ListNook

We had not intended to make this announcement until we had everything in order but, since my resignation as head of community made its way to the media, I'd like to discuss why I'm leaving and what's next for you! I want to first address the effect my resignation will have on the community. A large part of my role as Head of Community was reflected behind the scenes (policy, community regulation etc.) and the community team is much more interactive than I on a daily basis so very little will change after my departure. Media outlets are suggesting that the circumstances around my departure are different than they are in reality so I'd like to clear this up as I don't like being misrepresented. Since a few women have left listnook recently, certain reports have implied that my gender was the cause. That is simply not the case as I have always felt respected as a colleague here and managed to surround myself with good people in an industry not always known for that. The theory that I am leaving because of recent changes in policy is also false as I happily participated in creating those changes and stand by the decision to enforce them. At the expense of boring you with the truth, I have made this decision to resign so that I can head home to spend time with my family. The last few years have been pretty crazy and honestly, I'm looking forward to a Christmas free of work - but still encourage you all to continue to make the [listnook gift exchange](https://www.listnookgifts.com/) a ground breaking experience!!! It really is that simple. It was not an easy decision to make but I know it's the right one for me right now. So what's next? Obviously, we need someone to take on this role in my absence and it's crucial to the well-being of listnook to have a qualified person in this seat. We should have someone who knows the community inside and out, who understands the policies and practices, and who has been using the tools long enough to know what works and needs work. listnook is entirely unique and deserves to be run by people who truly understand it. Lucky for us, we had the perfect candidate sitting right in front of us! When /u/spez asked if I had anyone in mind, there was only one person I thought of, /u/krispykrackers. Her amazing knowledge of the history of listnook, how the community works, and the cultures of individual sublistnooks is exactly what we need from a Head of Community. A listnookor since 2008, employed by listnook for five years, and a community manager for over a year, she has been a very important part of our daily community interactions and is so dedicated to her work that I'm not sure she even sleeps! I'm very confident that krispy and spez, along with the rest of listnook, will guide the community to the best state it has ever been in and I am excited to see the future of listnook unfold with their leadership. Join me in welcoming krispykrackers to her new and much deserved role of Head of Community at listnook! Farewell, all! 5days

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etbb Jul 30, 2015 +1195

What's your favorite memory of your time at Listnook ??

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5days Jul 30, 2015 +2889

Back in 2011, I had someone email me at listnookgifts to tell me how he had been considering suicide but then decided to join Secret Santa and wait to see what he received. Luckily, he had a wonderful experience and it kept him well enough for long enough that the feeling had passed. He thanked us for saving him. I know it's likely anything else could have done the same but, as someone who has had friends commit suicide over the years, it felt really good.

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SquareIsTopOfCool Jul 30, 2015 +1192

I think (as a person living with depression) that a lot of depressed people feel isolated - being connection to a larger community, like Secret Santa, can make all the difference.

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Rominions Jul 30, 2015 +508

100% agreed, i did this for the same reasoning last christmas. I took the gifts personally to the young teens house and what i was greated with was shocking. He lived in a house that was absolutely trashed, filled full of garbage, nappies etc where a single mother and 2 other kids lived. Mother was morbidly obese, covered in sores and had the brownest fingers i have seen from smoking. Since that day last christmas i have now been dropping off a gift to him every month. With advice on life and things to help him with an education. I'm already a nurse and love helping people but this was something personal that i'll continue to do until he is able to look after himself.

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5days Jul 30, 2015 +151

Oh wow. That's amazing and sad. I'm glad he was matched to someone as caring as you!

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Alysiat28 Jul 30, 2015 +8

That's awesome. It's easy to see something like that and think "That sucks, but there's nothing I can do." He won't forget that somebody actually cared about him, that didn't have to.

SeryaphFR Jul 30, 2015 +66

I think the importance of this is often overlooked. A lot of people can feel very isolated in the real ~~weird~~ world, whether it's because of depression or social anxiety or anything along those lines. I think one of the main reasons (aside from pictures of cats and b****) that people keep coming back is that sense of community that listnook creates that is so often lacking in people's lives in the real world. I think /r/thebutton is an excellent example of that. Just a button and a timer with no guidelines or instructions, and yet out of that, enormous communities (and even rivalries) formed out of what color your flair was. Such an awesome experiment (read time-waster). That being said, I'd like to thank you /u/5days for all of your help in making listnook as awesome as it is! EDIT: a word

5days Jul 30, 2015 +51

I loved the button! It was fascinating to watch everything created around it. I think that's one of the most important aspects of the internet, really. Connecting people who might otherwise be completely alone. I think Roger Ebert wrote about how important it was to him after becoming ill and then losing the ability to speak.

[deleted] Jul 30, 2015 +4

I couldn't agree more. I recently had to take leave from work because my depression got so severe that it was incapacitating, and I ended up finding shallow comfort in my home. What I mean by that is I didn't get better, but actually got worse because I isolated myself out of fear and anxiety. I had few friends to begin with, but ended up losing those too. One day I was so depressed I could barely move, and was putting myself down. I was cleaning up after lunch, and I found one of my grandfather's old oil markers (a pencil for graphic design). I figured "well, lets draw something. That will make me feel worse because I know how bad it will look.". Anyone with depression will recognize that negative thought pattern immediately. "I feel bad, therefore I deserve to feel worse." Anyway, I took up the pencil, and drew a tree in my backyard. I had a coworker bring some things over a few days later, and they said "wow, that's really good. did you draw that?" It was enough of a push to get me to join a listnook community for art, and I ended up finding I really loved drawing. It's enough that I want to do it some day professionally. TL;DR The support of other people is crucial to mankind, and especially so for those of us at our weakest moments. Other people can make our weakest moments become our strongest, and create experiences that make us stronger.

5days Jul 30, 2015 +558

Yeah, being a part of that was really amazing.

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Flope Jul 30, 2015 +575

Didn't listnook recently fire the creator of the Secret Santa exchange? edit: Just realized he's your husband and you created listnook gifts together. It's all falling into place now. edit 2: Thank you very much to whomever gifted the gold. :)

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spacejockey4you Jul 31, 2015 +20

I don't know why I busted out laughing at this but I did. It's like at a Christmas party when someone compliments Aunt Susan and then their kid blurts out "That's not what you said in the car!"

G19Gen3 Jul 31, 2015 +9

Whatever she says, your husband being let go on top of the dumb forced relocation is the reason for this. More of listnook's board making bad decisions to get rid of people. Actually I just realized something. This is like when college humor relocated to L.A. from New York and all of the flavor of the recurring shows that went outside or occurred in the office (Jake and Amir, Hardly Working, etc.) was completely lost.

[deleted] Jul 30, 2015 +128

Yes. Listnook hates Christmas and everything nice.

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kushxmaster Jul 30, 2015 +28

Confirmed /u/spez is the grinch here to steal Christmas.

[deleted] Jul 30, 2015 +16

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RadicalDog Jul 30, 2015 +1329

Lots of people could live forever by waiting for their gifts

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coolmtl Jul 30, 2015 +61

Yep, that's exactly why I'm still alive. I'm still waiting for my Secret Santa to send me a gift from the 2013 Listnook gifts exchange.

[deleted] Jul 30, 2015 +401

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Gaywallet Jul 30, 2015 +60

It's crazy how some things can have such far reaching and unexpected impacts.

silenc3x Jul 30, 2015 +54

I spent like $80 on someone and in return, the package for me never came, despite the sender's promises :( Good thing I wasn't depressed at the time. I'm done with secret santa.

[deleted] Jul 30, 2015 +5

How about some gift-giving thing for people who would like to send a gift to someone who would appreciate it, but doesn't want a gift in return? I'd love to send something to someone who needs gifts for their kids, or who could really use a lift by receiving something. I couldn't care less about things and I'm fortunate to be able to afford what I need (but I know what it's like to be poor and/or depressed), so receiving something would be pointless for me.

Horoism Jul 30, 2015 +19

At least you are not alone! I spent all money that I had left for the month, never got an answer if it even arrived and neither got a present :'(

[deleted] Jul 30, 2015 +450

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kickme444 Jul 30, 2015 +73

Thanks /u/RambleMan, it was the intention all along to help people feel a bit happier, even if just one time a year. If we've done that for you, that's the best thing I've ever done in my career.

5days Jul 30, 2015 +162

Thank you! listnookgifts still has very dedicated people running it. I do hope it continues to make people happier as long as it possibly can. I'm pretty amazed that it became what it did. I'm so glad we could help you find the Christmas spirit : )

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Hukka Jul 30, 2015 +16

It feels like so long ago when I nominated you and kickme444 for best listnookors of the year. Good luck out there!

Ron1212 Jul 30, 2015 +3556

Getting off listnook to spend time with family...I wish I could do that.

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5days Jul 30, 2015 +2303

It's a rare dream achieved. I'll still be here reading though :)

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CommanderpKeen Jul 30, 2015 +1008

I can see it now... Christmas morning with the family. "Hey, /u/5days, put down your laptop and watch the kids open presents!" "Gimme a minute, this cat is wearing mittens!"

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5days Jul 30, 2015 +889

This is a real life problem for many of us. Kittens in mittens are tearing families apart.

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furlonium Jul 30, 2015 +213

[It's Kitten _Mittons_!](http://imgur.com/b0eCrOz)

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LouisCaravan Jul 30, 2015 +153

*"Is your cat making too much noise all the time?"*

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crispybac0n Jul 30, 2015 +49

get Kitten Mittons! You'll be smitten

gazongagizmo Jul 30, 2015 +311

> It's a rare dream achieved. There should be an unlockable achievement "successfully made it off Listnook" in every profile that, well, made it off. Would, of course, only be for the rest of us, while you lucky b****** bask in real-life amenities.

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[deleted] Jul 30, 2015 +291

[removed]

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5days Jul 30, 2015 +195

Yeah, this would be a problem.

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[deleted] Jul 30, 2015 +100

Welcome to the hotel Listnook, you can logoff anytime you like but you can never leave

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mildiii Jul 30, 2015 +4

Welcome to the listnook hotel. Looks like heaven but could be hell. Where pleasant screams transform to yells. And every sub casts it's own spells. I know everyone likes a good Hotel California reference. But i always hear this little known song called Karma Hotel when I read "welcome to the ___"

ttchoubs Jul 30, 2015 +104

Will you be participating in this years secret Santa? Can I expect a gift from you?

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Tedrabear Jul 30, 2015 +49

Depends... Are you family?

[deleted] Jul 30, 2015 +130

[deleted] ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^0.5561 > [What is this?](https://pastebin.com/64GuVi2F/72831)

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ttchoubs Jul 30, 2015 +109

"Sorry kids; daddy's got to Listnook tonight. No Christmas again"

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Prufrock451 Jul 30, 2015 +55

"If you post a picture of yourself looking sad to /r/funny, I'll upvote it"

KarmaNeutrino Jul 30, 2015 +38

"My dad doesn't love me and cancelled Christmas to spend time on listnook - here's a picture of me looking sad" Better off in /r/pics really.

Taerer Jul 30, 2015 +114

Don't talk like that. Say it with me: Karma before kids.

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digital_end Jul 30, 2015 +47

Can confirm, have karma no kids.

ras344 Jul 30, 2015 +130

I have three kids and no karma. Why can't I have no kids and three karma?

Johndamon77 Jul 30, 2015 +48

We did it! Edit: Now just get rid of your kids.

[deleted] Jul 30, 2015 +797

I was not aware of your existence until just now, but I wish you the best in your new endeavors.

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5days Jul 30, 2015 +447

Thank you! I actually prefer being unknown. That's why no one knows me : )

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[deleted] Jul 30, 2015 +210

Your secret is totally safe with me. :-)

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trixter21992251 Jul 30, 2015 +17

Shh, don't comment. They won't know we've eavesdropped.

duckvimes_ Jul 30, 2015 +1956

Okay, but how can we best turn this into drama? (But seriously, good luck wherever you go!)

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Wild_Marker Jul 30, 2015 +177

By panning the camera over to that door on the left, from whence /u/days5, the long lost evil twin sister of /u/5days shall emerge with a terrible secret!

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5days Jul 30, 2015 +177

This is intriguing. Please do go on.

Wild_Marker Jul 30, 2015 +122

She's pregnant! But nobody knows who's the father!

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5days Jul 30, 2015 +129

The horror! Seriously, that is a horror story right there.

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Wild_Marker Jul 30, 2015 +119

But there's more! Baron Rodrigo de la Mustacha has paid off the doctors performing the paternity test, in order to claim the fatherhood and become rightful owner of the family jewels! Now the sisters must overcome their bitter rivalry to save the old Family estate, or risk haveing their grandmother thrown to the streets!

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TheInternetHivemind Jul 30, 2015 +17

This summer... Don't miss... Rain on Your Wedding Day.

KommanderKrebs Jul 30, 2015 +9

In a sublistnook where every post is part of a soap opera people try and live their life normally. Unfortunately, a new subscriber has arrived and has brought with them a terrible secret. This Fall experience life of... /r/ThePostsAndTheUpvotes

SnZ001 Jul 30, 2015 +9

DAE feel like this show is jumping the shark a bit lately? I mean, the early stuff was great, but it just feels like the writers aren't even really trying anymore.

days5 Jul 30, 2015 +202

[Ψ(｀◇´)Ψ](http://i.imgur.com/cXn31wJ.gifv)

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PE1NUT Jul 30, 2015 +48

Username was registered only 25 minutes after Wild_Marker mentioned it. Bit slow for an evil twin sister, if you ask me.

[deleted] Jul 30, 2015 +46

She's evil, no one said she was motivated.

computeraddict Jul 30, 2015 +14

Just give them a couple minutes. It takes a little time to make a novelty account, after all.

[deleted] Jul 30, 2015 +193

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e-wrecked Jul 30, 2015 +117

Yeah I think she is the one who gets emotionally charged, then makes bad decisions during this time without being held accountable.

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[deleted] Jul 30, 2015 +33

Well considering her husband was just fired from Listnook, I'd say quite easily.

damontoo Jul 30, 2015 +6

Her husband was let go from Listnook a while back otherwise they'd still be working together. There's a shred of drama.

Love_To_Burn_30721 Jul 30, 2015 +1843

So long....by the way who are you again????

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5days Jul 30, 2015 +323

Edited for clarity. I realized that the staff page was never updated and I wasn't specific here : )

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howdareyou Jul 30, 2015 +184

still not sure exactly who you are. edit: after some googling I found this: > Jessica Moreno (/u/5days) and her husband, former Listnook product boss Dan McComas, joined the company in 2011 when their gift-exchange service, ListnookGifts, was acquired by Listnook. https://recode.net/2015/07/27/two-weeks-after-content-policy-update-listnooks-head-of-community-jessica-moreno-has-left-the-company/ edit2: Wasn't the other listnook gifts person fired? And then he claimed it was because he had cancer? Is /u/kickme444 /u/5days's husband? edit3: my mistake, they are married but it's /u/dackvak who claims he was fired because he had cancer.

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adelaidejewel Jul 30, 2015 +61

5days and kickme44 are married, but he's not the one who said he was fired because of his cancer.

[deleted] Jul 31, 2015 +25

Listnook drama is so hard to keep track of

[deleted] Jul 30, 2015 +151

[deleted] Jul 30, 2015 +782

I haven't heard of /u/5days either. Anyone care to enlighten us?

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AustinPowers Jul 30, 2015 +1008

5days is one of the creators of the Listnook Secret Santa program along with kickme444. As she said in the post, she was also listnook's Head of Community.

SimplyQuid Jul 30, 2015 +80

Is it ironic that the Head of Community needs to have someone explain who they are?

[deleted] Jul 30, 2015 +253

Oh do they have someone else to run secret Santa now?

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PetalJiggy Jul 30, 2015 +1671

Actual Santa has agreed to step in in the interim.

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[deleted] Jul 30, 2015 +44

5days Jul 30, 2015 +50

I think he'll do really well. Seems a right fit for the job.

5days Jul 30, 2015 +1238

This is a fact.

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Trill-I-Am Jul 30, 2015 +408

... shouldn't it be a secret?

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5days Jul 30, 2015 +764

Dammit. Now I ruined Christmas.

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crypticfreak Jul 30, 2015 +89

Don't worry, there's always next year.

Velorium_Camper Jul 30, 2015 +22

[And next year, Santa won't miss a single soul.](http://i.imgur.com/EgcZJgx.gif)

The_Saucy_Pauper Jul 30, 2015 +22

This is a desperate time, friend. Compromises had to be made.

calantorntain Jul 30, 2015 +195

Aren't you kickme's wife?

samplebitch Jul 30, 2015 +65

Listnook's Head of Community that the community's never heard of, apparently.

cupcake1713 Jul 30, 2015 +87

She took over as Head of Community for me when I left.

[deleted] Jul 30, 2015 +40

Thanks. Did you leave recently? That seems like high turnover.

cupcake1713 Jul 30, 2015 +111

I left back in January... didn't want to move back to SF when they required most employees to relocate.

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cookrw1989 Jul 30, 2015 +45

And from what /u/5days said in her post, it sounds like this policy chased away another good employee :(

emmian Jul 30, 2015 +71

Good luck! Will you still be involved as a moderator for /r/secretsanta and /r/elves or were those tied to your position as Head of Community?

5days Jul 30, 2015 +116

I hope to stay as a moderator but I'm not sure how that will go. Kickme444 is no longer a moderator so that may end up being the case for me as well.

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thatshowitis Jul 30, 2015 +84

Any plans on setting up an independent exchange that Listnook Co. can't ruin?

[deleted] Jul 30, 2015 +13

I'd be there in a second. Maybe they could also do amas. Do we know anyone available to manage that?

Roast_A_Botch Jul 30, 2015 +11

Well, her and kickme started those subs and were hired due to that. Kickme was kicked off the mod team when he was fired, so I imagine she will be too.

NinjaBlob Jul 30, 2015 +138

But more importantly, which member of the Von Trapp family are you?

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5days Jul 30, 2015 +152

I'll go ahead and be Maria. Running around on a hillside looks like fun.

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ThatAstronautGuy Jul 30, 2015 +93

How do you run secret Santa like Maria?

Semenslayer Jul 30, 2015 +52

*hooooooow do you hold an upvote in your haaaaaaand*

5days Jul 30, 2015 +72

[Just like this](https://laughingsquid.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/2013-11-15_1209.png)

pattyjr Jul 30, 2015 +29

The Santa Maria sank...

gtalley10 Jul 30, 2015 +24

She gives out a few of her favorite things.

5days Jul 30, 2015 +96

Lots of twirling and singing.

weffey Jul 30, 2015 +86

Can confirm, have shared an office / sat across from 5days for over two years now. She often has adorable sundresses and twirls around while singing. I'll miss having her around to share an ottoman with.

5days Jul 30, 2015 +80

I'm wearing a dress and twirling RIGHT NOW.

xSpektre Jul 30, 2015 +34

So talented! I could never spin and type, let alone wear a dress :(

adventurousideas Jul 30, 2015 +161

I would like to thank you for being honest, and concise with your reasons for leaving. Previous resignations have left the community with a bad taste in their mouths, and the snide remarks whispered back through the door as it closed were very unwelcome. I wish you well on your journeys and ventures, and I hope you remember listnook as what it was, or what it can be after a lot of work, but never what it is right now.

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ObiWanBonogi Jul 30, 2015 +34

> for being honest She may very well be being honest here, but "to spend more time with my family" is the most generic, canned response to a separation possible and one that almost everyone says if the real reasons are being kept quiet.

SomeIrishGuy Jul 30, 2015 +14

I also want to thank my parents, who were completely straight with me as a kid when they broke the news that Mr. Whiskers had gone to live on a farm a few towns over.

ImRonSwansonBurgundy Jul 30, 2015 +69

Thank you for teaching me, just now, what the hell those kids in The Sound Of Music were saying all these years.

This is my finest achievement : )

daprice82 Jul 30, 2015 +71

But you're supposed to say you were run out of the company because you're a woman! What is Gawker going to have to write about now???

5days Jul 30, 2015 +119

They still managed the story without my help : )

MrClubine Jul 30, 2015 +88

ELI5days

PS4play Jul 30, 2015 +29

What did /u/spez do to you? You can tell us!

5days Jul 30, 2015 +45

He's been great. I've really enjoyed the short time I've been working with him. See? Still no drama!

CedarWolf Jul 30, 2015 +33

> Still no drama! \*rummages in a box and piles things here, there, and all around\* Here, you'll need this mask, and this cloak, and these props, and this orchestra pit... and this chandelier...

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thegermophobe Jul 30, 2015 +30

Thank you for all you've done and good luck in the future!

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5days Jul 30, 2015 +31

Yeah, I just want the actual day of christmas off instead of receiving 1000 emails : ) It will be neat.

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hansjens47 Jul 30, 2015 +39

It's great to hear that one excellent community manager is replaced by someone who knows listnook intimately, and can be an important voice reminding upper management of what things are like on the ground and what listnook's user culture is like. With the large staff turnover listnook has seen recently, it's important that continuity of listnook is retained. Moving experienced voices up the ladder so they're listened to more is a good sign for the future.

snorlz Jul 30, 2015 +39

> excellent community manage are you just saying this to be nice or is there any reason to believe she was actually excellent? Many of the biggest issues on listnook could be attributed in large part to the disconnect between listnook HQ and the community so I would venture to say the community manager for the past few months did NOT do a good job of representing the community to the company. I dont know anything about 5days or if she was the manager when the shit hit the fan, but i find it hard to believe someone was a great community manager if they couldnt represent the community at all. perhaps i could see it if her only job was to grow the community because that was definitely successful, but I would imagine part of the community managers job is also to tell company management what the community wants

hansjens47 Jul 30, 2015 +24

As a moderator, I've had interactions with her *many* times. Co-mods make that volume of interactions much higher. We have good experiences with her regularly, and most mods of larger sublistnooks will give you similar opinions of the different admins because they have the same experiences as they interact with the admins. Now people who *don't* interact with the admins because they don't report things to them or otherwise have reasons to talk to them, they're the ones who see **one** negative post about an admin and join the bandwagon, without any experience of what they actually do. Community managers on listnook deal with people who message them directly, and with managing the community concerns passed to them by the thousands of moderators that for most intents and purposes actually run listnook's communities. Community management is difficult. My personal feeling is that listnook's become more "top-heavy" over the years and that those with their feet on the ground actually talking and working with reddtiors all day every day haven't been listened to enough.

Blubberdieblub Jul 30, 2015 +9

Thanks for sharing your (not so boring) reasons, this let's me regain a little bit of confidence in Listnook instead of jumping to conclusions like sinking ship. I hope you'll still participate in a few Secret Santa exchanges. Have a well deserved, relaxing time with your family.

lordlionhunter Jul 30, 2015 +5

I actually have money this year! I'm totally going to do the gift exchange.

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RyguyOnline Jul 30, 2015 +5

I wish you the best of luck with everything in the future, we appreciate everything you've done!

Social_Media_Intern Jul 30, 2015 +554

/u/5days is married to recently let go Listnook employee /u/kickme444. When she says she's leaving to "spend time with my family," it sounds like a tongue-in-cheek 'you fired my husband so I certainly won't be seeing him at work. Also this is awkward. Bye!" All of you thanking her for revealing her reasons to quell your speculations just need to stop speculating in the first place.

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haltingpoint Jul 31, 2015 +15

That's incredibly shitty. Guessing she got a nice enough severance to keep quiet and not ruffle feathers.

DrUsual Jul 30, 2015 +101

It's really a shame that in technology-driven industries the best way to achieving work-life balance these days seems to be "leave the job." The CFO of Google retired a few months back for the same reason -- he put it very bluntly; work-life balance simply cannot be reached while working in our multinational technology environments. It's a very sad characteristic for the world of information and technology to have. But definitely a big positive that you're choosing the "life" side of the equation, and as big as your contribution to Listnook has been, it'll probably be dwarfed by the impact to your family when you're able to enjoy your time more with them. Best of luck, and Merry (early) Christmas!

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Drunken_Economist Jul 30, 2015 +25

It really is hard to achieve the work/life balance. A huge part of it is because the people who go after and get the jobs in this industry are those who are inherently bad at finding that balance — I'm no exception. The companies, to their credit, do their best to help employees balance work and personal lives (everything short of forced vacations) . . . but it comes down to personality.

wwoodrum Jul 30, 2015 +281

Enjoy time with your family and I wish you luck in your future. As for [/u/krispykrackers](https://www.listnook.com/u/krispykrackers), isn't this a terrible news? She has terrible history of engaging in passive-aggressiveness toward listnook users and I believe is a ban happy admin.

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100_percent_diesel Jul 30, 2015 +48

Absolutely. I'm not sure why we are supposed to be happy. also accd to another comment OP's husband was just fired from Listnook. I mean, come on. As my mom always said, I may have been born yesterday but I spent all day in town!

[deleted] Jul 30, 2015 +84

She has a reputation for this, you are correct about that.

Dreamwaltzer Jul 31, 2015 +19

I have never heard anyone say anything good about krispykracker, except from other admins or listnook employees. Which I have to take with degree of disbelief due to people being in PR mode.

edgarwilliamfrye Jul 30, 2015 +76

> The theory that I am leaving because of recent changes in policy is also false as I happily participated in creating those changes and stand by the decision to enforce them. Titles post with the song the family in the Sound of Music sang to cheerily escape from the Nazis because they didn't want to be drafted into the party. [Riiiiiiiight](http://media.giphy.com/media/jeXiz1RAvzX44/giphy-facebook_s.jpg)

alex10175 Jul 30, 2015 +22

It's a genius, and much more subtle, way of saying: "f*** this I'm out!"

raldi Jul 30, 2015 -31

Ms. Krackers is the perfect choice to step up. Thanks for all your work at listnook, 5!

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[deleted] Jul 30, 2015 +160

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joyofsteak Jul 31, 2015 +29

Most of it's true. She's dismissive of the community, and is infamous for the incident a while back where she shadowbanned a /r/blackladies mod after white supremacists brigaded the sub.

[deleted] Jul 30, 2015 +1351

I didn't realize /u/krispykrackers, notorious for being dismissive of the community, could be called "perfect" for the Head of Community position. Edit: Hmmm... I was just being cheeky, but thanks for the gold. Now I'm on a list somewhere.

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howmanyprofilesbro Jul 30, 2015 +87

One time at my job, management created a "Morale Team" and they put the bitchiest, most sour, terrible woman as the team leader. When she was announced at the next staff meeting there were a couple burst of laughter, along with chortles, snorts, and whispers. That morale team probably met twice, and that was the end of that.

ElMangosto Jul 30, 2015 +16

We had new management buy our company. They also created a morale team. One of the first things they did was have a hot dog day, cooking on multiple foreman grills in the break room, which made the whole floor smell like a fast food restaurant clear through until the following week. Then they sold the foosball table. Morale in our smelly, boring workplace was never so high.

Roast_A_Botch Jul 30, 2015 +227

She's also the "dedicated" mod liaison so already spread thin. This shit's getting ridiculous. Of course, she will be perfect as dismissive is exactly what they're looking for.

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bulbsy117 Jul 30, 2015 +65

That's what first popped into my head! Is Krispy gonna take over every position that opens up?

CockGobblin Jul 30, 2015 +62

Who else is going to be the scapegoat in 2 years when the next listnook blackout occurs?

[deleted] Jul 30, 2015 +698

Ugh I had to scroll this far down for drama in an /r/announcements post? It's like you people aren't even trying anymore.

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digital_end Jul 30, 2015 +469

Post deleted. RIP what Listnook was, and damn what it became.

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[deleted] Jul 30, 2015 +125

Mmm yes. That's nice thanks, but I think we can go further. What do you think about: SJWs, corporations, veganism, libertarians, circumcision, well done steak, cultural appropriation, fat people and/or women posting pictures of themselves doing things and uploading them to Listnook? Let's do this, babies. All the popcorn all at once. Yes. Mmmm...

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TheIrishClone Jul 31, 2015 +3

""You people?"" What do YOU mean "you people" you need some education my friend, it's this kind of subtle racist shit that causes other-kin like me to trigger. You need to check your privilege. I'm just here trying to see the announcement and you come in with this shit that's traumatic and hurtful to a person like me who sees himself as a strong independent Jack Russell Terrier who don't need no man and who doesn't conform to traditional gender roles. What man is to woman. I am to a lime green 69 fastback mustang. That is my sexuality in the simplest terms I can manage and if you're not going to take the time to comprehend that, then you're just a nazi-tampon shitlord. Drown in a fire.

Jojobelle Jul 30, 2015 -40

Great another women quits a decent job to have kids. What a great example you are to young women

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5days Jul 30, 2015 +26

I don't think any of us left to have kids. Mine are already old enough to survive without me. Taking a break doesn't mean never doing anything ever again. That's silly.

runonandonandonanon Jul 31, 2015 +15

I don't give a shit about listnook politics. Don't care about Ellen Pao, don't care about Victoriagate, don't care about the new-old CEO. I've never heard of 5days and certainly haven't heard any rumors about her. But there's someone with admin flair, on my front page, explaining that I should ignore some scandal I haven't heard about because she is only "resigning" to "be with her family." Is this post specifically designed to make me interested in what nefarious things are going on behind the scenes? Because I didn't think that was possible, but you've got me a little curious.

[deleted] Jul 30, 2015 +246

/u/5days is passive-aggressively telling us we should get off listnook and spend time with our families. Nice try, mom.

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Ob101010 Jul 31, 2015 +6

> Since a few women have left listnook recently, certain reports have implied that my gender was the cause. Well NOW all I can think of is this is the cause. Second, http://imgur.com/gallery/OffEJTR What makes me ask is : > so very little will change after my departure Which NOW, since you already identified gender as a 'parameter' in this, > if I had anyone in mind, there was only one person I thought of, /u/krispykrackers. **Her** amazing knowledge... I wonder if listnook just has 'binders full of women to employ'. Is listnook selecting employees based on gender? I think at this point its a fair question, but knowing listnook, Ill get the pitchforks for asking.

[deleted] Jul 30, 2015 +87

Okay, I'm going to be "that guy". "Left to spend more time with family" is pretty much Washington D.C. speak for "left to prevent a scandal". Now I fully believe that /u/5days is being honest, but it might have been better to have lied a little, because this is the classic excuse. Kind of like if you have a habit of walking into doors and falling down stairs, you might want to start claiming it was consensual kink, so people aren't as suspicious.

HImainland Jul 30, 2015 +46

I've seen people saying she's kickme444's wife? If so...totally understand why she's leaving.

[deleted] Jul 30, 2015 +14

Left to spend time with her husband who they fired while he was doing an excellent job (picking up a pattern)

zonker77 Jul 30, 2015 +15

This isn't just DC, this is the standard phrase in the tech industry when an executive resigns either under duress, or to go work for a competitor. This is a straight up euphemism for "I can't or don't want to talk about it"

SubtleZebra Jul 31, 2015 +7

In addition to being a euphemism, I'd guess it's also the phrase people use when they are leaving a job to spend more time with their family. And I have to believe the latter is more common than the former...

Social_Media_Intern Jul 30, 2015 +32

dustinyo_ Jul 30, 2015 +1300

Congratulations on being unbanned from /r/NoAdmins!

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[deleted] Jul 30, 2015 +345

Only if she asks for forgiveness, per sub rules.

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dustinyo_ Jul 30, 2015 +149

Well, /u/5days... we're waiting!

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rcrockchd Jul 30, 2015 +73

Shame! Shame! Shame! Shame!

[deleted] Jul 30, 2015 +56

The number of Admins that left listnook in the past year!! I feel like I am watching a Suspense Horror movie where character after character disappears mysteriously and nobody knows who is behind all that.

During a movie you eat popcorn. Popcorn tastes goods. These seem like clues.

chibistarship Jul 30, 2015 +11

Lots of people are jumping ship. I bet the firings didn't inspire any confidence in Listnook for the admins.

papershoes Jul 30, 2015 +9

They're about due for a shake up though. It happens in a lot of companies, this one just happens to have a very, very public profile.

ruinercollector Jul 30, 2015 +147

> When /u/spez asked if I had anyone in mind, there was only one person I thought of, /u/krispykrackers ...f***.

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btcfuturemoney Jul 30, 2015 +1110

blink twice if they are making you say this.

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BluntsnBoards Jul 30, 2015 +59

Snuffles* Hence forth called Snowball because her hair is pretty and white

edgeorge92 Jul 30, 2015 +104

I think she's saying "I love lasagna"

probrian Jul 30, 2015 +50

She definitely said "I love Obama".

johnlocke95 Jul 30, 2015 +35

Well "resign so that I can head home to spend time with my family" is the number 1 excuse given by fired employees.

kaihatsusha Jul 30, 2015 +5

The title she used is the perfect image. In *Sound of Music*, all the cute performers bravely sang this line, one by one disappearing into the darkness as the fascists were closing in.

Unikraken Jul 30, 2015 +190

So they fire /u/kickme444 and now /u/5days steps down...

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[deleted] Jul 30, 2015 +67

When they start to monetize the site it is best to have a whole bunch of new people so they don't feel sympathy for the users' cries.

[deleted] Jul 30, 2015 +78

Hence why /u/krispykrackers is the new head of both mod and community relations.

alienangel2 Jul 30, 2015 +18

Isn't that a conflict of interest? I know theoretically mods and users should want the same things, but they don't. They should have different advocates on the admin side.

[deleted] Jul 30, 2015 +22

It's not like it matters neither will get anything from her except sarcastic and/or condescending comments and PR spin.

baggachipz Jul 30, 2015 +66

Ah yes, the ol' "time with family" reason. In corporate speak, that means "you're fired but you get to make it look like it is your decision." Usually that involves finding a "dream job" within a few weeks, or "spending time with your family". Sorry they're doing this to you, /u/5days.

Kaghuros Jul 30, 2015 +23

The title is even a section from the song in The Sound of Music where they're escaping the Nazis.

orangejulius Jul 30, 2015 +32

so is krispy still the mod liaison or will that task go to someone else as she moves up? Best of luck with future endeavors /u/5days. :)

So long, farewell, auf Wiedersehen, good night!

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