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hippodribble 1 day ago +1288

Fortunately it's not contagious unless you catch it.

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FreeToasterBaths 23 hr ago +133

So it's like reverse pokemon?

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ZooneTrooper 23 hr ago +21

gotta catch em all ? 🤒 /s

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gcpdudes 22 hr ago +101

Fortunately, we can also stop new cases from showing up if we stop testing altogether. A US president said so.

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senditloud 16 hr ago +3

I mean I’m kind of worried about the US ones

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andresopeth 1 day ago +17

true, just avoid catching it, easy

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YoungLittlePanda 19 hr ago +7

Oh. Thank goodness.

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urlond 15 hr ago

The us wont test probably so our numbers will remain at 1 or 2. Can't remember how many was diagnosed here after they got off.

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hippodribble 13 hr ago +1

There are many ways to get a perfect score 👌

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Sweet_Ad_2708 20 hr ago +88

I mean,all the passengers are potentially all hantavirus cases. Isn't?

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Lizrael48 11 hr ago +19

That is how it Should be treated. Unfortunately it was not! We no longer have our experts here in America, they were all fired, and we stepped out of WHO, so it left other countries unsure of anything related to pandemics, because we were always the leader in these scenarios! Thank tRump and his entire administration for this!

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Masterclass_jacob 1 day ago +704

Yeah let's just evacuate them one by one and send them to their respective countries ig, seems like the perfect idea

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725Cali 23 hr ago +240

A number of passengers disembarked on April 24 and were normally living their lives in various countries before they were notified on around May 4 about the need to isolate. Authorities will have a hard time tracking those possible transmission chains. ETA: The link that someone posted below about "very balanced data.." links to a man known for spreading misinformation.

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Masterclass_jacob 21 hr ago +80

and like a dozen medical personel just got put in isolation bc they didn't follow containment protocols. At the end of the day it's about restricting shitty human behavior

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ImanAstrophysicist 20 hr ago +39

I wanted to add that the pictures of the evacuees wearing little blue half-buttoned plastic garments over their coats, hair nets and badly-fit masks, and with their belongings tied up in white plastic garbage bags… was an absolute screamer of a joke. Could not POSSIBLY lower the chances of spreading ANYTHING. And that is the ‘protocol developed by health authorities’? I have no faith in those health authorities whatsoever.

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frescadoctor 16 hr ago +18

They weren’t wearing their masks! At least two older men had their masks on their chins on the bus from the ship to the planes!

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mfb- 10 hr ago +2

All confirmed infections are people who were on the ship. We know it can spread from human to human, but it doesn't do that very efficiently.

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Zalnar 22 hr ago +7

Imagine if one guy got away and did like 100 prostitutes while infectious.

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PhantomPain0_0 19 hr ago +18

Fortunately in this economy no one has that much money to f*** 100 prostitutes

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khrak 22 hr ago +63

Second paragraph. >The passenger with the new confirmed case of hantavirus was in quarantine in a military hospital in Madrid, where 13 other Spanish nationals evacuated Sunday — who all tested negative for the virus — also are staying.

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xnmyl 13 hr ago +1

It has affected 11 people. There really is no real risk of an outbreak

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Heavy-Report9931 12 hr ago +9

isn't that how covid started? not sure why the ship was evacuated when. they are literally the most evacuated when on a ship...

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Goku420overlord 8 hr ago +2

I was following Twitter when it started. And there were videos from china with people passing out or straight dying all over the place. It was f****** crazy daily

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Squibbles01 7 hr ago +1

I think the virus paid them off

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PrudentGogurt 15 hr ago +20

If you played Plague.Inc you know that when you see this headline you just lost the game.

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Zzzlol94 1 day ago +152

Surely this is the end of it. Right?

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False_Raven 1 day ago +126

If they all get perfectly quarantined, yes In reality? **No**

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Alleandros 20 hr ago +45

They were already quarantined on the ship, we never should have let them disembark. Confine them there and bring in medical experts and equipment to treat them

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Spud_Rancher 14 hr ago +10

I’m sure someone will chime in with why that didn’t occur, but to me the best course of action would be to provide what care can be done on the ship. Let the virus run its course, and medically evacuate anyone who needs a higher level of care.

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Four_beastlings 21 hr ago +6

The Spanish ones are, at least

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Virtual_Medium_6721 1 day ago +50

I'm tired, boss

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Doctor_Fritz 23 hr ago +40

Yes. This virus isn't as infectious as the media tries to make it out to be. They're just hungry for clicks.

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libra_gal_ 21 hr ago +16

Exactly. The strain from the ship has already been sequenced and scientists found that it’s identical to the ANDES strain we already know, which has been around for decades. People are jumping to conclusions saying this is some special strain that has mutated and is way more transmissible than the Andes strain we know, and it’s just not true. It’s pure speculation from people who are not virologists and most likely didn’t know anything about this virus before 2 weeks ago. All of these people were in a confined space together. The ship was a smaller ship, not some giant carnaval cruise monstrosity, so it’s not some crazy inconceivable possibility that these people were often in close proximity to each other. It was said in the dining room, they sat and ate very close to each other (nearly shoulder to shoulder) as it was a small area. So if you think about it, this is actually the ideal environment for a virus that requires close contact and proximity to spread; and even then, still only a small fraction of the ship’s population has been infected as far as we know. Even the flight crew who came in contact with the wife of patient zero, has all tested negative. As of now, no one who was not on that ship has been infected. So we need to calm down. People who are not informed, need to stop spreading misinformation and scaring people.

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space-dragon750 13 hr ago +6

\> People who are not informed, need to stop spreading misinformation and scaring people. yup. there are so many types of viruses & they don’t all behave the same way. this virus behaves differently than COVID. ppl on listnook don’t need to pretend to know more than experts who’ve spent years studying viruses & who work in the field

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Anxious_cactus 22 hr ago +8

Research on Andes type from local infectious event of human-to-human transmission from 2018 places it ar R0=2 which is around the same as covid-19, with 11 dead on 34 infected. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33264545/

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Dazzling-Rub-8550 21 hr ago +4

Well but the research hasn’t looked at how rats from other countries respond to Andes type. And how it interacts with other animals not in Argentina. Let’s say a rat in China or Spain gets infected by this Andes type from a patient’s feces or urine. Then this rat mixes it up with other rats that have other hantavirus types. Then a bat or bird gets some of the virus via blood or droppings or carrion. Then that spreads in some weird unexpected way. Sure it’s all far fetched. But HIV and Covid-19 also had strange origins.

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Zzzzyxas 21 hr ago +7

But the transmision window is MUCH shorter

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Omatzus 21 hr ago +14

But the incubation period is MUCH longer, so people will not quarantine

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Zzzzyxas 21 hr ago +8

If you are not contagious during incubation that's not really a factor I think

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TheMailerDaemonLives 21 hr ago +6

It’s looking to be a 48 hour window, potentially a mild fever in the 24 hour lead up to actually have other symptoms. In that 24 hours you can go out and spread it without really feeling sick enough to know you shouldn’t be out doing stuff

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Zzzzyxas 21 hr ago +1

Sure but how does the incubation time change that?

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TheMailerDaemonLives 20 hr ago +4

It doesn’t they just keep shifting the window because it was 24 hours and now they’re basically saying you can spread it in an entire other 24 hours that’s doubled the time in which it can move

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Omatzus 21 hr ago +11

Sure it is, because it's much harder to adhere to isolation protocol when the contagious window is harder to pinpoint and may be weeks after exposure. A longer incubation makes more people think they are safe when statistically some of them may not be.

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FrostingInfamous3445 19 hr ago +2

Even if this is true, it does nothing for the fact that it presents in a way that won’t prevent your co-worker from showing up sick because they think they don’t have anything serious.

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Sigg-0 8 hr ago +1

R0=2 is not the same as covid-19, it was similar to what covid was originally estimated to be. Further evaluation places the r0 of covid-19 in a range between 3.32 and 5.7, not very similar to this hantavirus at all. https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7073717/

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Protato900 23 hr ago +13

We won't know for weeks still due to the incubation time.

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Xirema 23 hr ago +47

We _already know_ the general characteristics of Hantavirus, and its substantially lower transmissibility compared to something like Coronavirus, and there's been no evidence that the infectiousness of this particular strain is more than a magnitude off from historical trends. So in a few weeks we'll understand the full spread of this outbreak, but there's still no real reason to think this incident will begin a new global pandemic.

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badasimo 21 hr ago +14

Yeah. I think the numbers are still manageable and not running away even though the breadth of how far it got is alarming. If there was no public health apparatus chasing this down, it could very well spread for a long time, to the point of even spreading to new rodent populations. So in that way it is scary, because left unchecked it could grow out of control.

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farttowel84 23 hr ago +19

This is what the media is ignoring. Out of 150 people on the cruise ship, 11 caught the virus. Hantavirus requires very close proximity for transmission and a ship is an amazing incubator, but even then there's a 7% transmission rate under ideal circumstances. Passing someone with Hantavirus at a store is far from sufficient for transmission. Even the variant that does transmit from human-to-human (the South American variant here) still requires prolonged close contact.

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10750274917395719 13 hr ago +7

11 people … so far. The incubation period is up to 8 weeks. I think we need to give it more time to see how far it actually spreads

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Lizrael48 11 hr ago +1

It is the strain that can infect humans who have close contact with other humans, so it is dangerous!

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Xirema 11 hr ago +1

The reason Hantavirus is dangerous is because it has a high mortality rate—somewhere between 25% to 60%, to my knowledge, depending on the quality of medical care and the preparedness of the local medical infrastructure. But infection requiring "close contact with other humans" (which, it should be noted, we still haven't fully confirmed these cases are the Andes Strain!) gives it "low transmissibility" in the context of deadly contagions. Like we're talking something that's a *fraction* of the transmissibility of viruses like the Coronavirus class of viruses (obviously what Covid-19 were strains of). That's the context where I'm saying there's no risk of this becoming a pandemic. The conditions for Hantavirus to have a >1 transmissibility factor ("ratio of people who will be infected by any specific prior infection, on average") are pretty specific—like, for example, a bunch of people crowded into a cruise ship—and not true of the general population.

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ThunderChaser 17 hr ago +7

Except we do. If it was super infectious Argentina would be grappling with a massive epidemic right now. The odds that some hyper-virulent variant of hantavirus mutated in an isolated incident on a cruise ship is effectively none.

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ILoveRegenHealth 14 hr ago +1

Your post will not age well. See the Epuyen case. If this isn't controlled in a major city, this will be far worse than the 2018 rural village case. No way "Major City = less controlled spread than tiny village"

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BelowMikeHawk 6 hr ago +1

The media sure hopes not

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Full_Lighter 17 hr ago +116

If this ends up in a global pandemic i will be pissed. They were all on a shipo in the middle of the ocean, couldnt they stay there till this was sorted? And dont start with "people were having panic attacks", its like 200 people vs 8 billion.

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-TheExtraMile- 15 hr ago +6

Look at the "positives", IF this spreads then normal people will do what they have to, we learned this a few years back. But a certain other group of people will resist common sense with all their might and rather inject goats milk into their taints or whatever else they will come up with this time. Let the chips fall where they may

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T_Peg 14 hr ago +32

Those chips are gonna fall on top of the normal people too. People are gonna lose their livelihoods, cost of living increases will go even further through the roof, and those certain people will endager those doing the right thing both maliciously and ignorantly.

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Better_Pickle_8719 8 hr ago +2

dude those people are gonna die forget losing your livelyhood ur gonna lose ur life

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theweirdball 20 hr ago +15

I don't envy the people responsible for cleaning that cruise.

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beebo12345678 20 hr ago +64

i read the incubation timeframe can be up zto 8 weeks, if i got hanta'd last week i might become symptomatic at a fourth of july party where u typically lick everyone and everything. This is bad.

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ProjectNo4090 20 hr ago +96

The hell kind of fourth of July parties are you going to?

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Simple-Dingo6721 18 hr ago +17

To be fair, watermelon, burgers, hot dogs, corn on cob, chips/dip, etc are all hand foods commonly prepared for July 4 festivities. Plus swimming or shooting guns or igniting fireworks or playing summer sports all involve yelling and spitting

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beebo12345678 14 hr ago +23

no my family and i all lick everyone

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Xan_derous 20 hr ago +37

2019 literally taught us nothing.

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chibiusa40 12 hr ago +9

It's worse than that. We've *unlearned*.

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polarwaves 23 hr ago +145

Honestly, even if this whole thing is overblown, can we all agree that maybe cruises shouldn’t be a thing anymore? Not only for this reason but they also suck for the environment too

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katie4 21 hr ago +59

For contextualizing this, today I learned about the CDC's Vessel Sanitation Program, which requires cruise ships to report outbreaks and maintains a public database of all reported cases, which doesn’t exist for hotels, resorts, college dormitories, or restaurants, where the same viruses spread just as readily but without mandatory public reporting. So public health is *looking* for outbreaks, which make the news more, and there’s quite a bit of reporting bias going on. Norovirus for example, only 1% of cases come from cruise ships, it’s mostly nursing homes, followed by restaurants and schools. Just informational, I found it interesting. From YourLocalEpidemiologist’s substack post today.

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YungButDead 19 hr ago +7

That is very interesting thanks for sharing

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mcmonky 18 hr ago +2

I’m surprised this program wasn’t eliminated.

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undrtke316 17 hr ago +3

Bad news: https://futurism.com/health-medicine/cdc-cruise-ship-inspectors-hantavirus-outbreak

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Tribat_1 22 hr ago +44

They are really only moderately worse for the environment than regular vacation travel per capita.

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Goons2JAV 21 hr ago +43

Why is everyone on the internet so over dramatic?

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bumpy_santa 21 hr ago +20

It’s always black and white with these people lol

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illegible 22 hr ago +31

Once that’s done we could also cancel all inclusive resorts, concert venues, and public transportation!

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Four_beastlings 21 hr ago +21

Let's not forget sports events, conventions, weddings and country fairs

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logicalnutty 20 hr ago +7

Then cancel all flights trains and busses

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Pharnox-32 18 hr ago +4

Why stop there? Cancel Cities and spread out equally across the globe

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vitaminz1990 18 hr ago +3

I think there are some people on this site that enjoy being along and isolated and they want everyone to be the same. Reduces the cognitive dissonance in their minds.

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muglater 16 hr ago +1

I truly pray listnook will wake up to the fact that the people who root for cancelation and isolation and try to impose it on everyone else are deeply sick and need to get help. Listnook is a cesspool of these people.

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vitaminz1990 18 hr ago +1

Yeah let’s just gut an entire global industry because Listnookors like to overreact.

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Comprehensive-Ad3016 5 hr ago +2

For real, I would really love to go on a cruiseship some time; especially some of those more party-heavy boats with clubs and bars onboard. Chilling by day, partying at night while meeting randoms from across the world and seeing different climates sound like a perfect way for me to spend a few days while on vacation. I really feel like some people just think "we should all just stay indoors all day and avoid contact with any other people"

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Riley-Bun 22 hr ago -8

The reality is that cruises are an affordable luxury vacation for lower income people. Having all entertainment, food, drinks, and travel all included makes it extremely appealing for lower income families.

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Bruvvimir 22 hr ago +27

Lower income? Peak Listnook 🤣

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ragnarlothbruv 22 hr ago +16

Still an investment that requires savings, but overall more affordable than international travel with fewer unexpected fees. It’s also more accessible to lower income, who in theory don’t travel as much. All of your expenses are essentially bundled in one place vs. having to scope out airlines, hotels/AirBnBs, transportation expenses (subway passes, train tickets, etc.) food, and excursions individually.

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Amedais 20 hr ago +12

Yes? You could book a 7 day cruise for like $500.

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Riley-Bun 22 hr ago +12

Not sure whats funny. These cruises advertise themselves at a very low rate per person and hide fees on the back end that you typically don't see until after purchasing. Credit card debt is also at an all time high, and many people finance their vacations on credit cards and don't think of the longterm effects. Do you think wealthy people are signing up to be on a crowded boat with tiny rooms?

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QuillnSofa 19 hr ago +7

Exploration cruises like this are usually a lot more expensive than normal cruises, but there are people that go on these as bucket list items, meaning they scrimp and save /just/ to do this. You find people from all walks of life on these types of cruises.

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Purplecatty 15 hr ago +1

I hope you dont travel anywhere, ever.

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scrapy_the_scrap 20 hr ago +22

Jesus f****** christ, no shit, everyone knew it was gonna happen Thye should have sent out some more supplies to the boat and quarantined it for 6 weeks

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Toltec22 23 hr ago +21

Anyone else thinking they should have been transferred to a quarantine ship for six weeks instead of flown all over the world? Screw "humanitarian" reasons they were on a cruise anyway

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gardenawe 22 hr ago +15

so the people who aren't infected yet can definitely get it ? The best way to deal with it is to get them off the ship and separate them from each other. This way people already infected can't infect anyone else.

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Life-You5073 20 hr ago +12

Right, but at least on the ship there would have been forced quarantining. Many of the people that were on the ship are just "monitoring" their own conditions and likely wandering out into the world rather than quarantining of their own voliton

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Mozart33 7 hr ago +2

I understand why people keep saying this, but wouldn’t we have to keep them all on the boat for a really long time or wait until every single person caught the virus and made it out alive or dead? Because there would be overlap. Like we can’t just wait the initial incubation period—the second phase people could’ve infected their neighbor / a crew member a day or two later, another one a few days after that…right? Then the quarantine period needs to restart every time a new person contracts it, which we don’t know of until a few days later (during which time, they infect more people).

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Riley-Bun 23 hr ago +44

The coverage on this is so overblown.

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hpxb 23 hr ago +73

I'm on the fence. I very much thought this was overblown initially, as I, believe it or not, tend to be extremely level-headed. However, the more I read the actual commentary from WHO and experts in the relevant fields, the more it actually seems to be that they are acknowledging 1) they don't know much about how contagious this strain is because it is under-researched and 2) this does have the capacity to be a pandemic, but they hope it won't escalate to that point based on the previous data they have, which they simultaneously acknowledge is insufficient. Consequently, they've declared a level 3 emergency, which people will be quick to say means they aren't very concerned. But, again, when you read what the experts are actually saying, they are clear that they are concerned and that any spread or unique behavior of the virus, which they believe is possible, will dramatically change their estimates of risk/emergency. They are basically saying we don't have enough data to say we are concerned yet, but we are concerned, and more data will change the messaging very quickly. This is almost exactly how COVID started, and that's what concerns me, especially given the high lethality of hantavirus compared to COVID. This seems to have the ingredients for an actual global event, but I'm very, very open to intelligent reassurance. I will be honest. At this point, I personally believe we are en route to a similar, COVID-level pandemic, and that the messaging will shift dramatically over the next week to two weeks. This is how COVID started. I deeply hope I am wrong and will be very happy to eat crow.

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Thurak0 22 hr ago +28

> They are basically saying we don't have enough data to say we are concerned yet, but we are concerned, and more data will change the messaging very quickly. I am hoping that the messaging won't need to change. I am just annoyed - a lot - that quarantine was not enforced way sooner, just to be on the safe side. It was on a ship. Theoretically a dream scenario to contain the outbreak.

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Mountainenthusiast2 20 hr ago +19

Agreed. I read today too that even after the first deaths, a lady presented to the medic onboard with flu like symptoms who dismissed it as anxiety. She’s now on hospital with confirmed hantavirus. What the f*** was this medical team onboard doing?!

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QuaccDaddy 22 hr ago +34

Yes, this is similar to COVID in a few ways, but they knew from the start that COVID was very contagious because it was a variant of SARS. The difference is that COVID started in China, which was actively lying and suppressing evidence of the infection. This Hantavirus strain is being monitored by several countries working together without any motivation to hide it. COVID: China denying it, while doctors, scientists, reporters, and other governments blowing the whistle. Hantavirus: scientists, doctors, and several government health organizations saying it won't spread but taking extra precautions anyway. News and social media blow the whistle. Also for every event like COVID that goes global, there's literally hundreds that don't spread and you never hear about it.

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vilkazz 21 hr ago +9

dont worry, covid has spawned us a significant contingent of illness deniers headed by an orange dude that treats bleach and horse worm drugs as panacea for most things.

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hpxb 22 hr ago +7

I do agree with this analysis that the virus is being approached differently, which should/could help greatly. I would feel more comfortable, weirdly enough, with that messaging, rather than WHO saying there is no reason for concern. THERE IS REASON FOR CONCERN, but they are handling it as such. I suppose I take issue with acting like this is an abundance of caution. It isn't. Handling this via biocontainment units IS protocol here because of how dangerous this actually is. When they say that the risk is low, they discredit themselves.

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knightsofgel 23 hr ago +9

The viruses are fundamentally different

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hpxb 21 hr ago +1

How so? Any positive differences seem to be offset by the wildly long incubation period of the hantavirus, which is extremely problematic.

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Open_Hand5654 10 hr ago +3

Uh am I crazy or hasn't it been said multiple times that it isn't contagious for a vast majority of the incubator period

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sugaratc 14 hr ago +3

It feels like something that could end up like measles or bird flu, with local outbreaks and higher fatalities, but not something that's going to cause global shutdowns like covid. But it depends how man other cases pop up in the next few weeks or from beyond the passengers. There's definitely been several points of exposure but it seems too early to see how many people actually get it.

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AllDarkWater 9 hr ago +1

We will have to have people visibly dieing in the streets before we shilut down again. Even then there will be states that never even attempt it.

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WittyTiger7 8 hr ago +1

Feeling the same. Very eerie similarities.

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Boycat89 20 hr ago +1

Level 1 is actually the all hands on deck signal, level 3 is the lowest level of activation. Also WHO has classified this as a multi-country cluster with low risk globally. From what I’ve read, scientists know a lot about the virus like how it makes people very sick very fast which impacts transmission. I don’t think they are “guessing” but already have a playbook for this.

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hpxb 19 hr ago +4

Everything I'm reading is that the level 3 is based on data. They have very little data and we are early in the incubation period, so it has to be a level 3 because we aren't in the third wave of the viral transmission (we are in the second wave). That is not actually a representation of long-term risk, but simply an indication that our concerns haven't yet come to fruition. Once we hit the third wave, where people are testing positive who did not have contact with the first wave, then we are at the next stage, and likely the level will be shifted to the second level. That will likely happen around May 19th, just based on the timeline of the virus and the incubation period. We are so wildly far from being out of the woods with this virus, it is mind-blowing that the messaging center around low risk.

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Boycat89 14 hr ago +1

CDC Level 3 is the LOWEST level. From what I'm [reading](https://www.cbsnews.com/atlanta/news/cdc-activates-level-3-emergency-response-hantavirus-outbreak-mv-hondius/#:~:text=That's%20the%20lowest%20level%20of,at%20the%20Emergency%20Activation%20Center), it's the "entry point" for activation. Meaning the CDC is working across divisions to track this virus. It seems like the CDC does not wait for a "third wave" to move to Level 2. They move to Level 2 when the workload is more than what a small team can handle. If the current cluster remains limited to the passengers and their direct contacts, the CDC can manage that at Level 3 indefinitely. I think you're confusing a coordinated response with emergency.

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Zoothera17 23 hr ago +9

Ok yes but also the public is freaking out because if folks/administrations took Covid seriously or is folks/administrations weren’t completely inept then their loved ones would still be alive, there wouldn’t be an entire generation of kids that had limited early life interactions, there would likely not be the financial issues we are experiencing today, and the US may not be in a free fall. I mean I get it.

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Riley-Bun 23 hr ago +9

I mean the spread of Covid was pretty much unavoidable. It was highly contagious and had mild sympoms.

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snowdayinjune 23 hr ago +4

Right? Prior to COVID, there’s no way we’d be getting 24 hour news surveillance on a virus that had infected 11 people, but pandemic fear sells now.

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ulchachan 23 hr ago +80

Are you very young? Because there's always been a bunch of coverage of swine flu/bird flu/ebola outbreaks.

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JustSatisfactory 23 hr ago +17

SARS outbreaks in China happened every couple of years too.

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KaiPRoberts 19 hr ago +5

And the ONE time Anthrax was a scare.

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snowdayinjune 23 hr ago +11

To be fair, swine flu was a pandemic. Avian flu has a genuinely high risk of becoming one. This does not.

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Horror_Post6822 23 hr ago +9

Yep, Remember the hysteria on Monkey Pox?

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OrangeSpaceMan5 21 hr ago +6

The monkey pox hysteria was much more muted than this thought

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EggandSpoon42 22 hr ago +5

I know ebola is mentioned right above - but the dude in dallas w ebola in 2014 (he died of it). Living in Austin, my friend crowd was reeling, refused to go out, families outside of texas calling us all worried and feeding into the frenzy. I taught a couple weekly yoga, and dance classes. When the reports of dallas ebola came out, the whole studio of teachers showed up to almost no students for that first week, maybe two. The studio owners held a staff/teacher meeting to try and figure it out since we all were 'pay check to paycheck', and didn't know how long it was going to hurt, but the owners, management, teachers, and many students were friends, some married, dating, or related each other, and it was hard to really slam anyone we loved for being overly cautious or scared, even when it's an overblown and/or absurd reaction. Anyway, core memory unlocked.

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ithinkitslupis 23 hr ago +4

This is literally someone who was on the cruise ship and already in quarantine testing positive...for a virus that's not even that infectious. Media and people having covid flashbacks are overblowing this when the consensus medical professional opinion just keeps repeating there's not a major cause for concern.

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ThatsItImOverThis 19 hr ago +5

The deja vu is killing me.

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Christ4DaChi 14 hr ago +6

fear mongering, slow news

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Lizrael48 11 hr ago +2

There will be more. They should have isolated all passengers on the ship!

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More-Dot346 20 hr ago +5

Don’t worry! Authorities are saying that it can only be spread by intimate contact. Although apparently intimate contact includes a guy hanging out at a party for 90 minutes and infected most of the people at the party several feet away.

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AllDarkWater 9 hr ago +2

Either I don't know what intimate contact is, or I don't know what people do on cruises, or both. Clearly there's some disconnect happening. This feels like when they said that masks don't work so we have to save them for the medical community. It hurts my brain.

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SimplerTimesAhead 8 hr ago +1

how many people were at the party

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Additional_Run_4214 1 day ago +11

An outbreak of 11 people being quarantined for a known virus that doesn't spread particularly easily is giving you flashbacks to a global pandemic with a virus nobody knew anything about that spread like wildfire between people still going about their daily lives?

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ImpossibleBet1988 1 day ago +2

Who declared it may not require long prolonged contact.

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Tall_Candidate_8088 1 day ago +3

Only around 300 cases of Andes ever, so in reality it's not really well known. The academic paper form the 2018 outbreak had a high R0 number. So it's not like covid but it's definitely a precarious scenario. I doubt there's any room for complacency.

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Additional_Run_4214 1 day ago +1

There is an international quarantine of all exposed individuals. So yes, I think the average listnook user can be complacent, unless they happen to head a major health organization.

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Tall_Candidate_8088 21 hr ago +1

You're right but it's worth acknowledging the average listnook user is a paid actor bot running an influence campaign. Let's hope the heads of the major health orgs are up to the task.

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Horror_Post6822 1 day ago +1

Guy must miss his Daily 8 hour Animal Crossing sessions. I am getting flashbacks to Monkey Pox and Nonovirus and the hysteria

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ayymadd 1 day ago +13

**Why were they even evacuated in the first place?** Quarantine that \*\*\*\* from the get go and gg, cost/benefit analysis should be off the charts in favour of doing so.

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veryangryenglishman 23 hr ago +32

>The passenger with the new confirmed case of hantavirus was in quarantine in a military hospital in Madrid

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NotAnotherEmpire 23 hr ago +13

The Spanish were evacuated to military quarantine. That's where this one tested positive.

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QuillnSofa 1 day ago +15

A: Humanitarian reasons, it cannot be treated on the ship itself very well. B: So they can study this particular strain further and how to prevent it spreading C: Hantavirus is typically not extremely contagious like COVID D: Until there is a case that wasn't a passenger you shouldn't really worry about it.

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Toltec22 23 hr ago +1

They were on a cruise anyway it's not cruel at all to keep them on a ship for a few more weeks. Humanitarian reasons? They should have been transferred to a quarantine ship for study

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Manos_Of_Fate 23 hr ago +21

> They were on a cruise anyway it's not cruel at all to keep them on a ship for a few more weeks. It is if they die due to lack of adequate medical care.

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scyice 22 hr ago +3

HPS treatment requires immediate intensive care as respiratory failure can onset rapidly.

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totalwarwiser 17 hr ago +4

Yeah, lets not panic, its not like we had something similar 6 years ago where people didnt panic enough.

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lonestar659 22 hr ago +8

Not sure 11 is an outbreak but okay

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hpxb 23 hr ago +5

Yeah, it's pretty obvious that this has all the makings of a very concerning, pandemic-level event. Like COVID, the messaging from public health officials in the beginning, if you actually read what they are saying instead of the headlines, is clear that they do not actually know what is going on and where this is going to go. This strain is under-researched and, if you read the research, they genuinely do not know how contagious it is. What they do know is that it is far more fatal than COVID (50% fatality rate). Public health officials also acknowledge they are incentivized, regardless of reality, to persuade people not to panic. I was very level-headed about this at the beginning, but the more I actually read interviews with real experts, it grows more and more concerning.

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svbstvnce 18 hr ago +7

Covid PTSD is real

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hpxb 18 hr ago +1

Please expand. What makes my stance irrational?

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rnells 17 hr ago +5

For one, you seem to be hyperfocusing on a long incubation time implying difficulties with contact tracing/covert spread while not understanding/acknowledging that a long incubation time also means much slower spread than covid even assuming (and this assumption seems _extremely unlikely_) the reproductive number per generation is similar. Thus meaning relative to Covid - exponentially fewer people affected in any near-term timeframe and also much larger windows for interventions like tracing, localized protocols etc to work.

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AllDarkWater 9 hr ago +1

I am afraid that we have proven that given more time we will still not do better. We have less ability to track and travel than we did before COVID and many people are already calling it a hoax, saying they will never vaccinate, and recommending ivermectin. What I have not heard yet was which immigrants should be blamed for being dirty and trying to kill everyone (with the hoax). We just have to wait now to see how many of the people with the current infections die and how many people they spread it to during the super long incubation. The combination of not knowing how it spreads, but at the same time being told it takes close contact, and at the same time being told how many people got it from one old guy, is very unsettling.

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scyice 22 hr ago +9

11 cases is not a very concerning pandemic level event.

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TheMailerDaemonLives 20 hr ago +6

In the video posted above he is mildly concerned that that one patient zero was able to spread it to 9 other people

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725Cali 20 hr ago +4

No thank you. He's known for spreading COVID misinformation.

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hpxb 20 hr ago +1

Oh. How so? Would not guess that based on his analysis here. He's actually downplaying severity...

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hpxb 21 hr ago +1

Thank you! Watching now.

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725Cali 20 hr ago +3

The guy in the video is known for spreading COVID misinformation.

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Opposite_Strategy374 21 hr ago +1

I like how he writes dates and sequences for exposure. I mean given the folks on the flights prior to when they knew they were exposed on ship and the 12 health care workers who are now being monitored for exposure after incorrectly handling a symptomatic patient... ugh we're not outta the woods. But John helps put things in factual perspective. Lol

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Rohit_Rah 20 hr ago +3

Holy so much fear mongering in here, this is not the next Covid situation yall

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Shoot_from_the_Quip 10 hr ago +2

Not like they could have moored the ship and kept them in, oh, f****** quarantine. How hard would it have been to send food and supplies onboard along with medical team to check on them? Seriously? It's got a ridiculous death rate and this version is transmissible human to human. I swear, we're living in the dumbest f****** timeline.

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PepeSylvia11 14 hr ago +1

This thing is spreading so slowly lmao. Why is this news?

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Diseased-Jackass 23 hr ago +1

Maybe there was like a floating hotel you could quarantine them on. Maybe…

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NoClock 19 hr ago +4

The 24 hour news cycle is so desperate for this to be a thing. Journalism is dead.

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igloomaster 8 hr ago +1

Good thing all the countries in the world are funding WHO right?

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Outrageous-Okra-9433 6 hr ago +1

the worst part is having once more to hear an incompetent teddy bear tell us about how many new gayziz there are

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DoNotDareToBanMe 21 hr ago +2

Good thing it doesn't transmit from human to human, right?

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IAmRules 14 hr ago +1

At this point I trust no government to handle anything

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OddCryptographer5275 21 hr ago -1

Just stop testing! Then no one will have it!

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