Star Trek: Starfleet Academy Actor Says Season 2 Is “GAY AF,” Vows To Go Out “In Flames”

I mean the Klingons maintained technological parity with the Federation for centuries. They clearly had doctors and scientists who did exactly this.

There have to be intellectual Klingons, as they are capable of space travel and scientific discovery after all.

> A Klingon doctor Done in Enterprise Season 4 circa 2004. A mutagenic plague threatens Klingon civilization, and a Klingon virologist is set the task of finding a cure, as the alternative is the Klingon military just using orbital bombardment to wipe out infected colonies. Also, Enterprise Season 2 has a Klingon advocate (lawyer) as a public defender in a show trial, in an episode which is basically fan service for The Undiscovered Country.

Yes. But what if we wrote the character as a stereotype generic, weak, white, gay, effeminate and anxious doctor. BUT put a bit of Klingon prosthetics on him and occasionally have people are a comment about him not being like other Klingons. Or occasionally mention his troubles growing up - ah shit we would have done that even if he wasn't a Klingon. Up next, a generous Ferengi who is just the generic college liberal girl who gives it all to activism/charity/church. But in a Ferengi costume! And a Vulcan, who is just a stoner with pointy ears. Then, in the series finale, it turns out they were just a human who loved LoTR and got elf surgery, but learnt it was less embarrassing to just say you are a Vulcan. I am definitely ready to get hired as a writer! I haven't even seen an episode of this new show.

If I remember correctly, Klingons had a sort of vassal system in place with conquered planets. It had their vassals produce goods and armaments so that Klingons could focus on battle.

That's exactly it!

Dongs, plural

Congrats on finding the grossest way to say “sucking d***”.

Yeah that's part of my problem with the idea of clumping the two things together really. You can have the message of "being gay is totally cool and should be accepted into Klingon culture if it isn't already" and that's cool. But having them also be kind of an "anti-Klingon" in terms of everything else does invite the idea that they're using pacifists and non-warriors as an allegory for gay people. One is saying gay people are totally normal and we should treat them with the same respect we treat others. The other is saying that they're fundamentally different from everyone else in a way that makes them incompatible with Klingon culture. Even if I'd love for Klingon culture to adapt and change (and it f****** should, it's been how many years since the TNG/VOY/DS9 time period in-universe?), framing things that way rubs me the wrong way and there are way better ways for them to tackle both these ideas. They could even have a gay Klingon that's culturally more traditional, and then an unspecified sexuality Klingon that's more counter-culture and have them clash for entirely culture related reasons. The people who have an issue with a Klingon that's a pacifist and wants to be a doctor are idiots who clearly don't know much about ST. The writers writing this shit are also idiots who clearly don't know much about ST, but for different reasons.

> you could be accused of cowardice. This reminds me of one of my favorite anecdotes from history. A gay artist and his group of friends bombed a records office so Nazis wouldn't know who to exterminate. He got caught (but probably saved huge numbers of people), and told the Nazis "tell people that homosexuals are not cowards" right before they executed him. Badass hero https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Willem_Arondeus

Spartans were gay AF and good for them.

Any listnook thread about the Military includes comments about it being gay AF.

Didn’t just spin it. Stuck the landing. Perfectly.

Starfleet Academy writers barely seem to have even watched other Star Trek shows, I don't know if they would have paid any attention to The Orville

> company of gay men in Greece They were just good buds.

Just Adrianne Palicki, who found it tiring to work around Seth's schedule (which remains the biggest hurdle for season 4). Also her and Scott Grimes got divorced in 2022. I have a feeling that when they inevitably get around to shooting season 4, she'll be written off.

Based on the last 10 years, It's like they make up 95% of writing rooms. 

\>If I align myself with progressive views that means I'm a good boy and everything I do and say is righteous and correct. Yes, it's basically religion at this point.

Well you'd assume it's mostly the same people each week

Either way that is still bad.  

a single video on youtube criticizing star fleet has more views lmao

I love that when RLM brought that up in their Voyager S1 review, they rightly predicted that video would surpass SFA's series views.

That actually makes a lot of sense and let me say why: They pumped the ST franchise hard for the skydance merger to sell the value, S31, STA, other things. I could see them wanting to respin the franchise in a different direction now that they have more conservative management. Honestly not sure I disagree, they went insane in places.

the returning character of The Doctor from Voyager. this is now his worst version. but the actor is amazing so it helps lessen the atrocious writing

It's called Netflix Lighting, where you put the light source straight above your camera, and not off an an angle like it was taught since at least 1950). It makes editing take less effort, especially when special effects shots have to be added.

Yeah, Babylon 5 plot is literally peak sci-fi.

I think a lot of the suits assume is that you can do whatever and your major audience will still be there, so the best way to grow is to target smaller ones. Even Marvel, while already past peak, made that mistake when they decided to replace half their heroes with young women lmao. Well, turns out, teen girls still don't give a f*** and now you're also losing young men. Disney has been trying to course-correct since like 2024 though. The fact that Paramount still using these tactics in both marketing and development of their shows without learning from their own (is there a single ST that was a hit for their service? I guess Section 33 was a huge award success, so many Razzies!) or other studios mistakes is astounding to me, straight up burning money.

Jimmy, have you ever been to a Turkish bathhouse?

the lack of professionalism in the show really was wild. i can understand if these were just random kids from outer space, but they weren't. they were Starfleet cadets. they were practically calling commanding officers and teachers "bro"

It's all over modern literature too.

The TNG episode where Ryker falls in love with the closeted "woman" alien was probably the most egregious example of putting the message before the story but those episodes were so few that you can give them a pass when it happens. especially when a show is churning out 24 episode seasons. The smart thing TNG, TOG, etc did too is that **if** there was instances of **messages before the story**, the message was often told in a one-off character or alien society that you wouldn't ever see again. The message wasn't hammered through a main character every single episode. When there's 10\~ episodes in a season of a show and every episode's or character's purpose is the message then it becomes a really tough hang.

Its , show, not tell and that is the difference. In TNG there wasn't a "gay" storyline, there was just a storyline about a couple. Them being gay didn't matter, as it was just normal. Like it should be, pandering helps no one and is jaut bad writing

A good example of this is the Canadian TV show North of North. It is about a small isolated Inuit community in the far north. It is a comedy, but it does touch on the realities of living in the far north, issues affecting Indigenous communities, racism, poverty, etc, without being preachy or hitting you over the head with the messaging.

It's always the same shit. Assume the old audience will watch then antagonize them to appeal to a new audience who isn't going to watch the show regardless. Que awful rating, cancellation and months of "It's not our fault we failed it's the fans for not eating the shit sandwich we made. The one we specifically told not them not to eat!" news articles then a year later it's back to square one..

Yep and the sad part is they think they are helping by doing this.

They have basically said the show isn't for the normal longstanding fans. So it's no shock when then no one watches. And honestly I don't even care about the queer storylines. The writing is just shit in general.

Christ almighty