bro really looked at the current world order and thought you know what this needs more poles
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squeeze-my-lizard3 hr ago
+1
What is the current world order? The Pax Americana is over, we’re on a limbo.
Bro looked at the current mess and said to the least shitty superpower: “do something”
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JY09506 hr ago
+44
Do nothing = Win
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Gilga13 hr ago
+1
They are doing quite a lot and that’s why they are winning.
The US is just overreaching
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Ok_Document_97135 hr ago
+32
This is like the mob hiring The Joker in TDK.
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Ceui3 hr ago
+1
If you're good at something, never do it for free
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EasyE19794 hr ago
+1
If by the mob you mean the USA and the Joker is Trump -the stable genius, then yes.
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__Yakovlev__3 hr ago
+1
Can't wait to see more Spain glazing after this and getting angry replies for calling spains government run by tankies.
FFS people the US being bad does not suddenly make China good.
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sidrepartus3 hr ago
+1
only one is actively bombing kids.
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Airline_Lower6 hr ago
+18
I guess that closing the strait to everyone pushes your allies away.
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fretkat3 hr ago
+1
So does threatening to invade their sovereign land
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sumregulaguy4 hr ago
+1
China is not an ally. It supports Russia because it wants EU gone, just like Trump, just like Putin, because individual small nations have less negotiating power. It's just not as dumb and overt in its actions like the latter two.
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CryptoCel3 hr ago
+1
China doesn’t really have allies or enemies, it supports Russia insofar that it doesn’t join the West in sanctioning Russia but again only because China doesn’t recognize the West as allies. But it also doesn’t recognize the west as enemies either. It engages in almost three times as much trade with EU as it does Russia. China’s relationship with the EU just from an economic standpoint is much more significant.
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SpyFromMarsHXJD3 hr ago
+1
China wants an EU that has no independence to be gone, not a unified EU that can rival America to be gone.
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smeeagain935 hr ago
+19
How about working on giving Europe a bigger role in the world? Oh, you want to go from sucking US's c*** to China's c***?
This coming from the Spanish PM doesn't surprise me though tbh.
We as Europeans need to stop being a freaking leech. I can already smell all those idiots acting surprised and going back on every statement they made once China removes Taiwan's identity from the map. Or worse, they act like Taiwan's genocide is justified.
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Aethericseraphim4 hr ago
+4
Sanchez is 100% going to find a way to justify it. He was always one of the most pisswater weakest on Russia, so of course he would dry hump Xi's c*** at the first opportunity.
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Informal_Bag23005 hr ago
+24
Sanchez dickriding China again?? (Like every day)
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predatarian3 hr ago
+1
he is a lefty so siding with the CCP red fascists comes natural for him.
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Heisenbergg556 hr ago
+14
This is Europe quietly hedging I think.
Sanchez calling for a bigger Chinese role isn’t just about climate or inequality It reflects a perceived vacuum as U.S. global leadership becomes less predictable
The risk: deeper economic ties with China = more strategic dependence later
Short term pragmatism vs long term leverage
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PinHaunting71924 hr ago
+1
>The risk: deeper economic ties with China = more strategic dependence later...
Are we pretending like this isn't *already* the case just with the US?
We're now in the process of untangling ourselves from the US. Literally last year, the US government quietly put like 5 ICC judges on a sanction list and due to how centrally stuff like payment processing, banking and other things are operated, it basically killed their everyday life for the simple matter of ruling against someone Trump likes.
And right now, we are constantly having to do this song and dance and watch Rutte fellatio someone because it will take a decade to entangle the current NATO issues and secure military supply chains.
This time I am all for simply just keeping the risk low and having little strategic dependence. We can trade and get along without *dependence* on each other.
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TalkersCZ4 hr ago
+1
The risk: deeper economic ties with USA = more strategic dependence later
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Elathan-Izayoi4 hr ago
+5
Yeah like the US hasn't enjoyed over 60 years of "long term leverage".
I rather see a country with 5, 10 and 50 year plans as an ally than one with every 3 days of chaos. Calling the fall of the US "short term pragmatism" is near sighted and hypocritical because they had the monopoly on both short term pragmatism and long term leverage for DECADES.
The US failing to realize we're tired of them imposing their view on the world is going to be a bitter bite to swallow...
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Scary_Metal28845 hr ago
+4
The moment China does anything, I get a feeling they will get crucified for it. Whatever the Chinese does seems to be problematic to the western media :)
When they were the biggest polluter (though the west buys a lot from them), they get shit on
Now they are the biggest in green tech, and EV, the media says they are destroying the west’s car industry and ‘taking over the world’
It’s hard being China
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Jumbledcode5 hr ago
+19
> When they were the biggest polluter
They're still the biggest polluter.
Being a major power inevitably means a lot of scrutiny, but I don't think China is overly concerned about their image in Western media, they keep their domestic populace pretty well insulated from that.
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peterausdemarsch4 hr ago
+3
Guess why they're the biggest polluter? Because the west used them as their factory(still does) for decades so they don't have to pollute as much at home.. China accutally has made great progress reducing pollution and they're at a tipping point in that regard. While the US..
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antifocus3 hr ago
+1
Insulated or not there's nothing much China can do to the Western media as it's evident in the "but at what cost" meme.
I'll also argue the US doesn't face nearly enough scrutiny in the mainstream media prior to the Trump administration because it's just too much even for them. Americans are also very well insulated for being in the middle of two largest oceans and they don't have to face the consequence of the war they've participated in bar 9/11.
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pyre_light5 hr ago
+2
It would be nice if we were just criticized for "destroying the west’s car industry and ‘taking over the world’"... the funny part is we are being criticized for being "too green" and "not meddling enough" along with those old-fashioned criticisms.
At this point these criticisms have become just amusement.
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ImpossibleAd66283 hr ago
+1
Okay the dude had some goodwill for taking a stand on the Iran debacle but it's quickly wearing out
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predatarian3 hr ago
+1
Why does the left love sucking up to autocrats?
Spain should really know their place. Without the EU they would still use donkey carts as their main form of transportation.
They have been sucking at the EU tit ever since franco. The moment that they can finally give something back they side with the red fascists of the CCP instead.
pathetic bunch of losers.
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Redditforgoit3 hr ago
+1
A lot of ignorance in the age of information. Spain got nothing from the EU until we joined. Before, EEC gave us nothing. And Spain was a significant industrial nation that developed quickly form the 1960s. Give back to whom? The US? What do we owe the US? Because the EU has not sided with Trump in his war with Iran.
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diemenschmachine3 hr ago
+1
Last time I checked it was the ultra right sucking up to autocrats, and becoming autocrats for that matter.
Examples: Trump, Putin, Orban, Netanyahu. I guess Fico is the exception, but he sucks up to the previous ones so it seems being an autocrat is what unites them, not so much their political views.
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predatarian3 hr ago
+1
one does not exclude the other.
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Far_Car4303 hr ago
+1
Wow, who would have thought.
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Tel_Janen5 hr ago
-2
Clown spain. Worthless to have them in nato
-2
fricken4 hr ago
+1
Speak softly and carry a big stick they say. In the age of drone warfare China really doesn't need to say anything at all.
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MasterpieceActive3744 hr ago
+1
China has a proven strategy
\>Do nothing
\>Win
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Delta27-4 hr ago
-7
Ah now we see why spain is againts us - been grooomed by china . Look forward to the next chinese investment influx into spain
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OK-Dravrah74555 hr ago
-6
He's playing the 4D chess game. Dragging China into the chaos in the ME means less PLA activity in the Pacific.
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__Yakovlev__3 hr ago
+1
He's playing as much 4d chess as trump is playing 4d chess. Which is to say none at all.
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