it was symptoms like coughing. the flight attendant who was quarantined for symptoms consistent with hantavirus [has tested negative for the virus](https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/klm-flight-attendant-tested-negative-hantavirus-infection-who-says-2026-05-08/)
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Only--East5 days ago
+1415
Yeah I'm skeptical that she actually has hanta but I'm glad they're staying on top of it.
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BigBoyYuyuh5 days ago
+870
We need the rest of the world to because all you’re gonna get out of the US is calling it fake, to drink raw milk, and to do pushups in jeans.
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Naskeli5 days ago
+531
US right wingers are contrarians. If WHO says that this isn't a big deal then they will start a conspiracy about how this will kill us all and the WHO is lying. If WHO says its a big deal then they will say its a fake virus.
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binzoma5 days ago
+154
this
expecting logical consistency with that group is.... yeah they legit dont even know what that phrase means
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Wiseduck55 days ago
+45
>If WHO says that this isn't a big deal then they will start a conspiracy about how this will kill us all and the WHO is lying.
Which is exactly what Alex Jones et al. were saying early in 2020 when it was largely contained to China.
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Gaucho_Diaz4 days ago
+3
They love fear-mongering until shit starts getting ever so slightly inconvenient for them
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jayRIOT5 days ago
+65
It’s already started. Some of the MAGA mouthpieces are already starting to mention taking Ivermectin again because it prevents you from catching hantavirus and all the other stupid shit that they said during COVID.
I hate it here.
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Umitencho4 days ago
+27
>US is calling it fake,
Yep, seeing this on tiktok right now, and from people who should know better. Denial is not an effective strategy to stop spread. Reminds me of the people accusing medical staff of killing or doing something negative to them while they suffered/died from covid.
Morons.
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Lonewuhf4 days ago
+5
The medical staff OBVIOUSLY did something that countered the effectiveness of the Ivermectin they took because the doctors were woke, socialist, communist jerks.
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hatecirclejerks4 days ago
+4
Honestly, its a lot more deadly, so its a self solving problem at some point.
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Jkabaseball5 days ago
+36
With 30-40% mortality, I would hope at some point the US would do something, but it wouls probably be too late anyways. I just did a Sams club run for TP just in case.
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Facebookakke5 days ago
+16
Bidets at Costco are $60, just saying… picking one up for the downstairs loo now
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Distinct_Cap_14184 days ago
+7
Make sure you get one with a hot water attachment!
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Ognius5 days ago
+54
I mean they keep voting for a pedophile with a public platform of “I will destroy America.” Why would you think he’d do anything about a disease that could destroy America if left unchecked?
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Crafty_Fan_62025 days ago
+6
Fired everyone who knew what the f*** to do.
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TippinThalnos4 days ago
+2
Yea they did so good with monkeypox
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jykke5 days ago
+18
And eat raccoon penises
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Hootbag5 days ago
+5
Hey...who said you need a deadly viral outbreak to crave some raccoon dong?
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Photo-704 days ago
+3
don't forget the bleach
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Vitalalternate5 days ago
+7
Don't forget piles of invermectin
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Radiant-Plant-44144 days ago
+5
Literally! I've already been seeing these people say "if they push for a vaccine DO NOT GET IT" like honestly I hate to say it but let natural selection do it's thing this time around.
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meistermichi5 days ago
+2
Not with RFK on the helm, he's the best man for the job!!!!1111
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keep_it_irie4 days ago
+2
Jeans tucked into combat boots.
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G00b3rb0y4 days ago
+2
This is as good of an excuse to ban travel to the United States
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0vrwhelminglyaverage4 days ago
+2
Oof
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NiceTryAmanda5 days ago
+12
grateful for public health workers and communicators. I worry about people working themselves up/feeling doomed and then burning out before the evidence supports changing behaviors
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[deleted]5 days ago
+19
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User-no-relation5 days ago
+141
>The woman has "mild respiratory symptoms"
exactly. which yes is consistent with hanta virus. but also a lot of other things.
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Show-Me-Your-Moves5 days ago
+46
We can expect a flood of articles like this in the next few days since tons of people are going to click on them.
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ntsp005 days ago
+33
From the 2018 outbreak, 100% of cases developed fever in the prodromal phase - when the infection transitions from incubation to full onset and the infected first become symptomatic. So that's what I'm waiting for, though we'll probably get test results before we hear of any other symptoms. This virus moves rapidly once incubation is over, but I believe the flight attendant's test results were released within a day.
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2009040
(scroll to Table 2 under 'Clinical Characteristics' for symptoms amongst patients)
Edit: To clarify for people replying with quips about fever, so far this patient doesn't have fever. In the 2018 outbreak, 100% of the cases developed fever. So we can speculate this is a sign the patient **isn't** infected. Of course if they do start to have a fever that doesn't automatically mean they're infected with hantavirus.
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hungariannastyboy5 days ago
+6
Wait, let me get this straight. You are waiting for ... fever? Which is a symptom, of, at a guess, a majority of more significant viral infections?
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ntsp005 days ago
+17
When this virus has a 100% rate of fever and we're speculating whether someone that was on the same flight of a confirmed positive might be infected - yes? Sorry that's confusing to you?
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TotoCocoAndBeaks4 days ago
+14
The 100% doesn’t make a fever more useful in diagnosing the specific virus. That is u/hungariannastyboy point
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SYLOH4 days ago
+5
But the 100% fever chance can be used to disprove Hantavirus.
IE this person does not have a fever, therefore this person cannot have Hantavirus.
If the person develops a fever, it may or may not be Hantavirus, but if the person doesn't get a fever we can all breathe a sigh of relief as the person just caught something else by chance.
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Waterwoo4 days ago
+5
We have extremely sensitive molecular testing that can detect viral dna/rna in tiny quantities. Measuring temperature at this point is mostly just to see if a fever needs to be managed for patient comfort.
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ExpeditionZero5 days ago
+40
Wrong person. The link you provide is for a KLM Flight Attendant who was admitted to a hospital in Amsterdam on Thursday with signs of a possible infection. While this post is about a passenger from southeastern Spanish province of Alicante. In both cases they were on the flight of the women who died in Johannesburg.
Edit: Just realise the original comment was about the flight attendant, but having the link that focused on testing negative, made it seem that it was about the women in the story.
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Keenalie5 days ago
+46
I think they're saying that this Spanish woman could also just have a cold like the flight attendant who was suspected, tested, and cleared.
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ExpeditionZero5 days ago
+6
You are right, I misread the original comment, though I feel it could have been clearer.
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SomethingComesHere5 days ago
+4
Where does it say the flight attendant was cleared? With an incubation period of 8 weeks it's too early for her to be cleared. She was exposed around 1.5 weeks ago
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exhibitprogram4 days ago
+6
Blood test is supposed to show infection before any onset of symptoms.
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SomethingComesHere4 days ago
+5
It didn't (at first) in the couple that died
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Four_beastlings4 days ago
+2
Do you have any source that they were tested for hantavirus before they had any symptoms? That doesn't make any sense, why would you test someone who isn't sick for a rare disease?
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Sarah_Ps_Slopy_V4 days ago
+5
It depends on viral load. There is loss when extracting RNA and reverse transcribing. RNA is very delicate.
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Palomino_mare4 days ago
+3
It means her current respiratory illness is not Hantavirus.
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Spare-Event80604 days ago
+3
Yes, I doubt the KLM flight attendant has been ‘cleared’. We don’t know how sensitive the hantavirus test used is. I suspect she is still in isolation, and will have further testing done (for hantavirus and other viral infections). These further tests could subsequently prove positive for hantavirus - or may remain negative.
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ak43385 days ago
+48
Coughing is not a usual symptom of it unless it's a new symptom that's evolved recently
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SanDiedo5 days ago
+28
"Hantaviruses are sorted into Old World hantaviruses (OWHVs), which typically cause hemorrhagic fever with renal syndrome (HFRS) in Africa, Asia, and Europe, and New World hantaviruses (NWHVs) which are associated with hantavirus pulmonary syndrome (HPS) in the Americas. The case fatality rate of HFRS ranges from less than 1% to 15%, while for HPS it is 30–60%".
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BeatNo45484 days ago
+5
When there was a big outbreak in occupied Ukraine last year, many Russian soldiers got "mouse fever," but didn't die from heart attacks. It was the HFRS not HPS. A few died from renal failure, but the rest recovered.
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squirrelpickle5 days ago
+64
I played enough Plague, Inc. to be wary of this type of thing.
Next thing you know the virus evolves the symptoms to include sneezing and diarrhea because of the achievement.
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ImaginaryCheetah5 days ago
+50
> sneezing and diarrhea
that's a wicked combo
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ouroborosity5 days ago
+42
Ah-POO
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goingfullretard-orig4 days ago
+4
Gesund-shite!
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thefunkybassist5 days ago
+12
especially with Projectile Vomiting ccmbo
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ImaginaryCheetah5 days ago
+5
the original definition of "riding the rainbow"
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Kale5 days ago
+3
In the game Plague Inc, it's an achievement called "Uh oh" or "oops" or something like that.
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Nichoros_Strategy5 days ago
+3
Imagine the toilet paper hoarding
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HagbardCelineHMSH5 days ago
+22
I loved that game, but I could never bring myself to play it again after the actual pandemic hit.
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gintas595 days ago
+10
It added a gamemode where you try to cure the world, right?
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HagbardCelineHMSH5 days ago
+6
It did but I never actually got around to playing that.
It was a great game though.
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w00d1s5 days ago
+14
Don't forget - straight to total organ failure after whole world is infected.
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ak43385 days ago
+2
Diarrhea is already a symptom of this virus so it's halfway there lol
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SomethingComesHere5 days ago
+10
HPS is a known complication that would cause coughing. And has a higher death rate; i think it's feasible that the SA woman who died developed that complication. Time will tell
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SafeImpressive44135 days ago
+24
It’s a compatible symptom according to the Spanish ministry of Health
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arobkinca5 days ago
+3
https://www.cdc.gov/hantavirus/about/andesvirus.html
It is on the CDC's list of symptoms.
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SomethingComesHere5 days ago
+26
She is currently testing negative
With an incubation period of 8 weeks, she will need to be followed until that time. It's only at the end of the incubation period that a negative test means she's in the clear. She's currently at 1.5 weeks
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SubterraneanAlien5 days ago
+9
If symptoms are showing, the incubation period has been completed unless she's incredibly unlucky to have both a cold/flu *and* hantavirus in the incubation period
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SomethingComesHere5 days ago
+13
It's absolutely possible to have a common cold/flu and then also get infected with something else. In fact, it would lower her body's defences and make her more likely to contract HV than a healthy individual.
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EverNeko2004 days ago
+6
Watch it be covid... [Bustin' through the wall](https://i.imgur.com/2IjURAA.png) to remind you "I'm still here! :D"
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[deleted]5 days ago
+7
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the_honest_liar5 days ago
+6
They're saying the case everyone was worried about yesterday (Amsterdam) ended up being nothing. This one will probably be the same.
Hantavirus symptoms are very generic and basically the same as all respiratory viruses. Much more likely people are getting the cold/flu/COVID.
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kumogate5 days ago
+2
That's such a relief. I bet she was tremendously happy to get that negative result back!
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PepeSylvia115 days ago
+2
Yet that news spread like wildfire. Unbelievable. Maybe let’s wait before reporting on something before it’s actually verified.
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SilverFox65 days ago
+658
Suspected. Wait until the test results are in before drawing conclusions. The flight attendant was tested negative as well.
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SomethingComesHere5 days ago
+198
She's tested negative so far
With an incubation period of 8 weeks and her exposure only 1.5 weeks ago, she's not in the clear yet
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fighter-bomber5 days ago
+162
But that’s exactly the issue. The reason they were suspected to have it in the first place is because they already started showing respiratory symptoms. Meaning, if they had it, the incubation period would have been over.
So you’re basically saying the incubation isn’t over yet. That would mean their current symptoms are not hantavirus, meaning, there is no reason to throw a “suspected hantavirus” case based on their symptoms.
You can quarantine them based on them being on the same flight. But it means we have nothing that shows they have it, so not a particular need to be worried.
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FlyingDreamWhale674 days ago
+12
Wouldn't the test they use be able to detect Hantavirus even though it's still incubating? It's not like the virus appears out of thin air once you're symptomatic, it's still in your body before that.
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Kazimierz_IV4 days ago
+8
Enough of the virus has to accumulate to be detectable. There are usually limits of detection for things like PCR tests (e.g. you need x number of copies of the DNA present per milliliter in a sample to be able to generate a positive result) so if there isn't enough present in your mucus/phlegm etc they won't be able to pick it up. During the initial infection, there's a lag before the virus starts to replicate, and once it does it will often remain inside of the infected cells (typically undetectable). Once the cells start to rupture and the virus is released, it's much more likely to be detected. This coincides with symptoms appearing.
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BlueBoxGamer4 days ago
+15
There’s no guarantee one way or the other, but PCR and ELISA tests require a certain amount of target to be present initially in order to show a statistically significant result. When you make them more sensitive, you also make them more likely to give a false positive, and less sensitive is more likely to false negative.
To add to that point, it’s been documented that individuals can test negative up to a week before developing symptoms. Pretty scary stuff for an 8 week incubation period. Just because it’s in your body doesn’t mean it’s dissolved in your blood, it’s a tissue associated virus.
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fighter-bomber4 days ago
+4
I would think so, yes, but I don’t know enough about this to confirm that.
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aaaaaaaarrrrrgh4 days ago
+2
Did the COVID tests do that? (No)
There needs to be a sufficient concentration of virus for the test to detect it.
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SomethingComesHere5 days ago
+25
You can have two illnesses at once. She could have the common cold, caught during an earlier flight, and still be incubating Andes HV.
She is not in the clear until she tests negative at the end of the incubation period
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kyzeeman5 days ago
+56
But this is a silly theory because the only reason she was suspected was she had symptoms as Hanta doesn’t usually have community transmission, if it did everyone on that plane and everyone who the person had contact with would also be suspected of having the virus.
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handsomeal-024 days ago
+22
Let him f****** fearmonger
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kyzeeman4 days ago
+17
So many listnookors just want the world to go back to Covid
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handsomeal-024 days ago
+10
For real. This is Ebola, chicken flu 2.0, monkeypox, smallpox revival all over again
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fighter-bomber4 days ago
+11
The point is there is no need for us to spread fear about it for now, as there is nothing pointing to her having it.
That’s the issue, people read these articles and get scared because “oh my the virus is here already”. Well, I’m saying you can relax about it because there is nothing pointing out to that for now. Be careful, sure, but no need to fearmonger.
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SafeImpressive44135 days ago
+441
>A 32-year-old woman in the southeastern Spanish province of Alicante has symptoms consistent with a hantavirus infection and is being tested, Spanish health officials said on Friday.
>The woman was a passenger on the same flight as a patient who died in Johannesburg after travelling on the MV Hondius cruise ship and contracting the virus, Secretary of State for Health Javier Padilla told reporters
>Authorities have identified the Andes strain of hantavirus on the ship, a version that can spread from human to human in rare cases, typically only after close contact.
>The woman has "mild respiratory symptoms" and is being transferred to a hospital in the city of Alicante where she will be tested for the virus, with results expected 24 to 48 hours later, according to a statement on the regional health department's website.
>Padilla said the woman, a resident of Alicante in the Valencia region, was sitting two rows behind the cruise ship passenger, but the contact between them "was brief" since the passenger had only been "on board for a short time" during the flight.
>Padilla added that Valencia's regional health authorities were tracing the people the woman has been in contact with over the past few days.
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HasGreatVocabulary5 days ago
+706
tbh if I found out I'd been sitting on a plane two rows behind one of the people on the ship, I'd start thinking I have it even if I didn't
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Kaffe-Mumriken5 days ago
+341
Hell, I’m thinking it from just reading all the news
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jahcob155 days ago
+108
I swept my garage the other day. No signs of mouse droppings or anything, and I live in Arkansas where it’s very low risk.. but after the news these past few days I’m saying my final goodbyes.
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PlaneXpress695 days ago
+19
Goodbye!
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Kaffe-Mumriken5 days ago
+35
I went to Lowe’s and opened a box of hvac pipes and it was all dusty. Pray for me.
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radmad55664 days ago
+2
We had a mouse sneak into our garage and then crawl space last year and I live in a state with one of the highest hantavirus cases. When I went to dispose of him I was only wearing gloves and I panicked thinking I would get it. Longest 8 weeks of my life.
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randomname7485 days ago
+12
I'm going on a cruise in a few weeks, I think I already died from it.
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The_Earls_Renegade4 days ago
+4
The act of pre-dying, now I've seen everything. 😆
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Swent_SW4 days ago
+11
I saw the woman get taken off the plane. Got an email saying I shouldn't worry. Which is consequently making me worry...
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HabaneroEyeDropes4 days ago
+2
Moomin!
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obeytheturtles5 days ago
+48
For the first two years of covid, basically any time it got brought up, I'd get psychosomatic sniffles.
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Welshgirlie25 days ago
+3
I wonder how many psychosomatic cases we will see in the next few weeks?
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Plus_Strength_99425 days ago
+3
Me too lol
That’s a hell of a nocebo
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VideoGenie5 days ago
+128
I 100% respect the precaution, but man, I can't name a time I didn't cough and have "general malaise" after a flight.
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OneTravellingMcDs5 days ago
+74
Wear a mask. I've been wearing them on flights since 2010. It helps a lot.
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UnknownFiddler5 days ago
+18
Yep, used to get sick almost every trip precovid. Been fine since then because I mask up at the airport and on the plane.
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RadiantTurtle5 days ago
+13
Recently took two 10 hour trips to a gaming convention and a theme park filled with coughing kids. Partner and I wore masks the entire time and we came out unscathed. Funny enough, my friends who didn't caught a flu. It's almost like the science works!
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chucknorris101015 days ago
+5
I’m sure you mean generally but the main point of exposure is likely in the checkin and security lines more so than on the plane itself unless actively coughed on by your seat neighbor, so just wearing the mask on the plane will still get ya sick
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sjp19804 days ago
+2
I haven't been on an international flight in years where I didnt get sick afterwards. Recently one flight sounded like a bloody tuberculosis ward from the 1920s. What i imagine they sounded like at least.
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JAWinks5 days ago
+5
You probably should bring some Clorox wipes or something with you to wipe that shit down before you sit
5
McGirton5 days ago
+240
Okay, somebody gotta make a live case tracker map like in when covid started and it was just a few cases.
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chaser6764 days ago
+65
It's going to be an extremely disappointing map
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RagefireHype4 days ago
+136
Isn’t that what we want? I certainly don’t want another pandemic.
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chaser6764 days ago
+32
>Isn’t that what we want?
If you look through any of the threads on this, the answer is almost emphatically no. It's a repeat of 2014 Ebola listnook.
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Severe_Ad_64824 days ago
+14
I wasn't on listnook in 2014 but I remember the Ebola "scare" so well lol. Bunch of middle schoolers playing tag and when you're it you get ebola.
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_shear4 days ago
+4
what was it like?
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unKappa4 days ago
+13
And everyone was saying how Covid was nothing and nothing was ever going to shutdown and yet a week later everything went down
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theswoledentist4 days ago
+4
hantavirusmap.com
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No_Conversation_93255 days ago
+135
Suspected! Let's wait till test are done.
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SomethingComesHere5 days ago
+25
Incubation period is 8 weeks. We will be waiting a while
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EchtGeenSpanjool5 days ago
+24
_up to_ 8 weeks is what is known for now. If the flight attendant - who is symptomatic - were to be sick from hantavirus that would mean the incubation period is over.
You are right in saying she could still get sick from this hantavirus, but it is not what she is sick from right now. And until she has complaints _and_ tests positive, there is no more reason to believe she has hantavirus than other at-risk passengers on the flight.
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SomethingComesHere5 days ago
+8
Agreed. She may have had the common cold or flu, which isnt uncommon for people with high-contact jobs like hers. Only after the incubation period is a negative test going to rule out infection of HV.
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Michoffkoch875 days ago
+9
That's not necessarily how it works. The incubation period is the length of time it takes for the viral load to build up to the point where the patient has symptoms. It doesnt mean that theres no detectable virus in the person, and then 8 weeks pass and on day 57, bam, virus appears.
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No_Conversation_93255 days ago
+3
Took 2 days to hear about the KLM flight attendant
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SomethingComesHere5 days ago
+7
Again, its too early for her to be cleared because her exposure was 1.5 weeks ago. Like covid, a negative test during the incubation period is not a guaranteed negative. It just means "negative for now". Once the incubation period is over, they're still not symptomatic, and tests are still coming back negative, then shes in the clear.
Incubation means its essentially dormant in the body as it prepares to attack your immune system. Until it has incubated, tests cannot detect it.
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Former-Roman5 days ago
+6
It's not dormant though, she was having symptoms
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SomethingComesHere5 days ago
+5
You can have two illnesses at once. Its possible she already had a common cold (highly feasible given her occupation), causing symptoms that mirror early hantavirus symptoms.
She will not be in the clear until the incubation period is over
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JustARegularGuy5 days ago
+12
> She will not be in the clear until the incubation period is over
That's true for every person on the plane. If she has symptoms and didn't tested positive then she is not different than any other exposed person.
If anything she is less likely to have it than someone who was not tested at all.
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SomethingComesHere5 days ago
+3
She apparently physically assisted the infected woman off the plane so she had atypically high exposure.
But yes, technically all passengers on the plane should self monitor for symptoms until the incubation period is over.
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ghoonrhed4 days ago
+3
But what it means is that they no longer have to do any contact tracing on her and as long as she's in quarantine she won't be spreading the virus.
That's a lot fewer people now to deal with to have to track and quarantine unless they find out this new hantavirus strain spreads before symptoms and before positive PCR
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moviez0ne5 days ago
+27
Well, back to sourdough.
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sf-keto4 days ago
+6
It’s delicious! I’m game.
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rictay445 days ago
+75
They should never have let anybody off that ship. It should have been quarantined.
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Old_Boah4 days ago
+21
Well yeah but they didn’t know anyone had the virus at the time.
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Miss_L_Worldwide5 days ago
+50
Well everyone should have been taken off the ship into a quarantine facility so that people could get treatment and additional cases wouldn't arise.
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No-Inspector83154 days ago
+10
The primary problem was that this cruise ship was an Antarctic explorer type cruise that allowed people to to hop off at various legs based on where they wanted to end their journey I.e. a cheaper option would be getting off at port in Chile or Argentina rather than going off to Panama or the Canary Islands.
In future, I reckon cruise ships will have to be regulated to have one mandatory bump in and bump out port
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commissary_lugnut4 days ago
+24
Whether or not this ends up being a true case, the prevailing online discourse on this hantavirus stuff really highlights our society’s poor ability to respond to tail risks. I’m worried humanity can’t collectively solve problems unless they’re right in our face or it’s too late.
Aside from the ozone layer thing with CFCs/aerosols and Y2K, it feels like almost every other successful public health/safety project is a day late and a dollar short. Waiting a few weeks to start lockdowns, sending free COVID tests in the US once everyone already has access to testing, etc. I’m not advocating panic but maybe just a tad more caution, general preparedness, and skepticism in both directions in the public dialogue.
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According-Bet-1414 days ago
+18
There are actually two peope in two different hospitals: one woman in Catalonia aand another in Alicante. Both were in two flights with different people from the cruise. Both are reporting coughing as the only symptom. They are keeping isolated as a meassure of security, but it seems to be more of a preventive decission than real cases of Hantavirus (at least, for now).
Please don't spread fear, only verified information.
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OnceIWasKovic4 days ago
+10
Story: Person seated two rows behind infected woman that was briefly on the plane before takeoff has a cough and is being tested
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PistolPackingPastor5 days ago
+32
The media is really running wild with this hantavirus shit lol they know it'll rile people up and get them those sweet, sweet clicks.
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Stevesegallbladder4 days ago
+6
I agree it's crazy but you have people in this very thread that eat it right the f*** up and play their part and spreading fear.
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Twisbi5 days ago
+148
So this virus has a high mortality rate but can also incubate and spread for 8 weeks? That doesn’t sound like something that will burn itself out quickly.
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Only--East5 days ago
+179
It doesn't spread during the incubation period
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SomethingComesHere5 days ago
+15
As far as we know.
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rickestrickster5 days ago
+64
This virus has been around since the 90’s causing localized and regional outbreaks, they know. Unless it’s mutated significantly
This isn’t a covid-like concern, more like the Ebola outbreak in 2014. The virus doesn’t spread easily in crowds like Covid does
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ImSoMysticall4 days ago
+4
I may be wrong here but didnt they "know" that it only spreads through intimate/close contact? Then news comes out about 11 people dying after it was spread at a party via brief contact
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ntsp005 days ago
+9
We only exist as far as we know.
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MissMormie5 days ago
+97
It's also not a new virus. About 300 people a year get it and it so far has died out every time, mostly by itself because it's really not that contagious.
There's no reason (yet) to believe this will be any different except this time it were western people on a cruise that were affected, otherwise you wouldn't even hear about it.
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+7
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Keenalie5 days ago
+7
That's for hantavirus in general and almost all of those cases are people getting sick from rats/mice in their environment. Only one rare strain is capable of human to human transmission, which is the one that is causing the fuss. It's rare but well documented and isn't particularly good at spreading from person to person even though it is capable of it.
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Empty-Swim20665 days ago
+3
From what I've researched so far, it is typically from mouse contamination. Not human to human interaction.
These cases appear to be human to human. So big difference between the two.
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Straight-Balance8305 days ago
+5
The scary thing about viruses is that every new infection is a chance that it mutates.
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Y0uCanTellItsAnAspen5 days ago
+46
But the rate of (useful) mutuations is absurdly low - people are really bad at understanding how unlikely extremely rare things are
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Genkiotoko5 days ago
+33
That's a wild oversimplification. The choices of "chance" and "scary" implies that the virus has a higher probability to mutate into a more infectious form than it likely posseses. That's not exactly true nor accurate. Viruses mutate rapidly and regularly. It's why rhinovirus (common cold) and influenza have existed for so long.
Mutations are not necessarily always bad. Viruses typically mutate to spread rather than kill. It's why the later COVID-19 mutations were more virulent but less deadly, for example.
From the National Library of Medicine / NIH:
[Mutation. The word naturally conjures fears of unexpected and freakish changes. Ill-informed discussions of mutations thrive during virus outbreaks, including the ongoing spread of SARS-CoV-2. In reality, mutations are a natural part of the virus life cycle and rarely impact outbreaks dramatically.](https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7095397/)
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Kaffe-Mumriken5 days ago
+3
Supposedly this doesn’t mutate much. Supposedly
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No_Conversation_93255 days ago
+13
The virus has a relatively short period of transmission with a rate of 2.21. In cases of isolation it rapidly drops to 0.96. The biggest outbreak in 2018 in Argentina only cause 34 cases with 11 deceased and once tackled, died out pretty fast.
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flukus4 days ago
+2
>The virus has a relatively short period of transmission with a rate of 2.21
That's doubling every generation.
>In cases of isolation it rapidly drops to 0.96.
That's nearly self sustaining.
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BabyBearBjorns5 days ago
+27
Invest in a bidet
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PreciousFlounder5 days ago
+5
THIS. I cannot believe bidets have not caught on here in the US yet.
Changed my life and saves so much tp.
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PreliminaryThoughts5 days ago
+3
Also can we get gta6 so at least theres sth to do
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give_me_goats5 days ago
+20
I get mild sickness within 2 days almost any time I get on a plane. It happened enough times that I now mask up and sanitize my hands constantly when I fly. But my point is that there are always viruses circulating, and the transmission is amplified in close quarters like an airplane. She probably has something, but it’s unlikely to be hantavirus.
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Michoffkoch875 days ago
+5
"Check back every 5 to 10 seconds to drive up our traffic numbers... I mean stay up to date."
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moonhattan4 days ago
+5
People lowkey want another plague again
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RoCKSLAM5 days ago
+17
I swear at this point the media is so starved of anything virus related that they would report on somebody sneezing in east Asia with DEADLY VIRUS SYMPTOM IN MOST POPULATED REGION, PANIC
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Weak-Representative84 days ago
+3
Lets wait and see. It did say, Suspected.
[https://hantavirusnow.com/90-second-reads/cruise-ship-at-center-of-hantavirus-outbreak-to-dock-in-spain-sunday-cidrap/](https://hantavirusnow.com/90-second-reads/cruise-ship-at-center-of-hantavirus-outbreak-to-dock-in-spain-sunday-cidrap/)
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Any-Ad-4463 days ago
+3
Trump will use this to cancel the midterms.
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I-Have-An-Alibi5 days ago
+21
I'm gonna be honest.
I don't f****** care anymore.
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xdkaur4 days ago
+3
this. cause i am not doing it again. in just span of 5 years. wth u mean. first this shit took our teens years now adult life too. im done.
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tenax215 days ago
+16
If the incubation period is two months, why is she showing "symptoms" so soon? She is just coughing after a flight. It ain't hanta.
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Amoral_Abe5 days ago
+70
To be clear, the incubation period can be as long as 8 weeks. Most symptoms show up after 1 or 2 weeks. However, they have to say incubation can last for 8 weeks so that people are vigilant. If they say "symptoms will likely appear 1-2 weeks but can appear later" most people will assume they don't need to check after 2 weeks.
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tenax215 days ago
+4
OK, that makes sense. Thanks for explaining.
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Gigi_Langostino5 days ago
+16
\*1-8 weeks.
The flight the Joburg-Amsterdam flight was on April 25, so that's 2 weeks; inside the incubation period.
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windingsand5 days ago
+13
Just when I thought we were in the clear when the flight attendant tested negative
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kitten-revolution5 days ago
+36
The flight attendant also had symptoms and tested negative, so there was probably some flu also going around that plane. Besides it’s much more likely that the FA actually touched the sick woman.
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ChipmunkNamMoi5 days ago
+18
For real. Think about how many people are on a typical flight, and then how many of those people probably have some kind of cold/flu/allergies.
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windingsand5 days ago
+5
That’s true, thanks. My anxiety is spiking a bit due to a long journey early june. I’m also glad this person is checking to be safe even though it’s worrying
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maybemyfirstrodeo5 days ago
+4
Genuine question, given this has a much higher mortality rate, would it be much less likely to be widespread than COVID?
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No_Conversation_93255 days ago
+41
Depends. If people escape from quarantine and start having "Hanta-parties" things might change. Otherwise, it's unlikely to become like COVID.
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Spinoza425 days ago
+4
I think that depends on the progression of the disease more than on the mortality rate. If you're infectious for a long time and then eventually you die, that eventual death has little impact on how fast the disease spreads. Of course very lethal diseases may help to reinforce quarantine measures but just being lethal eventually doesn't necessarily bring down the infection rate.
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Flaky-Pressure-76985 days ago
+12
Yeah, the armchair virologists of Listnook always like to parrot that high mortality rates automatically means lower rates of spread, citing their peer-reviewed experience on Plague Inc., but it is not some universal rule. We’ve been lucky that most viruses have respected that generality, but it is not guaranteed.
In theory a virus could have a 100% mortality rate but if is paired with a long asymptomatic infectious period where people can spread it unknowingly then it doesn’t matter how deadly it is, it will run rampant. Hell, look at how prevalent AIDS/HIV is, especially before the development of things like prep and various treatments.
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UnexpectedHarbinger5 days ago
+12
**No, the high mortality rate will not reduce spread of this virus.** The Andes variant human-to-human transmissions are clustered around 24 hours around symptom onset. But you don't become severe and die until roughly a week after that, so the spread is not interrupted by the severity.
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aaaaaaaarrrrrgh4 days ago
+2
Not if the virus is able to spread before people get symptoms (conflicting information on whether that's the case, one claims said "most infectious on the day the fever starts").
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Marieshivje5 days ago
+10
People act so hysterical about this. Within a month this will be forgotten except for those poor people that were in fact infected and died.
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TeacherMan6553213 days ago
+2
She tested negative, according to El Pais.
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jj_HeRo3 days ago
+2
Somebody has shares from a big farms.
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Ignorance_15_Bliss4 days ago
+3
I’m sure this is fine. This will all be fine.
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LookismLz4 days ago
+2
Plz, gib quarantine round 2
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DizzyPS54 days ago
+3
Buying stock in TP companies rn
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scabbyshitballs4 days ago
+2
We are fucked. We need a worldwide lockdown NOW before this thing gets any worse.
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superseven275 days ago
+5
On the one hand I wish almost nobody to have Hanta...on the other handnI wanna work from home again
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Zerxin4 days ago
+2
F*** sake literally flying to Alicante tomorrow great time to read this
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xdkaur4 days ago
+3
really?????? keep us updated.
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mrflash8184 days ago
+2
\*\*cough\*\* Contagion movie (2011) \*\*cough\*\*
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-KoDDeX-4 days ago
+2
Of all the places to live, I had to pick Valencia.
No regrets.
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