"Keeping up foreign relations - you know, giving the bird"
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Koala_eiO2 days ago
+492
The generation that cannot let go of its smartphone is already flying jets?
> South Korea's air force suspended the wingman pilot, who has since left the military to work for a commercial airline.
Oh oh.
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Ginger_Anarchy2 days ago
+120
I'm honestly surprised to learn any military allows personal cell phones in the cockpit . Seems like a obvious distraction and security risk.
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Koala_eiO2 days ago
+44
Yes, they should stay in the locker and be only available during free time. Plus there is the risk of hacking, listening to conversations, etc.
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InflatableLabboons1 day ago
+12
During free time? Like when they're getting their daily jog?
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PicanteBoloni1 day ago
+8
What do you mean "Strava threatens OPSEC" ? /s
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Jerri_man1 day ago
+9
Sure but a lot of military flying, including for fighter jets, is moving from one distant place to another and monitoring autopilot for 10 hours. Not saying it's the case in OP but they have plenty of boring downtime
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Badgrotz1 day ago
+18
Like most rules in the military it would only be enforced after something went wrong.
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Potates422 days ago
+83
Note to self: don't fly Korean Air
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a1usiv2 days ago
+41
Meh. Their in-flight bibimbap might be worth dying for. I just hope we don't crash before meal service.
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foxracing13132 days ago
+11
Hold up
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Character_Minimum1711 day ago
+2
so damn good
the reason I flew KA for a few years
also the overnight hotel in Incheon was an awesome free perk
2
anunnaki_marauder2 days ago
+11
It's actually a great airline, now.
11
fjelskaug1 day ago
+1
They switched to only speaking English in the cockpit to remove the natural hierarchy when speaking in Korean, after the crash of a Boeing 747 Flight 801 where the first officer and flight engineer didn't dare to challenge the captain's mistake
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Dullcorgis1 day ago
+3
I don't trust that the language will stop them deferring to authority.
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fjelskaug1 day ago
+1
That's cool if you think so. Korean Air thinks otherwise and believes on its success of overhauling the company into speaking English https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/korean-labor-law-understanding-cultural-differences-work-bongsoo-jung
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xjpmhxjo2 days ago
-7
Then it must be Asiana
-7
RecentSpecial1812 days ago
+6
Korean Air just bought Asiana and they're merging
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shayKyarbouti2 days ago
+1
[ Removed by Listnook ]
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ApacheOc3lot1 day ago
+8
I get what you're saying, but this happened in 2021.
From my experience with the South Korean military, they very much care about optics.
Not saying what the pilots did was justified, they should have had a separate plane taking the pictures.
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dontknowshiitake2 days ago
+316
“South Korea's air force suspended the wingman pilot, who has since left the military to work for a commercial airline”. Better not be my f****** pilot
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gbghgs2 days ago
+186
It's fine, pretty much any big commercial jet is a two seater. That way one pilot can take photos while the other poses.
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Appealing_Apathy2 days ago
+20
They also can take off and land almost entirely on autopilot. My grandpa told me it was possible when he was a flight inspector in the 90's so I can only imagine what they can do now.
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MSeager2 days ago
+16
I don’t think it’s on commercial planes yet, buy Garmin has a full emergency landing system you can install on planes now. Like the pilot or passenger presses a button and the plane will declare an emergency to ATC, navigate to an appropriate airport, communicate with the airport ATC, and land.
I believe it’s already been used for a real emergency where the pilot had a medical emergency.
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chodeboi2 days ago
+6
Yes, and in the documented case both pilots remained in full capacity (despite the medical callout) and were able to closely monitor controls on descent.
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JGPH2 days ago
+1
Interesting, got a link with info? I'd love to read about this event.
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chodeboi2 days ago
+2
https://www.cbsnews.com/colorado/news/plane-emergency-landing-colorado-autoland/ with this you can track down the actual case
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Easy_Branch_61781 day ago
Garmin the watch company?
0
MSeager1 day ago
+3
Traditionally Garmin is a GPS Navigation and Communication Technology company. They do a lot in the marine and aircraft device space.
Then they shrunk the tech into smart watches.
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100BottlesOfMilk9 hr ago
+1
Garmin is mostly a GPS company. I used a handheld GPS of theirs hunting sometimes before I had a smartphone. They have a side buisness of watches
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Easy_Branch_61789 hr ago
+1
Never knew that. Thanks
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butthole_lipliner1 day ago
+1
Sometimes I am truly astonished by what the general public is willing to believe about aviation. I can’t imagine how much it would suck to have a plane full of pax who blindly believe the “plane can just land itself!”
I don’t know how the airline guys do it, really.
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Appealing_Apathy1 day ago
Yes you still need a pilot, but I am fairly confident my grandfather who trained fighter pilots prior to his civil career was not lying to me.
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butthole_lipliner1 day ago
+3
Yes, he more than likely was not *intending* to lie to you; he just had a gross misunderstanding of how the tech behind CATIII Autoland works, the level of training/skill/communication/precision needed to execute it, and likely its use case. Which is arguably quite limited in the grand scheme of things.
The other comments mentioning the garmin kill switch/auto ATC/ auto squawk 7600 / autoland are correct and extremely exciting developments for the future of safety in aviation. But they are very recent and again, not currently being deployed at any scale outside GA scope testing. We are very very far away from seeing that level of sophistication adapted to any commercial jet for quite some time.
But I’m all ears for hearing about how your “fighter pilot trainer” grandpa knows more about autopilot capabilities than an actual commercial pilot.
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HYDROMORPHONE_ZONE2 days ago
+1
I think they can circle the airport until it’s time to land automatically too. I forget the term for it
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not_the_cicada2 days ago
+6
Being stacked?
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HumanGrapefruit10272 days ago
+5
Stupid s*** planes
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son_et_lumiere2 days ago
+2
lapidaisical
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wolfcaroling2 days ago
-4
It depends on the airport. Most airports now offer ISL approaches but not all.
-4
Important_Cucumber2 days ago
+4
the f*** is an ISL approach
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terminalzero2 days ago
+5
instruments as a second language
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Wigglepus2 days ago
+4
No no. I'm pretty sure ISL is instrument sign language.
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Appealing_Apathy2 days ago
+5
I believe they meant ILS approach: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Instrument_landing_system
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anunnaki_marauder2 days ago
+17
Korean Air was known as "an industry pariah, notorious for fatal crashes" in the airline industry prior to 1999, resulting in hundreds of fatalities. South Korean President Kim Dae-Jung would call the airline's safety record "an embarrassment to the nation" & would fly rival airliner Asiana.
They now have a very good safety record but that was only after a serious overhaul of how things were conducted in the cockpit.
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justaloadofshite2 days ago
+1
It’s ok he got a dash cam so he’s hands free
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TechnicalSurround2 days ago
+1
Relax, maybe they are just flying cargo (hazardous cargo).
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uthred19812 days ago
+45
i never used my phone when i flew a jet at mach 2
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mrzaius2 days ago
+15
No signal?
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uthred19812 days ago
+17
exact, how can i watch my favorite tv show
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MulYut2 days ago
+6
P****
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uthred19812 days ago
+5
I prefer to use my laptop at that altitude
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MulYut2 days ago
+3
Chad
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starlordbg2 days ago
+3
I like scrolling on social media with the afterburners kicked in.
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LoveHurtsDaMost2 days ago
+2
I did and I have nice pics now. Suckers.
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NotTheHeroWeNeed2 days ago
+37
“Too close for missiles, I'm switching to my phone!”
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Old-Tea19802 days ago
+130
Does South Korea have a Florida???
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5GCovidInjection2 days ago
+64
Yeah, it’s Gyeongsangnam-do.
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gratitudenplatitudes2 days ago
+32
Don’t tell me what to do
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MulYut2 days ago
-3
Bless you
-3
zhaoz2 days ago
+22
Every society haa a Florida!!
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GatorReign2 days ago
+31
Even Florida, which has Miami.
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amakai2 days ago
+9
Does Miami have Florida?
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s0ulbrother2 days ago
+9
Floridas all the way down
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the_second_cumming2 days ago
+2
Hialeah
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thrownawaymane1 day ago
+1
Some days I think fondly of the girl I knew from Hialeah.
Good times
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unfortunatebag2 days ago
+1
Cuba
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pimparo02 days ago
+2
I would have gone with Polk County. Depends on what Florida we are Floriding
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Academic_Carrot_45332 days ago
+1
I thought that would’ve been Jacksonville.
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bill49352 days ago
+6
Canada's Florida is just one bar on Church St. in Toronto.
On the other hand, our Texas is almost as big as Texas.
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Brief_Hospital_17662 days ago
+1
>*"Canada's Florida is just one bar on Church St. in Toronto."*
What about Newfoundland?
FIVE GODDAMN YEARS TO INVESTIGATE. Wow, that’s crazy. Guess they wanted to make sure everyone who could be accountable was already gone.
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tmax2020202 days ago
+12
Was one upside down like the F14-Mig28 in Top Gun?
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TyrialFrost2 days ago
+15
>The wingman pilot then abruptly flew his jet up higher and flipped it so that it could be better captured on camera.
Yep.
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FischiPiSti1 day ago
+1
Ok but were they at least blasting Danger Zone?
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Qwahlity_Koalatea2 days ago
+12
Taking photos of significant flights was "a widespread practice among pilots at the time", the audit board said in a report published on Wednesday.
The pilot had declared his intent to do so in a briefing before the flight, according to the report.
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FreeWillyBird2 days ago
+35
But did they get the selfies?
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Wonderful-Impact-5982 days ago
+10
Did they need to check Google Maps?
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Constant_Section14912 days ago
+5
worth it.
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Voderama2 days ago
+5
Can’t even be in fighter jet traffic without people on their phones smh
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dmh1656382 days ago
+3
Was one inverted and using s Polaroid?
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travelerguy02 days ago
+3
Were they inverted?
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ApacheOc3lot1 day ago
+3
For anyone who didn't/can't read the article, this happened in 2021, both pilots survived.
Only damage was the two aircraft.
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phiiota2 days ago
+2
Doh 😵
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RatherBeSkiing2 days ago
+2
"contact bridgey"
"Contact wingman"
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chantsnone2 days ago
+2
I’m surprised they’re allowed to bring their phones
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Minimum_Leadership512 days ago
+3
Deserved. If they tell and punish us using the phone in the car or even the freaking bicycle, why should pilots remotely get the idea to do that? Typical F around f out moment and a waste of Korea's taxpayer's money.
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Resident_Trouble_5792 days ago
+1
I got a great Polaroid of it
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OkFix40742 days ago
+1
Do they not know how to mount an insta 360 or GoPro?
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shewy922 days ago
+1
I gotta land this plane. But first, let me take a selfie
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HoneyBadger5522 days ago
+1
remember kids. instagram posts can wait
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Few_Occasion4582 days ago
+1
Uh...eh...umm...oh boy. Must we really talk about flying and playing on your phone?
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majorzero422 days ago
+1
Did they get the pictures tho?
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jjb0ne1 day ago
+1
what a bunch of 씨🦶 shekkis
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kimsemi1 day ago
+1
My god teach these people how to use camera zoom.
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OnyxBaird1 day ago
+1
That’s one expensive picture
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Character_Minimum1711 day ago
+1
K-popped off
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vagabond2511 day ago
+1
Aaaaashiibaa.
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xxfblz2 days ago
For years, we held summer camps at my uni. Everytime we had a pretend olympics, there were military planes making low passes for ten minutes to ogle at the 120 pretty 20-year old girls prancing around on the sports field. They stopped doing that the day two of them VERY NEARLY collided while not looking in front of them.
They were A-10s, so I think they were from the nearby US base in Osan...
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