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Announcements Feb 24, 2020 at 9:12 PM

Spring forward… into Listnook’s 2019 transparency report

Posted by spez


**TL;DR: Today we published our 2019** [**Transparency Report**](https://www.listnookinc.com/policies/transparency-report-2019)**. I’ll stick around to answer your questions about the report (and other topics) in the comments.** Hi all, It’s that time of year again when we share Listnook’s annual transparency report. We share this report each year because you have a right to know how user data is being managed by Listnook, and how it’s both shared and not shared with government and non-government parties. You’ll find information on content removed from Listnook and requests for user information. This year, we’ve expanded the report to include new data—specifically, a breakdown of content policy removals, content manipulation removals, sublistnook removals, and sublistnook quarantines. ## By the numbers Since the [full report](https://www.listnookinc.com/policies/transparency-report-2019) is rather long, I’ll call out a few stats below: **ADMIN REMOVALS** * In 2019, we removed **\~53M** pieces of content in total, mostly for spam and content manipulation (e.g. brigading and vote cheating), exclusive of legal/copyright removals, which we track separately. * For [Content Policy](https://www.listnookinc.com/policies/content-policy) violations, we removed * **222k** **pieces of content**, * **55.9k accounts**, and * **21.9k** **sublistnooks** (**87%** of which were removed for being unmoderated). * Additionally, we quarantined **256 sublistnooks**. **LEGAL REMOVALS** * Listnook received **110 requests** from government entities to remove content, of which we complied with **37.3%**. * In 2019 we removed about **5x more** content for copyright infringement than in 2018, largely due to copyright notices for adult-entertainment and notices targeting pieces of content that had already been removed. **REQUESTS FOR USER INFORMATION** * We received a total of **772 requests** for user account information from law enforcement and government entities. * **366** of these were emergency disclosure requests, mostly from US law enforcement (**68%** of which we complied with). * **406** were non-emergency requests (**73%** of which we complied with); most were US subpoenas. * Listnook received an additional **224 requests** to temporarily preserve certain user account information (**86%** of which we complied with). * Note: We carefully review each request for compliance with applicable laws and regulations. If we determine that a request is not legally valid, Listnook will challenge or reject it. (You can read more in our [Privacy Policy](https://www.listnookinc.com/policies/privacy-policy) and [Guidelines for Law Enforcement](https://www.listnookinc.com/policies/guidelines-for-law-enforcement).) ## While I have your attention... I’d like to share an update about our thinking around quarantined communities. When we [expanded our quarantine policy](https://www.listnook.com/r/announcements/comments/9jf8nh/revamping_the_quarantine_function/), we created an appeals process for sanctioned communities. One of the goals was to “force subscribers to reconsider their behavior and incentivize moderators to make changes.” While the policy attempted to hold moderators more accountable for enforcing healthier rules and norms, it didn’t address the role that each member plays in the health of their community. Today, we’re making an update to address this gap: Users who consistently upvote policy-breaking content within quarantined communities will receive automated warnings, followed by further consequences like a temporary or permanent suspension. We hope this will encourage healthier behavior across these communities. ## If you’ve read this far In addition to this report, we share news throughout the year from teams across Listnook, and if you like posts about what we’re doing, you can stay up to date and talk to our teams in r/ListnookSecurity, r/ModNews, r/listnookmobile, and r/changelog. **As usual, I’ll be sticking around to answer your questions in the comments. AMA.** Update: I'm off for now. Thanks for questions, everyone.
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[deleted] Feb 24, 2020 +6030
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spez Feb 24, 2020 +8549
We do. Our policies forbid any sexual or suggestive content involving minors or someone who appears to be a minor, and we deploy a number of automated technical tools to keep this type of content off the site. For example, we employ PhotoDNA against all image files uploaded to Listnook, drawing on the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children (NCMEC) hash database. We also have our own internally developed hashing tool to apply to images and prevent their re-upload. For videos, we employ the YouTube CSAI Match tool to detect known CSAM in that format. Further, we proactively block the posting of links to offsite domains that are known to host CSAM. While these automated tools are industry-standard, we also recognize that they are not failsafe, and we rely also on human reports. If you see anything suspicious regarding the safety of children that you think needs our attention, please report it.
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shyphoebs Feb 25, 2020 +41
What do I do when my account suddenly stopped working after posting a naked picture of myself? I assume it is because I looked too young and someone thought I was underage (since the pictures were 'Removed by Listnook'). Listnook support is not answering for 2 months now so you guys need a better system that doesn't punish the users when one of the admins think the user looks 'too young'. edit: I want to point out I never recieved any ban or suspension message. My account is /u/shyphoebe
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realnzall Feb 24, 2020 +229
Since we're talking about sexual abuse images here, I wanted to piggyback and ask about a slightly related topic: a couple years ago you banned all of the subs that were related to live action bestiality p*** and discussion of performing bestiality. At the time you did not make any changes to subs depicting drawn and/or animated bestiality p***. Is it the official stance of Listnook that this type of content, assuming it does not violate any other rules, is considered acceptable content?
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Attack_Muppet Feb 25, 2020 +58
Animated content is usually less strictly policed, and grey areas are often dealt with in a case by case basis, depending on the level of reports and attention it gets. If you were to make some dark, horrifying content along this vein and make a sublistnook for it, its possible action could be taken. I wouldn't assume safety, especially since policy does change over time.
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4GotMyFathersFace Feb 24, 2020 +1767
Wow, I've never hear of that PhotoDNA thing before, that's amazing!
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marcan42 Feb 25, 2020 +50
It's called a perceptual image hash, and it's the same thing Content ID uses for copyrighted videos, etc. There are actually a ton of ways of doing this, but basically the main idea is that a "normal" file hash is designed to *completely* change when the file is changed at all, even a single bit. Meanwhile a perceptual image hash is designed to not change at all, or only change a tiny bit, when a small bit of the image changes. So you can compare hashes and get a "percentage match" effectively, by figuring out how different the hashes are. I wrote my own some time ago to "disassemble" low quality edited videos into their original parts, when I have the source material. It would look for the "same" sequences and basically re-create the same mix video in a higher quality. The one I implemented (which was a slightly tweaked version of one found in libpHash) basically resized the image down to a tiny thumbnail size and then applied a mathematical operation called DCT, which spits out a bunch of positive or negative numbers, and then just considered whether each number was positive or negative (throwing away the actual number, keeping the sign only). Worked quite well! It was good enough to match videos that were uploaded as an analog 240p capture of an SDTV output from some hardware, to original 1080p Blu-Ray quality source material, even when the Blu-Ray was a remaster with some elements changed in the image, and even when either version was altered with titles or other overlays.
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cameronrad Feb 25, 2020 +7
Look into the work of [Hany Farid](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hany_Farid). He's one of my favorite researchers and helped create PhotoDNA and TruePic. Specializes in digital forensics. https://farid.berkeley.edu/ Here's a great talk he did about the dangers of predictive algorithms in criminal justice https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-82YeUPQh0
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[deleted] Feb 24, 2020 +1534
What is your stance on cartoon p*** involving minors? /r/bokunoeroacademia and other sublistnooks feature characters that are canonically underage in straight up p***, which is in many countries illegal (not in the US). Is there a reason why sublistnook such as the one I mentioned are allowed to stay but lol/shota get banned? It's not exactly the same but it's close enough. *Edit: This comment has attracted a lot of pedophiles defending their loli waifus. Please go to therapy and leave me alone.*
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Attack_Muppet Feb 25, 2020 +274
I used to work in this industry. This will probably get buried or ignored, but here's what is probably happening behind the scenes. The policy guidelines that are used internally are several times more elaborate and specifically worded than what is given to the users, which usually contains the spirit or the rule. You don't need to be specific because you murder user rights in the Terms and Conditions. A policy could read "Child Safety Removal Guideline 30.3: Content that specifically requires or must portray a child-like or infantile figure and contains such a clear full bodied image of such a figure (should be removed)" You would not want the public to know those are the specific guidelines because they would abuse the shit out of that information. However, it also is quite clear about what is allowable. Shota h***** would break those rules since it needs an underage participant. Baku No Hero H***** would not. As a side note, due to the way they're drawn, all policies I've worked with on similar issues are much more targeted towards infants, unborn children, and toddlers. They're more easily definable and there's not much ambiguity about what the content is. By the time they look 10 or so, it's harder to police because it's a drawing. They could be "1000 years old" or a "flat, underdeveloped 18 year old". If you consider how 13 year olds can be more curvy or ripped than a the hottest real 25 year old and how a 50 year old might be 3 feet high with no age markings, it becomes pretty clear how hard it can be to police the content without reference.
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[deleted] Feb 24, 2020 +429
The admins do ban cartoon p*** involving minors, but they don't always enforce it. They banned r/FBIOpenUp for this even though it was super tame and was making fun of it.
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scorcher117 Feb 25, 2020 +76
I think the issue with subs like that was actually brigading, similar to /r/lolice they would look around for stuff they didn't like and tell people to go to the posts and mass report them
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SkyezOpen Feb 25, 2020 +43
I heard that sub only ate the banhammer because someone underage posted on gonewild, someone x-posted to fbiopenup, and they upvoted it.
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[deleted] Feb 24, 2020 +43
See https://www.listnookhelp.com/en/categories/rules-reporting/account-and-community-restrictions/do-not-post-sexual-or-suggestive as Animemes implemented a strict no Loli rule.
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RealBlazeStorm Feb 24, 2020 +3069
Why did the algorithm for r/popular (and I believe r/all) change? Often now I see posts with a few hundred upvotes and from more niche sublistnooks while there's many posts with 10k+ upvotes I haven't seen yet. On that note, when a new Animal crossing (iirc) trailer released, there were 10 posts in a row from just that sublistnook. Which is annoying if you're not interested in it. So that should be a hint that the algorithm needs tweaking at the very least.
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spez Feb 24, 2020 +3466
We've been fiddling with both r/popular and your home feeds. The particular experiment you're referring to is the one where we [boosted small communities](https://www.listnook.com/r/changelog/comments/eootz0/a_tweak_to_the_home_feed_that_helps_smallish/) in your home feed. The challenge with r/popular is that as Listnook becomes more diverse—a good thing—the quality of r/popular declines. I call this "Regression to the Meme". This means over time we're going to have to find new ways for new users to find their home on Listnook, hence the fiddling.
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hitemplo Feb 24, 2020 +957
Thanks for a reply to this one. It’s been confusing me for weeks. My only issue is that now, a large chunk of my ‘popular’ feed is anime in sexually suggestive outfits and positions. They aren’t pornographic, but they would make someone raise an eyebrow if they were looking over my shoulder. I am not interested in loli stuff whatsoever, why are these subs being boosted so much on my popular feed? I understand the rationale, but a lot of these subs are very low quality or just the same stuff (aka a LOT of female anime characters ‘at the beach’). It’s not increasing the overall quality of the popular feed. Edit to add: a lot of the promoted small subs are *very* niche, too, seemingly based on obscure in-jokes. These subs seem to be deliberately small and niche and not particularly looking for attention. There are also multiple posts from the same obscure subs which would never become as popular as popular subs. I think I speak for a lot of people when I say I’m not interested in these posts - I already need to scroll a lot to find things I’m interested in in popular, now I am just never-endingly scrolling. Edit again to add: [some](https://www.listnook.com/r/okbuddysheogorath/comments/f8v829/holesome_100/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf) [examples](https://www.listnook.com/r/SAU_SIEGE/comments/f8vi5d/photos_taken_before_death/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf). [Strange anime stuff](https://www.listnook.com/r/ChurchofMaiSakurajima/comments/f8zce1/the_bunny_girl_senpai/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf). [Memes with no context ](https://www.listnook.com/r/kingsnottrash/comments/f8up7t/stay_strong_kings/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf). [Niche subs](https://www.listnook.com/r/bigyoshi/comments/f8x2dm/people_who_find_this_sublistnook_be_like/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf). [Heaps of specific meme subs.](https://www.listnook.com/r/8ValuesMemes/comments/f8xrkh/something_the_2_social_extremes_can_agree_on/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf) [This, for some reason](https://www.listnook.com/r/DexMemes/comments/f91ve1/the_fault_in_our_manners/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf). [So many ‘ok buddy’ subs.](https://www.listnook.com/r/okbuddyclanker/comments/f8zerc/o_o_o_powerclankas/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf) [Random content](https://www.listnook.com/r/DidYouKn/comments/f8xg97/men_are_suffering/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf). [More weird anime stuff](https://www.listnook.com/r/longhairedwaifus/comments/f8z3sv/balcony_view_original/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf). [Even more weird anime stuff](https://www.listnook.com/r/moedred/comments/f8zdjt/trying_to_enjoy_her_ice_cream/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf). [What the literal f*** is this sub](https://www.listnook.com/r/garfsexual/comments/f90f8w/mmmmmm_yes/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf)? I can keep going, this took me ten minutes to compile from r/popular.
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TheresA_LobsterLoose Feb 25, 2020 +24
All I'm getting now is make up addiction, tattoos, curly hair, baby bumps or mommy bumps or whatever the sub is called and r/vegan. And the weird ass anime stuff. r/nba is the only sub consistently in popular that I'm even interested in I would never recommend Listnook to anyone I know right now because they'd think I was a weirdo. It's not resulting in a more diverse feed, its resulting in a more obscure feed
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BigPimpLunchBox Feb 25, 2020 +170
Funny you say that, I've noticed the same thing. I have have 0 interest in Anime, I don't watch Anime (sexual content or otherwise), I don't subscribe to any sublistnooks like that and have never commented/posted in them either. Yet my popular page is half filled with all these sexually suggestive anime girls.
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NullSleepN64 Feb 25, 2020 +190
I'd straight up pay for a weeb content filter on Listnook. Also can I tag on /r/medizzy to this? I'll be scrolling Listnook on my lunch break and suddenly see gore of someone missing half a face that isn't marked NSFW. Please take it out of popular.
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TheClaps2 Feb 24, 2020 +48
Interesting. I have NONE of this. Does Listnook subscribe to the same type of search algorithms as Facebook and/or Google?
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hitemplo Feb 25, 2020 +26
I don’t believe they do. I do not frequent anime sublistnooks - I am a 32 year old mother of two, I am absolutely not interested in loli anime, I actively avoid it, so there is no way the algorithm is putting these on my feed based on my own search history or subscriptions. Spez mentions that the algorithm has begun to take the most popular posts in small sublistnooks and featured them on r/popular. Everyone sees the same posts in r/popular, I think - maybe based on their location. No user history is used in this algorithm, at least in my first-hand experience of my popular feed.
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Don_Bardo Feb 25, 2020 +40
Agreed -- not specific to anime necessarily, but I thought /r/popular = SFW /r/all, and some NSFW stuff definitely makes it through.
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neuby Feb 25, 2020 +42
Preach dude. The amount of random ass anime sublistnooks I've filtered out is ridiculous. I think I've filtered out more anime subs than political at this point.
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HumanistGeek Feb 25, 2020 +67
>The challenge with r/popular is that as Listnook becomes more diverse—a good thing—the quality of r/popular declines. I call this "Regression to the Meme". I love that name for the ~~natural~~ karmic selection of content that is broadly appealing (and thus upvoted) but not specifically appealing (or "quality"). It's so much better than "appealing to the lowest common denominator" or calling that sort of content "shitposts."
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byParallax Feb 24, 2020 +175
Some sublistnooks like r/internetisbeautiful are highly curated and have extremely few posts. They aren't necessarily very upvoted either. This results in me never seeing these posts on my homepage. Perhaps you could let us tick a box to receive every post from a community on hour home feed?
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starfleetbrat Feb 24, 2020 +34
I'm not subbed to a lot of sublistnooks and I find a lot of times my home page has posts on it that are 15+ hours old. I check listnook before I go to bed and when I wake up in the morning the same posts are there. This is not really ideal and I end up having to switch to New to see anything newer. I'm not sure what can be done about it, but just mentioning it in case someone reads this and can maybe adjust something somewhere.
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TA-l3gzoojmgo Feb 24, 2020 +208
It's nice to see smaller subs but there are lots of "p***" content hitting the front page without the NSFW tag.
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hitemplo Feb 24, 2020 +66
This is exactly my problem with it. Plenty of subs don’t strictly classify as ‘p***’ but they *are* p***. I see way too much loli stuff on the popular feed now. We are scrolling this stuff at work..
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Knillish Feb 24, 2020 +970
Did you ever imagine 14 years ago that you would be dealing with things like this on such a large scale? How has your opinions of the internet changed from when Listnook was created all those years ago compared to now? Are there any Listnook posts from those years that you specifically remember and that stand out to you?
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spez Feb 25, 2020 +1016
> Did you ever imagine 14 years ago that you would be dealing with things like this on such a large scale? Since August, 2005, Listnook has been bigger than I ever thought it would be. I feel incredibly thankful to have been a part of it. > How has your opinions of the internet changed from when Listnook was created all those years ago compared to now? I feel that it's less that my opinions that have changed—though my ability to articulate them has definitely improved—but more so it's the world that's change around us. In the early days, Listnook didn't feel that special, but as the internet evolved and social media exploded, I began to wonder if our idealism about privacy and community put us in the minority, and today, I'm pleased to see these ideas which have always been important to us have become more important in the mainstream. > Are there any Listnook posts from those years that you specifically remember and that stand out to you? Many. But the goofy one that always comes to mind first was the giant ascii art of Fry's head. It was hilariously clever, but was also the inspiration for the limit to post title length.
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SunYourBunz Feb 25, 2020 +188
Does anyone have a link to the post?
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spez Feb 25, 2020 +385
Think it only works on desktop: https://old.listnook.com/r/listnook.com/comments/2pnpu/_/
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Vertigofrost Feb 25, 2020 +246
Seeing those comments with "a decade" written as the time posted is weird and cool. Also seeing people talk about bush going to be impeached is funny in today's context.
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1337haXXor Feb 25, 2020 +28
"You mean, when Ron Paul comes out as an atheist and personally impeaches Bush with an iPhone, and then it's made into an XKCD comic. That would be the fastest post ever to hit number one." That's a lot to pack into a 12 year old comment, wow.
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Chris-P-Creme Feb 25, 2020 +67
https://old.listnook.com/r/listnook.com/comments/2pnpu/_/c2po34/ This comment really contextualizes the listnook zeitgeist of 12 years ago.
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aporkmuffin Feb 25, 2020 +16
>when Ron Paul comes out as an atheist and personally impeaches Bush with an iPhone, and then it's made into an XKCD comic. That would be the fastest post ever to hit number one. Haha, perfectly encapsulates listnook in 07 or so
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ibm2431 Feb 24, 2020 +2570
When will Listnook admins take action on karma farming sublistnooks (ex: /r/FreeKarma4U , /r/FreeKarma4You , /r/FreeKarmaSub4Sub ) which used to bypass sublistnook karma requirements, which explicitly violate the [site-wide policy of vote manipulation](https://www.listnookhelp.com/en/categories/rules-reporting/account-and-community-restrictions/what-constitutes-vote-cheating-or)? > Vote manipulation is against the Listnook rules, whether it is manual, programmatic, or otherwise. Some common forms of vote cheating are: > Asking people to vote up or down certain posts > Forming or joining a group that votes together, either on a specific post, a user's posts
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SpriteGuy_000 Feb 24, 2020 +157
I asked this on r/ModSupport last year and this was the reply I got: > Hey there! This is a good question, and it's definitely something we’ve struggled with. > As Listnook grew but our anti-spammer and anti-bot preventions didn’t, many sublistnooks implemented account karma and age minimums as a stopgap effort. Since then, we’ve built much more powerful tools that action the majority of spam and bot accounts automatically (note the word "majority" there; we're not perfect!), however many of these rules remain intact. Unfortunately, that means that often these rules are punishing newbie listnookors who legitimately want to participate…but their first experience with Listnook is their content being removed, and sometimes silently if the mods haven’t set up automod to notify them. This can make it very hard for newbies to get involved in Listnook and in various communities even if they have quality contributions. We don’t want an echo chamber, so we want a way for newbies to (respectfully, while following the rules) contribute. Karma sublistnooks are a stopgap created by users, and obviously there are downsides there. We’re looking at some ideas now to try to address the problem in a way that prevents spam and trolling while allowing newbies to contribute. If we can accomplish that, then ideally both karma minimum rules AND karma sublistnooks can go away. >We're always looking for new and better solves though, so please comment if you have any ideas! Not sure if there's been an change in opinion or policy since then.
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spez Feb 24, 2020 +2154
The answer is right now we’re in between a rock and a hard place. We want new users to be able to discover Listnook, but aggressive karma rules, which mods set up when Listnook had very limited tools, make it very hard for first-time users to contribute. Karma farms are a bad solution to this, which is why we’re working on tools like Crowd Control that limit the damage bad actors can cause without overly punishing well-meaning new users.
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[deleted] Feb 24, 2020 +624
It would be cool if there was a way for listnook to flag new accounts that have had manual removals, at least within sublistnooks you moderate. For example if I see a new user in AskListnook has had posts removed manually in other sublistnooks, it would be more likely that this user is a spam account and I could check it faster. Maybe something like that already happens though.
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spez Feb 24, 2020 +720
Agree. In a similar vein, I've been proposing an idea around karma reciprocity—letting communities take into account a user's karma in other communities.
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[deleted] Feb 24, 2020 +199
It would be really useful as a baseline. Some sublistnooks I mod are more 'serious' and it would be good for troll detection too, beyond just catching spammers. That said, as I'm sure you're aware, certain mods would probably find other ways to use it that could harm well meaning users. Cheers to the engineers and community team working on this stuff.
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FUBARded Feb 25, 2020 +8
I can see how something like this could be tricky though, especially with contentious issues and politics. For example, I responded to a stupid comment on a politically right-leaning news/meme sub, got a bit of karma, and then got a notification that I'd been banned from a left-leaning news/meme sub due to my activity in the other one. This was clearly purely because I'd dared comment in a politically opposing sub to the one I got banned from, as I wasn't exhibiting bot-like behaviour, and made a civilised and relatively politically neutral comment (if anything it was left-leaning). That exclusionary preemptive banning isn't conducive to growing communities or encouraging discourse, and is clearly aimed at creating even more of an echo chamber than these political subs already are as the intent was clearly to ban someone they thought had opposing views. It didn't matter to me as I don't care about either of the subs involved here, but this could just as easily be acting as a barrier to people who do want to get involved and contribute, which helps nobody.
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chaoticmessiah Feb 24, 2020 +75
How would that work, besides having the data on a user profile? Would that mean that anybody with mostly poitive karma on r/The_Donald would be instantly flagged and banned from another community, or vice versa?
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MajorParadox Feb 24, 2020 +191
Part of that is when they go asking for help, other mods respond with automod code to silently remove instead of filter for review. Not only that but when users notice their content is removed, people tell them they got removed for being new or having low karma, when they might just be awaiting review.
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[deleted] Feb 24, 2020 +71
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AssuredlyAThrowAway Feb 24, 2020 +651
Hi Steve, Thanks for this update. One thing that was discussed in some of the public moderator sublistnooks in recent weeks was populating removal reasons in the mod log for anti-evil removals (so mod teams have some sense of the reason behind a given removal). Is this still in the works? Also, for those of us who would like to offer the option to our userbase, is there any chance for a listnook based public mod log? Currently, sublistnooks have to use a third party workaround which is limited and does not allow users the level of transparency they would have with access to the on site log itself.
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spez Feb 24, 2020 +542
We're aligned on this internally as something we should do. Our slowness here is unfortunately due to old technology for removals, which I know is the least satisfying answer.
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AssuredlyAThrowAway Feb 24, 2020 +90
Not at all a worry and thanks for the reply; as someone who prefers retaining as much of the original functionality of the site as possible I entirely understand (and, if anything, appreciate) that rational. Also, just to clarify (as some folks might have some questions), when you say; >We're aligned on this internally as something we should do You mean about populating removal reasons for anti-evil removals (not providing public mod logs), right?
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[deleted] Feb 24, 2020 +15
It would be great as a moderator to get a message as to why things are removed because policies are changing (as they should be), but it's hard to know sometimes when things cross a line. Some things are evidently and obviously against the rules, but for the less obvious ones, knowing why they were removed could help us moderate our own communities in the future.
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iLLicit__ Feb 24, 2020 +1833
Are you banable on listnook seeing how you are the CEO?? If so have you ever been banned from a sub?
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spez Feb 24, 2020 +4501
Yes, I get banned all the time. While technically I could continue to post in those communities if I wanted, I usually just add them to my pile of sublistnook voodoo dolls and stick needles in them periodically.
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JohannesVanDerWhales Feb 24, 2020 +318
There's pretty explicitly not. Listnook is set up on the basis of, "If you create a sub, it's your little fiefdom to run however you please, and if people don't like it, they're free to create their own sub." Now if the mods or subs are violating sitewide rules, that's a different thing.
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istara Feb 25, 2020 +165
There's a real problem with the "mod order" thing. Whoever gets in at the top basically holds power over all mods below them, so it's very difficult to enact change. We had an issue some years ago in /r/australia when the effective "top mod" went rogue and kicked everyone. Fortunately there's a user who sits at the top of a wide range of major subs, essentially he is inactive most of the time, but he was able to play deus ex machina on that occasion and fix things for us. But really it's not an ideal safeguard. It's better to have Admin intervene if a highly popular community - however that might be defined in terms of stats - starts "going rogue". It's not appropriate, in my view, to have multimillion subscriber subs run as fiefdoms just because someone got in early.
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vektorog Feb 24, 2020 +195
why doesnt this comment have the orange text and admin icon but your other ones do?
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Chilbill9epicgamer Feb 24, 2020 +1435
How is listnook karma calculated?
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spez Feb 24, 2020 +2050
It starts with one vote = one karma, but karma is more restrictive from an anti-cheating perspective and has ancient restrictions that I'd like to get ride of in time (such as the \~5k limit karma earned per post).
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MajorParadox Feb 24, 2020 +1471
Can I have ~5k karma? It's for a friend.
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spez Feb 24, 2020 +1588
A feature I'd love us to build would be for users to be able to give karma to a new users to vouch for them just as you would risk your reputation on someone in the real world.
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sje46 Feb 24, 2020 +794
Man, why? No offense intended but isn't that kinda...dumb? I've been on listnook for 11 years now, and I have very high comment karma, and my conclusion about karma is that it is entirely a pointless concept. It's a meme that listnookors will do anything for that sweet, sweet karma, the fact of the matter is that no one looks at anyone's karma. We're all effectively anonymous posters, and my...300K(?) comment karma doesn't actually give me any benefits at *all* compared to someone with 300 karma. No one knows who I am, and despite what the newfriends say, I've never been approached by a company to shill for them. When people say they themselves do stuff for the karma, I think they misunderstand their own motivations. When they post popular content, they're not awarded with karma, they're awarded by the positive validation the karma *represents*. I honestly think that if you hid total karma amounts, *absolutely nothing would change on listnook*. People would still post the same kind of content. Maybe hiding the scores for individual items would change how listnook acts, but not the total score, which virtually no one checks. The idea that karma can be traded as a commodity is a laughably clueless idea, and would change virtually zero of listnook, and it honestly shocks me that even the founder of listnook buys into the whole karma-as-commodity meme. You probably won't see this post but I'd love to hear your response to this.
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Triddy Feb 25, 2020 +160
Sublistnooks can have restrictions on Karma. For example, "Users with less than 200 Karma cannot submit a post" is a common one to limit brigading and spam bots. This would allow you to, say, give a friend 200 Karma to bypass that limit rather than them posting stupid larma begging things. Of course, this also let's nefarious people bot one account to 100k Karma, then use it to allow 5000 instant spam bots. So I'm not sure if it's a good idea, just explaining how it could have a purpose.
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SecretivEien Feb 25, 2020 +75
IMO people will also start selling karma for IRL $ since karma becomes a tradable virtual currency of Listnook
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InterimFatGuy Feb 25, 2020 +13
Let's talk about how karma allows people to be validated and advertised completely independent from the validity of what they're saying. I could say any ridiculous thing and if it is upvoted enough it gets more visibility than the actual truth. Also, any replies to said comment would invariably have less visibility because at best child comments are lower than parent comments and at worst they are collapsed or hidden behind "Show more comments."
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Life_is_a_meme Feb 24, 2020 +254
Would multiple accounts be able to donate to a singular account? There will most likely be bad actors accumulating karma through distasteful means to a dummy account, then distributing karma to their bots like some bank (or just shilling on the spot). Interesting idea, but feels really abusable. edit: bots not boys oof
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mobileuseratwork Feb 24, 2020 +101
/r/karmacourt now has to do financial forensic work to find where the karma went.
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DerekSavoc Feb 24, 2020 +52
Wouldn’t this incentivize the RWT of karma creating a market for those willing to farm karma making the problem worse?
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[deleted] Feb 24, 2020 +19
So you want to make shilling easier by setting up multiple bot accounts that can all just donate to a single account which on a glance would look legitimate?
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fallouthirteen Feb 24, 2020 +187
Is there still karma/vote fuzzing? Like sometimes, literally seconds after posting a reply it's at 2 (like I post and hit permalink and it's 2). And do votes sometimes not count. Like I'll hit up/down on something and then want to see context so I hit parent up the chain but on first parent I see it's still not changed, then I unvote and check again and it's still the same on refresh.
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Vet_Leeber Feb 24, 2020 +99
> Is there still karma/vote fuzzing? Yes, this can be easily confirmed by going to any comment of yours over a day old, and refreshing the page a few times. For anyone that doesn't know, it's theoretically an anti-spam/bot measure, the fuzzing makes it harder for the bot to detect if it's been caught. (though this is easily bypassed by simply having a different bot check the same page to see if it's visible....)
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fallouthirteen Feb 24, 2020 +27
Speaking of mechanics and visibility/information altering, any idea what's with the whole shadowban thing? I thought I read they did away with it but you still see it brought up and still see posts with 1 comment but no comments.
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Vet_Leeber Feb 24, 2020 +29
Careful bringing that subject up. You'll quickly get a lot of people trying to argue a technicality into oblivion. Yes, shadowbanning is definitely still a thing. One of the big problems with the discussion about it, though, is that there's site-wide and sublistnook-specific shadowbanning (technically, there's even thread-level shadowbanning; Lots of the big sublistnooks have automod set up for autoremoval of all future comments a user makes in a specific thread after a single comment gets caught by the filter). If you ***EVER*** mention a sublistnook shadowbanning someone, everyone will jump down your throat with a weird argument that you can only shadowban someone at the site-wide level. (less weird when you start noticing a significant majority of default sub mods are the same people) It's extremely easy to shadowban someone from a sublistnook with automoderator. > still see posts with 1 comment but no comments. That specifically isn't always as nefarious as you might think. Most large subs have a bunch of automod filters, and the "X comments" counter includes deleted comments. It's pretty easy to get comments caught in them. (Fun fact, I got banned in r/TIFU last year for sending in a modmail showing a bug in their filters lol) All that said, it's a useful tool. Sometimes people get a hard-on for spamming specific subs, and banning them will just make them make a new account before coming back. Shadowbanning the account is much more effective at stopping the spam for longer periods of time. The downside is just that it's an easy tool to abuse.
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Lester8_4 Feb 24, 2020 +2545
"110 requests from government entities to remove, *37%* of which we complied with." 50 of these requests were from Turkey. Interesting. I wonder which ones Listnook complied with and why.
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MaximusMatrix Feb 24, 2020 +664
How many alt accounts do you have?
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spez Feb 24, 2020 +945
Lots. But I don't use them. It's a bit of a pain, and I don't want to accidentally screw up. We're exploring a better system for alts to make this easier and safer.
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AJ_Black Feb 24, 2020 +508
I'd love an optional warning before posting if you have more than one account on a device. "You are posting as u/AJ_Black. Continue?"
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MauranKilom Feb 25, 2020 +69
FYI, Listnook Enhancement Suite has a reminder above the comment box. No option for a popup afaik, but you can get close enough.
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Roboboy3000 Feb 24, 2020 +666
What are some circumstances or reasoning Listnook provides as to why they refuse to comply with certain government/law enforcement information requests?
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spez Feb 24, 2020 +811
If the request is incomplete or otherwise not a valid legal process.
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Quetzalcutlass Feb 24, 2020 +112
Do the stats you posted take resubmissions into account? Say there are two requests, but the second needed to be resubmitted due to clerical errors before approval - depending on how you count things, that could be described as either a 66% or a 100% acceptance rate.
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Schuddebuik Feb 24, 2020 +1037
Thanks for the summary! I do have a question: why do some sublistnooks get banned, but others only get quarantined? Where exaclty lies the line between getting banned and getting quarentined?
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spez Feb 24, 2020 +1092
There are two broad reasons: The community is not violation our policies, but is trending in the wrong direction and we want to give them a warning; Or, the community is dedicated to something like anti-vaxxing, and a warning before entering that community is appropriate.
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RobloxianNoob Feb 24, 2020 +381
Would it be possible for moderators to change their sublistnook’s name if the only reason for the sublistnook being banned or quarantined is because if an offensive name?
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[deleted] Feb 25, 2020 +111
>The community is not [in] violation of our policies, but is trending in the wrong direction and we want to give them a warning Then why would a quarantine be necessary? Wouldn’t an actual *warning* suffice prior to quarantine? >the community is dedicated to something like anti-vaxxing, and a warning before entering that community is appropriate Why not allow users to determine for themselves? Also, quarantine isn’t just limited to a warning before entering. It eliminates the sub from all searches and feeds. This answer is disingenuous at best. The more obvious answer is that listnook is operating as a publisher rather than a platform. Just be transparent about it and apply quarantines on an even basis. The current status quo seems very lopsided at best.
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skylarmt Feb 24, 2020 +580
> trending in the wrong direction and we want to give them a warning ... [or] a warning before entering that community is appropriate r/waterniggas: ~~quarantined~~ ***permabanned*** r/hydrohomies: **not** quarantined r/watercrackers: **not** quarantined All three sublistnooks have essentially the same content, and two of them have race-related slang in the URL, but only one is quarantined. How does this fit in with your reasons to quarantine a sub?
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cyclicamp Feb 24, 2020 +140
Because /r/watercrackers has 300 follows and 10 posts, mostly ironically containing actual crackers, while /r/waterniggas was popping up on the front page daily. There’s thousands of sublistnooks and this one has probably never been reported or seen by an admin before today.
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[deleted] Feb 24, 2020 +182
Aren't communities built around national hatred and racism under this umbrella? Would a sub like /r/Chinesetourists fall under that category? There's content advocating for bombing Wuhan [here](https://old.listnook.com/r/Chinesetourists/comments/f8iidi/this_is_how_we_should_have_handled_wuhan/), comments advocating for genocide [here](https://old.listnook.com/r/Chinesetourists/comments/f8iidi/this_is_how_we_should_have_handled_wuhan/): > I say we nuke their entire continent and get rid of all these yellow Asian parasites. That's just a quick example I found. But I have seen similar content there before.
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spez Feb 24, 2020 +534
Yes, we've discussed this internally as way of increasing user safety. We haven't committed to our exact approach yet.
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[deleted] Feb 24, 2020 +138
I would really appreciate this as I’ve started thinking about the future of my privacy and how easy it is to look up any information. Having the ability to hide my comments vs delete them via third party browser extension gives me the chance to go back and look. However I see a large pitfall of this. A lot of users who spread damaging info and or misinformation get called out by their manipulative comment history. Hiding comments on their account would ultimately leave them better off. Maybe think about putting on the sidebar of our profiles a data chart of visited subs and active subs. Not the most of either category, but rather a full list with a breakdown of \#comments / posts and % of time in spent in a sublistnook. This would give us an idea of the mind associated to the user without giving us the insight to a user. Which while not perfect, is a way to continue to see who is being manipulative on listnook.
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Paddy_Tanninger Feb 25, 2020 +34
I think this entire site is much better off from having comment histories. If you want to post personal stories or potentially identifying information, then you'd use a different account for that kind of thing. I keep one account that I don't mind being traced back to my real self, and I post there accordingly. Then I keep another account that I shoot the shit with, share anecdotes, and f*** around on places like circlejerk, oldpeoplefacebook, etc. Those are the posts I'd rather not have tied back to me since it's all just a little too personal and revealing...like someone reading your journal.
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EpicSketches Feb 24, 2020 +553
When will you let us change our usernames?
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JohnStamosAsABear Feb 24, 2020 +437
What's the plan with the mobile browser? Why is listnook pushing the use of avatars so hard? r/mobileweb has been a frustrating experience watching thoughtful feedback by other users get ignored.
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AndThatIsWhyIDrink Feb 24, 2020 +1395
>When we expanded our quarantine policy, we created an appeals process for sanctioned communities. One of the goals was to “force subscribers to reconsider their behavior and incentivize moderators to make changes.” While the policy attempted to hold moderators more accountable for enforcing healthier rules and norms, it didn’t address the role that each member plays in the health of their community. Have any communities EVER been unquarantined under this policy or does it just exist to provide false hope to prevent these communities from becoming otherwise destructive on listnook? If some have been successfully unquarantined, which ones?
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mystshroom Feb 24, 2020 +823
What is Listnook doing to prevent its platform from being used to push Russian (and other) disinformation to influence the 2020 election in America? EDIT: Man, this question angered some Russians... EDIT 2: My inbox continues to blow up. Imagine it's your job to sow discord in America. Pretend facts aren't facts, reality isn't reality, etc. Now imagine someone asks Spez directly about that, and he responds. What would you do? You'd get all of your buddies to brigade that thread. Right? Right. Keep reading below and ask yourself how much you think is genuine, and how much you think isn't. If u/Spez is indeed committed to fixing this problem, he doesn't have to search for a case study.
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spez Feb 24, 2020 +642
We’ve been providing periodic updates in r/listnooksecurity and we’ll be sharing another one in the next week or so. tl;dr: Based on everything we know, we believe we are in good shape for 2020, and we're focusing our attention on communities that we believe are more susceptible to this sort of manipulation.
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BurntRussian Feb 24, 2020 +739
No question, but I really appreciate you sharing this information.
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StreamFamily Feb 24, 2020 +397
Government removal. Wonder how much was about HK.
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spez Feb 24, 2020 +914
As you can see from the report, none. In fact, r/HongKong was one of the fastest growing communities last year largely due to the protests.
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EditingAndLayout Feb 24, 2020 +296
How is your day going, fellow /r/HighQualityGifs mod?
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Knillish Feb 24, 2020 +381
Do you have a favourite popcorn flavour and if so, what is it?
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spez Feb 24, 2020 +826
I don't really like popcorn. You know how people who work at pizza parlors eventually become sick of pizza? It's like that.
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tgnuow Feb 24, 2020 +1335
spez I would like to ask some clarification on this: "Users who consistently upvote policy-breaking content within quarantined communities will receive automated warnings" Does this mean * every/any post inside a quarantined community * only posts that further break listnook rules and inside a quarantined community? Sorry if it's "reading comprehension", this new rule is actually a big one and some clear clarification would be much appreciated.
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[deleted] Feb 24, 2020 +28
I am thankful you posted this. I guess this is all the more reason why I should visit a quarantined community inside a private browser inside a VPN. As a guest when viewing and a throwaway account when posting. If only because it seems like the quarantine communities are Listnook tapping around not banning them but still hoping they will go away. With this new set of rules, it seems like a passive-aggressive means to encourage folks who like or use such communities to go away. This way there is the illusion of not actually censoring (technically) while censoring by proxy (in my opinion).
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sofiepige Feb 24, 2020 +1926
Why is there no limit to the amount of sublistnooks a user can moderate? It's ridiculous that very few power users can moderate over a hundred or more sublistnooks.
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CannedWolfMeat Feb 24, 2020 +212
There's no concievable way that someone could moderate more than ~10 mainstream sublistnooks, let alone a hundred. To add onto this comment, it's been proven that many of these accounts moderating multiple massive subs are doing so purely for their own selfish benefit. For example, [so they can delete "negative" comments](https://i.imgur.com/qIQRAxz.png) or even straight up [steal other user's posts and claim them as their own](https://www.listnook.com/r/trashy/comments/e5v2bl/the_mod_who_removed_a_post_here_reposted_it_on/?sort=top).
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Zmodem Feb 24, 2020 +29
I moderate quite a few subs, but I'm not a content moderator for most of them. I just generally provide CSS changes for `old.listnook.com` subs. Listnook does currently separate the different types of moderators, but some restrictions on stylesheet mods make it difficult to modify all aspects of a sub (such as being limited to the smaller set of tools available in the sidebar, as well as other things, like banning certain users to test user bans, etc). Also, CSS mods usually create new tester subs for every live sub for which they do stylesheet modifications. This is so we can test the new stylesheet changes out before applying them on the live sublistnook.
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jaguar717 Feb 24, 2020 +445
The single biggest improvement Listnook could make in that area is capping it at 2-3 subs max, returning mods from site-wide censors to helpful volunteers
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Meloetta Feb 24, 2020 +33
I agree but 2-3 is too low. I'm a mod on AITA and "mod" four sublistnooks because of that - a private one for mod discussion, /r/AITA to redirect people, a spinoff sublistnook that is only interacted with to remove the occasional "deleted-from-AITA" post, and the main one. On top of that I've got my own personal private sublistnook for testing and two cat-themed sublistnooks that rarely need mod intervention. In reality, I'm modding just AITA and very occasionally a cat post. In listnook terms, I'm modding 7 subs lol.
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HotWheelsMod Feb 24, 2020 +299
makes sense but you'll just get people with 30 accounts.
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[deleted] Feb 24, 2020 +149
Blows my mind people have that much free time on their hands, and what you're saying would 100% happen.
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gg-got-gg Feb 25, 2020 +16
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CannedWolfMeat Feb 24, 2020 +621
Two questions: - Do you have any plans to address the issue of "Power Mods", users who moderate an impossible number of major sublistnooks, and abuse their moderation powers to [delete "negative" comments on their own posts](https://i.imgur.com/qIQRAxz.png) or [steal other user's posts and claim them as their own](https://www.listnook.com/r/trashy/comments/e5v2bl/the_mod_who_removed_a_post_here_reposted_it_on/?sort=top), instead of using those powers to actively improve the communities they're supposed to be moderating? And secondly: - What is your opinion on the overuse of the comment locking feature? I can understand its use to prevent a thread from being spammed or brigaded, but nowadays any possibly controversial or differing viewpoint that gets posted is locked and all discussion is prevented. Doesn't this overuse of shutting down conversations go against the entire purpose of a message board/forum? *edit, can't spell
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SavorThePill Feb 24, 2020 +82
Yes, tyrannical mods can be a huge problem for some subs! I've seen a few subs where guidelines are strict and content removal is often par for the course. It just seems silly to even have a sub when most content doesn't even stay there. Also, the implications of allowing mods to frivolously exercise and abuse power reinforces hierarchical hegemony. Listnook should seek to allow a system for democratization of community rules so that users can have more say in the dealings of their respective communities. As it stands, Listnook's subs rule by oligarchy.
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sellyme Feb 25, 2020 +15
> I've seen a few subs where guidelines are strict and content removal is often par for the course. It just seems silly to even have a sub when most content doesn't even stay there. Seems perfectly sensible to me. As an example, /r/askscience wants to have serious and analytical discussion of science on their sublistnook. A lot of Listnook users don't understand that and post jokes, anecdotes, or straight-up falsehoods. Most of what gets posted there is "content", sure, but it's also actively against the point of the sublistnook, and removing it is completely appropriate.
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ButtsexEurope Feb 25, 2020 +60
Spez already said in the comment above you that they won’t. I’ve already been banned from three subs for calling out Gallowboob, who, btw, likes to call people faggots and is a mod of /r/drama.
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dickheadaccount1 Feb 25, 2020 +7
Do you understand that they want this? Like, they literally make this happen. They go in to "problem" sublistnooks and make them add the mods that the admins want to change the sublistnook. They also tell the mods that they aren't allowed to talk about it. They literally WANT a small group of ideologically homogeneous people to control all their sublistnooks. They just don't want to pay them.
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Rockadudel Feb 24, 2020 +171
As you see from these top comments many of listnook's users are unhappy with power mods and power users. There is pervasive abuse in control of subs and in karma farming. This behavior suppresses genuine voices and replaces them with stolen, astroturfed, freebooted, or otherwise curated and censored content. What's worse if we directly call out the abusive and suppressive behavior we are likely to have our objections removed and accounts banned. Countering foreign influence is important and needed, sure, but most of the corruption and interference on listnook comes from these abusive power mods/users. Regular users don't stand a chance in the face of power users with inorganic, bot-like posting habits and total immunity. We can't compete with this exploitative behavior and elitist control. Do the admins see a problem here? Is there any way to help us out?
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pcbuilder1907 Feb 25, 2020 +22
It's not even foreign powers by and large. It's domestic actors in the US manipulating most of the top voted content on Listnook. 100 comment but 5000+ upvote political submissions are far too common for it to be anything else.
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circle_of_lyfe Feb 25, 2020 +8
Basic rule in giving common people an administrative power to act on their own volition. Don’t give them an option to choose on their own volition or they will abuse it. That’s why in administrative law, when the administrators are given freedom to act on their own intuition (instead of codified law), the law provides them with a clear cut boundary in which they can’t go beyond and also provide the objective for their freedom so they won’t misuse it for anything else. This curtails them from doing anything for their own political purpose and act in accordance with law. Listnook seems to ignore it.
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banksy_h8r Feb 24, 2020 +124
How effective is listnook's bot-detection and management? There's large corporations and state actors both creating and buying old accounts and using them to manipulate the content on this site. Can you please publish more information about your countermeasures for this? I would even be in favor of allowing moderators to see origin-subnet hotspots on threads, account age stats, account "life" patterns, etc. Do you make those available? And, I know this is a big thing to ask, would it be possible for listnook to make data available to the general research community on this arms race? This kind of manipulation of content manipulation is a huge problem throughout the Internet, and it's getting worse. If one of the largest sites could make a comprehensive corpus available to researchers this would be a massive benefit for everyone.
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AntmanIV Feb 25, 2020 +21
>Can you please publish more information about your countermeasures for this? Sorry but, as a cybersecurity professional, I can tell you that this will never get an answer. If they release this info all it does is tell the bot writers what isn't effective so they can adapt. Sure, security through obscurity isn't great but as one layer of the onion it isn't hurting anything.
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LoptousTheEmperor Feb 25, 2020 +120
>When we [expanded our quarantine policy](https://www.listnook.com/r/announcements/comments/9jf8nh/revamping_the_quarantine_function/), we created an appeals process for sanctioned communities. One of the goals was to “force subscribers to reconsider their behavior and incentivize moderators to make changes.” While the policy attempted to hold moderators more accountable for enforcing healthier rules and norms, it didn’t address the role that each member plays in the health of their community. >Today, we’re making an update to address this gap: Users who consistently upvote policy-breaking content within quarantined communities will receive automated warnings, followed by further consequences like a temporary or permanent suspension. We hope this will encourage healthier behavior across these communities. That sounds terrible.
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[deleted] Feb 24, 2020 +580
Some time ago you removed many posts of r/france that criticize a scam called "Le Village de l'Emploi", just because this company asked you to remove these posts. It come to a point that "Le Village de l'Emploi" became a running gag on this sub, because your admins team keep removing some posts on the demand of the company. Edit : [here is the link to see the full context of the story](https://www.listnook.com/r/france/comments/ewsyzp/listnook_censored_our_discussions_about_a_scam_and/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share)
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Wokati Feb 25, 2020 +55
Should have added an actual question... "Can you explain the reasoning for blocking these posts in France under the pretense of 'local laws' when they were in no way illegal according French law?", something like that. Or "do you just plan on removing threads criticizing private companies just because they tell you to, now?"
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dingobingoshomwombom Feb 24, 2020 +28
There's been a lot of talk about "regulating" social media (in the US and other nations). There are people on both sides of the "free speech debate". Examples: * people who say that certain speech is being unfairly censored/removed (and shouldn't be) * people who say that certain speech (such as hate speech) should never be allowed anywhere Online communities and social media sites such as listnook is where most discussion seems to be happening nowadays. Decisions on allowing/disallowing content could have huge implications for current discussions and opinions being shared today, and could hugely affect online interactions in the future. What is listnook's opinion on this issue? What is your plan going forward? What role do you think social media plays in the discussions and interactions of today?
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probablyhrenrai Feb 25, 2020 +14
Spez is 100% in the "WrongThink exists, and people who think wrongly should be punished" camp. Check out this comments section again; there are a few comment-threads that center on it. Here's the exact quote from the Admin himself: >Today, we’re making an update to address this gap: Users who consistently upvote policy-breaking content within quarantined communities will receive automated warnings, followed by further consequences like a temporary or permanent suspension. **TL;DR: Simply upvoting the wrong things can now get you perm-banned.** F*** me.
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neonrideraryeh Feb 24, 2020 +54
Will more staff be added to help with /r/listnookrequest? It's got a backlog of over 2 months, which seems like that many of the people who are meant to do stuff on there are busy with other things, which causes the requests to continue to pile up. Perhaps it would be good to get some people on board who can focus more specifically on that and check the various requests for subs from people to decide which to approve; I'm sure there'd be no shortage of volunteers to help with that. :)
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Zorboid0rbb Feb 25, 2020 +41
I want to know how you address the issues with a bad abusive mods. There is a sublistnook (/r/India) which bans people for any political view that doesn't match their own. No warning, no temp ban. Just permanent. When reached out to them, they mute you for 72 hours. In fact, there is an entire sublistnook(/r/indiadiscussion) dedicated to people posting why they got banned. I have wrote admin emails but no response. Can you say what's your take on unfair perma bans from sublistnook, given how Listnook is a champion of free speech?
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Minifig81 Feb 24, 2020 +52
Spez. I appreciate and applaud the transparency. However, you never mention anything about spam control. There are sublistnooks devoted to catching spammers. I myself submitted a list of 20+ accounts that have been spamming the site for months and years, and sometimes I report them to /r/listnook.com weekly, and they're incredibly bad spammers, and they don't get caught. We moderators have been told "New spam controls" are coming soon for the last three years. Where are they ? What is listnook doing to help curve the plague that is spam? Do you want me to show you what I'm talking about with bad spammers? I understand it's backburner stuff, but its absurd to think we moderators are being left in the dark even after being told for ***three years*** that new things were coming to aid us, when we haven't heard a damn thing.
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cp5184 Feb 24, 2020 +285
Is listnook ever going to enforce it's rules on it's moderators particularly with regard to sublistnook bans? You ask sub mods why you got anonymously banned (because, perhaps understandably, listnook gave sub mods the ability to ban users anonymously, but which complicates mod accountability, e.g. listnook's own mod report form asks which mod you're reporting, but listnook lets mods do things anonymously) then you get modmail muted for 72 hours, rinse repeat. Looking at you /r/news. *edit* Oh, also, could you add a choice for the report post thing for advocating violence? "Encouraging or inciting violence"
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MrCheezyPotato Feb 24, 2020 +29
Only 2 subs have ever responded to me. Only 1 sub has ever not muted me. It's rather frustrating, particularly when the comment that got me banned doesn't actually violate anything - or if it's a grey area and I genuinely want to show my view.
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[deleted] Feb 24, 2020 +41
Similarly, /r/Canada has a mod who, during a national issue about blockades, is banning anyone who openly states the police should use reasonable force to enforce the law. My impression is that being a mod of a sub gives you the freedom to ban whomever you want to for whatever reason you want to. There's no "listnook court".
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cp5184 Feb 24, 2020 +26
Sublistnook mods can enforce the publicly listed rules. They can't enforce secret rules. They, implicitly, can't ban arbitrarily... Well... By listnook's rules they can't. In practice sub mods can and do ban arbitrarily them make a mockery of the appeal process. Being a sub mod is a hard job. I understand. But the sub mods break the rules and do bad jobs. There needs to be more accountability.
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Istartedthewar Feb 24, 2020 +63
Listnook needs a limit on how many subs one can mod. Some mega jannies who mod hundreds of sublistnooks are just pathetic, and they will ban you if you make a comment disagreeing with them, then just arbitrarily apply a reason for it. Also, there is no way for one single person to be actively modding so many subs and actually know the rules for them. Almost every sublistnook that regularly is on /r/all is at least partially ran by power tripping moderators.
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DirtyWonderWoman Feb 24, 2020 +41
Hi spez. I'd really like a better way to follow up with admins on moderator abuse. Local subs can get mods in there that block certain companies or people from posting over non-policy reasons. It'd be really great to be able to report moderator issues in a way similar to reporting posts.
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EHStormcrow Feb 25, 2020 +9
Listnook has been making some content unavailable for French listnookors on the national r/france sub, see https://www.listnook.com/r/france/comments/ewsyzp/listnook_censored_our_discussions_about_a_scam_and/ In a nutshell : following a thread where a listnookor mentioned a training course scam, we (the mods of r/france) received bogus legal threats from the people conducting the scam (Village de l'Emploi). We rejected their requests to delete the content, since there was no legal argument to be made in this regard. We eventually noticed that the content of the first thread had become unavailable to French users (but foreigners or VPN users could still it). This was brought up in several threads than ended up being made unavailable too. The admins did this without ever consulting the r/france mods. If they had, we would have informed them that the legalese invoked by Village de l'Emploi was total BS. I can understand Listnook wanting to protect itself and erring on the side of caution. In this case, erring on the side of caution meant screwing over the whole r/france community including the mods over baseless scare tactics. Also, our topic on r/modhelp to warn other mods was removed. Nice coverup. Any comment on this fiasco ?
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whatever0601 Feb 25, 2020 +16
Reminder that in 2015 listnook's warrant canary was tripped. The 2014 report said "As of January 29, 2015, Listnook has never received a National Security Letter, an order under the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, or any other classified request for user information." The 2015 report made no mention to that effect. /u/spez I would appreciate any comment regarding whether or not you can make any comment on this in 2020.
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Pax_Empyrean Feb 25, 2020 +58
> Today, we’re making an update to address this gap: Users who consistently upvote policy-breaking content within quarantined communities will receive automated warnings, followed by further consequences like a temporary or permanent suspension. We hope this will encourage healthier behavior across these communities. As if Listnook wasn't already geared toward generating groupthink, you're going to start threatening users for upvoting things that might violate your nebulously enforced rules? Obviously deliberate chilling effect is obviously deliberate.
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writechriswrite Feb 25, 2020 +38
/u/spez, I see that Listnook has been helpful in removing copyrighted content, but what about protecting the content of the creators who publish to Listnook? I am speaking specifically of /r/NoSleep, which has gone dark this week in protest of content thieves profiting from the work of the creators there: https://www.listnook.com/r/NoSleepOOC/comments/f5h023/important_announcement_please_read/ Is there anything Listnook can do or even better, is doing, to support the independent authors who find audiences and grow their careers on here? A number of writing careers have started on NoSleep, not to mention the number of films, television episodes and podcasts that have been generated by rightfully compensating authors for their work. It would be a shame if Listnook lost that outlet.
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Chaosritter Feb 25, 2020 +82
What the f*** is [this](https://i.redd.it/khdizroyxzi41.jpg) shit? Policing content is one thing, punishing people for *upvoting* content you don't like is 1984 levels of thought policing. What's next? You gonna ban people that downvote your advertisers? Report people to the authorities when they browse particular subs for too long?
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johnabc123 Feb 25, 2020 +15
> Speaking of the founding fathers, I ask him what he thinks they would have thought of Listnook. > > "A bastion of free speech on the World Wide Web? I bet they would like it" Alexis Ohanian, 2012 > Users who consistently upvote policy-breaking content within quarantined communities will receive automated warnings, followed by further consequences like a temporary or permanent suspension. We hope this will encourage healthier behavior across these communities. Steve Huffman, 2020
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Wxze Feb 25, 2020 +34
Hey, I am head moderator of r/askteenboys. What is it that causes Anti Evil to remove posts? Specifically relating to minors. For example, [this post about British accents got removed for no clear reason](https://www.listnook.com/r/askteenboys/comments/ezj6j0/why_do_americans_try_to_do_british_accents_which/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share). Another example here [this post isnt that sexual](https://www.listnook.com/r/askteenboys/comments/f3gnsn/boxers_or_tight_underwear/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share). Thanks!
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thigh_squeeze Feb 25, 2020 +14
Hello Mr. Admin, I'm a moderator for r/askteengirls. We would also like to know exactly what are the parameters of no nsfw posts relating to minors. What is ok, what is not?
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crainfly Feb 24, 2020 +82
>Listnook received **110 requests** from government entities to remove content, of which we complied with **37.3%**. Why were 62.7% rejected? Was it due to them being not legally valid? If so, which countries laws do you operate within, since I imagine you have servers in multiple different countries, which then could be under different and possibly conflicting laws? *Edit: maths is hard*
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AnUnlikelyUsurper Feb 24, 2020 +72
From 2014 to 2017, listnook complied with about 60% of government requests for user information. This rose sharply to 77% in 2018 and has dropped slightly to 70% in 2019. Why is listnook so much more compliant with government requests now than it was just a few years ago in 2017 for instance? |Year|Compliance rate| :-:|:-:| |2014|58%| |2015|60%| |2016|62%| |2017|61%| |2018|77%| |2019|70%|
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Greedothehunter Feb 24, 2020 +23
What goes into the process of giving account information to law enforcement that allows for more non-emergency cases to be accepted than emergency cases? Also is emergency vs non-emergency determined by the law enforcement agencies or by Listnook?
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Tyler_Zoro Feb 24, 2020 +29
I know that you can't talk about the removal of the "[canary](https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-cyber-listnook-idUSKCN0WX2YF?utm_source=listnook.com)" but I'm curious about your general opinion on whether more such efforts can be made and what sorts of other "canaries" we should be pushing for from other services as well as listnook?
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Yunadan Feb 25, 2020 +22
https://www.listnook.com/r/announcements/comments/9jf8nh/revamping_the_quarantine_function/e6r3t6j?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x As much as I like Listnook, I find it harder and harder each year to be apart of such a website. As a website that has anonymity, "Forcing subscribers to reconsider their behaviour and incentivize moderators to make changes," isn't the way to go. What's the point of being anonymous if you are being doxed by moderators or admins? Not only that, but if you are in a quarantined community, you are in there for a reason. People don't join sublistnook communities for nothing, we do it for hobbies, or common interest, or just to troll. Essentially what I see happening is listnook doing quality control. You are going into communities even you don't like and then you are moderating the people. What kind of freedom is that? I'm not saying that people who break policies should be punished, but you are literally taking away from a sublistnook, because the opinion of the few aren't as popular as the rest of the communities. When I first came to listnook, I never once thought of being reformed, I didn't think that someone would make me want to join the rest of surface listnook. These quarantines and shutouts of other communities is not for everyone, which likewise you can understand. But also, they are peoples opinions, they are people's views, if you start handing out suspensions for different views then you are giving unhealthy behaviour across the communities. u/spez my guy, why do you force people to submit to a certain viewpoint? Blocking off peoples views, censoring content, and even changing people's comments, you essentially have taken away anonymity. How can I stay anonymous if I post something controversial and I get temporarily banned for my opinion. Why do you boost small communities, but put down others? If I was apart of r/the_donald, would my r/popular contain other quarantined communities because that's the type of sublistnooks I follow? You shouldn't force anything on someone who wants to stay anonymous or it gets rid of the whole point. I appreciate everything you do listnook team, but in the last decade, listnook has become less spread out and more linear to content. We follow the instagram format, with youtube videos, and imgur memes. Soon we will follow the tik tok formula, it seems like we are trying to be a clone of everything that's popular. As much as there is content on listnook, it's modified and selected that the content is all common. I don't get surprised when I open r/all anymore, I don't question why listnook is imploding or why one post is at the top and eventually brigaded to hell. In all the rest of the years that listnook prospers, we fall more and more into another generic pattern of censorship.
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[deleted] Feb 25, 2020 +17
They won't even tell you which comment you upvoted that was wrong think... They don't give a f***. Your speech is violence to their sensitive eyes.
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[deleted] Feb 25, 2020 +6
What a fantastic post..... "While I have your attention... I’d like to share an update about our thinking around quarantined communities. When we expanded our quarantine policy, we created an appeals process for sanctioned communities. One of the goals was to “force subscribers to reconsider their behavior and incentivize moderators to make changes.” While the policy attempted to hold moderators more accountable for enforcing healthier rules and norms, it didn’t address the role that each member plays in the health of their community. Today, we’re making an update to address this gap: Users who consistently upvote policy-breaking content within quarantined communities will receive automated warnings, followed by further consequences like a temporary or permanent suspension. We hope this will encourage healthier behavior across these communities." Let me state this is more realistic, and accurate terms. We didn't like or agree with the things being said in some subs, but we really didn't want to look like "big brother" by shutting them down 1984 style, so we chose to instead bully them with a "quarantine" into submission and that thoughts that we find appropriate to have. That failed miserably because they continued to use their subs and continued to not violate any rules for which we could take more drastic action against them. We've come up with a new strategy, that will allow us to punish those people for continuing to use those subs that don't think in an admin approved way, and disrupt those sub through making upvoting the means by which to punish the users. Our hope is to jettison the users of those subs though this bullying and harassment program to the point that the subs simply don't exist anymore, and we can finally close them down, because we can't justify just installing shill moderators to those subs at this time. It doesn't have that PC ring to it.. but it is far more accurate to the actually point behind this policy. Jesus christ.. What next? Officially sanctioned Snoo shock collars that monitor your thoughts and dreams and give you a jolt when a Listnookor has a thought that is not deemed healthy for consumption by U/Spez? I have been a Listnook user on an off for many years, and I have to say with each year it becomes a bigger and bigger fecal filled dumpster fire year over year.
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N123A0 Feb 24, 2020 +59
when are you going to do something about u/Gallowboob , or do you make too much money off him to care about his abusive behavior?
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thxxx1337 Feb 24, 2020 +461
Guilding a post by u/spez is like paying him twice with currency he sold you. Fascinating
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Derf_Jagged Feb 24, 2020 +57
Regarding sublistnook brigading, is there a chance of getting a feature to force non participation (np) onto users coming from another sub? For instance, /r/Soda gets lots of users coming from /r/hydrohomies and a few other "water" related sublistnooks and spamming when we're not a meme sublistnook (see our ban log). If we could set non participation from people whose last visited link was /r/hydrohomies, this problem could be resolved without having to try and get the other sublistnooks to help cross moderate. Thanks for this report, it builds trust.
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HauntedFurniture Feb 24, 2020 +1435
> Users who consistently upvote policy-breaking content within quarantined communities will receive automated warnings, followed by further consequences like a temporary or permanent suspension. Upvotecrime: the new thoughtcrime
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[deleted] Feb 25, 2020 +37
https://www.listnookhelp.com/en/categories/listnook-101/listnook-basics/reddiquette > Vote. **If you think something contributes to conversation, upvote it.** If you think it does not contribute to the sublistnook it is posted in or is off-topic in a particular community, downvote it. /r/spez maybe you should change the listnookquette page? This new policy goes against this.
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CSFFlame Feb 24, 2020 +521
> One of the goals was to “force subscribers to reconsider their behavior and incentivize moderators to make changes.” While the policy attempted to hold moderators more accountable for enforcing healthier rules and norms, it didn’t address the role that each member plays in the health of their community. TL;DR: This sublistnook isn't breaking the rules but we want to quarantine them anyway, so we've made up this new set of rules that we can apply to ANY SUBLISTNOOK specifically to prevent them from ever being unquarantined. Edit: People are getting warned for upvoting things... but there's no link or description of what got them the warning. https://i.imgur.com/wxbGxwH.png
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[deleted] Feb 25, 2020 +23
>You recently upvoted a post or comment that was determined to be against our policies #SOCIAL LISTNOOK SCORE *Greetings, user. You recently upvoted a post or comment that was determined to be against the good wishes of the prosperous Listnook corporation. Your Social Listnook Score has been affected. Your comments will now be rate-limited to one every thirty minutes. Do not fret. Your right to unlimited comments will be reinstated if you perform any of the following:* * *Delete the violating posts or comments.* * *Upvote posts or comments in line with what is acceptable in our policies.* *Failure to perform as requested may further affect your Social Listnook Score and potentially result in the mandatory re-Redducation program being invoked.* *All hail the glorious Listnook admins.*
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mishmiash Feb 25, 2020 +35
They don't eant users to learn, they want user to only think like they think. That's why they provide no link, you can't learn from "mistakes", you have to be a perfectly obediant puppet, or you're not allowed. If Listnook gets shut down for election tampering, nobody will cry on it's corpse.
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FinnishFriday Feb 24, 2020 +317
Literally the only thing that could drive people away from Listnook faster is if they actually forced the shitty redesign onto everyone. Even Listnook isn't that f****** stupid, yet... Thankfully I stopped going to /r/all /r/popular and have stuck to my subs. 95% of this site is a f****** dumpster fire.
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[deleted] Feb 25, 2020 +89
The re-design doesn't even work with half of their native features, it's ridiculous it still exists in the first place.
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[deleted] Feb 25, 2020 +22
Redesign? I’m still browsing through narwhal so everything looks the same to me. Of course I can’t see people shitty awards and there’s a glitch where I can’t message moderators... but f*** if I care.
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Inaros_Prime Feb 25, 2020 +73
Oh and I can promise you those suspensions will be applied impartially across the board. Take one joke from one sub "are we still using ______ fluid or is it gender neutral fluid now?" and I guarantee you those users will all get suspended. But another sub will "kill the rich people! Where are the guillotines?!?" will probably just get the comment removed.
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HWGA_Gallifrey Feb 25, 2020 +19
Meh, admins can eat my **[admin censored]**. They don't reign in rogue mods on the mainstream sublistnooks and quarantine the offbeat ones. This place is a cesspool of censorship that's slowly circling the drain. I just hope the next website that replaces this digital outhouse is better. Now they're gonna "warn" me for thinking the wrong things? Bite my shiny, metal **[admin censored]**. I'm gonna make a new listnook! With b********...and hookers!
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NCRforever Feb 24, 2020 +61
Don’t worry you can just make a new acc- I mean never use Listnook again since you’ve received a permanent ban, of course.
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lookatmyfangs Feb 25, 2020 +12
It is done to scare casual users away for "undesirable" communities in an effort to suppress them. But no, let's just keep letting Listnook and almighty Spez decide what is and isn't "undesirable".
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EricTheBlonde Feb 24, 2020 +339
I'm concerned about Gallowboob's abuse of power as a mod of most large subs. Is there anything you can do about it?
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jaywinston Feb 24, 2020 +72
I think it's fair to say that [Spez is a fan](https://www.listnook.com/user/GallowBoob/comments/7a5skm/when_uspez_calls_you_a_cow/)
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[deleted] Feb 24, 2020 +131
If you are not banned from dozens of subs within the next 48 hours, I will be genuinely surprised.
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ReturnoftheSnek Feb 25, 2020 +83
Gallowboob is an overly sensitive karmawhore. I’ll report back if he proves me right.
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The_DiCaprio_Code Feb 25, 2020 +10
No but we can band together as a unit and mass-downvote every single bit of 'content' he posts. Just cut him off by the arms. Come at me /u/Gallowboob fight me irl bro. You don't want none of this 💪
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hans611 Feb 24, 2020 +114
>Today, we’re making an update to address this gap: Users who consistently upvote policy-breaking content within quarantined communities will receive automated warnings, followed by further consequences like a temporary or permanent suspension. We hope this will encourage healthier behavior across these communities. Very ominous. Every day, listnook strains farther from its original values, wonder what users from 5-10 years ago would think of the site now.
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bhartiy638 Feb 25, 2020 +28
r/India has been involved in some serious brigading lately. Mods do not want average Indians there, they just want to push their ideology. People are banned for no reason (other than having different political views). That sub is supposed to represent all of India but mods destroyed that sub as it has turned highly intolerant towards us average Indians. Please give us Indians our community back.
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__87- Feb 25, 2020 +57
Why is r/waterniggas still quarantined? It's literally about drinking water.
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iamunderstand Feb 24, 2020 +50
Remember when you guys added the 'surveillance canary' to your transparency report a few years ago and it promptly disappeared? What happened there?
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hamakabi Feb 25, 2020 +36
obviously they were issued a warrant. that's what a canary is. it died. Since then, you should assume that they have complied with any and all warrants for user information.
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skeptic11 Feb 24, 2020 +42
Note that the canary has been dead since 2015: https://www.listnook.com/r/announcements/comments/4cqyia/for_your_reading_pleasure_our_2015_transparency/d1knc88/
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[deleted] Feb 25, 2020 +3
This will get buried but I'd be remiss If i didnt make a final comment before I head to the door. I've been a "listnookor" for close to 10 years now. I've had various accounts and been active in numerous sublistnooks over that time period. When I first lurked, listnook was considered "the best secret on the internet" and was truly a unique place to have genuine conversations and, excluding explicitly illegal material, was a bastion of free speech. But you got bigger and with more popularity came more money. Would your vision for Listnook change when money became involved? Of course it would. Unfortunately that's the way of things. You sacrificed your integrity as an organization. There's no denying that. You play partisan politics, you appease foreign governments, you destroyed the very thing that made you great - free speech. Time for me to get a life. Bye.
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[deleted] Feb 25, 2020 +14
> Users who consistently upvote policy-breaking content within quarantined communities will receive automated warnings, followed by further consequences like a temporary or permanent suspension. We hope this will encourage healthier behavior across these communities. The policies are so vague that you are just giving yourself permission to censor whatever you don't like. And promote only the things you like. That's basically how Hitler rose to power. You're digging your own grave.
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tearans Feb 24, 2020 +74
When there was controversy about BlackPeopleTwitter (asking for skin color proof, restricted access based on color of skin). I created sublistnook with 1:1 rules and got instantly quarantined despite having zero content restricted by skin color and clearly stating that sub serves to proof of listnook double standards. So the question is: why do you hold double standards?
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nonamenumber3 Feb 24, 2020 +62
What is Listnook doing about cancerous power mods that are clearly making your platform a worse place?
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Beckels84 Feb 24, 2020 +14
Can your team think about affixing a charity function to awards, if not Listnook-wide than maybe allow individual subs to give this option? What I mean is, we buy coins and give pointless awards (and coins) to posts. Can part of these proceeds go to charity? If I receive 200 coins, can I designate a charity through my profile and donate $2 to that charity? Or individual subs can designate that when some of their unique awards are used, they send money to a sub-sponsored charity?
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