For saying Israel is the enemy of the world. She's right though, Israeli PR is going insane trying to save face but you can't really walk back from what you've done
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xmuskorx5 days ago
+98
spain famously expelled all Jews in middle ages and not much has changed since.
Jew hate runs deep
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FYoCouchEddie5 days ago
+41
Not just the Middle Ages. The inquisition lasted until 1834.
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-drunk_russian-5 days ago
+47
They still have a holiday literally named "kill jews"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matar_jud%C3%ADos
>Matar judíos (lit. 'killing Jews') is a tradition during Holy Week celebrations in the northern Spanish Province of León, especially in the city of León and its environs, during which participants drink Leonese lemonade, consisting primarily of lemonade, red wine, and sugars.
>Critics argue that the name is offensive and perpetuates antisemitic stereotypes. Supporters, however, argue that the current practice is not meant to be antisemitic, and view it as a cultural tradition.
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xmuskorx5 days ago
+35
\>Supporters, however, argue that the current practice is not meant to be antisemitic, and view it as a cultural tradition.
These "supporters" sound like righteous cunts
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curb-stomp-a-tankie5 days ago
+5
>view it as cultural tradition
It’s funny they say that because the “significance” section literally says “Celebration of Easter, originally to celebrate pogroms against Jews killing Jesus Christ”
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xmuskorx4 days ago
+6
the cultural significance was the Jew hate all along!!
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Little-Stage19485 days ago
+114
Just so we're clear the same lady that a bunch of spain's neighbors had condemned for being an antisemite, is getting this award, and we're supposed to take spain seriously
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Syn_Ick5 days ago
-83
The condemnations against Ms Albanese appear to be unjustified except by the usual logic of, “criticize Israel = antisemite”. I don’t know of any credible source or credible evidence that Francesca Albanese - a life long European human rights attorney - is a racist or a bigot.
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Little-Stage19485 days ago
+59
Lol she was at a conference on panel with hamas, where as a un rep, said israel is the enemy of humanity.
Again saying this standing next to hamas.
You can hate israel all you want, but that doesn't make hamas good.
It's so exhausting hearing, progressive, say the same tired shit about zionism in all the israel nonsense after going almost a decade of their favorite word being dog whistle.
Just stop, no one believes in your bullshit, virtue signaling, selective empathy
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Bitter_Nail85775 days ago
+32
There is a big gap between criticizing Israel and being Hamas' b****, Albanese went into the deep end and started digging as if it wasn't enough.
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xmuskorx5 days ago
+23
she did not "criticize it"
.she called it an enemy of al humanity. that's a bit beyond "criticism."
bro
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Syn_Ick5 days ago
-11
Would you agree that any government that is committing genocide is the enemy of all humanity?
Taken in that context - Ms Albanese makes no secret of her view that Israel is and has been committing genocide against the Palestinian people, and with solid reasoning backed by strong legal evidence - it’s impossible to see this as antisemitism. She is discussing a country’s actions, not an ethnic or religious group.
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xmuskorx5 days ago
+14
So is Hamas that committed genocide on October 7 an enemy of al humanity?
Is Iran that genocided 30,000 protestors in one week an enemy of all humanity?
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gdyhhfser3 days ago
+1
That’s not the definition of genocide
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xmuskorx3 days ago
+1
sure it is. Iran targeted for murder regular non Islamist Persian people with intent to destroy them in whole or in part.
genocide.
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gdyhhfser2 days ago
+1
They didn’t target them for their Persian identity. They targeted them because they were protesting the government
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xmuskorx2 days ago
+1
targeted for being non- islamist. genocide
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Syn_Ick5 days ago
-3
Sorry, I didn’t catch your answer to my question. Before we move on:
Would you agree that any government that is committing genocide is the enemy of all humanity?
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xmuskorx5 days ago
+7
So is Hamas that committed genocide on October 7 an enemy of al humanity?
Is Iran that genocide 30,000 protestors in one week an enemy of all humanity?
let's test your view?
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Syn_Ick5 days ago
+2
So you’re refusing to answer the question, and instead trying to demand I answer yours on a different topic instead?
What sort of lame tactic is this? Just answer the freaking question and stop playing obvious games like you think we’re all really stupid.
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xmuskorx5 days ago
+10
So you’re refusing to answer MY question?
What sort of lame tactic is this? Just answer the freaking question and stop playing obvious game.
Or you know - you can just stay on topic and admit that Albanese was DEMONIZING Israel and went way further than any "criticism" and not play "let's answer my question" games we can ALL play ad nauseum.
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gdyhhfser3 days ago
+1
F*** off genocide apologist, coming from a Jew who doesn’t need your defense
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galenite4 days ago
-1
This exact example is what makes it difficult to view criticism of her as an honest one.
The full quote clearly states that those supporting the war, and naturally profiteering off the war and war crimes, are the enemy of humanity she is refering to. Even in one of the links in comments here it is pretty obvious that a sentence is missing before this "enemy of humanity". And AI edited video of her speech was also used.
So if it is so obvious she is an anti-semite, why use such dishonest methods in even a single case? I come from a country that was proven to have commited a genocide and these tactics are used to this day by its nationalists to discredit those who had worked on uncovering war crimes. That does not mean there is no real hate towards the whole nation, which is naturally wrong, but such hate is in this case too spread by those who gained and still gain from war and nationalism.
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xmuskorx4 days ago
read her original quote? No AI required
apparently Shadowy internationalist groups (hmm who could she be referring to) are an enemy of humanity for merely helping Israel. so what does it make it Israel?
it is very very clear who she demonized.
coming from a person who believes in "Jewish lobbies" are controlling the world - we all know what she means. it's transparent to anyone who is not trying to be willfully ignorant.
which is why the world leaders called her a Jew hater. which she is
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neuser_5 days ago
+53
For real, Francesca "the jews are the root of all evil" Albanese could never be an antisemite! My lord why would anyone claim that???
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MajesticCaptain80525 days ago
-31
Are you saying that's a direct quote? I think you should back that up with evidence
Edit: as this news report reveals her comments were [manipulated with AI.](https://www.euronews.com/my-europe/2026/02/17/did-the-uns-francesca-albanese-really-call-israel-the-enemy-of-humanity) Funny how that goes
" *She later clarified her remarks on X, saying that what she described as the "common enemy of humanity" was "the system", including the financial capital, algorithms and weapons that she mentioned, which, in her words, enables violence in Gaza.* "
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cytokine75 days ago
+34
I mean, she did literally say that America was subjugated by “ the Jewish lobby.” Which sounds like saying the quiet part out loud after the outrageous things she has said about Israel and justifying October 7.
Either way it’s very clear as Day was actually going on here. Spain’s Sanchez leads a fragile minority coalition beset by corruption probes and dependent on separatist parties who agree on almost nothing domestically — except Israel. Gaza is one of the few issues that unites his entire bloc and polls overwhelmingly with Spanish voters, making it a low-cost way to project moral leadership while housing, Catalan amnesty, and judicial scandals fracture his government. The louder Spain gets on Israel, the more it papers over a domestic agenda Sanchez can’t actually deliver on.
Sanchez has clearly absorbed a lesson many struggling leaders throughout history have found useful. When your own house is on fire, turning the spotlight on the Jews, or today the world’s only Jewish state, is a remarkably effective way to scapegoat your way out of accountability.
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MajesticCaptain80525 days ago
-12
Can you provide me with a link to her saying this if possible?
I just searched "Francesca Albanese Jewish Lobby US" and the top result was from UNwatch, which as I stated in my above comment was the site that was found to have doctored a video of Albanese, so not credible.
Just trying to get the correct information here , I think if you're claiming something in World News you should be able to provide credible proof, as opinions are swayed easily by misinformation
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cytokine75 days ago
+18
Albanese herself didn't deny writing it, she called the words ["infelicitous, analytically inaccurate, and unintendedly offensive"](https://www.timesofisrael.com/un-palestinian-rights-officials-social-media-history-reveals-antisemitic-comments/) when *Times of Israel* first surfaced the post. Even the [116 pro-Palestinian organizations](https://defenceforchildren.org/joint-statement-condemning-israels-targeted-smear-campaign-against-respected-un-special-rapporteur-francesca-albanese/) that rallied to defend her quoted the post verbatim, just arguing it shouldn't be read as antisemitic in context. Both her critics and her defenders agree she wrote it.
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MajesticCaptain80525 days ago
-9
Okay, thanks for providing the context. She probably should have been more careful with her comments in her position as a UN ambassador, even if what she says is accurate
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xmuskorx5 days ago
+11
"she should have obfuscated her obvious Jew hate a bit better."
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MajesticCaptain80525 days ago
-8
To your second part of your comment, could you not apply the same logic of [insert X leader] galvanising their voterbase in support of Israel? I can think of one Orange one at the very least.
Also I live in Spain, and although I don't speak for an entire nation the country is very much in agreement with Sánchez on his stance on Palestine-Israel
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Little-Stage19485 days ago
+11
because supporting Israel has been a super popular position in the US over the last 2 years......
Listnook shows it love with its constant pimping of anyone who associates with aipac. Are they doing that because it's a positive
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cytokine75 days ago
+7
How is it galvanizing support? A huge chunk of his base hates Israel (and Jews.)
> Also I live in Spain, and although I don't speak for an entire nation the country is very much in agreement with Sánchez on his stance on Palestine-Israel
That’s exactly my point. It’s something that everyone agrees on, that doesn’t actually affect the people, and Sanchez can make meaningless gestures to make the people happy, while not actually solving any actual problems.
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MajesticCaptain80525 days ago
To the first point, is there not a sizeable portion of his voterbase that are evangelical christian and absolutely love Israel?
Okay sorry I misinterpreted your position on the second point. I guess I can see what you're saying.
I still don't think it makes it the wrong stance to take, regardless of what ulterior motive he may have
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Little-Stage19485 days ago
+9
We know you don't, it's why you're defending someone who's been called antisemitic by multiple western nations. Much less the jews themselves, but who gives a shit what they think, am I right?
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MajesticCaptain80525 days ago
+1
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MajesticCaptain80525 days ago
And this is a challenge. The fact that instead of stopping Israel,most of the world has armed it , given it political excuses, political sheltering, economic and financial support. *This* is a challenge. The fact that the most of the media in the in the western world has been amplifying the the pro-apartheid, genocidal narrative is a challenge. And at the same time here *also* lays opportunity, because if international law has been stabbed in the heart it's also true that never before the global community has seen the challenges that we all face. *We* who do not control large amounts of financial capitals, algorithms and weapons. We now see that *we* ,as a humanity, have a common enemy, and the respect of fundamental freedoms is the last peaceful avenue, the last peaceful toolbox that we have to regain our freedom.
I've read her quote in context and I don't give a solitary shit what multiple ministers in multiple western nations have called her. They are proving her point to a T.
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arnham5 days ago
+1
https://eurojewcong.org/news/communities-news/spain/report-highlights-321-increase-in-antisemitic-incidents-in-spain-in-2024/
Your nation is full of antisemites who blame their local Jewry for the actions of Israel.
The 2024 Antisemitism Report, published by the Antisemitism Observatory — a joint initiative of the Federation of Jewish Communities of Spain and the Movement Against Intolerance — reveals a record-breaking 321% rise in antisemitic incidents compared to 2023, and a 567% increase since 2022.
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DDoubleDDog5 days ago
+17
She is most definitely an anti-Jewish bigot. She doesn't just criticize Israel. She makes hateful comments against Jews too.
[Francesca Albanese in Her Own Words](https://www.adl.org/resources/article/francesca-albanese-her-own-words)
[Condemnations Against Antisemitic UN Rapporteur Francesca Albanese](https://unwatch.org/condemnations-against-antisemitic-un-rapporteur-francesca-albanese/)
[U.S. Sanctions Infamously Antisemitic U.N. Official Francesca Albanese Over Anti-Israel Advocacy](https://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/israel-news/2423410/u-s-sanctions-infamously-antisemitic-u-n-official-francesca-albanese-over-anti-israel-advocacy.html)
[U.S. Officials Chide ‘Antisemitism’ of UN Rapporteur Francesca Albanese](https://www.fdd.org/analysis/2024/11/01/u-s-officials-chide-antisemitism-of-un-rapporteur-francesca-albanese/)
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Syn_Ick5 days ago
+2
The Trump administration’s denunciations have absolutely nothing to do with anything truthful. This is the same group that has literally sanctioned the family members of International Criminal Court prosecutors and judges, in blatant violation of the Rome Statute’s anti coercion clause.
Can you provide a single example of a sourced quote from Ms Albanese that is actually antisemitic?
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Little-Stage19485 days ago
+18
>Can you provide a single example
“America and Europe, one of them subjugated by the Jewish lobby, and the other by the sense of guilt about the Holocaust, remain on the sidelines and continue to condemn the oppressed... instead of making Israel face its international law"
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DDoubleDDog5 days ago
+2
I already provided sources. You are ignoring reality.
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Syn_Ick5 days ago
-2
[ Editor’s note - I can see that a comment reply was made by the person I responded to, but it seems they blocked me directly after, so I cannot see the comment. Must not have been a very strong argument! ]
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MajesticCaptain80525 days ago
-11
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xmuskorx5 days ago
+16
we all saw the original video. it was horrific. France reacted to the original and never took the reaction back.
she clearly IMPLIED who is the "the common enemy of humanity" in her shitty opinion. just because she obfuscated it a bit does not mean she fooled anyone other than those who chose to stay intentionally ignorant.
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MajesticCaptain80525 days ago
+2
"And this is a challenge. The fact that instead of stopping Israel,most of the world has armed it , given it political excuses, political sheltering, economic and financial support. *This* is a challenge. The fact that the most of the media in the in the western world has been amplifying the the pro-apartheid, genocidal narrative is a challenge. And at the same time here *also* lays opportunity, because if international law has been stabbed in the heart it's also true that never before the global community has seen the challenges that we all face. *We* who do not control large amounts of financial capitals, algorithms and weapons. We now see that *we* ,as a humanity, have a common enemy, and the respect of fundamental freedoms is the last peaceful avenue, the last peaceful toolbox that we have to regain our freedom."
This is the full commentary that the above poster referenced when talking about "Enemy of Humanity"
I think it's important to add the context of what immediately comes before the enemy of Humanity comment. Its speaking to international powers that flagrantly break laws when it comes to finance, war etc. Its speaking to abuses of power across all nations, that don't respect the idea of freedom being a fundamental right. And it's true, there wouldn't be an open air prison like Gaza if it wasn't true.
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xmuskorx5 days ago
+5
WHO DO YOU THINK "common enemy of humanity" refers to in the above quote?
it's obvious to anyone....
ahh yeah. the mysterious Shadowy internationalist puppeteer?????
who is buying this c***.
also... let's follow this logic....
these "international puppeteer" (like we don't know who she means) are enemy of humanity for .... helping Israel. which makes Israel what EXACTLY??
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MajesticCaptain80525 days ago
+2
>it's obvious to anyone....
Not to me? Please stop dancing around the wording and tell me EXACTLY who you think she is talking about.
>WHO DO YOU THINK "common enemy of humanity" refers to in the above quote?
It's as plain as day in the full quote that she says. The common enemy of humanity are those in power across all nations that have allowed this humanitarian crisis to unfold and turned a blind eye to Israels actions within Gaza and West Bank. Those that have provided political shelter and military and financial aid. Those who control the algorithms that feed a genocidal narrative, that control the finances and weapons that allow these horrors to continue.
>helping Israel. which makes Israel what EXACTLY??
Do you realise Israel and Judaism are 2 separate things, we're both on the same page right?
Again referring to above, the common enemy of humanity is those in power that allow international laws to be broke, hundreds of thousands of people to be killed for no meaningful reason at all, and yes, that of course includes those in power within Israel
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xmuskorx5 days ago
-1
> Not to me?
Maybe listen to what France said to see why it's obvious to all. Willful ignorance is not cool.
>are those in power across all nations
Lol. Like who? name names. Bruh..
This is such a dog whistle.
>Do you realise Israel
I mean that's what Albanese quote said?
SO you know agree that Albanese accused Israel of being a common enemy of humanity>????
Seems like you AGREE with her.... Sigh....
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MajesticCaptain80525 days ago
+4
>Maybe listen to what France said to see why it's obvious to all.
I repeat: pleaaasse stop dancing around the wording and tell me EXACTLY who *YOU* think she is talking about.
I have read her comment in full context and I don't need a couple of ministers in France to tell me how badly they misinterpreted her statement. She was attacking THEM lol for f*** sake.
>Like who? name names. Bruh..
Netanyahu,Trump, Merz, Starmer, Macron etc. These are only the leaders of nations providing military support to Israel, you can extend that list to any nation state that has not spoke up against the atrocities. As far as I can tell, Spain, Ireland, Iceland & other Nordic countries are the only nations with leaders with a backbone.
>SO you know agree that Albanese accused Israel of being a common enemy of humanity>????
We're going around in circles now and I'm beginning to realise you may have some comprehension issues.
Have a great day and hope you come around before it's too late
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xmuskorx5 days ago
+5
> I repeat: pleaaasse stop dancing around the wording and tell me EXACTLY who YOU think she is talking about.
She is accusing all who support Israel of being enemies of humanity.
She is accusing Israel of being enemies of humanity.
it's plain meaning. What is there to EXPLAIN????
>Netanyahu
Lol. So you agree that she DID mean certain Israelis are enemies to all humanity?
You have exposed yourself.
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MajesticCaptain80525 days ago
-1
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xmuskorx5 days ago
+6
Yep. She looks bigoted as ever.
Who do YOU think the "the common enemy of humanity" was a dig at????
As per common sense France sent a letter to Albanese condemning phrases that absolutely WERE in the video like the "the common enemy of humanity."
Nothing in your article denies this.
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MajesticCaptain80525 days ago
-1
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xmuskorx5 days ago
+6
>>Who do YOU think the "the common enemy of humanity" was a dig at????
>As per her clarifying comments, I think she is referring to an international system, be it military or otherwise, that puppeteers and profits heavily off these conflicts, is anybody denying that isn't the case?
lol. And you buy this? No one else does. France certainly did not.
Surely a UN "professional" would not be peddling some crazy conspiracy about shadowy "internationalist **them**" (you know who!).
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MajesticCaptain80525 days ago
+1
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+1
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xmuskorx5 days ago
+4
Dude, denying that Albanese clearly mean Israel is the bad faith argument.
Who the heck is taking the "shadowy puppeteers" nonsense seriously? Do you guys hear yourself talk? Take a second and evaluate this rationally. Who is being accused of being the shadow puppeteers since all the way back in Protocols of Elders of Zion? Can you POSSIBLY dog whistle any louder?
France was certainly not fooled. SHE 100% used the term Enemies of Humanity . And its 100% clear who she meant.
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PeterLake25 days ago
+107
Two antisemites reward each other. What are the odds.
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DDoubleDDog5 days ago
+61
This proves that Sanchez is an antisemite. This is not an exaggeration. Albanese has a long history of very antisemitic comments (not only anti-Israel, but also antisemitic). This is so outrageous that Spain deserves to be sanctioned and boycotted.
[Francesca Albanese in Her Own Words](https://www.adl.org/resources/article/francesca-albanese-her-own-words)
[Condemnations Against Antisemitic UN Rapporteur Francesca Albanese](https://unwatch.org/condemnations-against-antisemitic-un-rapporteur-francesca-albanese/)
[U.S. Sanctions Infamously Antisemitic U.N. Official Francesca Albanese Over Anti-Israel Advocacy](https://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/israel-news/2423410/u-s-sanctions-infamously-antisemitic-u-n-official-francesca-albanese-over-anti-israel-advocacy.html)
[U.S. Officials Chide ‘Antisemitism’ of UN Rapporteur Francesca Albanese](https://www.fdd.org/analysis/2024/11/01/u-s-officials-chide-antisemitism-of-un-rapporteur-francesca-albanese/)
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EquivalentOne2415 days ago
+102
Next, Hamas and Hezbollah will be nominated for Nobel Peace prize.
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MajorMess5 days ago
+63
What the actual f***...
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Bitter_Thought5 days ago
+27
A reminder that the Spanish Inquisition lasted into the mid 19th century and was in Spanish colonies as well. Spain would turn fascist shortly after it ended and support the Nazis and perons regime targeting of Jews. I wipe my ass with their endorsements
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YourPhrenologist5 days ago
-12
I do the same with your TikTok knowledge of history.
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Bitter_Thought5 days ago
+5
Jews were a tenth of Spains population (some estimates are higher) before 600 years of genocide reduced them to under a hundred thousand.
Spain invented secular prosecution of the Jews with the blood registers that Nazis would later use to hunt down and isolate even converts. And as compensation they provided a 4 f****** year window of citizenships. Disgusting country because of those who deny their own campaigns of extermination and hatred that persists today.
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Popular-Somewhere2345 days ago
+28
Clowns
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DDoubleDDog5 days ago
+12
The evil kind, not the funny kind.
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Bitter_Nail85775 days ago
+18
They can gladly keep her, she made a mess everywhere she went in our country
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[deleted]5 days ago
+25
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DDoubleDDog5 days ago
+5
They might as well rename it since Sanchez has basically surrendered to Islamic extremists.
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jews4beer5 days ago
+20
There's ways to be anti-Israel without supporting pieces of c*** like this.
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ts1593775 days ago
+33
In theory sure. In practice it almost always devolves into rank antisemitism.
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xmuskorx5 days ago
+30
nope. pretty much all anti-israel activities are just more or less losely covered up Jew hate.
you can critique Israel without being "anti-israel."
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Dddddddfried5 days ago
-23
Strong disagree. And framing it like this does a great disservice to fighting the real anti-semitism that is covered by anti-israel rhetoric
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magicaldingus5 days ago
+20
"real antisemitism"?
Is that kind of like "real r***"?
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Dddddddfried5 days ago
-7
What? No. I mean the legitimate criticism of Israeli policies, completely divorced from persecution of the Jewish people or religion, as opposed to criticism of Israel that very much blends in or is simply a mask for antisemitism.
Are you incapable of nuance or do you just naturally jump into the most abrasive rhetoric you can?
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magicaldingus5 days ago
+7
No, I totally agree. And when most Jews tell us that something is antisemitic, we should first doubt them because they're probably shielding the Israeli government from criticism (they're brainwashed and/or paranoid), and when we discover it actually is "real" antisemitism, we should tell them that it's the Israeli government's fault that they're experiencing it.
Btw, I'm also ready for a more "nuanced" discussion about r***. Like, let's be honest - we can't trust women anymore to define r***. They've been compromised by feminism! We, the people who are simply out to critique feminism, should be in charge of defining r***.
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Dddddddfried5 days ago
-5
So If i told you I was jewish would you believe me that there are legitimate criticisms of Israel that aren't anti-semitism?
I'm an NYC jew living abroad, trust me, there's plenty of anti-semitism, anti-semitism masked as anti-israel talk, and then anti-israel talk that has nothing to do with anti-semitism. I'm not sure why people find that so hard to believe
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magicaldingus5 days ago
+8
Of course there are legitimate criticisms of Israel that aren't antisemitism. Have you ever seen a clip of Knesset proceedings? Or watched literally any Israeli news channel?
That's not what we're talking about. We're talking about "anti-Israel activism". No, it's not normal for the entire world to be obsessively focused on "critiquing" a nation of 10 million people the size of new Jersey nestled in between theocratic and ethno-centric dictatorships. Just like it isn't normal for people to obsessively focused on black people committing crimes, and then defend themselves by saying "but look at the statistics - we should be allowed to talk about black crime". We call those people racists.
Antizionism is not "critique". It's a hate movement that targets it's local Jewish populations. Don't hold water for hate movements.
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gdyhhfser2 days ago
+1
Zionism is a terrorist movement
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xmuskorx5 days ago
+10
can't disagree with the truth.
what reason exist to be "anti-israel" (not merely criticism of Israel) other than Jew hate?
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Dddddddfried5 days ago
+2
...Are you serious? You can't think of a single thing Israel has done that's worthy of legitimate criticism? How about the way settlers attack Palestinian villages in the West Bank and the Israeli police (which is the police force responsible for their safety) do nothing
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xmuskorx5 days ago
+12
I can think of things I can legitimately criticize Ukraine for in it's war with the Russia.
but that wouldn't not make me "anti-Ukraine."
being anti-israel (not mere criticism of Israel) is nothing but Jew hate.
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Dddddddfried5 days ago
+4
There are people who are anti-America because of the actions of its government, but that doesn't mean they hate Americans
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xmuskorx5 days ago
+10
nope. being anti an entire country is a sign of bigotry and hate.
I am still waiting for the mythical non Jew hating reasons to be anti-israel (not merely criticisms of Israel).
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Dddddddfried5 days ago
+5
What about being Anti-Iran? Would you say that someone who is Anti-Iran is a hateful bigot? Or Anti-Russia, or even North Korea?
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xmuskorx5 days ago
+9
being anti Iran is bigoted. I wish nothing but the best for Iran and it's people even if I don't like a lot of the policies of the current Iranian regime.
dude... check your head. please
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egati0024 days ago
People are anti-America because they hate Americans, not because of Trump's government. Others are ani because it's fashionable to be so right now - the same way that teenage mean girls pick and bully some other girl from their school for no reason, but they think it's so funny.
If you are anti an entire country, that means that you hate the people, the existence of the country - everything. If you have specific criticism regarding some of Israel's politics, then by all means go ahead the criticize those - but do you know any?
Anti-Israel and anti-zionism today is the equivalent of a nazi that put on a pink uniform, hid the swastika, added some colorful accessories with hearts and kittens or whatever and pretends to be a nice person. That's still a nazi/antisemite that pretends to be something else visually, so that people can swallow easily the anti-jew rethorics.
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Pseudanonymius5 days ago
-9
Comments under this post are a blast again.
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jews4beer5 days ago
+101
This lady was accusing Israel of genocide and calling for a ceasefire literally the day of October 7th before the bodies were even cold. She called what Hamas did "legitimite resistance." French and German leaders have both condemned her remarks several times.
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Syn_Ick5 days ago
-25
> This lady was accusing Israel of genocide
Isn’t there a fairly strong case to be made that, even prior to October 7th, Israel’s policies of settlement and ethnic filtration in the West Bank did constitute genocide?
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magicaldingus5 days ago
+35
There isn't even a strong case now, after 2.5 years of open war
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gdyhhfser2 days ago
Yes there is, if you ask people who aren’t openly monsters
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ImAjustin5 days ago
+16
No there is no real case to be made. Afaik, there was no case ever brought to any international court prior to 10/7 war. Even that case is still under review.
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jews4beer5 days ago
+19
If you want to think that, sure. But she was directly referring to the immediate retaliation to October 7th. But out of curiosity, do you think she had a "strong case" when she said that the murder, r***, and kidnapping of over 1000 civilians at a music festival was "legitimite resistance"?
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Syn_Ick5 days ago
+1
> she said that the murder, r***, and kidnapping of over 1000 civilians at a music festival was "legitimite resistance"?
I don’t think she said that. Maybe the last two words but nothing else? Got a source?
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jews4beer5 days ago
+15
She called October 7th legitimite resistance. So yes that is exactly what she insinuated. Cut these people from your ranks and then we can have a serious conversation. Keep them and continue to be grouped in with anti-semites.
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Syn_Ick5 days ago
+4
Given the falsification of her quote you already tried to pass off, and the lack of sources provided for your revised summary of her comments, I am inclined to believe that you are deliberately misconstruing her comments.
I don’t think people who falsify quotes are ready for “serious conversation” in any event. Serious conversation requires both sides to cling to the truth more strongly than to their ethnonationalist, religious, economic, or political biases. Zionism advocates generally seem to represent the polar opposite of that “truth first” mentality.
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jews4beer5 days ago
+10
And I am inclined to believe you are keeping your head in the sand. Go read her wikipedia.
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Syn_Ick5 days ago
+5
If the falsified quote you provided were accurate, you would just supply a source.
Question for you - do you consider the post 1967 expansion of Israeli settlements legitimate, or do you acknowledge them as a form of ethnic cleansing?
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MajesticCaptain80525 days ago
-8
Time and time again those claims have been proven to be unsubstantiated (regarding mass systemic r***) , I can't believe people are still parroting those claims.
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jews4beer5 days ago
+19
Um...care to back that up with a source?
But let's say fine. So that mass murder and kidnapping of over 1000 civilians at a music festival was "legitimite resistance"?
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MajesticCaptain80525 days ago
+2
Is the mass killing of over 75,000 -100,000 civilians in Gaza a "legitimate response", in your opinion?
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jews4beer5 days ago
+12
Well if that number were true...which it isn't...because if it's even close to true you are trying to claim that all Hamas members are civiilians. So you aren't arguing in good faith.
But if we play your game...and say that no it isn't. Would that mean you agree what Hamas did wasn't either? Or are you just gonna keep ignoring that part.
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MajesticCaptain80525 days ago
+1
Pick any of the sources (there are multiple) from the [Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_and_gender-based_violence_in_the_October_7_attacks?wprov=sfla1), don't just discredit the Wiki you can easily read the sources there to verify
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jews4beer5 days ago
+10
Yes there are a couple sentences in that article pointing to 1 or 2 articles that deny the claim...and Hamas. But if you read the whole thing there was even an ICC indictment of Dief for sexual violence and even the UN ultimately saying the claims had merit.
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MajesticCaptain80525 days ago
+5
The claims had merit that sexual violence happened, I don't think anyone is denying that. We are talking about whether they were isolated incidents or whether it was widespread and systemic, of which there is no evidence.
There is also evidence of IDF engaging in similar behaviours both pre and post Oct 7th, but we know better than to call it "systemic" or attribute that to *all* IDF soldiers. Its a bad faith argument
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juliohernanz5 days ago
-70
What's wrong with that?
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DDoubleDDog5 days ago
+11
Oct. 7 was mass murder, torture, r*** and kidnapping, not "resistance". It was an aggressive act of war, a war crime and a crime against humanity. Hamas and all of its supporters deserve to be prosecuted and thrown in prison for life.
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CatraGirl5 days ago
+51
What's wrong with calling mass r*** and murder "legitimate resistance"? Are you for real?
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