Robots, though not from Hyundai, have been working well for Ukraine lately. A Russian meat wave offensive was not only pushed back this spring but Ukraine made a net gain in territory under its control.
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CumpyGrunt2 days ago
+7
Already using ai to lock on to targets as well, both in flight and ground based systems.
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CumpyGrunt2 days ago
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Well, not really, that was not ai, just a targeting system that used an photosensitive sensor that tracked IR light from a heat source. They required the pilot to aim at the heat source so that the missile could lock on to the target. There was no microprocessor as it used discrete electronics, literally no computing power whatsoever.
I'm fairly certain this is the first "acknowledged" use of ai in target discrimination and tracking, but ofc other countries may have used it in drones, likely a certain country in the middle east.
Several US missile systems now us ai as well.
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Somewhere-A-Judge2 days ago
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Lol dude thinks calculators and chatGPT are the same thing
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Somewhere-A-Judge1 day ago
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That's kind of stretching the definition of "intelligence" isn't it? Is a light switch intelligent? How about a mechanical scale? Or, once again, a calculator? All of those "process" "information" (depending on how we define those terms) and produce a result based on that information.
It's not entirely trolling, but I do find it tiresome when people want to insist on precise technical definitions of terms that don't match up with the layperson's understanding, and do so in a way that obfuscates the point of the actual discission. Your comment about AI seems to be intended to blur the distinction between a simple mechanical or hard-coded system with predictable outcomes and a trained model like an LLM.
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jews4beer2 days ago
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I'm not too worried about a skynet situation. We are lightyears away from AGI.
But if the robot is autonomous in the slightest I'd be really worried about situations like it discerning between civilians and recognizing when someone is surrendering.
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Jerri_man2 days ago
+38
I'm more worried about it leading to war on the basis that its a less costly (from a human perspective) endeavor. There are all kinds of issues arising from these changes
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santaclausonvacation2 days ago
+5
My hope is that drones and autonomous weapons so favor the defender as to make war dangerous. Its easy to defend w drones and robots but its not easy to offense with them yet. Maybe that is just the next evolution of the technology.
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Jerri_man2 days ago
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Offense is just a matter of time. You'll probably still need infantry to hold ground but swarms and autonomous aircraft with loitering capabilities are already terrifying. Imo it will simply further exaggerate war as a matter of production capacity and logistical capability.
Its easy to initial a war on your neighbours if you know you have industrial capacity and they're wealthy service-based economies.
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AdAppropriate67952 days ago
+8
You have 10 seconds to comply!
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laurenth2 days ago
+3
D***, I'm very disappointed.
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lmaccaro2 days ago
+2
I’m not worried about Ai I’m worried about poorly thought out prompts executed on a large scale.
For AI the trope of “see a big spider = burn the house down” is entirely reasonable because spiders could be in the walls or whatever.
One of the first AI war games was AI bombers that got points for hitting enemy positions. AI reasoned that their own command and control was limiting their score by denying attacks on civilian targets so it bombed its own command and control base.
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__NadirZenith__2 days ago
+1
What about someone hacking a robot or getting hold of one and deploy it ia a civilian/city environment.
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OceanRacoon2 days ago
+1
Yeah, Benn Jordan just posted a video yesterday about how easy it is to hack into and control Unitree robot dogs, and that they have a secret backdoor sending information to China. These types of robots will probably never be completely safe from hacking
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jews4beer2 days ago
That's a scary possibility too. But still not skynet...I don't even know how to respond to the people that keep making the leap from this to Terminators.
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TitleEfficient32072 days ago
+1
Skynet was only partially intellegent. It was losing the war with humans
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grathontolarsdatarod2 days ago
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The internet is under YUGE pressure to centralize.
Internet IDs make skynet scenarios more real than they were even last year.
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redeyeflights2 days ago
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You know a light year is still a year, right?
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jews4beer2 days ago
+2
You know what a figure of speech is, right?
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redeyeflights2 days ago
+1
Hey, just joking with you. I know what you meant.
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Keksmonster1 day ago
+1
A light year isn't a measure of time at all.
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catscanmeow2 days ago
-2
skynet can happen before agi
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ccblr062 days ago
+8
Meh, for the South Koreans its almost damned if you do damned if you dont. If North Korea starts a war with them it will look alot like what is going on in the middle east right now. IMO robots and ai are unavoidable sadly.
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self-fix22 days ago
+8
What middle east? Iran? SK currently has a stronger and more technologically advanced military than Israel. SK can probably steamroll through NK without US help in a scenario where nukes are eliminated through pre-emptive strikes, and the gap is about to become wider once SK deploys humanoids to the battlefront.
Unless SK takes a particularly offensive stance against China, China won't field their humanoids directly against the SK border because the two are huge business partners in the area. There's a reason why NK doesn't get Chinese fighter jets.
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ccblr062 days ago
+10
Look at Iran. The US is leaps and bounds ahead of them militarily, however they have trouble getting rid of all of the CDCMs and drones. Even though SK is more advanced all of their population centers are within artillery range of of NK and if i remember correctly NK is very mountainous meaning that even if SK were to steamroll through NK alot of SK will be levelled. It wont be pretty.
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danisindeedfat2 days ago
Um, Seoul is within artillery range of North Korea. It’s not steamrolling anything.
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External-Plastic-1542 days ago
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There it is again—that ridiculous myth about North Korean artillery being all-powerful, lol. South Korea actually has more.
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self-fix22 days ago
+3
If it's a death match where SK is determined to invade, yes they can. NK would lose air superiority within a day, and their heavy machinery are no match against Korean MBTs and artillery.
The only reason SK can't take an Israel style stance is cause there's much more to lose and cause NK has nukes.
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danisindeedfat2 days ago
+1
NK doesn’t need nukes to level Seoul. It has lots and lots of artillery.
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Educational-Store1312 days ago
+5
They can be eliminated from the air or counter artilleried. South Korea have better artillery systems and much more advanced aircrafts.
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Ok_Kitchen_88112 days ago
+3
Man this line could have been a pitch they gave Trump when lobbying for Iran war...
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danisindeedfat2 days ago
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That’s assuming you can find them all. You can’t. This is 101 what every army soldier learns about Korea.
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bautofdi2 days ago
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You’d need eyes on every corner of NK triangulating positions for thousands if not hundreds of thousands of c**** artillery guns.
Seoul will be dust before SK can destroy them all
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External-Plastic-1542 days ago
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The flawed logic surrounding North Korean artillery strikes is that it assumes South Korea would not respond at all. And artillery at that range would struggle to devastate areas like Seoul, which is filled with concrete apartment buildings. Without nuclear weapons, North Korea cannot effectively project power. That’s why it acts so desperately.
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danisindeedfat2 days ago
+2
The amount of life North Korea would be willing to lose compared to South is orders of magnitude more.
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External-Plastic-1542 days ago
+1
But then why are North Korean special forces soldiers captured in the Ukraine war applying for asylum in South Korea? lol.
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danisindeedfat2 days ago
+2
Because being North Korean sucks. The two are not mutually exclusive.
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MisterHole1232 days ago
+2
I have AI fatigue
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brehhs2 days ago
+1
Is it really that bad for wars to turn into robot vs robot?
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Budsack1 day ago
+1
We all saw what happened in SW: Clone Wars...build clone army, to defeat robot army, turn clone army...Their variation is to use robots and turn them on public and then the 1% live as an elitist egocentric eutopia, in reality massively dystopian considering the players. In this case they will have robots just kill everyone they deem useless eventually. They will justify building the army "to defend us" against threats foreign at first and eventually even domestically use them. It's clearly already in motion.
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GlassEase84441 day ago
+1
it's coming
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andoryu1232 days ago
+14
Imagine the look North Korean soldiers would have if humanoid robots appear at the DMZ.
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BaconReceptacle2 days ago
+7
Our Dear Supreme Leader would retaliate with his own robotic forces. Mind you it's just regular soldiers dressed in pots and pans but it would be just as formidable!
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CompleteBrush94892 days ago
+18
I don't think people realize the state of IT right now.
Spoiler : it's shit, vulnerabilities are discovered and exploited daily, may it be companies or states IT infrastructure, it's all a fragile jenga tower.
Most hackers now are using AI to boost their attacks.
Now we are seeing countries or companies that wants a private robotic army.
I bet we'll soon see the first murder by robots because of a hack.
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Glittering-Age-95492 days ago
+8
Well, they should ask Ukraine. They could even send a few thousand robots to Ukraine for testing.
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GreatGojira2 days ago
+7
Begun the Drone Wars has
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Cultural_Meeting_2402 days ago
+6
boston dynamics with a rifle, what could possibly go wrong
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yodeah2 days ago
+1
you mean a minigun and a rocket launcher
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BaconReceptacle2 days ago
+3
"Exploring" is a weird way to describe a decision that was made years ago and that they have been working tirelessly to make happen.
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tun3man2 days ago
+2
Hyundai lobby
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shaka893P2 days ago
+2
It like Horizon Zero Dawn, but we skip the part of trying to use robots to save Earth and go straight into war machines
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Khamvom2 days ago
+1
Less grunts and more tech has been the popular trend post-Cold War for most western militaries. There’s merit to it, but nothing will 100% replace the rifleman.
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Boatster_McBoat2 days ago
+1
What if they gave a war and nobody came.
Now we know
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Brave_Suggestion9452 days ago
+1
To be expected since Hyundai is transitioning to become a robot company
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mqrdesign2 days ago
+1
Lessons from Ukraine
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Healthy-Amoeba22961 day ago
+1
Love Korea, love robots. It is forbidden to give weapons to robots. Ukrainian fighting machines have all important decisions made by a human.
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Sislar1 day ago
+1
Makes me think of the Star Trek episode where wars were fought with just computer simulations
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Usermena20 hr ago
+1
Didn’t Hyundai just ink a big deal with palintier? That doesn’t seem like it’s going to be good for humans.
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IronyElSupremo2 days ago
It’s more than South Korea as many young men worldwide do not want to spend 2 years of their lives in uniform .. if the military isn’t their chosen profession. Societies will ultimately defend themselves.
Hence, plenty of companies worldwide providing “robot solutions” to the defense problem as it’s one of the two oldest professions in the world (actually robots are going into the other oldest profession .. probably Japanese lol, .. but another post).
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