Strait of Hormuz falls outside NATO's remit, Spain says after Trump's ultimatum

It also does not cover Hawaii.

It does cover the Canary Islands but not Ceuta and Melilla.

It covers the Canary Islands, it does not cover Ceuta or Melilla.

It does cover the Canaries, as they are islands north of the Tropic of Cancer, which is how the North Atlantic is defined by the Treaty. Melilla and Ceuta are not, as they are not islands, nor in Europe nor North America. Spain has tried to get the enclaves in Africa covered using the part of the treaty about French Algeria, but this has not convinced allies.

Just makes it sound like he’s dealing with shit to his base

The canaries are in the atlantic, north of the tropic of cancer. They are covered

Canary Islander here. The Canary Islands ARE included, so Art. 5 would get activated.

The territory covered by NATO does have a bit of leeway, as the US and a few other countries did ask for the UK to invoke Article 5 when Argentina attacked the Falkland Islands, which is south of the Tropic of Cancer.

I suspect that the response to a request from nato for us action would recieve a signed copy of "The Art of the Deal", and not much else

Yeah a lot of people think article 5 is what makes NATO work but NATO is designed to make article 5 work.

On top of that the nation that is attacked must be the one that invokes Article 5, it is not automatically invoked like a lot of people think. Lastly during the Falkland War, the US and a few other NATO countries did implore the UK to invoke Article 5 of NATO and if they did so they would be willing to get involved. So there is a bit of leeway when it comes to what territory is covered by NATO. But interesting fact, as written, Hawaii isn't covered by NATO. But again there is some leeway to that per the Falkland War and the encouragement of the US and a few other NATO countries imploring the UK to invoke Article 5.

Thank you! I read it and it's pretty short (if nato.int is to be believed. I don't know how to verify if this is the official source and would love some guidance, yes I could Google myself, but I don't have more energy to spend on this than I already have. Life is hard.) Here is the full article 5 ([source](https://www.nato.int/en/what-we-do/introduction-to-nato/collective-defence-and-article-5)) “The Parties agree that an armed attack against one or more of them in Europe or North America shall be considered an attack against them all and consequently they agree that, if such an armed attack occurs, each of them, in exercise of the right of individual or collective self-defence recognized by Article 51 of the Charter of the United Nations, will assist the Party or Parties so attacked by taking forthwith, individually and in concert with the other Parties, such action as it deems necessary, including the use of armed force, to restore and maintain the security of the North Atlantic area. Any such armed attack and all measures taken as a result thereof shall immediately be reported to the Security Council. Such measures shall be terminated when the Security Council has taken the measures necessary to restore and maintain international peace and security.”

So thoughts and prayers would count as "such action as deemed necessary"?

Daily reminder that Article 5 has only ever been been triggered was for the défense of America. Just one time. For the benefit of the USA. Maybe he should be a little more grateful...

The US was never militarily involved in French Indochina. We financed the majority of the costs and provided a lot of equipment because it was in our geopolitical interests to prevent a communist takeover, but aside from sending some advisors never took an active role there. We only became directky involved after France surrendered control and Vietnam became independent.

not my cylinder, not my tube

"El que tenga puercos, que los amarre."

not my body of water Not my fishes?

Like a dimestore cowboy

Hands on the headboard chief.

The Straight of Hormuz Institute of Trim Sailings

Oh, PEDO. I heard they’re doing great things, bigly.

Fully Integrated Security Technetronic Officer

Domo arigato, fisto roboto

No that's Kermit, you're thinking of someone who lives alone and doesn't socialize with others

That's just his thousand yard stare.... At a child.

If he could read a map he'd be so upset right now.

I just assume that he thought T was for Trump, and it was his own personal army, that's the only way this makes sense

someone should ask him if he knows what nato stands for

The dumb f*** should read up on the flq crisis. And oka crisis. They may topple Ottawa in a day. Canada is ten times the size of Iran.

Just like a toddler.

Doesn’t help that the US has a President who thinks he’s better than experts. No intelligence in the world can go against a gigantic ego.

Best he can do is lower tariffs to 15%.

Pretty sure that specific deck’s card-case is more than 50% unpopulated and had been for quite some time.

It was a DoGE plan all along!