[According to the showrunners](https://gizmodo.com/how-star-city-will-be-completely-different-from-for-all-mankind-2000738042):
>“It was very important to us that the show not feel like a companion piece to For All Mankind that is just mimicking,” Wolpert said. “So this is not a show that jumps in time, actually. It lives in the 1970s. Cold War, spy thriller behind the Iron Curtain. And it’s just that era. And it also, creatively, is more interesting because… the beginning of season two picks up right where season one left off. We don’t have to figure out 10 years of life [in between].”
>“We’re done with the decade time jumps and the makeup and the prosthetics,” Nedivi said for Star City. “For us, the only reason to do a spin-off is if it feels like its own thing. It feels like you’re really adding a different element. So for us, this show is not only its own show; it’s its own genre. It’s a totally different look, feel. And it really came through.”
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DacStreetsDacAlright2 days ago
+30
But why does this show look like an expensive high quality production and For All Mankind is looking like a CW show now? Especially when this isnt a million miles from what For All Mankind looked like it in its first 2 seasons.
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jacoblanier5712 days ago
+21
Apple wanted a loss leader to get people to buy into Apple TV Plus. They overspent, and blew everyone away, and now that its time to recoup, they don't want to keep the same standard.
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Pickupyoheel2 days ago
-13
Sounds boring
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Hummer77x2 days ago
+20
They should’ve made a series about North Korea just hurling capsules at Mars to see what would happen
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loves_grapefruit1 day ago
-3
Out of all the stretches in FAM that was certainly a choice…
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ANerd221 day ago
The show jumped the shark when it pivoted from the moon to mars
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loves_grapefruit1 day ago
+1
There are a lot of instances where we’re expected to suspend disbelief at ever increasing levels. But building a Martian city in 10 years full of undocumented immigrants who snuck there by taking the months long journeys inside of crates really took the cake.
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Vegetable-Cod76682 days ago
+65
was hoping it would focus on the engineering side of things but it looks like your typical hollywood depiction of the ussr. the cosmonauts involved have always been heroes of mine, the transition from a complete rural society to sending people to space is mind boggling
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FakeRealGirl2 days ago
+26
FWIW, Russia *had* been modernizing under the tsars. A large part of how the revolutions were able to happen was that rapid industrialization was bring huge amounts of workers together where they could organize faster than a 19th century-style autocratic monarchy could adapt. Similarly, railroad expansion allowed Nick 2 to send unfathomable amounts of soldiers to a front that was relatively small (compared to the immense breadth of the Russian Empire), where they could all meet people from all over Eurasia and discuss how mych they hated being shipped to the front.
Your point is essentially true, the USSR made an absolute ton of technological progress starting from pretty abysmal conditions. But it wasn't exactly a *complete* rural society, as urbanized industrial cores were essential to the formation of the Soviets and the eventual February and then October revolutions.
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ViskerRatio2 days ago
+6
> the transition from a complete rural society to sending people to space is mind boggling
Russia industrialized later than Great Britain or the United States, but it industrialized under the Tsars and was already considered industrialized nation by the time the First World War broke out. The timeline is similar to Japan or Italy.
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Triskan2 days ago
+2
Yeah, as much as I love *For All Mankind*, I just cant hype myself up for *Star City*... I would understand it as a mini-series tightly focused on what allowed the Soviets to land on the moon first, but I'm not sure I'm really interested for a cold war spy thriller drama. We got our fair share of those.
And I'd be much more interested to learn more about the USSR in *FAM*'s present timeline, we dont have much about them in the latest season... Are we to assume Star City will be a similar quasi-anthology jumping decades every season? And if so, will we have to wait for five season of the show before catching up?
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XXHornyOnMainXX4202 days ago
-3
Edit: Seems y'all disagree, and would prefer the Soviets remain a 2 dimensional comic book villain lacking depth or substance, fair enough.
Original:
For All Mankind has a problem with depicting the USSR as anything other than a cardboard cutout made of stereotypes. For as much research as they did on space science, it feels like they did none on the Soviet Union. In the present season it's essentially just the Russian Federation in all but name.
I'm not a Soviet apologist, it was corrupt and dictatorial regime that was highly totalitarian in its earlier years. However it was also a lot of other things more than that. It was a complex state that had inexorably linked it's utopian ideology to the core of the national identity. It was both a Russian dominated empire, and a multi ethnic union of peoples. It was obsessed with winning the argument, and representing a true alternative to American dominated western liberal capitalism. Showing the USSR as embracing capitalism while being a successful viable state (as the show did a season or two back) betrays a complete lack of understanding of what the USSR was or represented. Russia embraced capitalism only after the communist ideology and economic system has been so completely and thoroughly discredited by the collapse of their country.
I'm glad the writers of For All Mankind got some space science people in the writers room, but would it have killed them to get even one political scientist so that their depiction of the USSR could be elevated above literally just copying exactly what happened IRL for their alternative timeline show. I mean, why not have the Soviets invest in OGAS and the Cybernetic projects to explain their economic turnaround? Or have Gorbachev replaced by a more politically deft reformer? Or maybe they mend the Sino Soviet split? For an alternative timeline show, they really lacked imagination.
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Wonderful_Fox_79591 day ago
+1
The industrialization of America post civil war was even crazier.
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Merker62 days ago
-7
It only took multiple million-death famines, subjugation of eastern Europe and hauling Nazi scientist to do most of the work requiring brains (that Russia would have had if Stalin hadn’t painted walls across the USSR with his native ones)
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PainStorm141 day ago
+2
>hauling Nazi scientist to do most of the work requiring brains
NASA isn't Russian
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Sherringdom2 days ago
+7
Cast looks great and my favourite part of for all mankind was this era and the early space stuff so I’m excited for this.
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ObviouslyTriggered2 days ago
+6
Priveit Bobinski!
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__Pendulum__1 day ago
+2
Ne "Priviet Bobinski" Pro Menya!
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hamlet90002 days ago
+6
They must be saving Green Arrow for the second trailer.
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ymcameron2 days ago
+6
The best seasons of For All Mankind were when it was still set during an alternate-universe space race in the 60s & 70s, so I’m really excited for this!
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funkhero2 days ago
+3
Really don't understand the point of this. Yeah, I get we'll see these years from the Russian side. But, anything really of note that happened was already discussed in FAM.
The only things that can happen on this show can't really have much of an impact on the world. Well, we'll see how it goes.
Also, I'm less interested now that they say there is no time jumping.
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getrektytorumble1 day ago
+1
can i watch this without watching mankind? I just didnt get interested with mankind but this trailer does look good
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CandidBee86951 day ago
+1
Star city Morgantown
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__Pendulum__1 day ago
+1
I was already excited, but hoo boy that looks great!
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ExF-Altrue1 day ago
Jesus christ, tone it down with the film grain, it' looks like chernobyl irradiated everything before its time lmao
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Chill4xed15 hr ago
lol. "How much film grain do you want on this?" "YES."
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ragner112 days ago
+2
Why are the accents British ?
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chris44042 days ago
+9
I'm going to assume it's similar to the conclusion they made for HBO's Chernobyl, noting Soviet accents on Western screens have long been a punchline, and Russian speakers often dislike seeing their language “butchered and mocked”.
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Joe_Snuffy1 day ago
+3
Because it's an English language show
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ragner111 day ago
+1
That’s a silly reply, it is based on the Soviet Union. Plenty of English language shows reflect the accents of the nations or multi states that the characters reside in
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JohnnySkynets1 day ago
+1
Also FAM does Ruzzian accents. Strange choice to switch it up
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Spurgette2 days ago
Was for all mankind any good? I watched the first episode years ago and was not too impressed with it.
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forgotmyusern2 days ago
+5
It's great. It looks kinda c**** in places but once you get past that and get to know the characters it's hooks you in. I'd recommend you give it a few episodes. If you don't like it by midpoint season 1 it's probably not for you.
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Spurgette1 day ago
+1
Yeah I have noticed some shows take a bit to really get their hooks into you. I have it all downloaded and on my very big tv show backlog. I will get around to watching it and will give it a fair go.
If I could get a truck driving job that takes me out of my city on overnight runs, I would load my shows onto a portable hard drive and make myself get through the backlog that way. I have too many other things to distract myself with at home sadly.
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superchibisan22 days ago
-1
Looks entertaining but also it's really weird that the russians all have english accents.
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Efficient_Paper2 days ago
+17
It’s a fairly common convention. Look at the *Chernobyl* miniseries or *The Hunt for Red October*.
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fcosm2 days ago
+2
or my favourite example: The Death of Stalin, where different british accents represented the different origins of the characters
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quietly412 days ago
+3
Right but they didn't do that at all in For All Mankind, so it's odd. I suspect the reason is because this is just Russia, but if the series does well, and Margo shows up, it's going to be weird
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OkayAtBowling2 days ago
+3
Margo won't be showing up because they aren't doing the 10-year time jumps between seasons. Subsequent seasons are just going to continue where the previous one left off and the whole show will be set in the 70s. The showrunners have said they want this show to feel like its own thing and not just a companion piece to For All Mankind.
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TheDeadlySinner23 hr ago
+1
> Right but they didn't do that at all in For All Mankind
Because FAM isn't translating the dialogue. When they speak english with a russian accent, they are literally speaking english with a russian accent in the show. Otherwise, they just speak russian. They do this because we don't spend much time with the russians.
In Star City, they are speaking russian 100% of the time, but it's translated in the dialogue, similar to Chernobyl. They technically could make everything subtitled russian, but I doubt Apple would fund that show, especially when they can't sell it in russia. Plus, there's a very limited pool of established russian speaking actors, and FAM already took most of them.
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FakeRealGirl2 days ago
+1
Hunt For Red October is my favorite example, because the Russians have English accents, but people from all the other various republics have other British/commonwealth accents. Most notably, Connery's character obviously has a Scottish accwnt, as do all the other Latvian characters. It's been decades since I've seen it, so I don't remember exactly, but it's something like Ukrainians having Irish accents, Moldovans having Welsh, etc.
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Efficient_Paper2 days ago
+3
I’ve seen it a couple years ago, and I don’t remember if that many soviet characters have their exact nationality stated. Apart from Sean Connery and Sam Neill, plus the higher-up whose name I forgot that inspects the sub early in the film, very few of the crew are named IIRC.
My favorite example is *Warrior* from Cinemax/HBO max. Most of the time the Chinese characters use the same convention, but there are several times where they are actually speaking English in-universe, and most of them are far from fluent, so you have a bunch of bilingual actors speaking a worse than usual English.
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FakeRealGirl2 days ago
+1
I've never read Hunt for the Unread October, but my Russian studies professor said the book goes into a little more detail about the various crew members.
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SandysBurner1 day ago
+1
The Last Temptation of Christ does something similar, with Romans having British accents and Jews having Brooklyn accents.
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superchibisan22 days ago
-1
Oh I know... Chernobyl was great but also was just weird that everyone was english and with prominent english actors
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SandysBurner1 day ago
+1
It would be even weirder if they were all speaking English with crappy Russian accents.
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quietly412 days ago
-2
I get that some Russian stories don't have Russian accents, but usually it's just Russian characters, what happens when people from other countries show up? Seems like an odd choice, and a bit lazy
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DrPaisa2 days ago
-3
Luckily it's russia so they can't shoehorn the boring everybody is gay agendas
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blokedog2 days ago
-1
Ugh. I thought this was going to continue FAMK with the Mars settlement. Now I'm losing interest.
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earhere2 days ago
-8
Will we ever get any western media that portrays the Soviet Union in a positive light
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XXHornyOnMainXX4202 days ago
Or at the very least, a more complex and accurate light that goes beyond stereotypes about the surveillance state?
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OdahP2 days ago
-4
This show will burn and crash for obvious reasons.
FAM is all the matters.
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