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HighlanderM43 5 days ago +231

If I recall correctly they announced sending 10,000 troops in Ukraine. So 2300 dead and x3 wounded is the typical stat, so….that means basically none of them left without at least getting hit. What a shit show. Modern war. Die like a dog for nothing.

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rd1970 5 days ago +85

>by February this year, the NIS updated the figure, saying that about 6,000 of the estimated 11,000 military personnel deployed to Russia had been killed or wounded Sounds like a bit over half, which is still pretty bad. There are reports that Kim himself told them to commit suicide before being captured, which might explain the lower ratio.

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KuriTokyo 5 days ago +16

The North Korean mentality comes from the Japanese pre WW2 mentality when they occupied the peninsula.

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rd1970 5 days ago +9

I kinda wonder if part of sending these guys to Russia is to demonstrate to the rest of the world what to expect if North Korea is ever invaded. Basically: "Shock and awe won't work. Winning hearts and minds won't work. Bribes won't work. Expect WWII fanaticism and brutality every step of the way."

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ChornobylChili 3 days ago +1

We have known this since the Korean War

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chippymediaYT 5 days ago +5

From what I understand they were found with notes on both how to combat drones and how to effectively commit suicide, and the notes about combating drones included one soldier acting as bait

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ChornobylChili 3 days ago +1

Looks good to me.

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auddii04 5 days ago +12

From the descriptions I've heard, the Russians are treating them as disposable, plus there's a huge language barrier. I'm sure it's fine.

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OtherAardvark 5 days ago +5

I mean, these are people who have suffered lifelong malnutrition and psychological torture. They're going to be inherently frail.

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RustOnTheEdge 4 days ago +2

North Korea is quite fascinating to read about, for as little information is available to us in the west. The military is relatively well off, so lifelong malnutrition is definitely not at play here.

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MentalDisintegrat1on 4 days ago +1

Sadly this is win win for Kimmy J. He gets to get rid of mouths to feed he gets brownie points with Russia as well as he's getting money for them and making bombs and ammo from Russia. He also gets combat experience for the ones that make it that can come back and train the military that in NK. I'm sure Russia is helping them with things like making better nukes and what not.

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ezagreb 5 days ago +436

… that’s a sacrifice fatty Kim is willing to make

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Ak_Lonewolf 5 days ago +126

Hey thats not nice. Its pretty f****** lonely being the only fat guy in the country.

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Economy-Device-9223 5 days ago +19

Yeah that's why he's armed himself with other Fat Men

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maverickhawk99 5 days ago +5

Fat men with a bunch of medals they didn’t earn

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Ryuchel 3 days ago +1

He picked his daughter tho to be his heir.

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hueythecat 5 days ago +27

I wonder how many families he had executed for the captured soldiers that didn’t kill themselves.

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OfficeImpossible2810 5 days ago +25

2300 less mouths to feed, I think Kim is happy

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TheTwinSet02 5 days ago +3

Like he cared if they’d starved

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Sarcastic_Crab0420 5 days ago +1

I thought lil Kim died

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macross1984 5 days ago +131

Kim does not care less how many "volunteer" died in Ukraine. He only care payment made by Putin to his coffer. The poor soldiers had no say but to do what their master decree.

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RandomPantsAppear 5 days ago +41

It is to his benefit. The military is an employment program - a way to not have a bunch of pissed off young men starving in the streets. But in North Korea they also get larger rations and are prioritized for rations in shortages. So less young men is a bargain for NK.

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Electronic_Cress_278 5 days ago +4

He dose not care less means he could .

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mike194827 5 days ago +26

I'm sure Lil Kim will personally visit with each family and explain how their loved ones ultimate sacrifice was somehow benefiting North Korea.

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diligentPond18 5 days ago +11

This isn't a laughing matter, but I just wasn't expecting to read "Lil Kim." God.

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Falloutfan4070 5 days ago +143

I feel so bad for north koreans

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TheWhiteManticore 5 days ago +42

Hell on Earth

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cement_brick214 5 days ago +80

Getting screwed by the Japanese, then bombed to the stone age by the Americans, and now stuck in a "socialist republic" (monarchy) within the span of a century...

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Unhappy-Till-3306 5 days ago +52

They’re actually a democracy… it’s in the name

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cement_brick214 5 days ago +45

*hits forehead* ah! of course!

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Fickle_Ad_8653 5 days ago +14

Countries rarely call themselves what they are. China isn't communist.

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hyper_espace 5 days ago +7

> Countries rarely call themselves what they are. China isn't communist Communism is an utopia, no nation will ever be communist. Any attempt at nationwide communism will always devolve into dictatorship, because one has to force people into that type of society at first place, even people who disagree.

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ShermanMcTank 5 days ago +2

Communism is truly the « potential man » of politics.

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Telen 5 days ago +4

Yep, it is inevitable in large part because of communism's relationship with violent revolution. A violent revolution will always be headed by jingoistic, extremist political ideologies that have no intention of relinquishing or sharing power as you would in an actual democracy. While there are always parties that want reform rather than revolution - let's say there is a scale of reform to revolution even in communist ideology - and they are always more numerous, the more peaceful and moderate parties are always violently suppressed by the armed extremists in the vacuum that follows a revolution.

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cister532 5 days ago -1

I mean, socialism hasn't always tried to come to power in violent revolutions, look at Allende, but all those experiments were always shut off by the CIA. Also, there are numerous examples of violent revolutions not devolving into dictatorships (for example, the american revolution). The only socialist states that managed to survive have been the ones that used extreme measures. This is not a defense of violence, but we can't ignore the historical circumstances that made it.

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Telen 5 days ago

It's important to not talk in abstractions here. "Socialism" has never tried to come into power. Groups of people with various kinds and degrees of ideologies have tried it. Some of them are more reformist and moderate in nature, others are more radical. It's absolutely true that the CIA had a hand in destabilizing otherwise stable governments, of course. I would not say that the only surviving socialist states only did so because of extreme measures or that the CIA was solely attacking socialist states, however. I think that these are more divergent paths than that.

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cister532 5 days ago -1

But we can't say that all socialist governments have been violent dictatorships, when all the others have been systematically destroyed from outside. Most of the "justification" these states had for their violent repression was a response against foreign interference. I'm sure that these tools were mostly used as a means to ensure power in their leadership, as even their allies were sometimes purged when they threatened to take over, but this state violence was born as a response to outside threats. This isn't a trait inherent to socialist states, of course, that's why I think it's in bad faith when all of socialism is thrown in the same "brutal dictatorship" bag. Vietnam's market socialism isn't the same as the Kim's jucheism. There are many branches of socialism, and not all of them are of the authoritarian jingoist kind.

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Telen 5 days ago +1

Socialism is a broader umbrella term compared to communism, which is what I originally talked about, anyway. It's getting very vague when you widen the scope into socialism. Communism I use in the mainstream sense - to refer to the likes of the USSR. As for socialism, even many modern mainstream politicians can reasonably refer to themselves as socialists and justify it.

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cister532 5 days ago +2

China doesn't call itself communist tho, the party calls itself communist as their theoretical goal is to achieve communism, but they don't say their state is communist. We can argue weather or not they are actually striving towards that goal, weather or not Deng's market reforms worked towards socialism or not, but China doesn't call itself communist at all.

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SomeRandomGuydotdot 5 days ago -2

No one cares what color the cow is.

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ShermanMcTank 5 days ago

Hey you can actually vote, it just always goes to the same party

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TheQuadropheniac 4 days ago

thank god in America my vote matters and I get to choose between party that only cares about rich people and party that only cares about rich people (but, like, in a gay way).

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ShermanMcTank 4 days ago +1

Yep, Kamala was 100% just as bad as Trump, and thank god for that because otherwise you’d have to face the reality of all the damage you’ve done by letting Trump getting elected.

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TheQuadropheniac 4 days ago

I never said Kamala was "just as bad", I said both parties only care about rich people. Which has been studied and found to be true: https://www.princeton.edu/~mgilens/idr.pdf Keep knocking down that strawman though lmao

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ShermanMcTank 4 days ago +1

So you agree that your vote matters then

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Background_Bee_713 4 days ago +3

Us bombing them prevented all of Korea from living in the same hell as the north so Idt that’s an American bad moment

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cement_brick214 4 days ago -1

Weird take, a lot of people caught up in the bombs weren't combatants, it should be normal to feel bad for them especially since they had just gone through WW2 as well

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Background_Bee_713 4 days ago +3

What’s weird, South Korea is far better off. Ask them if they are happy with American involvement. North Koreans probably wish we were able to defeat the communists entirely.

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ToInfinity_MinusOne 4 days ago +3

I’ve been to South Korea and all the old guys dressed in war veteran hats would stop me in the street to ask if I was American and would thank me and tell me how they loved our country for helping during the war. And there’s all sorts of war monuments honoring the western countries that came to their aide during the Korean War.

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ToInfinity_MinusOne 4 days ago +1

I think the political state of their country is a bit worse than “monarchy”

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Terrible-Group-9602 5 days ago +6

Tragic

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United-Yam2423 5 days ago +66

Then you see the videos where they're bodies are found with pictures of their families, diaries explaining how they truly believe they're fighting for honor. It's so sad

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Neversoft4long 5 days ago +24

Dying in a war for another country you probably didn’t even know about because said country is tryna take over another country is dystopian af lmao

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ClubsBabySeal 5 days ago +24

North Koreans know geography. They're totalitarian not cave men.

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Neversoft4long 5 days ago +11

I assume they just kept in the dark about most things that don’t invoke their country

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CMCH_oyom 5 days ago

They seemingly have more knowledge of the world than you have of them. It's wild that your comment about them not even knowing about Russia gets upvoted, people's ignorance of history is staggering

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Quasar375 5 days ago +7

Idk man, the average NK soldier genuinely believes Kim is god on earth and his will is 100% what has to be done

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Haliucinogenas1 5 days ago +11

I would like to know how many Ukrainians died fighting north korea.... I still to this day can't wrap my mind that north koreans are killing people in Europe

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blzart 5 days ago +6

Died for nothing.

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Goswint 5 days ago +37

Don’t f*** with Ukraine!

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tastesliketurtles 5 days ago +11

The Russians do shit like this and constantly strike civilian targets but everytime Zelensky sneezes the Kremlin starts talking about ‘hUgE EScAlaTiOn’

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Loki-L 5 days ago +3

I must say that North Korea is surprisingly transparent about this. They built a monument with the names of all their fallen on it and everything. So it does suggest that they might see their part in this war as being mostly over as the room left on the wall and the room left for graves of those who died with extraordinary valor isn't too big.

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Exact_Patience_9767 5 days ago +12

I hope the trade was worth it, Fatty Kim. You and your neighbor to the south have pretty big birth decline gaps already. The difference with the South is they're not sacrificing young men for another dictator's ego.

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Infinite_throwaway_1 5 days ago +15

According to google, North Korea's birthdate is 1.8, compared to South Korea's 0.75. Granted the mortality rate in the north is likely much higher.

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benhereford 5 days ago +10

No small number. Wow. Those poor fuckers

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PansarPucko 5 days ago +6

Heigh-ho, authoritarian regime go. Drop in the ocean compared to the Ukranians and Russians who've died these past four years though. And unless I'm missing something these North Korean troops didn't come with complimentary tanks, artillery or IFVs.

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faffc260 5 days ago +1

they blew up a rocket launcher copied off one made in the 1940's a couple times when they first arrived iirc, so not completely without artillery, just no useful ones.

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Jasonguyen81 5 days ago +3

Thats 2,300 mouths less to feed for him

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deptii 5 days ago +3

The rest got addicted to internet p***.

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Goswint 5 days ago +9

Don’t F with Ukraine!

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lastSKPirate 5 days ago +2

I think we can still feel bad for the conscripts on the Russian side. None of them had a choice about being there, and they can't lay down arms or desert without being shot by their own officers.

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HarEr89 5 days ago +5

Fat Kim!

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angry-democrat 5 days ago +2

Oof

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royrogerer 5 days ago +2

It's actually surprisingly lower than I thought. Considering they sent like around 10000, and considering they were probably mostly put on combat roles and no rear positions, AND they were instructed to kill themselves rather than be captured, in a famously meat gender battle, I thought it would be higher. Still a mind numbing amount, all for some reasons beyond my comprehension.

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AllDarkWater 5 days ago +2

Getting rid of young men is a tactic for staying in control. Putin used it, why not Kim?

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FuFmeFitall 5 days ago +3

Good news everyone!

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cement_brick214 5 days ago +18

Likely conscripted people fighting in a war they have no stake in thousands of miles away, getting used as a meat shield by a russian commanding officer and getting their lower half blown off by a drone and painfully bleeding out for 2 inches of Ukrainian soil sounds bleak as f*** tbh

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angry-gramps 5 days ago +5

Were they used? Definitely. But they also came to another country as occupiers. And they got an occupier treatment. So, despite all the "but that's so saaaaad...", it actually *is* good news.

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faffc260 5 days ago +2

many of them seem to truely believe they are fighting for honor and other bullshit propaganda based on diaries found on some of the dead men. very sad.

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Salty-Passenger-4801 5 days ago +1

Do we know how many were sent to Russia

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salakane 5 days ago +1

I seem to recall 10k being tossed around.

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Ihavenoideatall 5 days ago +1

It is just a price that NK is willing to pay. And to NK, they are just numbers.

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Personal_Director441 5 days ago +1

means plenty of them massive hats they use to make themselves look taller going spare.

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Lancifer1979 5 days ago +1

How many took the opportunity to surrender and defect?

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remer_1z101 4 days ago +1

Would be interesting to know what there roles were, specially seeing no captured pows

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ChornobylChili 3 days ago +1

Good. Now Remember

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brainrotxx 2 days ago +1

they didnt have to die. it wasn't their war. but kim just felt like helping out bc he's such a nice guy.

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Skysis 5 days ago +1

Time to cut losses, Jong Un.

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Maxspeed-Pro 5 days ago

A true machiavellian.

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brandondh 5 days ago -1

Glad it was just some and not all 2,300.

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IHv2RtrnSumVdeotapes 5 days ago

Cool!

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Kingfisher83 5 days ago -10

Curious about all loser US/Europe Soldier of Fortune types that canceled their life subscription too

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TheDayWalkerCGI 5 days ago -11

0 POW's though.

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windless12 5 days ago +7

I know of two north Koreans captured by Ukraine

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TheDayWalkerCGI 5 days ago +1

My point was that Kim told them to commit suicide instead of being captured.

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