· 199 comments · Save ·
News & Current Events May 12, 2026 at 9:50 AM

Starmer says he won’t quit

Posted by Cyclone050


What is happening with Keir Starmer’s leadership: at-a-glance
BBC News
What is happening with Keir Starmer’s leadership: at-a-glance
The prime minister is fighting to stay on in No 10 as heavy election losses trigger a Labour revolt.

🚩 Report this post

199 Comments

Sign in to comment — or just click the box below.
🔒 Your email is never shown publicly.
Prior_Industry 1 day ago +1009
Do we think it played out like that famous scene from the "Wolf of Wall Street"?
1009
npeggsy 1 day ago +482
Oh god, my brain went to that scene with Margot Robbie in the pink dress but it's Starmer and Angela Rayner
482
demmka 1 day ago +453
What a terrible day to have eyes and be able to read.
453
DeadandForgoten 23 hr ago +38
Dont care id knock one out to that. Sue me.
38
Logical_Net6108 16 hr ago +7
Send my lawyer your lawyer's contact details thanks mate
7
KeyanFarlandah 1 day ago +18
Thank you for that… turned my day around with one sentence
18
just_looking_aroun 1 day ago +12
Is starmer in the dress?
12
Other-Crazy 1 day ago +16
Challenging.
16
something_python 1 day ago +38
Stop! My p**** can only get so erect!
38
just_looking_aroun 1 day ago +17
Krieger!
17
RmxDj 1 day ago +12
Sploosh
12
JEveryman 1 day ago +14
Whatever my equivalent of sploosh is. Which I guess is just sploosh. Only with semen.
14
metahivemind 23 hr ago +6
Well it's not getting through the Strait of Hormuz then!
6
Arthurs_clenchedfist 23 hr ago +7
Which one is in the dress?
7
protectyourself1990 1 day ago +2
Very hot can i join in
2
Prior_Industry 1 day ago +4
Oh jesus no!
4
h00dman 1 day ago +37
I assume you're referring to the "I'm not leaving scene", but my mind went to the McConaughey scene where I imagined Starmer doing the chest thumping and the melody, and staring down Wes Streeting who's just sitting there looking uncomfortable.
37
VibgyorTheHuge 1 day ago +18
Kier’s less Jordan Belfort, more Gil from The Simpsons.
18
SnooMacarons4225 21 hr ago +6
That’s what he was going for but he will end up spouting out something along the lines of… ‘On balance, and after deep consideration, I have decided it is in everyone’s best interests that I do indeed, stay on your Prime Minister. I hope that this decision resonates with you, the British people.”
6
JeelyPiece 1 day ago +800
That's usually what they say just before they quit, though, isn't it?
800
ThisI5N0tAThr0waway 1 day ago +387
"I'm a fighter, not a quitter"- said Liz Truss, about five days before resigning.
387
UnVaxxedAndAutistic 1 day ago +65
wasn't it the SAME day?
65
ThisI5N0tAThr0waway 23 hr ago +136
I just looked it up, she actually resigned five days (oct24th) after that quote (19th) but she announced her resignation the next day (20th).
136
lordfenixdown 15 hr ago +23
Fun fact - she spent more time campaigning in the leadership race than she subsequently spent as PM after winning it.
23
theflintseeker 19 hr ago +20
Human days or lettuce days?
20
Glittering-Exam-8511 23 hr ago +44
To be fair about 10% of her premiership was after that quote.
44
pervertsage 21 hr ago +7
Was that before or after she assassinated the queen?
7
Otomuss 1 day ago +90
Yup, getting peer pressured into resigning, if Starmer doesn't feel it yet his cabinet will.
90
SamwellBarley 1 day ago +63
"He has the full backing of the board"
63
Charming-Speech5680 1 day ago +24
Well, it's known that being behind them gives the best position to knife the leader
24
toon_84 1 day ago +20
The dreaded vote of confidence 
20
Altruistic-Medium-23 1 day ago +16
“I’m a fighter not a quitter”
16
Terry-Shark 1 day ago +11
Well yeah, of course he is going to say he is not going to quit until he actually does.
11
404pbnotfound 1 day ago +3
It would be strange if he kept on saying it after he quit… And even stranger if he kept saying he was going to quit and didn’t!
3
john_at_hotmail 15 hr ago +2
Lettuce see.
2
ralphonsob 1 day ago +1132
Let me understand this correctly: People want Starmer to quit because he gave the US Ambassador job to a friend of Epstein, which caused a bunch of voters to vote for Farage, who is a big fan of Trump, who is an even bigger friend of Epstein. Have I got that right?
1132
Prestigious-Orchid95 1 day ago +357
Couldn't make this shit up, it's honestly ridiculous.
357
Gentle_Snail 21 hr ago +89
The attacks Starmer gets against him on Palestine are even more insane, given he’s been the strongest PM on Israel in half a century. But because all the left wing media hate him no one really reports it. Starmer has ended trade negotiations, put limits on exports of offensive weapons, and has sanctioned major Israeli politicians such as the head of National Security and the Head of Finance. Starmer has also changed Britains UN policy from automatically voting in defence of Israel, recognised Palestine, ended recon flights over Gaza, and has refused to help shoot down Iranian missiles heading for the country since Israel instigated the 2025 Iran conflict (which the UK previously did).
89
Combat_Orca 20 hr ago +56
There is no left wing media in this country
56
punkerster101 16 hr ago +4
They need better PR people
4
throoawoo2 1 day ago +202
The only understanding you need is that a sizeable chunk of the electorate does not care about anything other than reversing recent immigration policy. You can think this is stupid and terrible of course, but it's an unavoidable political truth. Enough people to make an electoral difference want a harsh immigration policy more than they want anything else from Westminster, so attacking parties like reform on anything other than immigration policy is a waste of time. They don't care about Trump, they don't care about Farage taking bribes. They just care about immigration. People have to realise this if they want to combat these parties.
202
_PM_ME_PANGOLINS_ 22 hr ago +67
They also have zero idea what the current policy is or what reversing it means.
67
mrminutehand 12 hr ago +4
Exactly. So they want to...relax entry requirements for legal immigrants? Because those requirements are currently about the narrowest they've ever been in the UK's recent history.
4
ralphonsob 1 day ago +39
Ah, so the Tories were voted out because they were incompetent, although they were racist enough, and now Labour has to be voted out because they aren't racist enough, although they are otherwise fairly competent? Have I got it now?
39
Pigeon_Breeze 23 hr ago +93
No. The Tories were voted out mainly because they orchestrated a massive fourfold *increase* in immigration, often called the "Boriswave". 
93
JORFAS 23 hr ago +18
The Tories were voted out because they were manipulated by what is now the racist reform into f****** the country up with Brexit. now Labour will be voted out because racist reform will fix everything with their amazing foreign policies … make it make sense.
18
FEK88 23 hr ago +49
The Tories were voted out because they allowed the largest wave of immigration the country has ever seen.
49
Charming_Pay9936 21 hr ago +7
The immigration wave caused by Brexit, which Farage orchestrated
7
FEK88 21 hr ago +16
No, the immigration was caused by the Tories policies following Brexit, because immigration is a right wing policy designed to supress wages and workers rights.
16
pr2thej 21 hr ago +8
Recent immigration policy being Labours successful reductions? Who wants that reversed?
8
InstallTheLinux 23 hr ago +52
Honestly the Epstein stuff has nothing to do with why people are voting reform. A lot of it is people getting caught up in algorithms online but I think the real root of the issue is what caused Brexit as well, people are feeling hopeless and that they want major change even if they don't know what that change is. Immigration is a massive problem and has only gotten worse since Boris+Brexit as there's been an influx of African/Indian/middle eastern immigrants (which are easier to notice than previous eastern European immigrants) that are now being housed in the more working class cities and towns that previously weren't really impacted by it and were already voting Brexit/anti-immigration. Personally I'm not anti immigration as I realise that if we're to have the country grow/sustain we need more workers that we just aren't able to fill domestically but even I've found it jarring that since about 2022 most buses/trams/underground trains are 80% french speaking Africans or Indians, who often draw even more attention to themselves due to playing videos with high volume while travelling which you'd only really have a chavy teenager do previously (even that would be rare). Which has probably caused a lot of the fear mongering that the pensioners have had rammed down their throats for 20 years feel like it is being proving right, especially since pensioners are most likely to use public transport since they get free travel.
52
digitalpencil 19 hr ago +9
People aren't voting for Reform over Mandelson, it's immigration. These are single-issue voters with a profound hatred of recent immigration policy. The UK is going through a number of parallel crises; housing, infrastructure and health. The general sentiment around Reform voters is that unbridled immigration has fuelled these crises and they want to not only see it end, but see a reversal with recent immigrants, removed from the country.
9
Intelligent-Royal682 23 hr ago +47
If you think the Mandelson thing is the only or even a major reason why people want him gone you've not been paying attention.
47
aabdsl 23 hr ago +10
I doubt even ten percent of the people switching their votes to Reform know or care who Mandelson is...
10
TheNinthGateLCF 22 hr ago +16
Not exactly. He's been extraordinarily unpopular for ages.  Mandelson also was found out to have used his power to commit crimes during his previous time in office.  It was a hugely ill advised appointment. Then, serious questions were raised about the vetting over the appointment. Apparently, he initially failed it, but his appointment was pushed through anyway. Allegedly, there was a lot of pressure from No. 10, as Starmer had announced his appointment before vetting had even started.  Farage is more just an ally of Trump. I don't think there's any actual real personal relationship there outside of Farage trying to associate with him for political clout. 
16
Ok-Application-8045 19 hr ago +3
And the guy who probably precipitated all this (Wes Streeting) was very close pals with the Ambassador who was friends with Epstein. 
3
Terry__Tibbs 22 hr ago +6
No, you haven't got that right at all. Typical that its been heavily upvoted. Its much more to do with his repeated failures in office, dismal approval ratings, and major losses in recent elections
6
FeelingParty866 1 day ago +7
I thought it was because Labour hadnt been doing so well.
7
Akiasakias 21 hr ago +2
The Farage voting is unrelated. That has been in the works forever, its why Labor is in power now because Reform split the vote and killed the Tories. If Starmer quits, you get an election in 29, but he can call a vote now which means you get a reform government and EVERY labor front bencher looses their seats individually by losing their own elections at home. Killing their careers. Knowing he has this leverage is the only reason they haven't pushed him out more violently, and are slow walking it so he doesn't take the nuclear option.
2
Tacti_Kel_Nuke 19 hr ago +2
People make excuses in their mind or because misinformation. Like my parents and their friends think Elon musk stepped down the government because he was protesting the kinks between trump and Epstein 💀
2
It531z 15 hr ago +2
Why tf is this upvoted. This couldn’t be more wrong or incomplete as an explanation
2
D2WilliamU 1 day ago +543
I'm not a huge fan of starmer, not a hater either, consider me neutral on the man. But it's unhealthy for British politics if PM's can't see out their full term. When was the last time a British PM actually finished their full elected 5 year term? Because I can't remember. We can't keep chopping and changing PM's, it's bad for the country.
543
Alternative_Head_416 1 day ago +225
Absolutely 100% agree. David Cameron was the last prime minister to see out his full term I believe, 2010-2015. Since then it has been a shit show. Prime ministers should not be seen as readily disposable.
225
Gentle_Snail 1 day ago +170
I genuinely worry that social media and a hostile press has made the UK ungovernable by anyone now. I don’t agree with everything Starmer has done, but he’s a reasonable boring politician with long term policies and who’s amazing on the world stage - yet people are so polarised now that they act like he’s Hitler reborn.
170
Hungry_Horace 23 hr ago +62
The fact that he’s apparently more unpopular with the public than Johnson and Truss, consecutively the worst PMs in British history, speaks volumes as to the unified forces against him. His worse crimes are not being left wing enough and changing his mind. Up against partying whilst our loved ones died and destroying the economy and everyone’s pensions.
62
IllustratorOpen3856 22 hr ago +19
He's also a massive perpetrator of the surveillance state
19
fe-and-wine 20 hr ago +3
>The fact that he’s apparently more unpopular with the public than Johnson and Truss, consecutively the worst PMs in British history, speaks volumes as to the unified forces against him. It really is crazy how low his approval is. Last I checked it was somewhere in the 11-13% approval range, which is uniquely bad for a world leader in pretty much *any* country, let alone a rich "first-world" one like Britain. I mean, Trump and Biden both are two of the least liked American presidents in modern times, and both share an approval nadir of around 30ish percent. And Keir Starmer is apparently *three times* more unpopular than either of those two cases - the two most disliked Presidents in modern times?
3
Rosehiphedgerow 13 hr ago +2
I don't personally see what everyone's issue with him is. I am as left as left can be, and I think he's been the best PM we've had in a while. A lot of the reasons I chose to vote from them from their manifesto, they are indeed delivering on. I'm not sure what else one could want from a party.
2
calloutyourstupidity 23 hr ago +4
I think we may have become ungovernable indeed.
4
zorniy2 1 day ago +4
There was a time between Nakasone and Koizumi when I couldn't keep track of who was Japan's Prime Minister. Japan in stagflation and nobody really steering the ship.
4
EmbarrassedHelp 19 hr ago +2
> David Cameron It crazy how his fight against encryption and privacy has continued under every UK prime minister since then. [Calling for a ban on encryption in 2015](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Encryption_ban_proposal_in_the_United_Kingdom) should have been a turning point away from stupidity, but the UK has since doubled down on it.
2
OkFix4074 1 day ago +5
I wonder what happened around the end of his term that would make UK so unstable? Did they as a country chose dosomething that is , how do I say this ... Dumb ?
5
the1kingdom 23 hr ago +26
The last majority win full term was Blair. Brown came in half way through. Cameron had coalition in first term, but left in the middle of his majority win. May quit. Johnson quit. Truss quit. Sunak came in mid-term and lost. I 100% agree with you. We can keep swapping in and out, because the bad eggs will immediately stop playing that game when their guy is in.
26
Orikrin1998 1 day ago +17
*Nervous French laughter*
17
ShakespeareStillKing 23 hr ago +27
It seems surreal to me that a leader without any major professional fuckups, moral/ethical scandals or health issues can be just removed 2 years into their terms because some MPs didn't like them. How on earth are people expecting efficient governing? Even wtihin 5 years it's hard to show results. Within 2 years? After the trainwreck decade the tories did? It's impossible. Even if Starmer leaves, nothing will change. It will be a revolving door in the office until nothing is left.
27
maverickhawk99 23 hr ago +14
>It seems surreal to me that a leader without any major professional fuckups, moral/ethical scandals or health issues can be just removed 2 years into their terms because some MPs didn't like them. That’s one of the drawbacks with a Westminster / parliamentary system.
14
Portaldog1 1 day ago +21
And this is especially bad as if he resigns there will be a coordinated push by the media for a general election like there always is only this time it will have full backing cause it would lead to reform getting in to power. I'm starting to think the only reason the greens got so much media attention was to purposely split votes away from the lib Dems who you never hear about despite being the third largest party...
21
ApricotNo2315 1 day ago +6
But the media criticises Greens heavily which should help Labour.
6
EmmanuelKaaahnt 1 day ago +12
Yeah and with the looming Iran economic shock that no one seems to be even vaguely prepared for, we don't need a power vacuum in leadership right now. I guarantee you the oligarch press will continue to demand one because it massively increases their owners chances of buying up what's left of the UK for f*** all money.
12
Mother-Market-4056 1 day ago +3
Agreed. Jesus, in the old days you'l could lose multiple elections and still be party leader.
3
Mccobsta 18 hr ago +3
Definitely the shit show of the revolving door a Tories is what killed the Conservative Party here
3
Bagabeans 1 day ago +3
Especially when it's largely just for not quite doing enough according to some people, rather than because he's doing crazy things, or molesting kids etc.
3
TallCommission7139 1 day ago +148
"You didn't unfuck a decade of horrible choices plus us leaving the EU because we believed a racist bus ad fast enough for our liking!" Guys, Stamer leaving won't fix anything, this is going to /take time/ to unfuck because you guys made the second worst political decision in recent world history.
148
Fresh_Sock8660 22 hr ago +24
Stamer leaving now would lead to an inevitable Farage UK. That's what a lot of the states interfering with our politics want, including Trump and Putin. 
24
Quick_Resolution4916 23 hr ago +26
Dont worry, we’re about to make a much worse political decision at the next GE. I can’t wait to see what the busses say then. I quite like boring politics with Starmer, it’s how politics should be.
26
Durzel 1 day ago +1075
He's probably the best PM we have had in recent times, and if you actually look beyond what is reported Labour have done a decent amount of things. Obviously it's only the U-turns and negative stuff that gets any oxygen. The big problem is that - like the States - the general population seem to be voting for personality over competency. Keir is very competent but he has no charisma. Farage and co are essentially the opposite, but people have shown they will vote for whoever tells them what they want to hear - even if it's impossible. What worries me more about anything that happens with Starmer or Labour is that a great many people seem to not care or even worse distrust competent people, preferring bombast and dog whistles.
1075
HunterLionheart 1 day ago +323
He's in a very tough spot at this point because he's positioned Labour against the left, so they've all abandoned him. And he is trying desperately to appease the voters who are being charmed away by the anti-migrant rhetoric. But you can't out-Farage Nigel Farage. I don't think he's a bad PM, and he seems sensible on the world stage. But he's a very easy scapegoat, and the Mandelson decision made him look an idiot, which damages his ability to fall back on credibility.
323
TowelLord 1 day ago +106
As someone from the EU it's utter insanity to see Nigel Farage havibg a platform and getting more popular after he was one of the driving forces behind brexit, then abandoned any sort of responsibilities only to then blame others and somehow getting away with it. The people who fall for that are just as much as a lost cause as the US clowns who felö for Trump again.
106
HunterLionheart 1 day ago +24
It's precisely the same thing. In that he's not taking responsibility for it, he just keeps saying it's a good thing, and any bad aspects are the fault of others implementing it poorly. All trumpist bluster. It's depressing to see this country bend over and take it.
24
_Born_To_Be_Mild_ 23 hr ago +6
If he ever gets power that's when he will be found out, but not before a load of damage is done.
6
-MrLizard- 19 hr ago +9
I'm not so optimistic. The US had four years of Trump to "find out", yet still decided they wanted another four. I have no faith in the British electorate to learn any lessons, we're proving to be just as dumb by getting to this point.
9
_Born_To_Be_Mild_ 17 hr ago +2
We don't have the benefit of unlimited money like Trump does, he's governing with those lane buffers you get in bowling. Farage won't be so fortunate.
2
Beepulons 22 hr ago +8
Dude these exact same Trump-esque parties are coming for the rest of the EU. Look at RN in France or AFD in Germany. PVV in the Netherlands, who already have been in power. DF in Denmark.
8
Durzel 1 day ago +28
Yup, no argument there. I do wonder what Labour can do, though. Certainly trying tp appease the far right voters is a waste of time, I'm not convinced there is a wavering cohort who could be tempted from Reform to Labour. At the same time - the Greens, Lib Dems are splitting the left vote, which isn't the case for the right - since the Tories are basically a hollowed out shell, not least because of the 14 years they messed everything up. I think Labour probably need someone who is more obviously a "man of the people" - e.g. a Mick Lynch or Andy Burnham. Rayner might be a go-er but her tax thing would always be a weakness.
28
Nuclear-Jester 1 day ago +56
Honestly? Labour should at least try to stop alienating the progressive base Left-wing voters are switching to the Greens and LibDems because they don't feel rappresented by Starmer. Maybe cutting a deal with the Greens would be a good start
56
Gentle_Snail 1 day ago +57
Thing is Labour have been doing this, its just not what people focus on.  Labour have brought in the biggest increases to works rights in half a century, have strengthened the power of unions, are nationalising rail, are nationalising British Steel, surged public spending on services, raised the minimum wage, and drastically increased renters rights.
57
LetsLive97 1 day ago +27
The honest answer is we need more housing, preferably social I understand how difficult that is politically but a lot of young people are disenfranchised by the increasing cost of living and prospects of never owning a house I don't think any other party will do any better but if they want the youth vote they need to be putting more focus on it. They promised 1.5 million new houses and aren't even remotely on track for that
27
abaggins 1 day ago +22
\>The honest answer is we need more housing, preferably social Reform isn't winning votes on housing. Its immigration thats driving elections all over the western world.
22
LetsLive97 1 day ago +10
I mean Labour is addressing immigration and it's not changed anything Immigration is also part of a larger labour shortage/demographics issue. Obviously it can be improved but just getting rid of immigration is an incredibly ignorant idea that would almost definitely cause massive struggles within the country. Immigration is often just an easy cop out for populist parties to gain support without having any actual plan to fix it I'm not sure Labour can do a huge amount to get much of the Reform vote, but they could win back more young voters
10
Nuclear-Jester 1 day ago +11
I think there are a couple of problems: 1. Some of these reforms are either too litle, too late or not promoted enough (besides the media problem, Starmer has the charisma of a rock) 2. People tend to remember the bad more than the good. Starmer is the public face of the continuing austerity. He is the one who tried to made more cuts to public wellfare (like scrapping a few campaign promises regarding the child benefit cap) 3. I am not even going to touch his policies regarding trans rights, web control or immigrants. I am just going mto point out that "We will throw minorities under the bus for political gain" isn't a really strong message 4. Matthew Doyle. Just Matthew Doyle
11
Gentle_Snail 1 day ago +26
>Starmer is the public face of the continuing austerity Starmer is literally doing the exact opposite of austerity, he has surged public spending. Austerity isn’t just a word for something you don’t like, it has a specific meaning
26
Mr_Venom 16 hr ago +4
Unfortunately, people just see services closing, getting worse, etc. Despite spending more, austerity seems to be continuing for the average person. I appreciate that's more "structures sabotaged by Torys are imploding now" than Kier's fault, but he can't claim austerity is over when public services are still at historically shit levels.
4
dihawk13 14 hr ago +2
I mean I agree that labour have done a lot of good and that Keir is our best prime minister in the last 15 years, but at the same time, the bar is (almost literally) in hell after Truss and Johnson. Ultimately in politics what you say is in fact just as important as what you do, and I don't think that's even necessarily a bad thing, being an effective communicator is an important part of being a leader, which you have to be as a prime minister. When the whole electoral system relies on getting people to trust you to run their country, if you are dogshit at speaking you are fundamentally bad at a crucial aspect of your job. Yeah the media haven't been kind to him, but the media have not been kind to people like Bernie or Mamdani, or even like Polanski or Corbyn and all of those still have people who actually like them. I think it's quite a Listnook take to say it doesn't matter if you're likable as long as your policies are good (for the leader of a country). I've literally never heard anyone express that opinion in real life. It's genuinely really not that hard to be likeable, like the majority of people I meet manage it just fine - all you have to do is be genuine and show that you care about something. Which Starmer has consistently failed to do. Like I'm not saying he has to ooze charisma like Mamdani, but it really takes quite an extreme lack of personality to be the UK's most unpopular prime minister literally since we started tracking the popularity of prime ministers. Also, Keir really really doesn't help himself. In his own words, "If you don't like the changes, the door is open and you can leave". Well Starmer, most of us have f****** left.
2
TheFoolman 1 day ago +61
I had a conversation with a good mate who swore up and down that if Farage said he would clear student debt he would vote for him. I said to him that Farage would say anything he can get away with just to get in and have no intention of keeping all his promises. He said no politician keeps their promises. I was kind of flabbergasted and said ‘youre saying you know he would lie to your face and just tell you what you want to hear and youd still vote for them’ and he just repeated that “anything is better than the status quo” and I just facepalmed. A charlatan who would happily sell off public services, take bribes and spend any money reserves he wants on him and his mates is better than the status quo.
61
xcassets 1 day ago +36
Millions of folks like your mate who just don't care. They get their news only from TikTok. Starmer is an evil man who takes their p*** away. Farage is the messiah who will solve all our problems because his platform is the most easy to win over the uneducated with - "change". I fear for the next election, we could very easily end up going the way of the US and shooting ourselves in the foot completely for years, if not decades, to come via gutting of public services, systemic racism, gestapo-like immigration policies, etc.
36
TheFoolman 1 day ago +13
It really was a stark moment because its that cliche thing of like never thinking someone like him would be that susceptible. Relatively normal guy, 27yo, not overtly bigoted before that I have ever seen, but just unable to change mind and clearly just indoctrinated
13
greenline_chi 1 day ago +15
That’s exactly what’s happened over here in the US. My mom is decently smart but is somehow MAGA. She won’t acknowledge the gas prices. It’s been 10 years of this. I’ve stopped arguing because it’s pointless
15
WeaponizedKissing 1 day ago +17
> “anything is better than the status quo” We just had 15 or whatever years of Tory status quo. Labour is the anything in that sentence. So it seems that “anything is better than the status quo” isn't actually what he means, what he means is he's too scared to openly say he wants to vote for racist etc rhetoric.
17
TheFoolman 23 hr ago +5
I challenged him on this that despite what populists might say significant change after 15 years doesnt happen overnight, and genuine wins have already happened under labour, and starmers handling of ukraine which he agrees was good. But it doesnt matter, online platforms have lumped tory and labour as the ‘status quo’. I even posited “oh okay so why not vote green if not the top two parties” and that was shut down too
5
Grunn84 15 hr ago +2
that's when you know you have them, when you suggest greens that's clearly not the right "change"
2
UltimateGammer 1 day ago +3
Is your mate struggling right now or well off? Because "the status quo" is the enemy when your personal status quo has been to struggle. There is a reason the north of England flops heavily over the last three elections. 
3
TheFoolman 23 hr ago +2
Not massively struggling, but stressed, and has family in the north
2
Reddvox 1 day ago +4
You should ask him: So, if they all lie and you will never get from that what you want, but you also do not want status quo or extremism - when will you enter politics, go to the streets, get things moving as its expected by people in a democracy? Democracy is not a buffet where you get offered what you want and have not to worry about anything. You are not supposed to just sit and wait until the perfect party and candidate comes to you and perfectly caters to all your wishes
4
giraffepimp 1 day ago +82
No charisma, absolutely shocking comms, his biggest mistake is moving forward with absolute PR disaster policies that don’t really save much money but completely wreck their profile, such as the pensioners winter fuel allowance. Labour have done some good work and the country isn’t in too bad a position considering the state of global affairs, but their comms, PR, social media are just horrific. Nobody knows or believes them. In any case, there is no way Starmer can win the next election. For whatever reason he is absolutely hated by the majority of the public and there is no way he can claw it back.
82
Personal-Inflation63 1 day ago +13
Pretty much they blew it with the WFA. Polling both externally and the internal polling Labour have done have shown it’s not an issue the public have forgiven them for. Labour governments never get as much leeway as Tories do rightly or wrongly. Starmer did the worst PR move he could ever do with that and then ended up backing out of it anyways that cemented him as a flip flop. The election for Labour has already been loss regardless if it’s Starmer or not leading them. Unless there is some amazing figure we’ve not seen who has some grand vision that is able to unite the party and drive some meaningful change that improves things visibly for the public. It’s clear no such person exists in British politics for any party.
13
Explosion2 1 day ago +19
He's also nearly entirely responsible for the nanny-state surveillance becoming a requirement for the internet all over the world, so like, even as an American I think he's a class traitor and can eat a d***.
19
Grunn84 1 day ago +12
The online safety act was passed by the conservatives in 2023 (though Starmer and Labour supported it in opposition)
12
YF422 18 hr ago +5
Repealling it might win back some support though I think. Age Verification is just a segway to state survelliance and spying, people know this and responded with getting VPNs expecially in the wake of various data breaches like Discord. It was a Tory policy as well.
5
Crimsai 1 day ago +16
My biggest problem with Labour currently is supporting things like cutting the WFA (which I think is both necessary and good!), taking all the negative press for it, and then u-turning on it and getting negative press for u-turning! If you're going to make the unpopular but necessary move, just stick with it. Don't get beat with the same stick twice.
16
Objective_Mousse7216 1 day ago +6
Agreed. He should stay on and continue and step down nearer election time. We had so much leadership churn with the Tories, I'm tired of the new week, new leader shit.
6
manefa 1 day ago +2
I think they have a better chance with him than anyone else. The hatred is for the party (both labour annd Tory) he is just the face of it. And it’s not improbable reform will implode spectacularly in the next two years.
2
Warm-Mood-8994 1 day ago +34
How can he be competent and yet fumble the whole Mandelson thing so badly? That's opposite of competent.
34
[deleted] 1 day ago +9
[deleted]
9
HunterLionheart 1 day ago +10
Well it's usually based on the MPs who stand to lose their jobs. His power rests on his majority in parliament. If those MPs are all saying 'your presence is toxic, you need to go or we're all out of a job' that can push the need for change onto him.
10
VagueSomething 1 day ago +9
The last competent PM before Starmer was Brown. We've had so many years of corrupt and incompetent PMs that now we have ruined our system and think we need to constantly replace leaders and cause instability. Labour has done a lot but they also have a lot they need to improve. Some things will never be enough for the rabid hate of Reform supporters but there are many aspects they should focus on for the betterment of the country regardless of if it wins over the propaganda consumers.
9
TheDukeofArgyll 1 day ago +8
Propaganda is really effective these days
8
HemperorZurg 1 day ago +46
"Keir is very competent" Can you please explain how on earth you can say this yet he went against the security concerns raised by MI5 and appointed a man as UK Ambassador to the United States with a known links/friendship with a prolific convicted paedophile, and sex trafficker? This alone should have been what forced his resignation. That doesn't strike me as competence, that strikes me as pure sleaze.
46
iamnosuperman123 17 hr ago +7
That is because OP isn't looking past the Labour sheen. He has consistently made poor decisions, defended those decisions for months only to climb down later. He is political inept.
7
Submitten 1 day ago +41
Keir was told that the security vetting department approved the clearance. It later turned out that MI5 raised concerns but the security department decided to approve it anyway. That’s not on him. But maybe it highlights how much fake criticism of Starmer is out there that people gobble up.
41
HemperorZurg 1 day ago +21
A member of the foreign office even noted they were presented with the decision to appoint Mandelson and told to "get on with it" and got pressured by No10. Source: [McSweeney admits pressuring Foreign Office to expedite Mandelson role | Morgan McSweeney | The Guardian](https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/apr/28/ex-fdco-chief-philip-barton-concerns-mandelson-epstein-links) Documents released in March of this year also showed Starmer had received advice on 11th December 2024 - 9 days before Mandelson's appointment was announced - that flagged "a reputation risk" related to Mandelson's ties to Epstein, including reports that they kept in contact after Epstein's 2008 conviction Source: [PM was warned of 'reputational risk' over Mandelson's Epstein links - BBC News](https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cd70lgywgqqo) I suppose this is fake criticism I am gobbling up is it? Gaslight much?
21
Weshtonio 1 day ago +6
Surely, everything they do is reported; how do you look beyond that?
6
Matshelge 1 day ago +2
There is a new political paradigm in creation. Its focused on small stuff, that everyone is on board with, stuff that is tactile and doable. Passing laws is not what drives popularity, it's action. And Keir has no action bones in his body. He is a career politician and you can smell it through the TV that this is the case. Trump, despite all the corruption and idiotic behavior knows this, it's ratings, it's views and pickup, Mamdani knows this as well. People who say they need to "learn social" are already doomed. It needs to be native language to whomever is using it, and Keir is a "hello fellow kids" trope through and through.
2
Nananahx 23 hr ago +2
It's hard when Twitter is owned by far right and spews bs all the time, same for FB, dailymail etc. - all sources of information for old people who get rage baited
2
tattlerat 22 hr ago +2
I know a lot of folks who have immigrated to the UK in the last number of years are worried about Farage. He’s had a lot of rhetoric about immigration and residency. Looks like the UK could fall for the same trick twice if they elect him. The same fears had them pull out of the EU. Would hate to see it again.
2
Comfortable_Car6562 1 day ago +6
This is why Canada lucked out with Carney who is both capable and likable. Society needs to begin lifting up people with personalities who also have skills.
6
RedofPaw 1 day ago +9
Labour have a majority. They have had time. They do not have a story. A message. A vision. A sales pitch. Not the tories and boring but competent were the sales pitch before. But while boring and mostly competent, they have not been great at the politics part, and it also is not working now they are in. As you say, Reform are different. They're all sales pitch with no substance, at least not substance most of their voters want to actually see. Destroying the NHS won't be popular, but it's what people will end up getting. It's clear that Starmer is not going to change style. I'm not sure Labour have it in them to create a vision or a compelling pitch to win people over.
9
WhereTheSpiesAt 1 day ago +11
They’ve had 2 years in that time and pushed through plenty of legislation which people like but refuse to acknowledge.
11
CaptainMikul 23 hr ago +6
On the one hand, I think there's better leaders out there. On the other, I'm just so sick of swapping PM every couple years.
6
Sluggybeef 1 day ago +67
Not a massive fan of Starmer but the alternatives are so much worse. Labour infighting handing Reform more power
67
thatsidewaysdud 1 day ago +32
[Boris Johnson digs in amid growing cabinet mutiny (6/07/22)](https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-62065534) [Liz Truss: I'm a fighter, not a quitter (19/10/22)](https://www.bbc.com/news/av/uk-politics-63313539)
32
lawrenceM96 1 day ago +175
Does anyone in real life actually want him gone? The media stories around this seem so manufactured to me. What has he actually done that's so damaging? Things take time for policies to actually have an impact and I think most policy choices have been successful. Who would even replace him? It would be nice to actually have some stabililty for once, I can't see what this would help.
175
DLfordays 1 day ago +45
Latest YouGov poll shows him at a 70% disapproval rating, 51% for Labour voters. So yes.
45
carcrash12 1 day ago +98
The media is absolutely painting the narrative and unfortunately seem quite effective at influencing people to buy into it Whatever you think of Starmer he's been by far the best PM in the last 15 or so years (yes the bar is admittedly low), and it'd be nice to try have some semblance of stability and let a PM see out a full term
98
jack5624 22 hr ago +8
I don’t think I know a single person who likes Starmer and my friends are mainly Labour voters. Lots of people want him gone.
8
Agattu 1 day ago +40
I mean, 60 Labour MP’s voted they want him gone along with his Home Secretary. So yes, real people want him gone.
40
Welshhoppo 1 day ago +19
No, none of the Labour MPs have voted against Starmer. 80ish MPs have made notions that they want Starmer gone, but none of them have (yet) triggered labours process for removing him as Leader of the Party. Honestly I doubt any of them will either because they don't have a backbone between them. They want Starmer to quit so they can fight over the scraps.
19
abaggins 1 day ago +7
frustrates me to no end those idiots should be supporting him fully - instead are happy to turn this into another tory party string of PM's changing every few months so when general election does finally happen theres a clean sweep...for reform. We're so fucked if/when that happens.
7
to_glory_we_steer 1 day ago +4
It's absolutely fuelled by the media and encouraged by their billionaire owners to further their interests. I dearly wish that my people would stop allowing themselves to be bent over for the interests of a select few elites
4
RafflesEsq 1 day ago +14
I certainly don’t, but I do want him and the rest of government to start shouting about the good things they’ve delivered already and start pushing out more big, positive and actionable policies. There’s something going on with support up to £7500 for solar panels and batteries for low income households to provide real protection from energy price hikes, and no one seems to be mentioning it at all.
14
Gentle_Snail 1 day ago +12
Its kind of nuts how no one really focuses on the good he does, Starmer is under seeing the biggest explosion in UK infrastructure in half a century and no one f****** knows about it. And don’t even get me started on all his great left wing policies that get under reported or dismissed simply because the left wing papers hate him.
12
profheg_II 1 day ago +10
Agreed. The baying for his blood is bizarre to me. "Prime minister makes a handful of unpopular moves during first 1.5 years in office" - more news at 10. I think the rapid turnover of PMs during the last Tory government have normalised the idea of booting a leader. But that was the outcome of a series of really quite grave issues coupled with a party imploding; the lesson shouldn't be that we lower our thresholds for scandal and keep doing it. Make the post of PM too flimsy and it's only going to destabilise our widen governmental system.
10
Nuclear-Jester 1 day ago +27
I am just going to pout out that a British PM resigning after bad electoral results is hardly something new Even Margaret Thatcher had to resign after her own party revolted against her
27
ApplicationMaximum84 20 hr ago +4
But she was in power since the late 70's lasting till 1990. I just realised by the age of 30, I'd only seen 5 PMs in my lifetime, now just 10 years later we've had another 5.
4
Annunakh 1 day ago +5
Do you have better one to replace him?
5
twenty6plus6 1 day ago +18
Amazing how Boris the buffoon carried on scandal after scandal and never got any flak but Starmer has been getting abuse from day 1 , if the UK parliament elections Nigel farage in the next election all bets are off
18
TheGMT 22 hr ago +5
The world over the media and tech are acting as an enemy to would be functioning democracies.
5
r1012 1 day ago +15
As a foreigner, I really can't grasp the drama against him.
15
Warm-Cup-1966 1 day ago +15
Billionaires that own our media don't like him
15
mah_12 1 day ago +3
Labour politicians are more worried about shoring up the security of their seats for the next gen elections rather than prioritising the long-term interests of the country. Starmer has finally bought some kind of stability to the country, and now politicians and households want to self harm by replacing him with an inferior successor who is Gona pull some magic lever to make everything gravy again. This country is finished.
3
wigum211 1 day ago +4
Hate the Tories, hate reform more... But even with the Tories, what did we really gain from repeatedly axing politicians so short into their term? I like that change can be forced, but it should really be limited to getting rid of lunatics like Liz Truss rather than just "I don't agree with them".
4
Far_Mycologist_5782 15 hr ago +3
He needs to resign, whether he wants to or not.
3
Joshawott27 1 day ago +10
Starmer pointing out that the official mechanism for a leadership hasn’t been activated is a blinder of a move. It could be taken as him basically telling Wes Streeting to meet him on the court. The big issue that Labour currently has is that there’s no alternate to Starmer who could immediately step into the role. Wes Streeting has been floated as a challenger, but likely won’t have the support of the MPs or wider membership. Andy Burnham also isn’t an MP, so will need someone else to resign and then win a by-election first. So, by effectively saying that he’ll only leave through a leadership election, he’s pressuring Streeting to bolt out of the paddock early and risk shutting out both him and Burnham, or letting the issue drag until the media get bored and move on.
10
DonQuigleone 1 day ago +8
I don't think Starmer should quit, but I also think he has to take on board these results and show some kind of meaningful change in the government's strategy to shore up the left flank of the coalition. Myself, I think he needs to speed up the nationalisation of utilities and more aggressively shift the tax burden away from the working class.  He needs to work harder to keep the "Gary Stevenson left" happy in his coalition (I don't totally agree with the guy, but it's undeniable he's tapping into a wider discontent). I think voters can accept suffering and belt tightening but they can't accept it if they feel the wealthy aren't doing their part. 
8
paper_zoe 22 hr ago +3
I agree with a lot you've said but I just don't think Starmer can or will do this. From reports today, he's refusing to listen to his own cabinet ministers and won't even talk about last week's election results. His whole attitude towards the left under his leadership has been hostile and extremely factional and it's left Labour's base feeling alienated. Even if he did move left now, I don't think people would trust him. I think he's burnt all his bridges and Labour have no choice right now. I think it's telling that people on all sides of the party are calling for him to go.
3
StardustOasis 22 hr ago +5
>but I also think he has to take on board these results and show some kind of meaningful change in the government's strategy to shore up the left flank of the coalition. Perhaps he would if the rest of his party gave him the chance, rather than having him defend himself constantly like this. It hasn't even been a week, and all that has been in the news is "Starmer should go".
5
braket0 1 day ago +8
Instead of disrupting the current admin why not let them get on with their jobs it's been two years. Reform dragging them into this early election with a bogus court case before they lose all their voters when they find out Farage is being bankrolled by foreign crypto barons, and probably has links to god knows where else because of it. (Who we betting on? Who benefits from dissolving UK gov? Russia? China ? Israel? Idk but place your bets on polymarket where assumedly Farage's mate made his money too).
8
alec83 1 day ago +3
He will, his own party will force him out. Labour are in a mess at the moment
3
Vast_Description_201 23 hr ago +3
Good, f*** 'em. 
3
IamAdrummerAMA 23 hr ago +3
Good on him
3
Good-Marketing6730 23 hr ago +3
winners never quit
3
_Born_To_Be_Mild_ 23 hr ago +3
Good. Ignore the papers.
3
bearwithbearwith 15 hr ago +3
Time to pull out the lettuce
3
apologetic_narwhal 12 hr ago +3
As a Canadian he's giving me Trudeau vibes
3
dewittless 1 day ago +5
*In his most nasal voice* Oh I'm sorry, I didn't hear no bell!
5
Quapisma 23 hr ago +5
Liz Truss said the same and look what happened to her hahahah, outlived by a lettuce 🥬😂
5
KiaRioGrl 1 day ago +9
So did Justin Trudeau.
9
Unique-Staff-2644 1 day ago +7
The more the right wing folks in my village foam at the mouth about starmer, the more i'm starting to warm to the boring fella. I hope he stays just to annoy them. I can hear my downstairs neighbour yelling at gbn as i type this.
7
Hollywood-is-DOA 23 hr ago +4
He won’t survive a vote of no confidence.
4
Chargerado 1 day ago +20
Nor should he.
20
abbzug 1 day ago +7
It's funny if you go back to when Labour was swept in by their huge landslide, practically everyone was predicting this would happen. That'd he just squander the opportunity.
7
Soberdonkey69 20 hr ago +2
My country is racist, xenophobic and I have citizens that adore the c*** Farage who’s friends with a paedophile (Trump). I hate this timeline.
2
kettleboiler 20 hr ago +2
The media in the UK seems to be going mental for regime change at the moment. ITV have had representatives from the Tories and Reform on an the morning chat shows for the last few months for their opinions on Labour, Epstein's friends, what Trump said today and any other hot topic. I thought they were required to give a balanced view, but it's all been right wing talking points. Must be what it feels like watching Fox TV in the US. It definitely feels like an agenda. I wonder if this is American money swaying opinion in the UK because they're nervous that we're leaning back towards the EU rather than relying on America after Brexit?
2
SunMoonSnake 19 hr ago +2
"'Tis but a flesh wound." 
2
Initial_Deal_5787 17 hr ago +2
Dead man walking…. Why is it polititions never read the room and walk with dignity verse always get rolled!!!!
2
ThatShadyJack 16 hr ago +2
Then maybe stop utterly fumbling the bag bro. UK labour has been acting like another trash Conservative Party
2
Zado191 15 hr ago +2
Why is there talk of the UK PM not quitting every 10 months?
2
Transfem1972 13 hr ago +2
Won't quit giving all our money to other countries when this ones broken.
2
WizardButtholes 13 hr ago +2
Course not, the cheque from Palantir hasn't come through yet
2
ziegs11 12 hr ago +2
Bring out the lettuce
2
Starmoses 10 hr ago +2
Someone get the lettuce out.
2
HiddenbyMoon 1 day ago +12
Good. The "media" can bullshit all they want. The grifting career politicians on the left and right can try to oust him for their own gain. Ignore it, there is a job to be done.
12
DateMasamusubi 1 day ago +14
Time to bring out the lettuce.
14
Nuclear-Jester 1 day ago +9
Eh, he has been in charge for 2 years I think he should be compared more to Stanley Baldwin for ironic purposes. He was a tory whose resignation led to the first Labour PM in British history
9
SteveBuildsAlexaApps 1 day ago +4
He's too legit
4
wildbilly2 1 day ago +4
Jess Phillips has resigned as a cabinet minister. A pretty sizeable nail in the coffin.
4
griggsy92 1 day ago +4
Honestly I don't particularly want Labour, but him quitting is the dumbest thing to do right now. Apart from the bits that are focused on by the media, he actually seems to be doing a somewhat decent job. Economy is outperforming peers, NHS wait times are falling, most actual metrics are actually looking good. The last thing we need is more of the revolving door of leadership that the 'strong and stable' Tories normalised.
4
schraderbrau6 1 day ago +2
This country is a friggin joke. The first good prime minister in years and he’s being pushed out 
2
MorgothsCrispyToast 1 day ago +2
Gotta be tough being a leader in a world of adversarial algorithms, bot sim farms and kool-aid sippers all too willing to echo the bots.
2
Terrible-Group-9602 1 day ago +6
The nost likely scenario now is that he limps on wounded and basically a lame duck until Burnham gets a seat, and then he resigns when it's obvious Burnham will stand against him.
6
← Back to Board