Don’t be fooled, he’s finding a way to draw attention from domestic issues
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__Yakovlev__6 days ago
+30
Sanchez is just a left version of trump.
Scandals follow him everywhere, around his family and his closest political allies. Primarily corruption schandals. He uses big foreign policy statements to distract domestic issues. And instead of sucking up to countries like Russia and Israel. He's sucking up to china and Iran. And much like the US of A he'd love to see the end of NATO.
I absolutely despise the people that are now pretending he's some kind of saviour of the left. If trump is a fascist then Sanchez is a tankie. And tankies are just fascist in denial.
If this is who the left rallies behind then I'm seriously worried about the future. And it just goes to show how many people on both extremes of the spectrum are easily fooled by some fancy words and how the far left is in no way better or smarter than the far right.
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Beiben5 days ago
+12
Damn, he rapes kids? He started a war?
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Gaminedes75 days ago
+12
It's actually frustrating seeing people say he's the "Trump of the left" it's so painfully idiotic regardless of whether you're left or right.
Pedro Sánchez is the antithesis of Trump's style of politics, as is any politician that isn't a genocidal narcissist rapist moron with signs of dementia.
"Oh he's scoring easy political points by having the same foreign policy he's had for 8 years, that means he's the Trump of the left because he's talking about his popular aspects instead of focusing on the corruption scandals in his party"
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gayphilantropist6 days ago
+22
I like you, and I hate tankies that hijacked the liberal movement.
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__Yakovlev__6 days ago
+9
I'm trans. I sure as shit don't look forward to jumping from crazy Christians to crazy Muslims. They both wanna see me dead because of some ancient book lol.
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gayphilantropist6 days ago
+2
We both know how open minded communists were during the Soviet Union to people they considered lesser than the party norm. People really don't think.
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__Yakovlev__6 days ago
+4
Yes. Ofc the literal definition of a tankie is someone that was cheering on sending tanks to those that wanted independence from the Soviets. Because America was bad and therefore those against America were good.
So I don't know why people keep acting so butthurt when I call Sanchez exactly what he is.... A tankie. Because you can perfectly fine give the US the middle finger without sucking up to Iran and China.
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gayphilantropist6 days ago
-2
Forgot to mention, their stance on Ukraine has really shown their colors. The aid given to Ukraine per gdp was laughable. Tell me you're a Russian asset without telling me.
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__Yakovlev__6 days ago
+3
They only want to give the bare minimum to Ukraine, and don't want to meet NATO standards. And whole the rest of the EU is investing in itself and eachother, Spain is getting voluntarily spit roasted by china and Iran.
It's painfully obvious where they stand.
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gayphilantropist6 days ago
+5
Trump of the left. The parallels are so obvious, the isolationism, the pandering to the lowest common denominator, the arrogance.
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Gaminedes75 days ago
-3
You have to be a bit simple minded or completely clueless about Spanish politics to think Sanchez is Trump of the left, or that he has isolationist policies. It's fine to not comment when you're unfamiliar with politics of another country.
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gayphilantropist6 days ago
It's also just irrelevant posturing, for what cause? Does anyone sane really want to partner with Russia/China and Iran over the US for example? Regardless of how unhinged the US is now, it's still miles better to align with the west. Sanchez is burning some serious bridges now that may or may not get rebuilt in a meaningful way in the future.
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Professional-One9726 days ago
-19
Largely coz liberals are some of the most useless, amoral cretins in the world.
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DGlen6 days ago
+3
Good thing these fascist dictator wannabes are here to show us all their moral superiority.
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gayphilantropist6 days ago
Tankies are in full bloom on Listnook this time of year.
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Professional-One9726 days ago
-4
That’s the thing - there are things that are morally superior to others.
You are so deluded that you think not believing is that is the morally superior thing to do.
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gayphilantropist6 days ago
+2
I agree. Beng a tankie is inferior in every way. You're just a bootlicker to authoritarianism. Maga of the left.
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gayphilantropist6 days ago
+1
That’s right, tankies are notorious for being useful, as in useful idiots for whatever fascist or communist dictatorship wants to use them.
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Gaminedes75 days ago
+16
>Sanchez is just a left version of trump.
This is hands down the most idiotic comment I've heard about Pedro Sánchez. You genuinely have no clue about Spanish politics.
PSOE is a center left party, it's not populist. And you have to be out of your mind to think he's a tankie.
>He's sucking up to china and Iran.
No, he's not. Not anymore than he was sucking up to the US, Russia and Israel before they decided to start wars of aggression. Hell, he condemned Iran multiple times.
China is an authoritarian regime but they're not invading other countries to expand their territory (yet), it's not that deep.
>He uses big foreign policy statements to distract domestic issues.
Sure, this only works because PP and VOX praised the invasion of Iran day one. He can do a few victory laps for calling out the invasion before any other major politician.
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DonaldTheAnt5 days ago
+3
Saying Sanchez's PSOE is not a populist party is laughable. Dude has been clinging to power for years now, spreading political division and pushing PP as much as he can into VOX, ruining the political system where PSOE and PP ruled alternatively. He has been creating divisions in Spain that will take years to recover from just to stick to power. Making electoral promesses like not pardoning the separatists from Catalonia and immediately going back on it once he needs the Catalan parties to remain in power. Probably the biggest populist leader in Europe after Orban got kicked out. Attacking the justice system just because they are investigating his wife, number 2 and 3 condemned for corruption... In a normal political environment, he would have been kicked out long ago. But thanks to his divisive posture, where he portrays himself as the only one capable of stopping VOX and PP fascists from getting into power, he still is in power.
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Solstrum5 days ago
-1
>ruining the political system where PSOE and PP ruled alternatively
You actually think that having a system where there were only 2 parties is better? More parties means more ideologies can be represented. And is not like it was his doing, it started in 2015, back when Rajoi was the president and Podemos and Ciudadanos had a pretty big chunk of the seats divided among them.
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iggy-i5 days ago
+4
"Sanchez is just a left version of Trump“. That's where I stopped reading.
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acaciovsk6 days ago
+9
I like listnook because you can sometimes read a point of view so awesomely removed from reality you have to read it again n' again. I might save this one to go over later hahaha.
Every sentence here is a triple whammy!
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CelebrationSome23606 days ago
-6
Please, keep botting on US politics and leave actual serious countries out of your shit fan.
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__Yakovlev__6 days ago
+3
"everyone that disagrees with me is a bot"
Open your f****** eyes mate, you're just a closeted maga from the other side. You see I dont want to swap out the radical Christians for radical shias. But Sanchez thinks that fine and killing thousands of your own citizens is fine and no reason at all to keep your embassy closed. Nah....
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Professional-One9726 days ago
+6
There we go! Thanks for making your actual stance clear.
You don’t have a problem with this guy, you’re making up excuses to make yourself feel good about your bigotry.
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anortef6 days ago
+8
Years and years repeating the same lies against Sanchez saying how bad and corrupt he is while having 0 convictions after corrupt judges disregarded all proper procedure in hopes of catching anything to no avail. Meanwhile the country is doing better than the rest of Europe and everyone shudders at the idea of the same crisis that happened and are happening but with a PP+Vox government.
You guys love to prattle about Sanchez while defending your politicians that stole millions donated to the victims of La Palma volcano, ordered thousands of elders to die alone to ensure their friends at private clinics grow richer, decided that a dinner with a woman was more important that handling severe floods that killed more than 200 people.
Is Sanchez government perfect? No, not all. There are cost of living issues but compared to what is at the other side is like comparing a ruined shed with a skyscraper.
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galanot766 days ago
+11
Looks like you've mistaken me for another listnookor. I’m not defending anyone (I see you are, though 😬). Our politicians are trash, and this one is no exception. He’s clearly posturing to distract us from domestic issues. If you can't see that, you have a problem. Think for yourself.
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anortef6 days ago
+12
I am not mistaking you for anyone. I know perfectly the kind of person you are. Those "all politicians are the same" crowd are shameless liars at worst or useful idiots at best.
In one side we have a group of politicians that sure, there is some possible corruption going on, but the country is overall managed in a good way and at the other side we have a group of politicians with LITERALLY THOUSANDS of deaths directly tied to their decisions and orders and not in a "no one would have been able to predict it" way no, in a "everyone f****** knew that was going to happen and they did it without a second though" way while also representing between 60% to 70% of the corruption cases of the whole country.
But yes, totally the same. /s
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galanot766 days ago
-3
I see you’ve got it all figured out. Take care.
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anortef6 days ago
+3
Typical.
Care to deny any of that or are you gonna just go to the bar, get a sol y sombra and boast how much of a free thinker you are?
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Professional-One9726 days ago
You a clear case of a braindead human being.
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geviar6 days ago
+2
True
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discoFalston6 days ago
+3
> Better than the rest of Europe
On what metrics?
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anortef6 days ago
+7
* GDP growth
* Tourism scale and revenue
* Services sector expansion
* Employment growth
* Domestic demand strength
* Population growth
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Defiant_Tutor_21665 days ago
GDP has only grown due to increased public spending and debt: we went from 29 billion to 120 billion in public debt.
In addition, with more immigration comes a larger population, and even if many don’t work, GDP still increases due to the way it is calculated.
Tourism was already growing strongly under the governments of Zapatero and Rajoy, driven by rising demand and low-cost airlines.
Employment growth is also partly explained by population growth: more people means more workers. What is often not mentioned is that there are nearly one million people holding multiple jobs (two or more), and these are counted as separate jobs in the statistics. (Never before we have so many pluriempleados)
Population growth is almost entirely due to immigration, not natural birth rates.
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ElCuntIngles5 days ago
+1
>we went from 29 billion to 120 billion in public debt.
What are these figures? Over what time period?
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Defiant_Tutor_21665 days ago
+2
Public debt is something that has been building up since after the 2008 financial crisis, and since then all governments have had economic growth, so it can’t be assumed to be entirely his fault. Rather, it’s part of the phenomenon or the “miracle” of the Spanish economy in the post–Lehman Brothers crisis era.
GDP growth under Sánchez is largely driven by immigration and public spending. However, we’re also in an era where working people are poorer than ever.
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__Yakovlev__6 days ago
-8
>Years and years repeating the same lies against Sanchez saying how bad and corrupt he is while having 0 convictions after corrupt judges disregarded all proper procedure
So what you're saying is that trump is innocent too then? I mean it's the same logic right.
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anortef6 days ago
+11
Trump was convicted 34 times.
Sanchez and his wife 0 times. 0 times after a judge have been investigating for years ignoring all the proper procedures in a very invasive way, like asking for ALL the emails of his wife, and to this day that judge is still trying to convict his wife of anything.
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Ultra_Metal6 days ago
+4
Yep. He is trying to hide a major corruption scandal.
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delarro6 days ago
+7
What issues? Macroeconomic data says otherwise
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Ultra_Metal6 days ago
+2
Corruption
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acaciovsk6 days ago
-8
By being really consistent and right on the mark about foreign policy. Terrible president...
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madogvelkor6 days ago
+1
Voters often don't care about foreign policy.
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acaciovsk6 days ago
+6
True. And when elections come around the whole country will be hyperfocused on internal affairs. All I'm saying is that he's doing a pretty good job with the foreign policy.
Also, there are problems with the current administration, namely housing, healthcare and the skyrocketing cost of living not being followed by the salaries. Although not totally fault of the central government since local administrations have a lot of power over these issues. It's a complex problem.
But at the same time it feels like a different country from when I arrived. The country was in shambles in 2017.
I think voters do appreciate that despite the insane propaganda machine ran by the opposition. I think that's something people *are* aware of.
Sanchez certainly doesn't deserve all the vitriol he gets.
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galanot766 days ago
+3
You’ve been fooled 🤣
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acaciovsk6 days ago
+10
Whatever you say. I just want to fill up my tank, go to work and not have to worry about people being massacred by psychopathic decisions far away. Color me fooled
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galanot766 days ago
+5
I understand perfectly well. We all do. But please think further or at least educate yourself about what’s going on in Spain. It’s compatible to be against Trump at every level (as I am) while being critical with what the government is doing here. We need elections ASAP.
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acaciovsk6 days ago
+12
Please do not assume I don't know about the Spanish political landscape. I might not be a Spaniard but I've lived here for 9 years and read quite a few book on Spanish politics.
There's certainly room for improvement but Sanchez's foreign policy has been impeccable so far. And backed by most Spaniards.
Also to be fair, I feel disheartened when I see the current oppositions take on most issues. Does anyone want to live in a country run by a narco pal and a far right VP?
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galanot766 days ago
You’re buying the gov. propaganda. Yes our politicians are trash. I don’t like any of them. But Sanchez has found a way to draw attention elsewhere. That’s a fact. And we need elections.
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acaciovsk6 days ago
+22
That's presumptuous of you. I just disagree.
You will have elections next year (I don't vote here). Should be an easy win for the other party if Sanchez is so bad.
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Bukkokori6 days ago
+5
Unfortunately, virtually the entire press parrots the arguments of the far right. Right now, there is a genuine corruption case involving a former PSOE minister, and another—the one involving the president’s wife—which, by all indications, is pure lawfare. But the press devotes so much time to them that it makes the government seem utterly corrupt.
On the other hand, the judges have been unable to locate a certain M. Rajoy who appears on a list of people who received illegal payments; the former prime minister of the right-wing party was named Mariano Rajoy, but no one knows who this M. Rajoy is (just to give you an idea of what many judges in Spain are like)
In contrast, the media they barely cover corruption cases on the right. Right now, a case is being tried in which the previous right-wing government used public funds and the state police to surveil and blackmail a witness to its corruption, but that is hardly ever mentioned in the press.
On top of that, there’s the targeting of immigrants, something that always pays off for the right—you just have to look at the results in the U.S., where they voted for a pedophile simply because he promised to harm immigrants.
I don't like the PSOE at all. It's like the Democratic Party in the U.S., except that here there are more parties, and sometimes they're forced to negotiate instead of always giving in to the lobbies. The reason I find myself defending it is because I'm so scared of the far right, which won't hesitate to create an equivalent to ICE. And here we have firsthand experience of what they’re like when they’re in power. There are still 100,000 people missing, victims of extrajudicial executions during the dictatorship.
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galanot766 days ago
+8
I hope you’re enjoying living here (not being sarcastic 😁)
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acaciovsk6 days ago
+9
Thank you, beautiful country really
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Bukkokori6 days ago
+2
And you’re spreading far-right propaganda. You know it, you know you’re lying, but there’s one thing the far right always does: LIE.
You never talk about the total and absolute corruption of your parties, about the supposed leader of the PP, a close friend of a drug trafficker, or the de facto leader, who is utterly corrupt—a genocidal figure who denied access to healthcare to the elderly without private insurance during COVID—nor do you talk about Vagoscal, a kept man of Esperanza Aguirre who has received funding from Iranian terrorists and Russian oligarchs close to Putin. That’s why you’re always trumpeting cases involving the left, whether real or fabricated by judges totally dedicated to lawfare who fabricate false cases based on rumors. Where are the convictions against Podemos after thousands and thousands of hours in the right-wing press? Where are the convictions against the so-called Catalan terrorists? There aren’t any. Because they were lies, AND YOU KNOW IT.
And meanwhile, Spain’s economy is one of the ones that has improved the most in Europe. The minimum wage has doubled in just a few years. But of course, it pisses you right-wingers off that workers are doing well. What you want is to keep us under control and starving. And that’s the point—that’s why you’re so pissed off and running such brutal propaganda campaigns.
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cytokine76 days ago
Do you live in Spain?
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acaciovsk6 days ago
+7
I do
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Bartimeo6666 days ago
+2
Thanks for saying it.
"He just wants to draw attention from domestic issues".
As if he wouldn't do the same without those. Or the opposition (in the right) wasn't worse by almost all metrics...
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Ultra_Metal6 days ago
-3
He has been consistently wrong on everything, especially foreign policy. He has been defending the Islamic republic of Iran, a regime that massacred tens of thousands of people in a few days in January.
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acaciovsk6 days ago
+8
To be blunt, that's just bullshit
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Ultra_Metal6 days ago
+1
Wrong. Your comment is bullshit.
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Consistent-Stuff28156 days ago
+6
>He has been defending the Islamic republic of Iran
I'm spanish, I hate Pedro, and I jave never seen him defending Iran lol
This is bullshit and you know it. If you do have proof, please show me.
I will take it to the news of my country and we will get rid of him once and for all, I promise.
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Thin_Pop_50415 days ago
+8
this is not news , its propaganda. the one who is trying to draw attention from epstein files you know who he is. Pedro is behaving like we expected the us to do. we are proud of him. stick your propaganda in your a******
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Mr_We1rd06 days ago
+8
Just remember this - No politician is honest and no political party works for the betterment of people.
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Aggravating_Ad70225 days ago
+2
100%, people that think with this party or with that party my life will be better, not your alone.
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anortef6 days ago
+27
The right wingers do a gathering: Total normal phenomenon inside political liberty.
The left wingers do a gathering: anti-Trump coallition its 100% sure a scheme to retain power.
And they have the gall to call themselves journalists.
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fec22456 days ago
+17
Orban was routinely (and rightfully) accused by the media of internationalizing his politics to distract from domestic failures.
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pzkenny6 days ago
+3
Euronews is shadow of what it used to be.
They have Portuguese owners, but per Hungarian outlet Direkt36, Le Monde and Expresso, the owners are connected to Orbán, who gave them 150 million euro through various state funds.
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Ultra_Metal6 days ago
-3
This is what Sanchez is trying to hide. He's trying to distract people so we don't talk about the epic corruption in his party and in his family.
[Spain PM Pedro Sanchez’s wife charged with corruption after years-long probe](https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20260413-spanish-pm-pedro-sanchez-wife-charged-corruption-years-long-probe)
>Spanish Prime Minister Pedro Sanchez’s wife, Begona Gomez, has been formally charged with corruption following a years-long investigation, a court ruling said on Monday. The probe, opened in 2024, examines whether she used her position for private gain, allegations she and Sanchez deny, increasing pressure on his minority government.
[Spanish corruption scandal erupts, threatening PM Sánchez](https://www.courthousenews.com/spanish-corruption-scandal-erupts-threatening-pm-sanchez/)
>Spain is riveted by a new corruption scandal, and this one involves former top members of the ruling Spanish Socialist Workers' Party — leaving Prime Minister Pedro Sánchez's political survival in doubt.
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anortef6 days ago
+21
The one with Peinado not even PP voters believe there is anything there, only Vox voters but those will believe anything Abascal says.
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Ultra_Metal6 days ago
-2
Stop trying to hide Sanchez' crimes.
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anortef6 days ago
+19
You wish there was some crimes so you could vote your right wing politicians without feeling shame for voting the most corrupt people to ever roam this earth.
[https://casos-aislados.com/stats.php](https://casos-aislados.com/stats.php)
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Ultra_Metal6 days ago
+1
I'm a liberal. I'm not a right winger.
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dvd_anarchy6 days ago
+8
If you are an American lib you are a right winger by world standards lmao.
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Ultra_Metal6 days ago
Nope. The political spectrum is universal.
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jsmithers9456 days ago
+6
…um spectrums… you know what never mind
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FisicoK6 days ago
+5
Is this a serious comment?
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SkyDiligent52176 days ago
-12
He has to be the most stupid world leader out there right now
Update: CCP bots are mad that I criticize their puppet.
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