Smoking ban for people born after 2008 in the UK agreed

What’s the US rate?

It wasn‘t though bexause it was born after 2008

They're banned in China *because* of big tobacco and the money that goes to the Chinese government. Just because they're "made in China" doesn't mean they're dangerous. Like I say, in the UK they're extremely well regulated.

Yeap, people have been doing that way before any companies existed

Worst mistake I've made in my entire life and I've made some really bad ones

I stopped cold turkey last year. The night sweats and headaches that followed in the weeks after was awful.

Yes, I found it very hard to kick the habit. Best thing I did in my life. Second best thing was giving up drinking. Now, I am working on loosing some weight. 👍

Listnook is so detached from reality.

Hm, I remember that too. It was during the 2020 election. And there was such a huge blue wave that Georgia flipped for the first time in my entire lifetime. Arizona, too. The 2020 election was a pretty huge blue wave. A record number of people voted for democrats in 2020. In 2016, it wasn’t just Listnook who thought Trump would lose. It was the entire world. No on back then thought someone that trashy would win. The pollsters got it wrong, everyone did. Hell the animatronic model of Trump in the Hall of Presidents was CLEARLY hastily remodeled for Trump. Even Disney was caught thinking Hillary had it in the bag. 2024, I didn’t really see much enthusiasm or any overwhelming feeling that Kamala was going to win. If anything it was a nervous, tense election due to Biden completely failing in the debate. Jon Stewart was screaming from the rooftops to anyone that would listen about how bad this election cycle was. And how bad of an idea running Kamala was. There were a few people experiencing their first election who claimed that 2024 was mirroring 2008, claiming Kamala was more popular than Obama, but they were few and far between. And then there were a small number of people who thought the election was hacked. But for the most part everyone knew that Trump won and the claims of election hacking were just desperation. So in short, it wasn’t just Listnook claiming a blue wave in 2016. 2020 really WAS a blue wave, and 2024 no one outside of a few delusional people thought it was in the bag.

I knew the orange idiot was going to win the first election, but I thought America was smart enough to deny him a second term. Turns out, we're collectively fools.

Listnookors always seems to be simultaneously super culturally liberal but the second a law is passed that effects people personally they turn into raging libertarians real quick. Same goes for the age restriction debate around social media and requiring id. A majority of voters support age-gating social media, but you ask any listnookor and it's 1984 and the government is going to bust your door down if you are anonymous online.

The denial that was taking place during the '24 election was shocking.  It was clear as day the Democratic party was screwed, except to listnook apparently 

>but that doesn't necessarily mean arresting people in the UK for online jokes, which is what the UK has taken it to mean. This is almost never what actually happens. Fearmongering over this is way way exaggerated, much like how London has been taken over by Sharia Law and whatnot(which is less exaggeration and moreso complete bullshit, but similar people spreading these claims).

You do have to account for lost labor potential too, both directly due to premature death rates, and due to rates of having not created offspring prior to that premature death. On the flip side, the rate of offspring created prior to immature death also directly correlates with rate of childhood dependents on social systems (and foster care). Smoking also has a detrimental impact on tourism, results in workers spending more of their day being inefficient, and of course we have to account for the individual fiscal impact of smokers (who demographically tend to be from lower economic class backgrounds to begin with) spending large amounts of their income on cigarettes, which inevitably increases longterm need for support from social systems.

I could see it making cigarettes uncool as well. Like pipes with my generation… associated with old (uncool) people

It already \*is\* the gateway drug.

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They always were

Smoking is definitely considered cool again haha. It had a huge downfall but the kids going out these days smoke(I am one). Vaping lowered it but now everyone is vaping, cigarettes are different and more expensive, makes you cooler and then you get the resurgence.

It's also association. If you drink a Pepsi after a day of work is over you'll start thinking Pepsi relieves stress when it's.......Pepsi. All intentional though, like how they're associated with sex as well, that's the most successful marketing campaign ever and bleeds into jokes and media to this day and probably long from now too.

Not quite. I was a very light smoker - I could make ten cigarettes last two weeks - and I found that "post-breakfast cigarette" to be an indulgent, decadent, de-stressing experience. I also vividly remember having a few puffs of a cig before an exam in High School - back when I barely smoked at all - and the tension just evaporating from me as if by magic. So cigarettes are a stress-reliever - certainly for me, formerly a very light smoker. I can't speak for how much stress it relieves in heavy smokers, though.

That's blatantly false. Besides own experience invalidating your blanket statement, you should know that for example people with mental problems frequently self-medicate with nicotine, yes? They don't get depressed or bi-polar from smoking/nicotine, they alleviate their burden. I'm fine with disagreeing with smoking on the basis of damaging compounds or it being highly addictive. But wild demonization and lying about positive effects (which is so easily disprovable) serves nobody:  not those reducing stress, not those self-medicating, not campaigns aiming to stop smoking.

It was a stress reliever for me. I only smoked during COVID. And quit cold turkey after that. 

This is a misunderstanding of how laws are designed. Laws aren’t indented to perfectly prevent everyone, because thats never possible, they are meant to significantly lower the likelihood. Murder being illegal doesn’t mean no murders are committed, it means less are. The fact I can walk down the street without half my neighbour being meth addicts means its working.

Yeah but weed actually does something. Tobacco just gives you an itch that you need to constantly scratch to keep from feeling shit.

The people buying in Australia are already addicted, the point of this policy is to prevent that.

That doesn’t mean more people are smoking. It’s mainly because a pack is $50.

You say this, but this is the same government that won't ban cousin marriage despite it having a much higher cost on the NHS.

I think we should regulate their use more like we do with smoking. Ban indoor public use, designte vaping areas. Etc. No problem with someone doing it as long as its considerate of those around you.