teachers weren’t supportive, principals wasn’t as well. Got rejected to 4 of the schools I told my mom I wanted to change to.. back to me being late, my PE teacher was also part of the disciplinary team, I was late one day, was my 4-5th time being late. He outright says the school will have to cane me. I quiver and shouted back at him, go ahead and cane me, I will tell my parents to write in to MoE. I had a letter from my dr saying that I have IBS, my IBS always acts up when I was about to go to school. I only knew later that it was due to my anxiety/depression that triggers my tummy aches in the morning. Long story short, my PE teacher put me aside asked me to go to his office. The first thing that came out from his mouth was to ask me to apologise because I had shouted at him. Soon after, I dropped out of school at 15 didn’t complete my GCE, I started working at 16 till NS. I was a victim and yet I was being punished. I didn’t have proper support system so I didn’t have proper education. I worked my ass off for 10 years.
I’m glad for my family as they were patient albeit being busy with work and my other siblings.
Now I’m going back to do my studies (I had done some part time during my working life) and I try my best to call out the bullies. I was bullied through and through and I’m glad my mental fortitude and resilient builds up as I age.
Honestly, caning won’t help. Is calling out and shaming them that works.
If caning is the solution, would they have punished my peers in my Co-curricular activity as well for making a mockery of me for having the “yellowish feet in the band” and giving me a certificate for it? It was clear as hell that I was the target.
I hope those going through bullying and mental health crisis because of school finds the support they needed. It took me so much effort just to steel myself.
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Vulpes2064 days ago
+15
I’m glad bullying is taken seriously but this is not a good way to do it. Too easy to be manipulated against the wrong people.
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Relevant_Eye13334 days ago
+5
behaviorally speaking, if they define the behaviors that will result in this consequence, and apply it judiciously, it should result in a decrease in behavior.
that being said if a child can engage in bullying and doesn't get caned because they talked their way out of it, their parents said something, they did a behavior close to but not the definition, then you'll teach them a series of new behaviors that serve the same function.
proper punishment must be clear and fair and should be applied quickly so the child learns this action resulted in this consequence.
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SuchProcedure45474 days ago
+6
I see no possible way this could go wrong... Definitely won't see kids using this against other kids they don't like....
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bunky_done_gun4 days ago
+10
Is there a correlation between those who want to spank kids in schools and those that diddle the kids in schools?
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SplendidPunkinButter4 days ago
+10
Teach kids not to bully by teaching them that it’s acceptable to beat the c*** out of children who misbehave
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SemiHemiDemiDumb5 days ago
+42
Yeah I don't think that's gonna work
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Jahobes5 days ago
+45
Say what you will about draconian Singaporean laws, but since they introduced corporal punishment for lawlessness, the crime rate basically plummeted.
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DaOldOne5 days ago
+44
there's also 3 other aspects of society that the worlds only successful dictator implemented. Guy running the show said, we are making english the national language, investing in getting the most foreign talent to move here, and we are making sure everyone has housing. Now though life is crazy, you have to work hard as f*** there. A 10 year fee for owning your car is like $100K or some wild shit like that and they've basically run out of the guaranteed housing for the first time and ppl are waiting 10+ years.
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ratherbekayaking1214 days ago
+9
My mom's best friend is Singaporean. A few more things.
That housing is a flat and you don't own it, but you're leased it for 99 years.
There are casinos in Singapore, but Singaporeans cannot gamble there. Foreign tourists can. Singaporeans can gamble if they're staying in the hotel, but not anyone can. My mom visiting Singapore is usually a cause for my auntie's family to have an impromptu reunion at the c***** near them because of her foreign tourist status.
I'm forgetting a few other things, but my mom goes about two-three times a year. Usually Singapore is a pit stop before the real trip.
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leo-g4 days ago
+50
Inaccurate - am actually local Singaporean
Public and some private housing is leased for 99 years - nothing stopping you from reselling the remaining lease and getting one that is fresh. It’s common in Europe, especially UK. This keeps housing from becoming slums and force constant renewal.
Any local can visit the c*****, there’s just a $200 tax upfront. It’s to discourage locals gambling.
Singaporean regulations may seem odd but actually there’s lots of policy planning done behind the scenes or it’s straight up some practice from the UK.
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phoenixmatrix4 days ago
+2
The 99 year lease is basically how countries do condos when HOAs/condos aren't a thing. It's pretty common as you pointed out
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aktivate744 days ago
+8
Your points about Singaporeans cannot enter the casinos are inaccurate.
1. Majority of Singapore can enter casinos. They just need to pay the levy. Nothing to do with whether you are a guest at the c***** hotels.
2. The only people who can't enter are those who are banned from the casinos or have some gambling issues.
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CorrectPeanut54 days ago
+2
Don't forget legalized sex work, plenty of alcohol, and generally if you can have a night out without drugs it's a good time.
Though, my understanding is drug crime for under 30 is actually up about 10% in recent years.
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rclonecopymove5 days ago
+7
But you can't say what you want.
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Jay__Riemenschneider4 days ago
+15
Ya know after the last 10 years I really question how good of a thing it is for the the entirety of society.
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rclonecopymove4 days ago
+7
Who makes the decision what I can or can't say? You?
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Jay__Riemenschneider4 days ago
+8
I wasn’t being serious but thanks for pulling me back to reality.
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yourlittlebirdie4 days ago
+3
Look at Michael Fay, the American kid who was famously caned for vandalism in the 90s, he learned his lesson and went on to straighten up and lead a good life. Wait no, he descended into addiction and ended up arrested multiple times for DUIs.
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maninzero4 days ago
+6
The issue was he went back to America after the sentencing, where the laws are laxer. Singapore ex convicts are checked upon and the Singapore Prison Service do help them reintegrate into society. Michael Fay only got the punishment and not the help after due to jumping back to America where the US police didn't follow up on the post jail checkups, leading to reoffending.
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Jahobes4 days ago
+18
In America. He didn't ever do that shit again in Singapore.
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yourlittlebirdie4 days ago
+3
Because he left Singapore.
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tc42374 days ago
+4
He can always return to Singapore to try...
😂
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AnArabFromLondon4 days ago
+3
Was that because he was caned or because of whatever caused him to become a vandal?
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yourlittlebirdie4 days ago
+7
Either way, the caning didn’t seem to help much.
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AnArabFromLondon4 days ago
+6
I'm not a fan of corporal punishment but that's a sample size of 1. There are plenty of anecdotes to go around about how beatings set people straight, the thing is, they're usually too embarrassed to admit it.
Singapore's policy is a last resort, and just 3 strikes with welfare followups, if you read the article. I do actually wonder if that could be effective for certain violent kids who impose violence upon others but have never felt the consequences or any retribution.
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gotele5 days ago
+15
Humans are complete idiots.
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AbortionHoagie4 days ago
+4
How did they manage to hit "Well done, it's about time!" *and* "Holy hell, that's fucked up!" without hitting ANY of the middle ground?
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einsteinvisahokder4 days ago
+6
I thought this said “ caring” and I was like how nice did they find a way to use therapy for bullies?
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Kurainuz5 days ago
+9
This only incentives bullies to preassure the victims even more while offering them no more protections aid or making reporting easier and safer.
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garishi4 days ago
+11
punishing violence with violence. great.
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PurpleSailor4 days ago
+2
Singapore, come for the punishment olympics!
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top_drives_player4 days ago
+2
Doesn't that just indirectly incite violence?
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Own-Dependent-46014 days ago
+2
some people online are cheering this because they remember brutal school bullying, others see it as state-approved violence. feels like one of those debates nobody’s changing their mind on ()
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KeonXDS4 days ago
+4
Canning in schools isn't a new thing in Singapore btw. It has been a thing in the past, way before even some people here were born. Also the bully parents are inform beforehand and the school must seek permission from the parents before the school is allowed to cane the student.
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Abject-Ad18764 days ago
+3
Then the bully victim can get beaten up twice once they finally stand up to the bullies and get caught by the teacher.
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Leto-III-Atreides4 days ago
+3
So the bully's will just taunt the kid then get then to relaiate in front of the caner so the bullied kid gets their ass whopped twice
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corbie4 days ago
+3
Bullies are usually abused and it is why they are bullies. How is caning them (abuse) going to help?
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chikaipii4 days ago
+8
As a Singaporean who has witness school caning during my school days, I think you foreigners have a big misconception.
The students are brought on stage in front of the whole school and caned with pants on, with a regular size cane. Not those serious caning like in jail where they take your pants off and your butt skin splits after a single stroke. The whole process was not astonishing. My schoolmates who got caned, just shrugged it off and grew up like any normal corporate slave with no trauma whatsoever.
The whole idea is to public shame on bullies and sending a message to the rest. It’s better than having the bullies getting off with no consequences while the victim suffers silently.
Is it effective? Debatable. But if I’m the victim, I sure would like to watch them on stage getting whipped than some behind the doors soft ass useless counselling
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zekronix4 days ago
+5
I witnessed one as well, when I was in Secondary school. The students were underage smoking in a public place wearing the school’s uniform, someone took photo and sent it to the school. Right afterwards the boys were caned in front of the whole school. However they still had pants on and some wore extra clothing inside. Most of it is just a humiliation ritual.
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fuhrerkingpaimon4 days ago
+4
Yea it's not what they imagine at all, it's very much the avoided punishment unless the case is quite serious or you repeat an offense. I think most of them imagine any and every teacher will be able to dish out corporal punishment, when in reality only like 2 teachers in the school are allowed to administer caning and they basically handle all the cases. Plus it's really not painful especially if you in upper sec already.
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chikaipii4 days ago
+3
Yes. I think they think it’s like every teacher holds a cane in the classroom and cane whenever they find bullies.
That’s what I experienced when I’m in primary school though, until it was banned by MOE shortly after. lol
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dday05124 days ago
+2
What is with Singapore and violence? Everything about that place seems so nice, then you hear about the bloodlust.
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IAMJUX4 days ago
+11
You dont get a reputation as a utopia without a shit load of dystopia.
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RiD_JuaN4 days ago
+5
harsh penalties and strict enforcement -> less crime
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fermat99905 days ago
+4
Such caning can leave permanent scars
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[deleted]5 days ago
+2
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fermat99905 days ago
+18
So we can delete the prohibition against "cruel and unusual punishment" from the US Constitution. Just don't be a criminal.
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Responsible_Sink30445 days ago
+12
The kind of person you're arguing with will almost certainly be on board with that tbh
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fermat99904 days ago
+2
Hahaha! I think that you are right!
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SmellyMammoth4 days ago
+8
They’re children. Sometimes they don’t make the best decisions.
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unnameableway4 days ago
+2
Bully the bullies. Nice.
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ar34m4n3144 days ago
Ugh, it's well established that this is a bad idea and makes the bully behaive worse long-term. Can policies please be tied to quality research?
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Aggressive-Tax-40874 days ago
+3
Singapore is one of the safest countries on the planet though. Seems like it does work.
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RaguraX4 days ago
+4
I agree it probably won’t work, but on the other hand, it annoys me when someone brings up research that says “Method A” doesn’t work, but doesn’t actually bring up evidence of something that does work. In this case, nothing has been found to actually work, so the best course of action is to do… nothing? That can’t be right either. We still need to stop bullying. And I bet short term, the term within which the victim is suffering, the bullying might stop through punishment. Still not supporting actual caning, but I’m also not going to lie down at researcher’s feet.
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Dhiox4 days ago
+2
Torturing children isn't an acceptable solution for anything. Period. The fact that a modern nation like Singapore still uses medieval punishments is just disgraceful.
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Canisa4 days ago
+2
New bullying technique: Convince teachers you're being bullied by your victim so he gets caned.
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fludblud4 days ago
+2
If we look at the current state of our public schools, its not hard to realise why our ancestors resorted to corporal punishment in the first place. After all, Its not like people natually like beating kids anyway.
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Cybasura4 days ago
+2
We *literally* have had caning for the longest time, its just that over the years they try to reduce corporal punishment but recently its gotten to be so heinously bad, they gotta bring it bad to fight against bullying
To put it into perspective, I was bullied for almost 6 years in my primary school days, and NONE of those bastards got punished, this was in the 2000s
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The-Shattering-Light4 days ago
+2
Because abusing someone really fixes all behavioural issues 😡
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