Stabbings on New York subway leaves 3 hurt as officers shoot knife-wielding man

I can confirm that being stabbed is annoying as hell.

Well, that _would_ explain a lot.

That fact is not fun at all.

We are culturally a much more violent people.

Fun fact, the US has overall higher rates of just about every other type of murder... *until* you get to gun murder... and then it is just *astronomical*.

Americans are more desperate than the British. Poverty without safety nets creates crime.

I'm shocked. Shocked, I say. 😑

Usual suspects 

If you’ve been to NYC or live there, you should know that this is not the case for the vast majority of the perpetrators of subway incidents who are mostly crackheads and people who genuinely want to hurt others. You don’t push people into the tracks, stab people, burn people, beat people to death, etc. as a response to poverty.

[That Florida case was especially fucked up.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_Miramar_shootout) You can always count on the police to kill the robbers, the hostage, and some random bystanders.

I think the first link is probably the most well-known incident, the police shot *nine bystanders.*

She sucks? She's been cleaning house from inside. She can't rock the boat either but she's absolutely been making reforms over time. You can't just make an organization with over a hundred years of internal culture and processes change on a whim and not expect potentially devastating backlash. She has to play the game to seem agreeable to the existing power structures to avoid them undermining her. 2 months ago she announced a slate of new changes for this year: https://www.nyc.gov/site/nypd/news/PR003/commissioner-tisch-new-strategies-keep-new-yorkers-safe-improve-officer-training-and which among other things, further reforms their training into annual week long training with a focus on de-escalation. That's not something you pull off coming in like a wrecking ball in a 4 year term. Politics man, it's no different from the private sector too.

I mean I'm not sure what anyone expected Tisch to say, she's going to back her people 99/100 times. She wasn't going to be like, "these specific cops were crybaby pussies" (even though we know that was the case). I also think there wasn't any huge reason to change the commissioner just based on trending crime statistics alone. If he makes a change and crime trends the other way, he gets killed politically. I kinda applaud Mamdani for staying the course and if there really is some kind of friction that he can't overcome I can see him making a change at the drop of a hat.

Pretty impressive that she comes from a billionaire family and still chooses to work, especially meaningful work. 

lol, it’s the first time you’ve read about it because a machete wielding maniac was part of the crime

I think there was also another case where they just let someone die on a subway years prior to that one. I think that one re-affirmed that no, cops don't have to protect you at the risk of their lives.

Do you genuinely believe that it is possible to rehabilitate someone who ends up attacking senior citizens with a machete?

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I mean… if it was about vengeance, political persecution, and providing c**** slave labor wouldn’t it have been more reasoning to just keep him in the jail? Clearly that’s not what’s happening if he keeps getting released.

Everyone us talking about reactionary solutions instead addressing the fundamental problems. It is possible to be proactive by providing free universal healthcare and intervene before people start committing crimes. It's not a solution that will stop crime RIGHT NOW or even all crime, but it will absolutely cut down crime more than any life sentence will.

Not to be argumentative here because it sounds like you and I are largely on the same side, but I’m not sure anything I said disputes your claims here. I did explicitly said the ultimate goal of our judicial system should be rehabilitation. It becomes a little bit of an apples to oranges situation comparing our large country with so many different levels of government to a small European country. Governance at a smaller level like that just leads to better results. I’m not some libertarian who wants to downsize the government per se, but too many cooks in our kitchens does make it harder to agree. Again, there’s way to fix this. Part of that might start at even restructuring like how we elect officials (i.e. I would love ranked choice voting) but I digress because that’s a different topic. It does become a chicken and the egg scenario with crime as you can argue better rehabilitation leads to safer communities, or that safer communities lead to less crime in the first place. But we need to find immediate solutions to address recidivism WHILE keeping our cities safe. You can’t have one without the other and expect meaningful change in the long run. I’d love to see things like better mental health services, proper education, and work programs for those currently or previously incarcerated. I’d be very happy with my tax dollars going towards that. But those changes will be slow and take a while and unfortunately a bunch of people who can’t think in terms of long term solutions prevent any wheels from getting greased, and while they muck up the whole thing we should keep our streets safe. Again, it’s a multifaceted problem with lots of moving parts and a complicated timeline. Until the rehabilitation and recidivism issues get fixed lots of places are just less safe than they could be and it’s just not a great way to run things. Keep our cities safe in the short term to appease the conservative folk. Work on proper rehabilitation to fix the root cause and appease progressives (who, again, I would like to reiterate I think are fully on the right side of things). In the end we can make everyone happy if we all agree to see the other sides take on things. Because right now we have little middle ground and everyone’s mad lol. I’d also just like to throw out there I’m not an expert in crime or anything but I’m a teacher in a top 15 city in America (in terms of population). So I see some of the inner workings of the government, systemic failures, and keep up with my local news. That’s about it, but again, I’m far from an expert in these affairs. Not trying to say I’m 100% right about anything here.

Of course, they live in a bubble, where they think their deep red states/red areas are perfect utopias, not riddled with high crime and poverty, among other problems. That's not to excuse places like California and many other blue areas which have their own challenges, but this idea that conservatives are better on crime is a farce; a myth.

Can you provide specific examples? Because a lot of the time it's actually: "The cops failed to actually provide evidence needed to properly charge and the state didn't try to push it an obviously unsupported charge through anyways" or "the state failed to actually argue why the charged person should remain in custody rather than be granted bail" or so on.