It is shameful. Fighting for your country, you at least deserve to be fed properly. And I do hope the situation is truly rectified - war is hell enough as it is.
Edited to say this is in no way anti-Ukraine, just anti-this specific incident
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Personal-Efficiency212 hr ago
+32
Ye, listnook can be touchy about even the most reasonable comment about Ukraine. Anything short of praise is seen as "anti".
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xondk11 hr ago
+23
I think that is because a lot of people people that are "anti" often go "see are doing badly." to validate their own position and say that the rest of the goals/things the group is up to are invalid.
So it is difficult to filter between actual legit criticism of something that needs improving, without the person meaning that everything else is bad, and some of those that try to undermine the whole based on that specific thing.
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NA_0_10_never_forget10 hr ago
+16
That is the result of the 2-sides-only culture that has been bred by social media.
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Amazing_Athlete_22657 hr ago
+4
*Bred by the rich. Divide and conquer, etc
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MistakeEastern541411 hr ago
+14
i got called a russia sympathizer and nazi for just saying some ukrainian refugees do stupid shit and behave like assholes. yeah, i guess i don't know what i'm talking about it's not like i'm working with refugees as a volunteer 😂
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Haider4448 hr ago
+2
The problem lies in generalization, it's basically "but what if you're gay in Gaza?" but in a pro-Russian coat of paint. Vatniks will use examples of Ukraine being bad to demonize the entire people and justify atrocities and invasion.
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Novemberai12 hr ago
+14
The US Navy has a similar ongoing scandal
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tvtowers12 hr ago
+18
Yep, saw that. Not to the same extent, mind you.
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Novemberai12 hr ago
-32
Oh, pardon me; I didn't realize we were comparing extents here
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tvtowers12 hr ago
+18
I'm not a trumper, and regularly refer to Putin as a syphilitic gnome, I'm just honestly pointing out a difference. The American navy guys were still getting protein, they were a little bit hungry and whined about it. The Ukrainian men were starving but didn't leave their position. That's f****** heroic.
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Novemberai12 hr ago
-39
Interesting that you consider [more suffering] = heroic
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Big-Objective-658512 hr ago
+16
Literally not what they are saying at all...
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Novemberai12 hr ago
-39
I feel like being unreasonable. It's my right
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Big-Objective-658512 hr ago
+12
Does inventing stories and arguing against them normally work out for you?
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Novemberai12 hr ago
-11
50|50
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VereksHarad12 hr ago
+5
The problem in this case is a systemic issue with a military in general. Any problems should be swept under the rug ASAP. Because that might make you look bad before a superiors. And then you and everyone will be in trouble. So no wonder that commanders hid the problem. No an excuse. Just explain that exactly went wrong in here. Demands of compliance bread this mentality into professional military in Ukraine at the very least. And probably to every military in the world.
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No-Space9379 hr ago
-2
Few analysts and channels I follow have all pointed to those pictures being circulated as bullshit.
I know Sal from "Whats Going on With Shipping" just posted an in depth video giving an overview of the logistical problems facing the US navy deployed to the Middle East, mainly dealing with fuel resupply, but he goes into the issue of the food supply as well.
Summary being fuel is by far the largest logistical constraint, and with clear supply lines from Diego Garcia, food should not be an issue. Fresh food runs out first, frozen food supplies make up the few weeks after that, and as a baseline, complaints about food preferences are common on any vessel, especially when options become more limited.
This could be real and an embarasing display for the American Navy, who prides itself on logistics. This could also very easily be AI, a repurposed image, hell, someone sending a joke to a friend in a "look how bad we have it" way, when in reality there are much better options available, or someone who just wasn't that hungry to begin with.
I know everyone loves the angle of Trump's lack of a cohesive strategy in this war fumbling everything up, but there are baseline capabilities and functions of any military that are irrelevant to the shortcomings of the political leadership.
No one does logistics like the US, I wouldn't call this a scandal, I would call this suspect at best, an outright fabrication at worst.
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Novemberai9 hr ago
+1
Duly noted
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WalkerBuldog7 hr ago
+1
>"Systematic enemy air and missile strikes on the crossings across the Oskil River have significantly complicated the logistical support of troops around the city of Kupiansk. The logistics of our troops here are provided by watercraft and heavy UAVs [unmanned aerial vehicles]," the General Staff said in a statement Friday.
It's war. It's incredibly hard to supply troops with anything when in the sky is full of drones
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Southern-Host-30427 hr ago
-3
Donate money then
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Spirited_Bend38136 hr ago
+1
Go feed them then. Go trek 20km with supplies through drone swarms, mine fields, artillery and mortars and feed them. Easier said then done.
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Evil_Potatos10 hr ago
+41
Ukrainians are fighting for their survival they really need more help.
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Vic5O110 hr ago
+19
Im going to go check other sources for this. If true, it’s dispicable. However, politico is never a reliable or trustworthy source of information and I will look at sources with better credentials.
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ZyronZA10 hr ago
+10
There can be a photo of a kitten next to a candle and politico will be like "Cat tortured by inferno triggering massive job cuts"
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medicatedadmin7 hr ago
+1
I shouldn’t have laughed at that headline, but I did.
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Themodsarecuntz7 hr ago
+1
An army fights on its stomach.
We should be supporting the heroes in Ukraine and not fighting a war no one but Bibi wanted in Iran.
Donald Trump is a make up wearing child raping coward.
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Pizza_Coffee11 hr ago
+32
How many times are you going to post this?
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xX609s-hartXx10 hr ago
-28
Until Russia wins!
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Suspicious_Place127011 hr ago
+7
Looks over the border: "the russians are all well fed"
- except for ukrainians in captivity and their food being expired 20 years ago
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BannedMuadD1b8 hr ago
+3
Forgetting to feed your own troops could be on the bingo card for military logistical screwups.
It’s one of the greatest hits alongside: wrong ammunition, summer gear in winter, spare parts for shit you don’t have, no spare parts for the shit you actually have, old ammunition, feeding the troops but not watering the troops.
It’s a giant fucked up logistical bureaucracy.
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Ancient_Mountain_6167 hr ago
+1
As Ukranians richest man splurges €471million on a penthouse.
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PracticalYellow311 hr ago
-119
The comedian Zelensky pocketing the money again?
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jack-fractal11 hr ago
+51
You literally cannot say anything that makes me think less of the man. He used to be a comedian and still manages the war better than a paranoid ex-KGB with years of political experience. Between the two, Putin is the bigger clown.
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anachronistic_circus11 hr ago
-67
> You literally cannot say anything that makes me think less of the man.
Ah blind, undying faith in a politician. Sound really similar to some red had wearing individuals
Zelensky made a lot of good decisions after the invasion during the first year, since then his track record... lets just say...less than stellar
EDIT: an average listnookor should go on actual Ukrainian speaking subs and post the quote above, see the response :)
Forgot this is the “worldnews” bubble
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TheTrollerOfTrolls10 hr ago
+17
How about you, let's just say, provide some examples instead of talking out of your ass.
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anachronistic_circus10 hr ago
-20
> How about you, let's just say, provide some examples instead of talking out of your ass.
I'll copy and paste my other comment since "worldnews" filters do not allow comment linking apparently
*As a foreigner who’s worked (and working) with various nonprofits / NGOs on Ukraine
Zelensky’s image abroad is definitely different from what Ukrainian people in general feel in Ukraine
From his accomplishments:
He definitely navigated the first year of the war brilliantly, and his way to rallly up support on the world stage has saved Ukraine from collapsing
Now the more problematic things domestically:
Corrupt friends political allies, filling the government with yes men / women who just walk the party line (though Budanov was a good decision finally…)
Completely ignoring ongoing corruption problems, completely collapsing mobilization efforts that even professional soldiers are often disgusted with conscription officers
TLDR: did great the first year or the invasion or so, then it’s a very mixed bag of some really shitty decisions*
Look up his corruption scandals, Mindich, Zukerman, his attempts to close NABU and SAP (independent anti corruption agencies,
So yeah try to get out of your information bubble I guess...
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TheTrollerOfTrolls10 hr ago
+9
He hasn't ignored the corruption issues. He called for resignations after the Enerhoatom embezzlement, purged corrupt officials from the SBU, and arrests were made after the air defense embezzlement. Just to name the high profile ones. And the restructuring of NABU and SAP were reversed.
A truly corrupt leader would have found ways to defend or protect those people while continuing to limit independence of auditors.
He still has a 60%+ approval rating in Ukraine. That's better than almost any other leader.
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anachronistic_circus9 hr ago
-12
> He hasn't ignored the corruption issues. He called for resignations after the Enerhoatom embezzlement, purged corrupt officials from the SBU
After they were exposed by NABU
> And the restructuring of NABU and SAP were reversed.
After first protests since the start of full scale invasion
> A truly corrupt leader would have found ways to defend or protect those people while continuing to limit independence of auditors.
Is that why his chief of staff Yermak held on until he became too toxic for foreign meetings? Is that why his personal friend Timur Mindich was escorted out of the country hours before NABU raided his residence?
> He still has a 60%+ approval rating in Ukraine. That's better than almost any other leader.
I'm in Ukraine often, most Ukrainians feel that "well I guess... because any political instability will only play in the hands of the Russians..." (they are right I suppose)
Again, get out of your safe space information bubble.
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vagene_697 hr ago
+1
So you say that they are ignoring corruption problems while you simultaneously point out the fact that Zelensky tried to take over NABU and SAPO for not ignoring corruption and investigating higher ups in the Ukrainian government? How do you want it?
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jack-fractal11 hr ago
+13
Because his adversary is so famous for his popular policies. No, literally, I recently saw a YouTube video titled "Top 10 Putin decisions that make you say 'that's a survivable distance to fall through a window'"
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anachronistic_circus10 hr ago
-6
> I recently saw a YouTube video ...
Yes putin is a megalomaniac, a******, murderer, invaded multiple countries, meddled in others and so on.
Doesn't mean Zelensky should get a free pass for all the shit he screwed up on.
Accountability...
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vagene_6910 hr ago
+14
No, the article explains that drone warfare have impacted logistical supply lines and made it harder to supply soldiers on the front lines -- so much so that they now have to fly in food using drones, because there is no other way of getting to the soldiers.
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tvtowers11 hr ago
+18
Run along and tend to your goats, child.
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Dalek_Chaos11 hr ago
+12
Aren't you supposed to be on the front lines dodging drones? Better get back there before your commanding officer finds out you're scrolling listnook!
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